All filmmakers make pacts with the devil to ease production costs. A Bond movie, say, will show M cracking open her laptop at an angle that highlights the fluorescent apple. But no one – no one – is as conscientious about product placement as Rakesh Roshan. He may shortchange his audience with regard to plotting and pacing, most of which is shockingly lazy, but to his business partners he is the very soul of integrity. Early on in Krrish 3, we have a frame whose star isn’t Hrithik Roshan but a bottle of Bournvita – it isn’t a blur in a corner, caught in the eye of a camera moving past, but part of the very, uh, mise en scène. Hrithik, playing the childlike scientist Rohit Mehra, eyes the bottle, and then gets distracted by the effort of hatching a Big Idea, and then, as if rewarding himself for his genius, he treats himself to his favourite malted drink. The scene looks like it belongs not so much in a thrilling superhero saga as a commercial for the brain-boosting powers of Bournvita.
Alas, there is little truth in advertising – for Krrish 3 shows no signs of heightened (or indeed, any) brain activity. This is a big dumb movie without the trashy thrills that we sometimes get from big dumb movies. There’s a sweet, silly scene where Rohit Mehra asks his son Krishna (the alter ego of the superhero Krrish) to fix a punctured tyre, and the camera stays on Rohit and Krishna’s wife (Priyanka Chopra) inside the car as it tilts up (while Krishna fixes the puncture) and then comes down. We don’t see Krishna, we don’t see the superhero stuff – just its effects on others who’ve lived around these superpowers for so long that they now take it for granted. Given Roshan Sr.’s penchant for overstatement, this is a surprisingly offhand moment. There’s another good bit when the villain (Kaal, played by Vivek Oberoi) flicks a wrist and surrounds himself with television cameras. This is exactly the sort of goofiness we come to these movies for.
But Roshan doesn’t do goofy – he wants grandeur, mythical grandeur. So when an airplane gets into trouble, a little boy inside pleads, “God, please help us” – and lo, Krishna himself appears. Only, this avatar answers to Krrish. Roshan plays up this conceit constantly. The villain, who plans to unleash a deadly virus on mankind, is torn between India and China, the two countries whose huge populations will ensure maximum havoc, and he picks India because we have… more gods. In the end, a resplendent Rohit assumes something of a vishwaroop and paraphrases the part from the Gita about the atma being eternal. Meanwhile, the city of Mumbai celebrates its Saviour by erecting a mammoth statue and singing God Allah aur bhagwan ne banaya ek insaan…
But Roshan doesn’t think these conceits through. When the virus finally strikes, a little girl dies in Krrish’s arms and others wail around him asking for help. Krrish finds out, in the most horrible manner possible, that despite his powers he isn’t God and he cannot save everyone – you’d think this somber realisation would occasion some finely wrought dialogue, but Roshan doesn’t address this at all. All the lines are flat, expository. The characters speak as if making presentations to especially stupid people, and the situations they find themselves in aren’t much better. We get a mutant with a tongue that flicks out like a whip, and he’s born in a supposedly dread-evoking scene where he’s coated in green jelly – and then Roshan stages a sequence where Tongue Man uses his special appendage to lick the ice cream off the cones in the hands of a number of people. How, after this, can we take this creature seriously?
How, for that matter can we take Krrish seriously? His shiny hair waves as if in a shampoo commercial, and the costume – a cross between a trench coat and an Anarkali suit – leaves us wondering what he’s going to do next, flash women in the subway or break into a kathak recital. And those creepy-looking muscles in his [insert number here]-pack… I fear the day may not be too far when an overachieving hero shows up on screen in a hundred-pack, stripping off to reveal a torso studded with flesh-coloured chiclets. And the acting is equally fussy. Hrithik, at this stage, seems incapable of playing an emotional scene without his eyes pooling with tears, and when he clenches up and speaks, a hole appears at the base of his throat that a curious kid may want to stick his finger into. Why all this huffing and puffing in a movie targeted at children?
The simplest dialogue, thus, comes off sounding like a florid aria. In an early scene (involving a Flair pen-cum prism), Rohit tells Krishna that his experiment needs the sun. It’s night, so they wait – and then, when the sun comes up, Krishna looks at the sky and says “Papa… suraj” with such tremulous awe that you think he was some kind of cave creature who has set eyes, for the first time, on this fiery orb in the heavens. There’s a halfway decent idea involving a mutant played by Kangna Ranaut (the only one who delivers something of a performance), but instead of going somewhere really interesting with this, we get a drag of a duet shot in a leftover locale from Kites. The villain’s identity, too, is a nice touch, but by then we have been sitting through a narrative that’s so drawn-out, so leaden and so derivative (the X-Men characters have been borrowed wholesale) that it’s too little, too late. Besides, who’s going to sit seriously through a climactic showdown where superhero and supervillain clash in front of a Bollywood Hungama banner?
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Anurag
November 2, 2013
excellent write-up.
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Srini R
November 2, 2013
Wonderful title. Haven seen the movie but this review confirms what I was fearing, can they make a good fun movie with all the money that they spent?
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Rajeev
November 2, 2013
I so wish that someone would make a superhero film structured around our dysfunctional society , without getting all preachy .
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MANK
November 2, 2013
Had great fun reading the article. Wish watching the movie was even 10% of the fun as reading this one. Rakesh roshan should contact BR to write Krrish4.
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vikram
November 2, 2013
My kid has made plans to see this film… and I quiver in my boots after reading your review BR
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chhote saab
November 2, 2013
‘All filmmakers make pacts with the devil to ease production costs. A Bond movie, say, will show M cracking open her laptop at an angle that highlights the fluorescent apple. But no one – no one – is as conscientious about product placement as Rakesh Roshan. ‘
I thought Shubhash Ghai in Yaadein was the ultimate in product placement. If this is worse than that, then that takes some doing !
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KayKay
November 2, 2013
My commiserations for having to sit through this tripe. And thanks for providing us with one of your most entertaining reviews in awhile
“and then Roshan stages a sequence where Tongue Man uses his special appendage to lick the ice cream off the cones in the hands of a number of people. How, after this, can we take this creature seriously?”
Imagine a director who didn’t take himself so seriously, who, directly after the scene above, would have the camera pan to a girl gazing longingly at Tongue -Man , no doubt imagining other far more creative uses for that appendage…..
For an antidote, check out Thor: Dark World to see how to do these things right. Epic yet personal, dramatic yet possessed of a self-effacing humour that’ll have you chuckling like a schoolboy. Plus, Chris Hemsworth has better hair 🙂
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cnitinb
November 2, 2013
Mr.Rangan is one the very few critics who seem to give honest reviews. From now on this is my ONLY place to read film reviews. Thank you sir.
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Bala
November 2, 2013
Well, I’m thankful to Krrish since it did at least inspire some of your long missing snarkiness 😀
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Anand
November 3, 2013
The kind of review this movie deserves. I absolutely enjoy your not-so-correct alter ego. Here is my review where I have shared most of your frustrations; albeit not as objectively.
http://www.madaboutmoviez.com/2013/11/krrish-3-review-crash-molecular-biology/
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Arun
November 3, 2013
You have exceeded yourself. Tried to pick a favourite line, then two, then three, then gave up altogether. Tremendously entertaining and witty.
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Madan
November 3, 2013
“and then, when the sun comes up, Krishna looks at the sky and says “Papa… suraj” with such tremulous awe that you think he was some kind of cave creature who has set eyes, for the first time, on this fiery orb in the heavens.”
– Ha ha ha ha!!! Beautiful writing. Is it the pent up irritation over having endured a boring film that makes you come up with such lines? I am talking generally, not this film, which I haven’t watched and most definitely won’t, having committed the mistake once with Krrish!
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Vishak Bharadwaj
November 3, 2013
Bollywood Hungama huh? I guess we can expect a 4.5-5 star review from Taran Adarsh.
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Raj Balakrishnan
November 3, 2013
That was very entertaining. One of your most sarcastic pieces.
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Abhirup.
November 3, 2013
Aptly sarcastic take on the film. I thought they were going to make something interesting of Krishna’s unemployment: I mean, it’s interesting, isn’t it, that the man who, in a mask, is an adored superhero is, when out of it, a down-on-his-luck youth who is castigated as a good-for-nothing by his bosses, who has rescue others from danger at the cost of his own jobs? Nothing, though, is made of this. Did this disappoint you as well?
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Abhirup.
November 3, 2013
*has to rescue others.
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Zico Ghosh
November 3, 2013
Rohit’s mind numbingly dumb science was almost like seeing Rakesh Roshan put together the film, with Krrish being the obedient, over-earnest son who just follows his father’s instructions to achieve his ‘vision’. There is more personality in Rohit’s character(he was lovable Koi Mil Gaya, and had my sympathies in the first Krrish,), than in Krrish’s, but this was an overdose of all of that. There was an honesty in Koi Mil Gaya, that still makes it work, despite all the amateurish, juvenile Hindi film science, which was missing here; “soul of integrity” sold to the advertisers, as you pointed out. I am Hrithik fan, and it makes me sad to see him doing one bad film after the other; whereas I genuinely feel he can do wonders on screen if he lets go himself and chooses to work with better, smarter, directors.
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Krish
November 3, 2013
Brilliant. It took a movie like krrish 3 to bring back you to your humorous best.
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Dinesh Aditya
November 3, 2013
“…and the costume – a cross between a trench coat and an Anarkali suit – leaves us wondering what he’s going to do next, flash women in the subway or break into a kathak recital…” = HIlarious!
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Sarath
November 3, 2013
Super Dooper article BW anna, Thoroughly enjoyed it..
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Utkal Mohanty
November 4, 2013
Just back from ‘Krrish 3’, and disappointed is not the word. In fact writing this is an ordeal. I don’t know why I am even bothering. I mean it is so bad that I don’t even need to warn my friends not to see it. They would have heard about it from someone or the other.
I guess now that I am in front of the computer Let me vent it out. Just one confession though. I cannot say I have watched the film. Almost after the first ten minutes or so I gave up on it. I could not walk out because my wife would not approve, after paying Rs.350 a ticket. So I surfed the Net, went through all the pieces in NDTV, IBNLive, Hindustan Times, Guardian, New York times, The Atlantic. Checked my Facebook messages and my SMS Inbox, which was full of standard Diwali wishes. Even then the film won’t end.
So what was so bad about it? Well, everything. The story, or the narrative to start with. It is all over the place. There is no build up. No turning point. No revelations. Nothing. Then the manner of storytelling. It is so boring. No sincerity. No quirkiness. No style. No humour. ( Sample this dialogue from Rajpal Yadav: Tumhara chehra football se tennis ball kyon ho gaya?) The supeherogiri does not thrill at all, because there is no contrast with everyday mundaneness. The introduction of Krishna the ‘ husband’ is with a bare abdomen with rippling ten packs. It is so off-putting. In fact in the song with Kaya, it is Krishna who looks the mutant. Films like Spiderman work because of the supernormal nature of characters like Peter Parker. Here Hrtik as a ‘ husband’ looks like a mutant film star already.Present day Bollywood does not know how to young wives or mothers. Kareena aroused no empathy in Ra One, Priyanka is even worse.
Then there the songs. Everyone knows they are bad. But just think of the total pointlessness of them and how badly they have been used! The Raghupati Rghava Raja Ram song comes when Priynak has informed Hritik that they are going to have a baby. And what does Hritik sing: aaj ki raat, all night party..or something to that effect. No mention of how is world has become filled with joy and how blessed he feels. Same with the God Allah Bhagwan song. What was the point of it? The multiple religious beliefs were not in the picture at all! Then the Kangana song. Since there was no possibility of any romantic entanglement between the two, there was no tension of any kind.
Take the performances next. I have put down Abhishek Bachchan in the past for how he has detracted from films like Raavan or Delhi 6 with his lackluster performances. But Hritik does even worse here..he manages to irritate you and to grate on your nerves. If the squeaky Rohit was not enough, even the Krishna character starts competing with him in behaving like an autistic cretin…all flaring nostrils, eyes widened , voice trembling. I seriously doubt whether Hritik can ever play a normal human being on screen.
Then there are the special effects. Okay,they are not bad. But saying we can do VFX today is like saying we can shoot a film. You give the assignment to a VFX lab, they can churn them out. That does not make a film or you won’t need a Spielberg, a Cameron or a Cuaron. Truth be told this is one of the most shabbily directed films I have seen in recent times. Yes, worse than Ra One. And it is among the ugliest films you can lay your eyes on. The shot taking is so mindless and aesthetically challenged, if it was not for the distraction of my cell phone I surely would have got a headache.
As far as action goes, that too was as mind-numbing as the rest of the film. There was no sense of choreographed beauty or gritty realism to salvage them.
Here I must confess I had quite enjoyed both Koi Mil Gaya and Krrish. Not the greatest of films or something I would seek out on video to watch again. But I was okay with them when I saw them on release. But this one as I said was simply intolerable. And if I did not have the mobile with me, I would have at least have walked out to the foyer and had a coffee or two till the film was over.
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Zico Ghosh
November 4, 2013
lets go of himself***
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KayKay
November 4, 2013
“Bollywood Hungama huh? I guess we can expect a 4.5-5 star review from Taran Adarsh”
Done!
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/moviemicro/criticreview/id/525408“
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KayKay
November 4, 2013
I’m trying to decide who gets the funnier comment.
You with the “His shiny hair waves as if in a shampoo commercial, and the costume – a cross between a trench coat and an Anarkali suit – leaves us wondering what he’s going to do next, flash women in the subway or break into a kathak recital”
OR
Taran Adarsh with “The franchise seems inconceivable without Hrithik as he exhibits his range as a performer”
Sorry B, he wins. I chuckled at yours, but simply can’t stop laughing at his 🙂
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brangan
November 4, 2013
KayKay: No, the same scene could have worked if the ice cream thing was done just once. Tongue Man wreaks havoc, and caps off the mayhem by stealing ice cream from a kid. Or some such thing. It’s a capper, a grisly grace note, a funny way to end a scene. But this just goes on and on. I mean the cluelessness in the filmmaking here is appalling.
cnitinb: Thank you, but please do not end up trusting any one reviewer when it comes to making movie-watching decisions. It never works 🙂
Madan: Actually, I don’t really like to get all snarky about a film. Take “Boss.” That was a fairly serious review, in the sense that I took the film seriously and went about pointing out pluses and minuses, the way I do. The idea is to see what a film tries to be and to see if it does that well. So even if it is a “silly film” like “Boss,” the idea is to see if it does the job of being a “silly film” well enough.
But here, what “Krrish 3” wants to be and what it ends up being are north pole, south pole. And when a film has everything at its disposal — untold crores of a budget, a huge star — and the writing is so wretched and so derivative, it really makes you angry.
Oh, I also get really angry when faced with films like “Thanga Meenkal.” That’s another kind of film that touches a nerve 🙂
Abhirup: Yes, it was irritating to see those scenes where he changes jobs. If you start showing something, then finish it. There was no finish to this thread at all. It looked like some random bit inserted.
Zico Ghosh: I don’t know about Hrithik anymore. He used to be a lighter performer (the earlier portions of “Lakshya”), but now, he acts at a very high pitch. That’s okay in, say, a Bhansali film, which is made deliberately in a high pitch, so he blends in with the director’s vision and sensibilities. But otherwise he sticks out badly.
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Madan
November 4, 2013
I don’t know about Hrithik anymore. He used to be a lighter performer (the earlier portions of “Lakshya”), but now, he acts at a very high pitch
– Ditto. After watching the Agneepath remake, I stopped buying the “Hrithik is unlucky” argument (which I too, like Zico, used to believe in). Eh, more like inept and clueless. The worst was to later hear that he had done the role better than Amitabh Bachchan! 😛
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MANK
November 4, 2013
BR wrote:The writing is so wretched and so derivative, it really makes you angry.
Well you see 5 writers are credited for writing this one. Rakesh roshan himself said that he shelved this film 3 times because he could not get the script right.He decided to proceed only after they put extra efforts and got the script right.So one cant accuse him of being lazy as far as plotting of the picture is concerned Then still how does the screenplay turn out to be so wretched and appear so lazy. Do you think that directors after working for almost 25 years lose their sense of judgement and the script sense ?. This seems to be a problem with directors like Subhash Ghai and Mani ratnam also in recent times. No one can accuse them of being lazy or passionless when it comes to their film making, But their movies comes across like that.Or is it because Krrish belongs to that genre of movies that however one tries , it would always look clumsy and derivative.
Madan:The worst was to later hear that he had done the role better than Amitabh Bachchan
Did any of the critics say that. I mean Hrithik was praised for his performance but i don’t think anybody said that it was better than Bachchan’s. Bachchan’s original performance was iconic but if you watch it closely you find that it is really copied from Pacino’s performance in Scarface.
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Santa
November 4, 2013
Expanding on your intitial thoughts, I find product placement in big-banner Bollywood films to be especially egregious. Reading about the Bournvita scene, I immediately remembered the Nokia Lumia 920 scene in Chennai Express. I recall thinking at that moment that if someone saw just those 30 seconds in CE, without knowing a priori that he/she was watching that film, that person would have thought that this was simply SRK appearing in yet another commercial. It’s one thing to have the product as the centerpiece of the scene; it’s quite another to have the price of the damn thing mentioned 3-4 times during the scene (as I recall SRK doing).
On a different note, I found it quite interesting that most people who commented on this writeup (self included) seem to have made up their mind, before even reading your review, that they will not be watching the movie. And it seems that your review did nothing to change that 🙂
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Madan
November 4, 2013
MANK: I don’t remember Scarface that well (was strangely not drawn into it when it was once playing on TV and didn’t try later) so I can’t comment. I say strange because I do love AP’s acting generally, I could even tolerate the rather half hearted Righteous Kill.
But as for Hrithik, maybe some critics did but what struck me was a lot of internet comments making that observation, including some net friends who HAVE in fact watched a lot of AB’s classic films. And I had not watched the original Agneepath before watching Hrithik’s so it’s not like I was personally too affected by comparisons. These friends/commenters said AB hammed too much unlike Hrithik. Errmmm…I grant that AB was a bit tired in Agneepath vis a vis Deewar or Trishul but he was at least believable as a don. I could not find anything tapori about Hrithik from any angle, it was the most unconvincing performance in a premise that was fertile.
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Zico Ghosh
November 4, 2013
@Madan: I don’t think Hrithik’s character was supposed to have tapori shades in Agneepath. Those Bambaiyya don traits were only limited to his chawl background or participating in Ganpati. He was more like a sensitive, ‘soft’, metro sexual male hero who doesn’t mind hiding his tears in front of his mother/lover — starkly different from AB’s brooding persona in the original. I found him good in that because I thought he played the range–that was circumscribed for him–pretty well.
And I have always thought his problems start when he starts talking.The dialogue delivery is laboured, which may have to do with his stammering problems, and seem mechanical. I find him very good in his silent scenes, really liked him in those ‘light’, romantic moments in Jodhaa Akbar.
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MANK
November 4, 2013
Madan: if you have not watched AP in scarface, you haven’t lived man. It is one of the greatest acting performances and one of the most divisive performances by any actor in history of cinema.The same critics who called it his worst performance at the time of release in 83 now call it his greatest performance.Its equally over the top,bizarre,hammy.brilliant and genius.Get it on Bluray quick
I could not find anything tapori about Hrithik from any angle, it was the most unconvincing performance in a premise that was fertile.
Agree with you 100% on this. Really there are only a few actors today who can convincingly look like a Don and AB definitely did.AB ‘s performance was hammy but he definitely nailed what we could call the ‘NEERAS BHAV’ that down and dirty antagonistic behavior which was critical for that character which totally escapes the metro sexual Hrithik.He is much more effective in something like Dhoom2.
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Jerina J
November 4, 2013
Superb review! I wasn’t planning to watch the movie anyway, and this post strengthens my resolve.
Every time a sci-fi movie or a super-hero movie bites the dust (not among the masses, I guess or such movies won’t be made), I do feel a bit sad. We have good budgets, good access to technology, but we somehow mess up with the story line and it’s treatment. This is a genre that is still to be adopted wholeheartedly by our directors. Waiting for that day, but until then shall derive pleasure from such superlative reviews.
“It’s night, so they wait – and then, when the sun comes up, Krishna looks at the sky and says “Papa… suraj” with such tremulous awe that you think he was some kind of cave creature who has set eyes, for the first time…”
or it is Hrithik giving acting classes to his contemporaries. I can so imagine his eyes going all wide behind his glasses and his goofy smile taking over his entire face at the end of the scene. I remember a friend remarking on seeing the trio – Farhan Akthar, Hrithik and Abay Deol dance to Senorita song from Zindagi Na Milegi Dobara. Her matter-of-fact tone still rings in my ear – “Amma pa…Farhan is so light on his feet, enjoying the dance, but Hrithik oru dance master mathiri panran.” So true. In recent movies of his, I feel he tries too hard to show that he is ‘acting’, that it is sometimes obscene.
Anyway, the good thing is that we get to read posts like these. :). Thank you for this entertaining post!
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Zico Ghosh
November 4, 2013
who doesn’t hide his tears i meant**
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Joe
November 4, 2013
K3 is a commendable effort by the Roshans – the best in the trilogy.
It’s primarily a kid’s film (check out the numerous scenes involving kids, and Bournvita) aiming to also cater to adult sensibilities, and one could argue there is a bit of mish-mash happening in the film. But it certainly doesn’t deserve the snobbish snarkiness exhibited here. To even compare this to Ra One is just incredulous – the latter was just an out of control superstar’s ego trip.
Hrithik is may not be the best actor (agree about his out-of-control facial expressions) however he is the best man for this job. He has established a credible Indian superhero and franchise which is no mean feat considering there is no history of one (at least a successful one) in the country. Which means he has found an audience connect at a basic level in terms of creating a demand – all of which required talent whether one can see/appreciate it or not.
Full kudos to Rakesh Roshan – the direction is so taut and kinetic, it’s unbelievable that a 64 year old has directed it.
Vivek Oberoi excels in his role. For the most part he establishes menace just with his voice, which few actors in bollywood are capable of. And when he enters the villian’s full suited avatar, he’s completely badass.
Kangana Ranaut is excellent, she appears to convey everything with minimum effort. She made her role really distinct and credible.
Priyanka Chopra plays the journalist-housewife but she is absolutely indispensable and key to the film. I loved the way she goes ‘bad’ which was a real surprise, what is even better is how she underplays it (same as KR) – the two ladies have absolutely nailed their roles.
The background score – it’s awesome. Rarely in Indian films does the BG score add real value to the film. This is one such. It worthy of a music release like the Dark Knight.
The mutants were good and distinctly characterized. Which is why even the ones who appear fleetingly for just a couple of scenes make a mark.
One thing about superhero films are – the good ones are overdramatic (think Man of Steel) and/or melodramatic (think Spiderman 2). The acting is expected to be high-pitched because the idea is to target the universal audience – 6 to 60. So this would be a conscious choice. A finer, nuanced performance will be lost on those who are not that attuned, think of the country heartlands. A one-size-fits-all performance could likewise sound loud or even excruciating depending on how delicate your tastebuds are. It is a mistake for a critic to judge a spicy vada-paav with the same palate as say, haute cuisine.
Another thing I want to address – those who feel this film is derivative must know this.. the best films in Hindi cinema are derivative. Sholay is derived from The Magnificent Seven (itself derived from the japanese Seven Samurai) and ‘Fistfull of Dollars’ (Gabbar’s character is inspired from the villian in this Sergio Leone film); Anand is derived from Akira Kurosawa’s Ikiru; and more recently Munnabhai MBBS is derived from Patch Adams and another film (forget the name)..
The problem never has been of ‘inspiration’ but about how well they were adapted/incorporated. In most instances, the derived films are trashy as the producer/director has simply popped in the DVD and attempted a scene-by-scene copy hoping to recreate it’s original success – they simply don’t get the essence of it and result is a bad film.
Scenes and sequences in a good film could evoke scenes of other films, but they still feel completely original in their new setting. An inspiration should be just that – it should fire your imagination and help you improve on the original – and in case of the great films I listed above, and for the first time in Indian sci-fi/superhero genre in Krrish 3 – RR and HR has managed to do just that.
Overall, this movie establishes Krrish as India’s bonafide superhero, a great film for kids, and the kid in you.
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Madan
November 4, 2013
He was more like a sensitive, ‘soft’, metro sexual male hero who doesn’t mind hiding his tears in front of his mother/lover
– That is an interesting comment because I do agree with that description. And where we differ is that is exactly the problem for me. I have grown up in Mumbai and had friends who lived in chawls. I still observe the way they talk and the things that interest them etc while commuting. The thing is that a young man growing up in that sort of area which is depicted in the film and especially one who has migrated from a village would not behave like a soft metrosexual. And he would most certainly not speak Hindi in such a polite and cultured tone…for that matter, even I don’t unless I am placed in formal office settings! I understand it might increase the appeal for a certain section of the audience but it is very unrealistic and incompatible with the settings he’s placed in. Maybe it is indeed the director who is at fault here because even Kancha Cheena’s role was distorted to resemble, er, some mad demon rather than the sly, sophisticated underworld baadshah in the original. But the striking absence of any change in Hrithik’s dialogue delivery style for the film made me doubt whether he would have, in any event, got the rugged and angry persona down pat. Without that anger against injustice, the very premise of Agneepath falls flat.
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Madan
November 4, 2013
MANK: Sounds appetizing. I should ‘rectify’ that soon then. 🙂
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Abhirup.
November 4, 2013
Good to see people speak of the sheer ineffectiveness of Hrithik’s performance in the ‘agneepath’ remake. Was tired of hearing that he did a “good job” there. Nope, he didn’t. He is the worst possible choice for the role of a gangster who has risen from the chawls. And his portrayal of the character was even worse than I had expected it to be.
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brangan
November 4, 2013
MANK: I seem to be in an alternate reality. Someone just spoke of Subhash Ghai and Mani Ratnam in the same sentence 🙂
Jerina J; Exactly. Look at how Shahid Kapur dances vs Hrithik. The former really enjoys himself, he’s dancing for US, for the audience. (His “Dhating naach” is one of my favourite song/dance moments of the year, the inflexible item girl notwithstanding). While Hrithik seems to dance for himself, in front of an invisible mirror, always.
Madan: I agree. Here’s what I wrote about “Agneepath” – http://tinyurl.com/6qhhf92
Has there been a gangster in Hindi cinema who has wept as much? Vijay weeps when he spies his estranged family from afar. He weeps when his sister returns to him. He weeps around his girlfriend (Priyanka Chopra). He weeps when he visits his birthplace and sets eyes on his now-dilapidated roots. After a point, you may feel like calling him aside and whispering into his ears the injunction that Aamir Khan delivered to the dithering Saif Ali Khan in Dil Chahta Hai: “Mard ban. Be a man.” It’s hard to see Hrithik as someone possessing the “jungli khayal” that his mother accuses him of. Even his posturing is filled with a delicate feminine grace, as if he were starring in a dreamy ballet. (Those long strides in slow motion. That self-aware blossom of a smile.)
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MANK
November 4, 2013
BR:you are too touchy about Mani Ratnam. You need to conduct a conversation piece with subhash ghai as well , Then you will come down to current reality (Ha Ha)
Well jokes apart, This post is turning out to be a full scale assault on Hrithik Roshan. Everything one felt was wrong about Hrithik His labored acting and dancing, dialogue delivery etc is getting full treatment from everybody.Hope Hrithik is not reading this. The poor guy just had a brain surgery.
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Vasisht Das
November 5, 2013
to paraphrase dr.rangan :
Utkal the Mooganthy is the Hrithik Roshan of reader-responders here; (“While Hrithik seems to dance for himself, in front of an invisible mirror, always.)
i doubt if Mooganthy ever actually reads the good doctor’s take on any movie before he posts his own unending lust letters to himself here. he should be charged rent for occupying more column centimeters than dr.rangan himself. at this rate, we all might as well invite the professore who shall not be named back into these parts?
illey, justtu kekkaren…
😉
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Madan
November 5, 2013
I have read it before. 🙂 In fact, that review helped me to articulate what exactly I had disliked about Hrithik’s performance.
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KayKay
November 5, 2013
“at this rate, we all might as well invite the professore who shall not be named back into these parts?”
So, Dasu, you have a lower threshold for verbose postings than condescending and occasionally tasteless ones?
Illey, Justtu Kekkaren…:-)
Utkal does tend to go on, but on the whole I find his posts well thought out, reasoned and lucid.
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Alvord12
November 5, 2013
Bravo! Excellent write up! Your whole post sums up the ridiculous mess of the train wreck that I sat through for an excruciating 2.5 hrs. ‘In your face marketing’ was quite apparent in this film especially the one where Priyanka stops right in front of a Tata Motors Showroom with a big ‘TATA Manza” written on the sides. What I can’t wrap my head around is this: This family lives in South Bombay, have their own bungalow, one of them is a scientist and the other a news anchor with Aaj Tak (more advertising) and yet drive a… Manza?!
Who the hell edited this crap? The plot had so many continuity issues that nearing the end I stopped bothering to count. The special effects were horrible to say the least and looked completely fake! The real Bombay looks nothing like the one shown in the film. The scene with the kid stuck in the wires was so darn stupid that I felt embarrassed to watch it! The end fight was a 1:1 copy from the Superman vs Zod from Man of Steel, but even that copy was not up to the mark.
I could write more, but it’s not worth wasting my energy on this sucky film. If people actually paid ₹500 per ticket to see this crap then god help us, we might actually see more of these movies being churned out from ‘Bollywood’!
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Jerina J
November 5, 2013
Oh yeah! How can one forget Shahid’s might I say, cute histrionics in this song and the excellent dancing too. One of the reasons (other being the excellent songs) why I watched the movie. A better option could have been catching the songs on TV 😦
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SR
November 5, 2013
‘…… torso studded with flesh colored chiclets’
– gobsmacked, your headspace is a wonderland 🙂
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Vishak Bharadwaj
November 5, 2013
Look at how Shahid Kapur dances vs Hrithik. The former really enjoys himself, he’s dancing for US, for the audience. (His “Dhating naach” is one of my favourite song/dance moments of the year, the inflexible item girl notwithstanding). While Hrithik seems to dance for himself, in front of an invisible mirror, always.
This is bang on BR.
I always wondered what was so off-putting about Hrithik’s dancing. He seems to self concious while SK’s dancing is so joyful. I can’t help but smile when he does that ‘Agal Bagal step’.
On a different note,I just saw a soul crushing masterpiece of a film yesterday called ‘Make Way for Tomorrow’. The Amitabh starrer ‘Baghban’ is remade from the this film by adding a typical bollywood charcter and ending. Thoughts?
You need to write on old films BR. Trust me,It’ll be worth it.
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venkatesh
November 6, 2013
Hritik is in the wrong time-period – he is not a film-star for these ironic times , he is an Opera star or an actor for silent films. Give the guy a break.
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Aurora Vampiris
November 6, 2013
While I like reading Utkal Mohanty’s comments on here, this time, I do have a bit of a complaint with regards to this particular comment.
Utkal, you surfed the net inside the cinema? Really? Thanks for that, pal. It doesn’t matter how BAD the film experience is, and I don’t care if you’re sitting on the last row… you DO NOT pull out your mobile phones in the middle of a movie-going experience. Again, if you did pull out your mobile phone outside, I apologize. But your comment seems to indicate otherwise.
Anyway, I am really disappointed with this entire Krrish fiasco. Granted, this is the only Indian superhero franchise that’s presently successful, but I have this weird feeling that Rakesh Roshan has no idea WHAT superheroes actually MEAN. Every superhero portrayed on the cinematic screen in the West – from Spider-Man, to Batman to Superman to Kick-Ass – has stood for a particular THEME… a through-line of sorts. Of course, Raimi has some wonderfully funny moments with Spider-Man’s teenage coming-of-age/wish-fulfilment themes, like when Spiderman ejaculates web-fluid all over his room and tries to hide it from Aunt May (an obvious allusion to a certain activity that teenagers often indulge in)… so you don’t have to be as po-faced as The Dark Knight to embrace a certain theme.
And that’s exactly where Krrish flounders. He’s just a guy with powers doing “cool” stuff. It’s aping what it sees as a Western trend, without realizing WHY the Western trend actually resonates with Western audiences.
Krrish was about nothing at all. And if I was being particularly harsh, so was Koi Mil Gaya. Which is not to say that films HAVE to have a thematic throughline for them to succeed as films – but generally speaking, the films that DON’T have a throughline usually fail miserably. And judging by this review, that seems to be the same problem here as well.
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MANK
November 6, 2013
@Venkatesh:he is an Opera star or an actor for silent films
Man you hit the nail on the head. Yeah with his Greek god like looks,his buff physique he could have given Valentino or douglas fairbanks a run for their money. Come to think of it , he does look a bit like Valentino and his exaggerated expressions and body movements would have been perfect for it. Rakesh Roshan should make an ‘Artist’ with Hrithik . About being an opera star, I don’t know we could survive his singing,maybe an adaptation of a Puccini opera might do even though i would like to see him as Don Giovanni .
@Aurora Vampiris:I have this weird feeling that Rakesh Roshan has no idea WHAT superheroes actually MEAN
Absolutely true. The only reason while Rakesh roshan embarked on this superhero journey is because he saw them becoming successful in the west without any idea why. The reason why the west especially America has a wealth of comic book heroes is because they do not have any Myths, Legends or Epics of their own. Our case is different , Starting with our epics Ramayana and Mahabharata, All the characters in them are superheroes in one way or the other.So if an indian filmmaker was to make a superhero movie , he would naturally would have drawn from them. Unfortunately, here it is some alien coming from outer space that is supposed to be responsible for all the superpowers of the hero which is totally a western concept,Which clearly shows that all this talk about Krrish being India’s own superhero and all that is pure muck.Compared with this , Ketan desai’s Toofan at least got that aspect right Where Amithabh’s character gets his powers from Lord Hanuman with a bow and arrow to boot.
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Sakkaravarthi Kaliannan
November 6, 2013
And Variety has a very positive view on Krrish(and their not so liking of Nolan :)) http://variety.com/2013/film/reviews/krrish-3-review-1200786415/
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Aurora Vampiris
November 6, 2013
@MANK:
Ooh, my point was not so much that Indian superheroes should be drawn from a certain idea of Indian culture, so much as it was the fact that a superhero story with no real theme or driving motive behind it just falls flat. I don’t think Hindu mythology has to influence every aspect of superhero or his/her origins – however, sure, I guess there’s something to be said for reinventing the wheel etc.
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Joe
November 6, 2013
@Aurora & @MANK: Have no idea what you are on about.. Krrish is doing fine as a superhero, it has connected with the masses. And that is the essence of a superhero film. At the end of the day, what a superhero is is a simple concept: there is trouble in the world, he resolves it. There is no intellectual debate to be had about the meaning of life here. You can have a brooding superhero like Batman or not. One thing is certain – the primary objective should be to connect with the aam junta, not just the intelligentsia. It is to cater to the junta’s wanting to be saved. The superhero is your surrogate God.
Does RR/HR manage to do it – Of Course, the box office numbers prove that. SRK’s RaOne, AbJr (another fav on here)’s Drona failed miserably simply because they failed to connect. Any amount of rationalization can spin around that. Of course the grapes are sour.
Elsewhere today there was Tigamanshu Dhulia and Saif Ali Khan moaning somewhere that superhero is a western concept. Then why are they using the medium of cinema which was invented by the Lumiere brothers – why not do a natyaras of Bullet Raja or a desi puppet show. Seriously!
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Aurora Vampiris
November 7, 2013
@Joe: I’m not saying Krrish is a BAD film at all. I have no doubt that it has enough laughs and action for kids. And again, I’m not claiming superheroes make for elevated fare. I’m just saying that Krrish feels far, FAR too empty for such a big-budget product. Which is not to say that LIGHT fare is empty – Raimi, Favreau, Branagh, Singer et al have showed us that superheroes can be FUN and also feel substantial at the same time.
Which is why it’s a bit disappointing when India’s flagship superhero has no substance to him. And Joe, EVERY film is about problem and resolution in one way or another. Krrish is LAZY at a conceptual and script level – that’s the problem here. I’m sure Hrithink visited the gym 28 hours a day for 400 days a year to prepare for this role and all that… but it’s just… utterly lazy as a film.
That’s the point I’m trying to make. That we, as an audience, deserve better than this.
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treborji
November 7, 2013
>>But no one – no one – is as conscientious about product placement as Rakesh Roshan.<<
Sorry but I beg to differ. Subash Ghai (remember him?) is a master of product placement; Think of the Coca Cola commercial smack in the middle of the Ishq Bina number in Taal. Or 30-40% of the scenes in Yaadein.
But as someone else said above….sorry you had to sit through this one.
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Abhirup.
November 7, 2013
Joe, we get it that you LOVED ‘Krrish 3’. And we are happy for you. Really, we are. But do not, please, thrust your ideas down our throat. A lot of us believe, for very good reasons, that ‘Krrish 3’ is one of the worst movies ever made. Yeah, it has succeeded at the box-office, but so what? Commercial success isn’t to be looked down upon, but nor should it be taken as a surefire evidence of quality. Besides, this one has done well largely because: (a) it was released at a time when there are no other major films playing in the theatres, and (b) it’s targeted primarily at the kids, and since kids are seldom allowed to come to the theatre alone, they are accompanied by their parents, which automatically increases the ticket sale. I assure you that ‘Krrish 3’ “failed to connect” with many people, who wouldn’t have bothered to see it in the first place if they didn’t have tiny tots in the family who constantly badgered the elders to take them to watch it.
‘Krrish 3’ has a story without any tension or thrill, characters who do not register well, performances that range from the strictly so-so to the terrible, unfunny comedy scenes, and a soundtrack that has not one tune worth remembering. There’s a lot else that’s wrong with the movie as well, but I don’t think it’s necessary to name it all. So, to repeat myself, do not foist your thoughts on us. You liked it, fine. We didn’t. Learn to live with that.
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brangan
November 7, 2013
Alvord12: And let’s not forget the staging. There’s not an iota of vision in the look of the film, in the way the frames are composed… It looks cheap and horrible. I mean, Rakesh Roshan was making better films in his “Khudgarz” and “Kishan Kanhaiya” phase.
Aurora Vampiris: Ooh, my point was not so much that Indian superheroes should be drawn from a certain idea of Indian culture…
This is already there, no? We have had “super” heroes on screen for the longest time — just that they didn’t need a cape. Our masala movie template is essentially myth-based and hero-villain conflicts are essentially deva-asura wars. And when you have one man routing many thugs single-handedly, he *is *some kind of superhero.
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MANK
November 7, 2013
@Abhirup: Man you stole the words right out of my keyboard. The points that you made were exactly the ones that i wanted to make. It is no big deal to make a box office hit film, Grand masti showed that you could make a big hit with crass erection jokes. Apart from the points you made, Krrish has 10 holidays all for itself and also was a hritik roshan film after almost 2years.The fact that Everybody watched it doesn’t mean everybody liked it. Like George lucas admitted to that much when the last Indiana jones film was released, It grossed almost 1 Bn$ but he received more negative comments on that picture that any of his movies may be apart from Phantom menace which was also a billion $ grosser.This the magic of the new wide release system.Filmmakers pockets all the money before the word gets out.
@BR:It looks cheap and horrible. I mean, Rakesh Roshan was making better films in his “Khudgarz” and “Kishan Kanhaiya” phase.
Damn right. Not just that even his flop films during the time like Khel or Kaala bazaar were not lazy productions but were really executed with grandeur and conviction. Man this one does look cheap and horrible. The sad thing is that the Roshans have been gloating how the film is totally indigenous production and this will attract more foreign productions to india for doing V\X. God hope none of those foreign producers are watching this drivel.
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venkatesh
November 7, 2013
@MANK : Hey, whats wrong with crass erection jokes man – i am all for them
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MANK
November 7, 2013
@Venkatesh: Nothing wrong with that man, I was only saying that that’s all it takes these days . I am all for it too just cant take it while watching with GF that’s all.Oho so you are one of the guys who made grand masti such a grand success, More strength to you man
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Joe
November 7, 2013
@Aurora: if you think Singer is a decent filmmaker, then we don’t have much to discuss as in my books been following his works since Usual Suspects, he is probably the most boring and over-rated filmmaker in all of filmdom (not just Hollywood). Am I exaggerating? Try sitting through ‘Superman returns’ without dozing off. That’s what he managed to do with possibly the most popular character in the superhero lineup. RR may be crude and not as polished – but he is way way better than Singer. Have you tried tea at the Taj, guess you’ll love it. I thought it was just brown coloured hot water. And if you think it is just my opinion, my lady friend almost spat it out too. I love the ‘cutting’ they sell outside the train stations. I like masala tea too occasionally. Now Singer for me is that ‘tea’ they dish at Taj – posh, highly rated, but feeble, ineffectual. RR is the ‘cutting’ you get outside Dadar – the stained cup and flies don’t matter, it gives the kick.
@Abhirup: You are the easily offended type eh? I did not force anything down anyone. If you insist on taking stuff in your mouth don’t blame me. I was merely defending the film from all the snobbery here. And in full disclosure, I am not even claiming that it’s a great film. It’s a perfectly serviceable, entertaining film in the same league as Chennai Express. Just leave your prejudices outside the cinema door to fully appreciate. Krrish 3 is quite a decent film if you manage to do that. And if there is any truth to your lamentations about Krrish, to go back to my earlier point it would not have connected with the masses. They don’t intellectualize like you but they instinctively need those same motivations – good story, plotting, character development, arc, conflict, resolution etc – without which they will simply wander out and mumble ‘teek tha’ and then the film tanks, think Drona. Good VFX means little to these punters. The fact Krrish 3 is doing this well, means it has ticked a lot of those boxes for the majority of the public (maybe not for you or me but then know that). 3 Idiots, CE clicked for those same reasons – only there was no such snobbery out there pulling them down. JTHJ released last Diwali – it didn’t do half the business. It was a bad film and was rejected by the audience after the initial excitement. So there goes your Diwali period excuse. Don’t think yourself above the audience. Haven’t seen Grand Masti, so can’t really comment except I have always felt the requirements for a comedy film were different. At a basic level, if you keep the audience in splits, thats a successful(good) comedy film for you – a great comedy film, think Chaplins Kid or Modern Times, can have pathos and possible a storyline too – but don’t think Grand Masti aims to do that. But if it has worked, it can’t be complete trash like you say. Know that it is a limitation of your palate and not the audience’s taste – you need to address that by broadening your tastes – try some vada paav occasionally.
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An Jo
November 7, 2013
The K franchise is a fine example of mediocrity. That is the bar. And I am saying this AFTER seeing all the 3 (unfortunately, I saw the third one too..thank God I didn’t pay for it.)
And no, I am LEAST worried about K3 making bucket-loads of money. That was a foregone conclusion anyway unless it was scripted by Apoorva Lakhia after downing 12 Heinekens. It might be raking in the moolah but money doesn’t make an inferior product a superior one unlike in some people’s wonderful thinking.
The dishonesty and dis-ingenuity of the Roshans and this ‘nexus’ of the trade/press (the way the Nahatas and UnAdarshes are going orgasmic (it seems as though HR has acted in a Jahnu Barua film and managed to rake in 100 crore!!) in covering up this muck with the comforter of box-office success. At one point in time, Govinda and Karishma’s SARKAILO KHATIYA was a big hit which spawned many vulgar movies with even more vulgar-lyrics. Does the box-office success sanitize the fact that the movies are vulgar? So if we HAD to respect the paying public, we should churn out more vulgarity right?
If we go by the theory that ‘paying public’ is the king that silences all and should silence all, then we should expect to get mediocre, dishonest products like this K franchise. Right from KMG, 85% of the storyline, the props, the characters are lifted and then when you come up with marketing blackmail like ‘made in India’ and such stuff, what do you expect? What is so ‘native’ about an alien coming from another planet and giving special powers to an ‘autistic’ guy? By merely putting in some Sanskrit words, you want to sell it to people as an ‘Indian’ product when the entire soul of the movie is seeped in western ethos?
I am being harsh on them because I am at the opposite end of the spectrum. And also because that is what the Roshans told me. It was they who said ‘We will turn heads in the west.’ Most of the audience find this film is on par or even better with super-hero films from Hollywood (http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/movies/features/type/view/id/5715). But this is an extremely poor film that is tacky, lifted, and badly acted except to an extent Kangana.
It is of course not fair to decry the Roshans for their ambition. To be clear, I am not saying that one should ‘resign’ oneself to what is available in India and not attempt anything. But to dishonestly try and turn around your inferior, plagiarized stuff into superior one just because the press is in bed with you, is not done. Roshans’ had a chance but what pathetic imitators they have become!
And the great method actor Hrithik Roshan needs to stop getting orgasms and quivering his jowls every time the director screams, ‘Hrithik, Intensity!!!?’. Yes Papa, says junior. The last time Hrithik Roshan played a role and didn’t act was when he played his vain, pseudo-philosopher alter-ego in ‘Luck By Chance.’
The only good thing out of this whole mis-enterprise is that Papa Roshan can finally buy some groceries..
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Madan
November 8, 2013
I am being harsh on them because I am at the opposite end of the spectrum. And also because that is what the Roshans told me. It was they who said ‘We will turn heads in the west.’ Most of the audience find this film is on par or even better with super-hero films from Hollywood – Yeah, this is my grouse too. I mean, I have not watched the film but I did watch Krissh of which similar claims were made and it was very boring. If they want to appeal to LCD, they should at least be upfront about it. Rohit Shetty doesn’t claim to make films on par with Hollywood, he is clear he wants to make mass market films and has a good commercial track record in doing that. Surely, RR and HR can stick to that, if that’s what they are doing, instead of making pretentious claims.
With that said, I find superhero films coming out of Hollywood increasingly boring and formulaic too. There has to be the ages-old conflict of good and evil and the emotions that go with it at the heart of the story, just the technological trappings are not enough. Heath Ledger was the last actor to bring back that sense of conflict with a raw and uncanny performance. It may be a harsh thing to say, but I think the contemporary bunch of actors don’t think too highly of such films and just do a professional job that’s beyond reproach without going full throttle. They are mostly just waiting for dream roles in arty films to prove their mettle and couldn’t waste their time trying to elevate superhero or action films above the mediocre norm.
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MANK
November 8, 2013
An Jo,Madan: Exactly exactly. Just compare this film with Endiran that was released 3 years ago. I don’t think Rajnikanth or shanker made claims about taking over the west with their film or whether it is technically on par or better than hollywood films and all that. The truth is that rajni or shanker hardly even promote their films or hype them to the skies like others do(Apart from the usual brouhaha that Rajni films generate) . But Endiran was at least a much more grander looking more technically polished and sophisticated than this one. The climactic scenes were really very well done and undoubtedly the best in V\X that has been done in our country.So for a film that is made 3 years after that , you would expect it to be better than this , but what the hell is this?compared with this Endiran is Avatar.
One may have differing opinions about Shanker as a filmmaker, But he is undoubtedly the most technically accomplished filmmaker in the country and deliver well on that scale without the big talk and braggadocio that seems to be the only virtue of his bollywood counterparts.
@jo: i agree with your assessment of superman returns .It was a totally self important bore of a film from Singer. But i don’t completely agree with your assessment of Singer. Usual suspects was a good film. The first 2 XMEN films were well made and entertaining as well. I think he got carried away after that.Superman Returns was too much ambitious for his skills and he failed to pull it off.
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Abhirup.
November 8, 2013
Joe, I am not “offended” in the least; I am only amused–or rather, bemused–by your foaming-at-the-mouth defense of a steaming pile of crap like ‘Krrish 3’. Disliking this movie isn’t snobbery or prejudice, it’s simply a sign that one has the ability to recognize drivel as drivel. Your constant claim that it has “connected with the masses” has no basis in reality: if it had, then we wouldn’t be reading so many negative comments about it. A lot of people have seen it, true. And to see it, they had to buy the tickets, which automatically makes ‘Krrish 3’ a box-office success. But less than half of those who saw it had anything good to say about it. While walking out, many of them were indeed, as you put it, mumbling, and the mumbling was along the lines of “ghatiya tha” and “bore ho gaya yaar.” Also, I haven’t put forward any “Diwali period excuse.” All I said was that ‘Krrish 3’ owes its success largely to the fact that there are no other major releases in the theatres at the moment, and to the fact that the kids, who are the target audience for this, have to be accompanied by the elders in the family when they go to watch it, and this plays a role in increasing the number of tickets sold. Indeed, most of the adults in the theatre I watched it were busy fiddling with their cell phones or going out to buy food and stuff. So, no, contrary to the illusions you nurture, this movie hasn’t “connected” with that many people. Your equating of its commercial success with its quality remains unconvincing in the extreme.
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Abhirup.
November 8, 2013
PS.- I love vada paav, by the way. ‘Krrish 3’ is no vada paav, however. Three-day old noodle that’s too limp and rancid to be chewed would be a more accurate description if we are to use food analogies.
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Madan
November 8, 2013
By the way, as for their claim to mass appeal, I remember I watched Krrish in my last year of college with classmates. My classmates are regular guys who watch Priyadarshan comedies or even Akshay Kumar’s extension of that genre. They are not hard to please types. And yet, they came away from Krrish saying, “kya faaltu bacchon ka picture hai re”. I don’t remember any buzz among my adult acquaintances at that time for that film nor do I hear any now. Only those with kids have to go watch it. I am sure there must be people Joe knows who are interested in the film so I am not discounting that but among the movie watchers I know, it’s regarded as a kid’s film. The timing has also been perfect for a kid’s film and it will cash in on the long Diwali vacation.
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Rajeev
November 10, 2013
He…hee…he he heee alert alert Solomon Baappiah coming with judgement… Abhirup, Madan, MANK and coterie…..And An Jo……
” So, to repeat yourselves, do not foist your thoughts on others who liked. You DIDN’T like it, fine ( try writing to Roshans to get your money back). One or two others ( including Joe) here liked it. Learn to live with that.”
Don’t pounce on little Joe…. where was all this venom from all the Einsteins when CE was over rated by many and turned out to be another blockbuster making a mockery of intelligents here…..and what food anology ( intentionally misspelt) you give to CE ….rancid biriyani……. and this anguish is compounded because Roshans advertised that they were going to make it better than hollywood… marketing pa…marketing….just like what SRK tried doing by licking Rajini’s lungi Thalaiva….unnecessary…but it worked…
btw…two things.sorry three .
” most of the adults in the theatre I watched it were busy fiddling with their cell phones or going out to buy food and stuff”.
.Next time when you go to theatre
1. Go with an intention to watch and come back and praise or puke your comments here instead of watching what the adults are doing during movie time unless you are paid to do that or
2. Go to thetare where adults are not doing that or
3. Make sure what the kids are doing also …you may be more amused…
Sorry but BR…
“I mean, Rakesh Roshan was making better films in his “Khudgarz” and “Kishan Kanhaiya” phase”.
of all “Kishen Kanhaiya”…endha saare….that’s another atrocious movie…and Rakesh Roshan was better…Oh my Lord…..
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Madan
November 10, 2013
just like what SRK tried doing by licking Rajini’s lungi Thalaiva – Fair enough, guilty as charged. I didn’t find any need to react, personally, because I couldn’t care less about the Rajni franchise either. There, I said it. Another thing is SRK was only trying to reach out, purportedly, to South audience. I don’t know how he proposed to achieve that by sounding, possibly, condescending? Whereas RR expressly referred to Hollywood as a ‘standard’, a benchmark so he was clearly trying to talk up his film. But if you wish, next time I will try to say something nasty about the next big Bolly entertainer where the maker thinks too much of his product….that way, nobody need feel left out. 😀
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MANK
November 10, 2013
@Rajeev:of all “Kishen Kanhaiya”…endha saare….that’s another atrocious movie…and Rakesh Roshan was better…Oh my Lord…..
What are you talking man. BR was saying that in comparison with this film. Start with Rajesh Roshan’s music IN KK Which was many times better than this one.The plot of KK was old as the hills and done many time in india starting with Ram aur shyam. But RR really executed it with great conviction and it was so much fun . you could feel the stamp of the director all throughout that movie. Unlike k3 where he remains mostly absent.So were the actors and performances.There RR was not depending on the special effects (of which we have talked enough) or Hrithik’s physique as the center piece of the movie but good old storytelling . Heavens, you dont mean that K3 is better than KK.
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Abhirup.
November 10, 2013
Rajeev: ‘Chennai Express’ didn’t pretend to be anything more than a silly action-comedy, so, while I didn’t think much of it, I felt no compulsion to rip it apart either. Whereas with ‘Krrish 3’, there was a constant pre-publicity buzz on how it will give Hollywood a run for its money, which is why the terribleness of ‘Krrish 3′ is way more unbearable.
As for what I wrote about adults’ behaviour in the theatre, congratulations on completely missing the point. What is was saying is that the adults were far from engrossed by what was happening on the screen during ‘Krrish 3’, and this shows that Joe’s constant claim that the movie has “connected” with the audience is baseless. I hope I have been able to put it clearly enough for your feeble brain to comprehend this time.
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MANK
November 10, 2013
Roshans advertised that they were going to make it better than hollywood… marketing pa…marketing
And to add to that i would say that if it is marketing , they would have shut up once the movie is released. But in fact till this week they were going on with same mantra. In interviews to celebrate the historic success(!) of their movie the roshans have been going on about how we have taught a lesson to hollywood, how we can do it and we can doit better than them. and plans to make krrish456… ,God help us.
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Abhirup.
November 10, 2013
*What I was saying
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D
November 12, 2013
I actually liked the ice-cream licking bit, because it got overdone, of course. I felt it kind of humanized the most yuck-worthy of the villains – a lab-produced mutant who discovers the delights of ice cream. But then, his ice cream stealing leads to his first confrontation with Krrish? Bit much.
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Nirbhay Bhogal
November 14, 2013
Krrish 3 did allow me time to wonder whether lip synced playback dance sequences of Bollywood/Kollywood/Tollywood are improvable if screenplays, lyrics, music direction, choreography, camera angles + movements & editing were to accord every extra individual and/or couple some moment/s of uniqueness rivaling the leads. I write this because Krrish 3 doesn’t care about even attempting any such filmy experiment/s, which could dismantle many hierarchies in the film industry. My theorizing arises, of course, from attendance at a Bollywood potboiler after quite some time now.
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Anuj
November 17, 2013
@Abhirup,MANK & what not : For all u chaps ranting that K3 has been disliked by the majority:
1.Had it been disliked it would not have “trended” as well as it has and performed well in its second week too! It would have crashed from the first weekend itself aka Ra.1,Tees Maar Khan,Besharam etc.
2.Random comments by a bunch of haters on pseudo intellectual article does not make a film a disliked one. Its the paying public which decides and no doubt the masses have given it a Thumbs Up since the film ran to packed houses even in its second week. Wake up and smell the coffee u pseudo intellectual,pizza munching urban middle class noobs! Just watching a handful of Hollywood trash and having good command over the English language does not make u an intelligent human.
As for HR,he’s a superstar and a blockbuster man & a fine method actor and of course a lot more liked and adored than a bunch of self proclaimed cinematic geniuses passing vague & irrelevant comments trying to prove themselves as geniuses.
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Anuj
November 17, 2013
And anyway this entire franchise has been solely for the kids and i don’t see anything wrong with that. Especially when it ends up being the most commercially successful movie franchise in b-town history till date and makes its leading star a kids’ sensation for almost a decade. Of course i do not expect these self obsessed pseudo intellects (read idiots) to get something as simple as this.
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Abhirup.
November 17, 2013
Anuj: You, like the idiots before you, ignored the fact that the two weeks during which ‘Krrish 3’ minted money did not have any other major releases. It was the sole big banner movie during the festive season, and for those seeking to go for a movie during the holidays, it was the only option. In other words, what has contributed to the success of ‘Krrish 3’ is strategic releasing and not the quality of the movie itself, which is absolutely abysmal. And a lot of people who have seen it have bad things to say about it, as anybody who has been keeping his ears open would know. All this is clear as the daylight to all but rabid Hrithik fanboys like yourself, who actually uses the term “method actor” to describe somebody whose idea of acting is to buff up more and more with every release of his. And I am sorry, but “it’s a children’s movie” is no excuse to make crap. ‘Makdee’ and ‘The Blue Umbrella’ are children’s films as well, but they do not forego craft and characterization. Those are two things which the Krrish franchise singularly lacks.
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Anuj
November 17, 2013
Crap or not is a matter of personal opinion which i do not expect idiotic pseudo intellects to understand! As for no competition,even films like Besharam,TMK,Ra.1 did not have any major competition for 2 weeks and yet they crashed in week 2. Simply ‘coz it was rejected by the audiences. Accept the fact that K3 has been liked by the masses and B/C center audiences and urban kids as well. You cannot make 3 blockbusters in a franchise without having universal acceptance among the target audience. Of course i do not expect self obsessed idiotic morons like yourself to understand this since it seems u fail to value someone’s personal opinion on HR’s acting abilities or on K3’s acceptance. Anyway some idiot barking like a rabid canine ain’t gonna change the fact that K3’s a blockbuster and is going strong even in week 3. Carry on hater,carry on. That’s all u worthless lot are capable of anyways!
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Anuj
November 17, 2013
Even IMDB’s rating it a 6.6/10! Although i do not value IMDB rating mainly given by internet savvy hollywood slaveboys,but anyway…some food for thought for u haters who inexplicably seem to have claimed your personal opinion as a universal opinion.
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MANK
November 17, 2013
@Anuj
Sorry dude, haven’t munched a pizza in ages.Happy with rice ,sambar,idli and dosa. But still couldn’t understand the greatness of KRRish3 like you and other super intelligent non pizza eating real intellectuals. As for being idiots , well as long as guys like you around , cannot dream of achieving that status anytime soon.
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Anuj
November 17, 2013
Universally negative word of mouth and rejection in today’s era spreads like wild fire and a movie dips immediately after the first 2-3 days as evident by the like of Besharam,Ra.One,Tees Maar Khan etc (even without any competition). The fact that K3 has held up well in week 2 and still going strong in week 3 clearly indicates an audience that has taken to the film in a big way (namely the single screen and B/C centre audiences which usually urban macburger junkies tend to ignore). Although i do not expect some worthless cynics and haters to be accepting this though,considering that their only aim of watching Bollywood is to degrade and demean its target audience and the masses.
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MANK
November 18, 2013
@Anuj
worthless cynics and haters. universal opinion. idiotic pseudo intellects, Masses, worthless lot
Dude this is getting real repetitive and boring ,try some other adjectives for a change next time. As for barking like rabid canine, well now we know who can qualify for that tag.
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Anuj Sharma
November 18, 2013
@MANK : “Good cinema,bad cinema,hamming,labouring” etc etc are done to death! Try something different next time since i assume u chaps have excellent command over the English language (perhaps the only real skill u possess)
“As for barking like rabid canine, well now we know who can qualify for that tag.”~indeed…its a known fact who barks their mouth off on worthless blogs and fake twitter accounts under the garb of being a cinematic expert!
PS : Some good news for u lot. K3’s holding up steadily in its third week too despite stiff opposition from Ram Leela and has recorded the highest second week collections for any Bollywood movie since 3 Idiots. So much for being disliked!
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edwardssammy
November 18, 2013
@Anuj,
So, some people liked it. Big deal. Why do you insist on us “worthless cynics and haters and idiotic pseudo intellects” to like it? Let us wallow in our pastimes of discussing European masters. You will find a lot of Hrithikwa Roshanwa fantard sites to gush about his ‘method acting’
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Abhirup.
November 18, 2013
Anuj: Ummm, no. You are wrong. ‘Besharam’ and the other films you mentioned had to face competition from other releases, including those which had been released prior to it. Unlike ‘Krrish 3’, which enjoyed two consecutive weeks of solo run at the theatres. So, yeah, to repeat myself, it’s success is ENTIRELY owing to its timing of release.
“HR’s acting abilities” is an oxymoronic phrase. He has no acting abilities.
I didn’t know ‘Krrish 3’ has a rating of 6.6/10 on imdb. Good. That it has such a low rating even on imdb is proof that most people haven’t liked it. If it had indeed connected with the audience in, as you put in, “a big way”, it would have a rating of at least above seven. That it doesn’t makes it an epic fail in terms of connecting with the audience.
“K3′s holding up steadily in its third week too”
Uh, no, not quite. ‘Ram-Leela’ has already eaten into its earnings to a significant extent, and with ‘Gori Tere Pyaar Mein’ and ‘Singh Saab the Great’ releasing next week, ‘Krrish 3’ will be out of most of the theatres. Its reign has ended.
PS.- Little did I know that the ability to appreciate cinema depends so much on what we eat. Pizza and burger are apparently the ones that rob you of this ability, and, according to an earlier moron, vaada pav enhances it. ‘Food’ for thought for film critics and nutritionists alike.
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Anuj
November 18, 2013
“He has no acting abilities.”
~your opinion. Millions round the world would beg to differ. As for Besharam,theere was no major release in the week prior to it and for the next 2 weeks too till Boss released. Yet it crashed on day 2 itself to end at 60 cr lifetime. Unlike K3 which ends at around 225 cr which is too high a number for a movie to be universally disliked. Same goes for Ra.1,Tees Maar Khan,Boss etc. Get your facts right. As for Ram Leela,its indeed had an impact on K3 which is bound to happen when a major release performs well (unlike OUATIMD which tanked and hence did not impact CE). An imdb rating of 6.6/10 is an “Above Average” rating and a lot higher than other major hits like Bodyguard,CE,ETT etc. And when i say “connected with the audience” i mean the “target audience” which mainly includes the B/C centre audiences who unfortunately have little to no access to the online world else i’m sure the likes of Dabangg,K3,ETT etc would have rated 7+. As for Hrithik,think whatever u want but u cannot deny the fact that he’s an extremely popular actor with a huge fan following who do tend to agree that he’s a fine actor. Your personal opinion counts for peanuts!
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Anuj
November 18, 2013
Fyi,Besharam released on 2nd October and the previous major release was PPNH on Sept.20th (a flop in itself) and the nest major release was Boss on Oct.16th (another flop). Yet it tanked to a 60 cr lifetime colossal flop. As i said,at least do the needful and get your facts straight before proving your ignorance! Bottomline,K3 has indeed been liked by the masses and has carried a word of mouth of 60%+ across a universal audience.
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Srini
November 18, 2013
I really don’t understand the anger of some people like Anuj , Joe etc. at the negative comments about K3 on this blog. As they themselves say , the movie worked for them , so why get all worked up about somebody not agreeing with the movie? The fact that the movie has done good business seems to validate their view that the movie is well liked. So why rant and abuse on a blog? why take comments on a movie so seriously? Nobody has any personal scores to settle with HR or RR. The movie was a miserable in the opinion of a few people who commented here. Why spew so much venom on them? Can’t people have a different opinion from the supposedly popular opinion? Why do they react as if the negative comment on the movie is a personal attack on them? It’s definitely not.
I agree that commercial success of a movie is important but to judge the quality of a movie based only on commercial success is simply wrong, but if the commercial success convinces them that the movie connected with the masses , why argue?
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Anuj
November 18, 2013
@edwardsammy : “Hrithikwa Roshanwa fantard sites”~i exactly know the reason behind this statement and why you’ve made it and why am i not surprised? This is exactly what i expect from a braindead metropolitan educated pseudo intelligent idiot who tries to judge people’s dialect and origins based on their surnames. Fyi,i’m not from the part of the world that u think i belong to and nor am i gonna elaborate further on this! ‘coz ignorant urban retards just make me Lol at their stupidity more often than not.
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Anuj
November 18, 2013
@Srini : Liking or disliking a movie is one thing & making false sweeping remarks based on your own interpretation is another. Anyone who knows the a,b,c of bollywood trade would know that a movie needs to be accepted by more than half its “target audience”(urban.masses or as in K3’s case,both) to sustain well into its 2nd week and record solid numbers. Attempts to prove that the movie success is a fluke by making frivolous arguments like “it had 2 open weeks” are baseless and what’s even more ridiculous is making false and ignorant statements like “rejected movies like Besharam faced competition” when anyone who knows the actual release date & the number of open weeks movies like Besharam,Ra.1,TMK etc had would obviously not make such a ridiculous remark. These pseudo cinematic scholars (read dunce) sitting in Air conditioned rooms making factually incorrect remarks need to be shown their place and true worth at times.
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Abhirup.
November 18, 2013
“your opinion. Millions round the world would beg to differ.”
Just as millions around the world would happily agree.
“As for Besharam,theere was no major release in the week prior to it and for the next 2 weeks too till Boss released.”
When ‘Besharam’ released, films like ‘Madras Cafe’ and ‘Shuddh Desi Romance’ were still running in many theatres, as they were doing well. People went for those instead of ‘Besharam’. With ‘Krrish 3’, there weren’t such options.
“An imdb rating of 6.6/10 is an “Above Average” rating and a lot higher than other major hits like Bodyguard,CE,ETT etc.”
Nope. 6.6/10 means strictly so-so in imdb terms. And I assure you that the rating shall drop further in the days to come. Check a few months hence, and it shall be below six. And having a rating higher than ‘Bodyguard’ or ‘Chennai Express’ is no big deal; those are crappy movies as well.
” the B/C centre audiences who unfortunately have little to no access to the online world else i’m sure the likes of Dabangg,K3,ETT etc would have rated 7+.”
Yeah, you wish.
“As for Hrithik,think whatever u want but u cannot deny the fact that he’s an extremely popular actor with a huge fan following”
Which means absolutely nothing. Many less-than-capable actors gain fan followings owing to their good looks and superficial charms. Hrithik is just one such case.
“Bottomline,K3 has indeed been liked by the masses”
No, the bottomline is that those masses have SEEN the film. Seeing it and liking it are not the same. Loads of people I know have nothing but profanities to offer when it comes to talking about ‘Krrish 3’. And given how crappy it is, that’s as it should be.
It’s quite revealing, by the way, that you have to assert the “quality” of ‘Krrish 3’ by comparing it to the likes of ‘ra.one’, ‘Besharam’, ‘Boss’, ‘Tees Maar Khan’ etc., which are horrible movies themselves. Inadvertently, you are underscoring the mediocrity of ‘Krrish 3’.
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Abhirup.
November 18, 2013
Oh, and ‘Besharam’ was also preceded by ‘The Lunchbox’, which was another big draw for the multiplex crowd, and it continued to do well even after the release of the Ranbir Kapoor film, because people liked it and went for it multiple times. As I said, there were no such films before or after ‘Krrish 3’, and this is what enabled it to rake in the moolah.
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edwardssammy
November 18, 2013
“This is exactly what i expect from a braindead metropolitan educated pseudo intelligent idiot ”
Thanks for the compliment. Much appreciated.
“‘coz ignorant urban retards just make me Lol at their stupidity more often than not.”
Then why are you here? We all are in awe of your awesome mental capability to compute the greatness of a movie based on calculations at the speed of light. Please let us poor souls just be and dislike the movie. God knows I’m not asking for much!!!
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Anuj
November 18, 2013
“there were no such films before or after ‘Krrish 3′, and this is what enabled it to rake in the moolah.”
~Boss started pretty well in single screens and of course no produce would dare release his movie anywhere near a big ticket venture like K3.
“Oh, and ‘Besharam’ was also preceded by ‘The Lunchbox’, which was another big draw for the multiplex crowd”
~released in only 400 screens across the country on Sept 20th while Besharam came in 3700 screens on Oct. 2nd! Lnchbox was almost out of most cinemas by then. And kindly get your facts right regarding Madras Cafe and SDD which came a good month before Besharam and were out of all cinemas by Oct 2nd.
“Just as millions around the world would happily agree.”
~no one gives a damn!
“Which means absolutely nothing. Many less-than-capable actors gain fan followings owing to their good looks and superficial charms. Hrithik is just one such case.”
~your personal opinion which is completely irrelevant to me and all his millions of fans across the world who have loved his films over the last 14 years and counting. He’s a fine actor imo and i’m sure many would agree including some hypocritical critics like Masand and Mayank Shekhar.
“No, the bottomline is that those masses have SEEN the film. Seeing it and liking it are not the same. Loads of people I know have nothing but profanities to offer when it comes to talking about ‘Krrish 3′.”
~Lots have SEEN it in the first 4-5 days and have LIKED it and hence have referred to to their friends,family etc who then paid to watch it and hence it made a healthy 46 cr in its second week while rejected one’s like Ra.1 and TMK folded up within 15 cr in their respective second weeks despite having zero competition.
“Loads of people I know have nothing but profanities to offer when it comes to talking about ‘Krrish 3”
~doesn’t matter one bit ‘coz loads have some great things to say about it too and as i said,your worthless opinions count for peanuts.
Now trying getting some facts right about movie trending,release dates and trade business before making some further ridiculous arguments.
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Anuj
November 18, 2013
And frankly if u think that small scale low budget films like SDD,Madras Cafe (incidently a Below Average performer itself) and Lunchbox are giving “competition” to one of the biggest releases of the year that too after a months of their release,you either know nothing about trade or are a complete noob who needs to get his pea sized brains examined. You intellects rather stick to your Lunchboxes and Gangs Of Wasseypur’s which more often than not end up burning a hole in the pockets of their investors and nor are 90% of the audiences interested in watching them. The only purpose of these movies is to please their colonial masters at Cannes’ and get a few stars from Rangan’s and Fandnavis’ in order to hammer home a non existent point about what’s “good cinema” and what “bad” (which incidently was,is and will always be a purely subjective opinion,how much ever u pseudos bark from rooftops).
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Anuj
November 18, 2013
Ideally is you do not a certain brand of cinema or a particular performer you should avoid watching them at any cost. But i guess being ideal is too much of an ask for these public school educated,urban metropolitan jokers. That’s the only thing that can explain why they’d watch a movie of an actor they dislike and then come on rant their bottoms off on social networking sites. The fact of the matter is that be it ETT or CE or K3,they have all been liked by their “fans” and “target audiences” and hence have gone on to create box office history. The fact of the matter is that be it a Salman or an SRK or an HR,they all have a rock solid fanbase across the country and even the world who like/adore their movies and have been thoroughly entertained through their gimmickry for years and years together. As for the cynics/critics/haters etc,you chimps may as well stop watching Bollywood commercial masala movies if it burns your bum so much. ‘Coz watching something despite knowing beforehand that u ain’t gonna be liking it is kinda idiotic,a term which sits very well on you urban hypocritical clowns!
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Anuj
November 18, 2013
*Correction : Ideally “if” you do not “like”
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Abhirup.
November 18, 2013
“released in only 400 screens across the country on Sept 20th while Besharam came in 3700 screens on Oct. 2nd! Lnchbox was almost out of most cinemas by then.”
Nope. In the multiplexes at least, ‘The Lunchbox’ was still doing pretty well. I myself have seen the film in packed theatres–twice–while ‘Besharam’ did poorly. So, it’s you who needs to get the facts right.
“And kindly get your facts right regarding Madras Cafe and SDD which came a good month before Besharam and were out of all cinemas by Oct 2nd.”
Wrong again. Both of those films were still going strong when ‘Besharam’ came out, especially ‘Shuddh Desi Romance’.
“no one gives a damn!”
About Hrithik Roshan? Agreed.
“your personal opinion which is completely irrelevant to me and all his millions of fans across the world”
Just as your and other Hrithik fanboys’ opinion which is absolutely irrelevant to the rest of us sane people. So it’s all fair and square, eh?
“Lots have SEEN it in the first 4-5 days and have LIKED it and hence have referred to to their friends,family etc who then paid to watch it and hence it made a healthy 46 cr in its second week”
Nope. The business it did in the second week was owing to, as I said, the lack of other releases. What ‘Krrish 3’ has accomplished is the cinematic equivalent of scoring a goal when there’s no goalkeeper.
“doesn’t matter one bit ‘coz loads have some great things to say about it too”
Nope again. The ones who use the word “great” to describe ‘Krrish 3’ actually comprise a microscopic portion of the human population, thankfully.
“And frankly if u think that small scale low budget films like SDD,Madras Cafe and Lunchbox are giving “competition” to one of the biggest releases of the year that too after a months of their release”
Yeah, that’s what I think, because that’s a fact. Doesn’t matter if these films were small-scale; they are good films which people liked and hence they continued to play in the theatres for a long time. I saw all these films many days after their release, and that too with a significant number of other people, which proves beyond doubt that they were successful.
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venkatesh
November 18, 2013
Is this guy for real ?
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Jitaditya
November 19, 2013
Oh man this Anuj guy has arrived here as well after siglehandedly populating another website with his K3 mania… wish somebody had such dedication for a meaningful cause…
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edwardssammy
November 19, 2013
I’m beginning to think Anuj is Taran Adarsh’s another ‘nom de plume’.
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Anuj
November 19, 2013
“Both of those films were still going strong when ‘Besharam’ came out, especially ‘Shuddh Desi Romance’.”
~lol…reason enough for me to believe that you got zilch knowledge of box office and trends!
“Nope. The business it did in the second week was owing to, as I said, the lack of other releases. What ‘Krrish 3′ has accomplished is the cinematic equivalent of scoring a goal when there’s no goalkeeper.”
~wonder what u gotta say about Ra.1 crashing to a 15 cr second week with zero competition and a similar release time as K3! Again,proves your ignorance. I’m sure according to u every blockbuster of his right from KNPH to Kmg to Krrish to D2 to Agneepath to K3 has something “going for it”!
“Yeah, that’s what I think, because that’s a fact. Doesn’t matter if these films were small-scale; they are good films which people liked and hence they continued to play in the theatres for a long time. I saw all these films many days after their release, and that too with a significant number of other people, which proves beyond doubt that they were successful.”
~yeah…extremely popular among popcorn and cafe latte audiences whose incidently form 10% of the total audience and whose idea of entertainment is some candy floss romance and some polished camerawork.
“No one cares”
~True…about the worthless opinions of cynics and critics whose only purpose of existence seems to be watching “mass entertainers” despite knowing the fact that it does not match their sensibilities and yet crying out loud on social networking sites and personal blogs.
Be it HR or be it Salman,they have a huge fanbase across the globe and will continue churning out hits for a long time to come. All u chaps can do is cry out loud on the social network amongst your own cosy club of Tarantino cum Anurag Kashyap fans under the pretext of what u describe “good cinema” matching your own pseudo smartass sensibilities.
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Anuj
November 19, 2013
“Yeah, that’s what I think, because that’s a fact. Doesn’t matter if these films were small-scale; they are good films which people liked and hence they continued to play in the theatres for a long time. I saw all these films many days after their release, and that too with a significant number of other people, which proves beyond doubt that they were successful.”
~Madras Cafe crashed completely in its second week and was out of most multiplex chains by its third week. It folded up for a lifetime total of 44 cr nett after having a first week collection of 33 cr. SDD did not last a month and was out of all multiplex chains across the nation barring the Punjab/Delhi territory where too it was replaced by Besharam on Oct 2nd! These 2 films did not even have a release in 90% of the single screens and B/C centres & had a pan India release size of 1000-1100 screens. No point arguing with me in this regard. Without sounding snobbish i can safely say that i have a “little” more information and data regarding release,trends and collections of Bollywood films than u do! Sayonara…no more comments from my side! You’ve bored me out with your laughable statements and your lacking of understanding of the taste and sensibilities of mass audiences (whom pseudos love to describe as “illiterates”). As expected your self obsession with you and some folk your own “breed” is blatantly evident (although not surprising).
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Srini
November 19, 2013
IS Anuj , Hrithik Rosahn in disguise ? I really cannot understand why he has to pick up fights on behalf oh HR?
@Anuj : You Liked K3 ? You adore HR ? You think K3 is a great movie? Good for you. Have fun and please stop your rants.It’s becoming very annoying. I really don’t see what is it that you want to prove? If you want us to agree that K3 is a great movie and HR is a great actor , then that’s not happening anytime soon. You can’t convince everyone to like the actor and the movies you like. So please stop and go get some sleep.
@Abhirup: Please do not respond to Anuj any more, it’s apparently going nowhere.
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Anuj
November 19, 2013
“Nope. In the multiplexes at least, ‘The Lunchbox’ was still doing pretty well.”
~only the high end multiplexes which cater to about 10% of the total audience!
“Nope again. The ones who use the word “great” to describe ‘Krrish 3′ actually comprise a microscopic portion of the human population, thankfully.”
~yeah i’m sure you’v interviewed every single viewer from across the globe! Or maybe just formed opinions based on the opinions of a handful of self proclaimed intelligent species & cinematic intellects (not that i expect anything better from u chaps).
Here is a link from a reliable trade source dated 5th October 2013! Check for yourself how many theatres was SDD and MC running in and how much they collected! 32 L from 198 theatres must be your definition of “running strong” i guess but that’s below par even by small scale movie standards (as compared to something like Kahaani & Delhi Belly).
http://www.boxofficeindia.co.in/weekly-collections-%E2%80%93-box-office/
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Abhirup.
November 19, 2013
boxofficeindia.co.in is by no means a “reliable trade source.” The very fact that you cite it in the end renders everything you say null and void.
The fact of the matter is that while ‘Madras Cafe’ and ‘Shuddh Desi Romance’ aren’t blockbusters (and I never said they were), both have earned considerable sums of money–especially in the multiplexes–given their limited release and budgets. And yeah, a lot of people preferred to watch those instead of ‘Besharam’. The same goes for ‘The Lunchbox’.
As for ‘ra.one’ crashing in its second week despite competition, that only proves it was even worse than ‘Krrish 3’. So, the “achievement” of Papa Roshan and Beta Roshan is that they outdid ‘ra.one’. Yeah, that’s a benchmark achievement for sure. I am convinced their names will be inscribed in history of human civilization in golden letters for having made a film that’s marginally better than ‘ra.one’. I mean, what more could one expect of a filmmaker?
Oh, by the way, thanks for providing the names of the Hrithik Roshan blockbusters. Most of those films are so forgettable, I didn’t remember their names despite having watched them all. I had forgotten that he had starred in so many craps. Am now convinced, more than ever, that this is an actor with some of the worst choice of roles in recent times.
So, yeah, ‘Krrish 3’, despite the box-office records achieved in the absence of other films and despite the attempts of some to cite it as proof of its excellence, remains a crappy movie with a crappy actor.
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Abhirup.
November 19, 2013
Oh, and by the way, “yeah i’m sure you’v interviewed every single viewer from across the globe”-not necessary. I have spoken to sufficient number of people to draw my conclusions, which is that while a lot may have seen ‘Krrish 3’, few have actually liked it. To arrive at an inference, it’s hardly necessary to conduct interviews on a global basis.
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Abhirup.
November 19, 2013
*despite no competition
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Anuj
November 19, 2013
@Srini : No…whether u like HR or not is your personal choice and i’m not gonna comment on it. But to say that K3’s success is an absolute fluke and that the movie has not been liked by the audiences is an absolute joke. A mass entertainer like K3 (or Besharam for that matter) caters to over 70% of the movie watching audience in India and to compare a SDD or MC (which cater to just 30% of the total audience namely urban multiplex audiences) with these films is a futile exercise. Yes K3 might not have received appreciation among the 18-30 age group of urban India but there’s no denying the fact that its been loved by the mass audiences in the single screens and B/C centre audiences who have had little to no exposure to superior sci-fi movies churned by the Hollywood. The record breaking performance in mass belts like MP,Bihar,Rajasthan etc is testimony to this fact. As for no competition,as i’v already mentioned,even mass entertainers like Ra.1,Besharam and TMK has zero competition in their respective second weeks and yet they had a heavy fall courtesy universally negative word of mouth (unlike K3 which has had +ve wom in the mass sector). In fact such was the negativity around Besharam that despite opening to 80-90% occupancy,it crashed miserably on the second day itself due to universal rejection from both the urban as well as mass sector. Its failure cannot be associated to a small film like SDR which was in its 5th week at that point of time running in only 150 cinemas across the country and mainly catered to only the urban multiplex audiences. Its obvious that the person concerned is completely oblivious to Bollywood movie trending and his definition of “acceptance” and “rejection” is restricted to his limited group of trusted individuals,all with their own independent point of view and all incidently belonging to the urban multiplex audiences. If someone speaks of K3 being trashed by “imdb users” and “his own trusted group of individuals”,i in the same vein can say that my cook,newspaper delivery boy and milkman loved K3 and their families (esp the kids) based in the interiors went gaga over the film. I personally watched the movie in the front stall of a single screen theatre in Bangalore and i can tell you,the atmosphere was electric and the crowd was going beserk esp during the climax. No wonder its been a rage in the single screens and is still running strong even in its 3rd week at the single screens in spite of stiff opposition from Ram Leela which has almost taken over the multiplex sector (in fact running a lot stronger than the “darling of the masses” Salman Khan’s Bodyguard,ETT and Dabang 2 in their respective 3rd weeks at the single screens and mass sector) Perceptions always differ…!
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Abhirup.
November 19, 2013
Yet another futile rant that convinced nobody of the supposed merits of ‘Krrish 3’.
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Anuj
November 20, 2013
boxofficeindia.co.in not a reliable trade source? So a source giving circuit wise collections from every territory on an accurate basis ain’t reliable! Awesome…i’m sure you’d be interested in the outdated and redundant boxofficeindia.com which has not updated its numbers for the last 3 years and in all likelihood will cease to exist in another few years from now! Anyway,fyi SDR 3rd week numbers by boi.com were even lower then boi.co.in! Its just that the lousy site does not maintain archives and hence i cannot give u the links.
As for HR’s blockbusters,it doesn’t make a rats difference about whether u remember them or not. He’s got millions of fans around the globe who’v patronized those films & will continue doing so for years to come. It doesn’t matter if some hater dumb enough to be drawing inferences of a movie’s audience by speaking to “enough number of people” doesn’t recall them or doesn’t agree!
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Anuj
November 20, 2013
“Most of those films are so forgettable, I didn’t remember their names despite having watched them all.”
~so u do admit you’re indeed brainless enough to be watching almost all blockbusters of an actor whom u consider “crappy”(typical pseudo terminology) and then crying out loud on internet forums! Keep it up…
“So, yeah, ‘Krrish 3′, despite the box-office records achieved in the absence of other films and despite the attempts of some to cite it as proof of its excellence, remains a crappy movie with a crappy actor.”
~your’s and the personal opinion of the “sufficient number of people you’v spoken to” which basically is irrelevant and stinks of rotten eggs for the movie’s 3M fans on fb and probably another 30M off it!
“To arrive at an inference, it’s hardly necessary to conduct interviews on a global basis.”
~oh yes it is,else u may as well stop speaking on behalf of others’ especially when a movie creates circuit records in small town single screen territories like CI,CP Berar,Rajasthan and Bihar! And still continues raking moolah even in its third week (12 cr nett approx) largely courtesy these small town circuits where ticket prices range from INR 50-70!
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Anuj
November 20, 2013
“Yet another futile rant that convinced nobody of the supposed merits of ‘Krrish 3′.”
~no one’s interested in convincing braindead pseudo intellects about the merits of K3! Especially when they’re completely ignorant about the taste and sensibilities of mass audiences who form 75% of the total movie watching audience across the country. They’re happy enough living in their own lala land of Rangan’s,Masand’s and Raja Sen’s using complicated English adjectives trying to prove a point about their so-called refined cinematic taste. The fact of the matter is that these lousy Lunchbox and Paan Singh Tomar fans form 5% of the total population and no wonder these movies struggle to make even 20 cr at the box office when even a Grand Masti scores a ton. That’s how significant the critics and their bunch of followers are. They come up with conclusions based on the opinions of a 100 more “cinematic geniuses” with “refined” taste (just like their own).
PS : While Ram Leela does exceptionally well in the multiplexes of Delhi,Mumbai and Ahemadabad (viz the urban metro pseudo audiences) K3 continues to be the first choice for viewers in the B/C centres of the mass sector single screen dominated circuits even in its 3rd week running!
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Abhirup.
November 20, 2013
“i’m sure you’d be interested in the outdated and redundant boxofficeindia.com”
Nope, don’t care for that one either.
“Anyway,fyi SDR 3rd week numbers by boi.com were even lower then boi.co.in!”
Just proves my point that these websites are unreliable sources, each reporting different figures with little evidence that the reported numbers are correct.
“He’s got millions of fans around the globe who’v patronized those films & will continue doing so for years to come.”
Yeah, well, fools always exist in large numbers.
“so u do admit you’re indeed brainless enough to be watching almost all blockbusters of an actor whom u consider “crappy”(typical pseudo terminology) and then crying out loud on internet forums!”
Yeah, I watch all sorts of films, including the pathetic movies of Hrithik Roshan, so that I know precisely how and why they are pathetic.
“your’s and the personal opinion of”
Nope. ‘Krrish 3’ being a crap movie is not a matter of “personal opinion”, it’s a fact, as undeniable as the fact that the earth is the planet we live on.
“oh yes it is”
Nope, it isn’t. Nobody can interview all people on earth–and you haven’t either, or you would have known how much a lot of people dislike ‘Krrish 3’–but a good number of people have I spoken to to know that ‘Krrish 3’ is far from unanimously liked.
“And still continues raking moolah even in its third week”
Nah, it’s crashed already. Which it would have, in its first week itself, had there been another, better film playing in the theatres.
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Anuj
November 20, 2013
“Yeah, well, fools always exist in large numbers.”
~of course…you’re a live example!
“Yeah, I watch all sorts of films, including the pathetic movies of Hrithik Roshan, so that I know precisely how and why they are pathetic.”
~same reply as above
“Just proves my point that these websites are unreliable sources, each reporting different figures with little evidence that the reported numbers are correct.”
~yeah..either u got phenomenal sixth sense to know which film is being loved by a population of a billion plus or u got contacts with exhibitors across the length and breath of the country.
“Krrish 3′ being a crap movie is not a matter of “personal opinion”, it’s a fact, as undeniable as the fact that the earth is the planet we live on.”
~just like its a fact that you’re behaving like an amateurish retard who has little idea of what he’s talking about. Of course i do not expect brainless fools to be understanding a concept as simple as “personal choice”,be it in aspects of cinema,music or arts. And yes indeed the 3 million fans on fb are all “fools” while you’re the smartest soul on the soul of this planet….Babaji Ka Thullu 😛
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Anuj
November 20, 2013
“Nah, it’s crashed already. Which it would have, in its first week itself, had there been another, better film playing in the theatres.”
~its got better third week collections than Bodyguard,ETT abd Dabangg 2 which were huge blockbusters themselves (of course i know ur gonna call them “crappy” too). Anyway,stay happy…HR is a fluke superstar with 8 fluke Super Hits to his name while every huge grossing blockbuster of late has been a fluke. I’m sure Well Done Abba and Stanley Ka Dabba would be your bet. But ideally a movie titled “Babaji Ka Thullu” would be an apt title for u urban idiots!
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Abhirup.
November 21, 2013
“of course…you’re a live example”
No. The Hrithik Roshan fan club is.
“same reply as above”
Same here.
“either u got phenomenal sixth sense to know which film is being loved by a population of a billion plus or u got contacts with exhibitors across the length and breath of the country.”
The latter part is somewhat true.
“And yes indeed the 3 million fans on fb are all “fools” while you’re the smartest soul on the soul of this planet”
See? It’s not that hard to state the truth.
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Anuj
November 21, 2013
“The latter part is somewhat true.”
~wow…you should have more followers than Nahta,Adarsh and Mehra put together…#Feku 2 in the making!
“See? It’s not that hard to state the truth.”
~Apne muh miya mithu? Amusing as always but not surprising at all!
“No. The Hrithik Roshan fan club is.”
~unfortunately for u and a lot of his haters,his fan club is too huge to be ignored!
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Abhirup.
November 21, 2013
“you should have more followers than Nahta,Adarsh and Mehra put together”
Not really interested in following in the footsteps of those hacks, to tell you the truth.
“Apne muh miya mithu?”
Nah, simply stating facts, which is that the Hrithik fan club’s collective IQ is lower than the room temperature in Ladakh.
“his fan club is too huge to be ignored!”
I am not ignoring them. I am merely pointing out, to quote myself, “fools always exist in large numbers.”
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Anuj
November 22, 2013
“Nah, simply stating facts, which is that the Hrithik fan club’s collective IQ is lower than the room temperature in Ladakh.”
~one thing i usually expect from self obsessed pseudos is wit but i guess that’s asking a bit too much from some dull & dimwitted jack who can only make lame arguments to hammer home his non existent point!
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Abhirup.
November 22, 2013
“one thing i usually expect…is wit”
Which I demonstrate aplenty.
“hammer home his non existent point”
Oh, my points are existent all right, and they are backed up by proper points as well, which are intelligible to all but the dimwits who constitute the Hrithik Roshan/’Krrish 3′ fan club.
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Anuj
November 23, 2013
Bragging and harping about themselves is all that certain individuals can do to defend themselves especially when they do not have any proof whatsoever to back their claims 😀
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Abhirup.
November 23, 2013
“Bragging and harping about themselves is all that certain individuals can do to defend themselves especially when they do not have any proof whatsoever to back their claims”
A very succinct description of yourself.
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sanjay
November 24, 2013
Rubbish review
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Anuj
November 25, 2013
The so-called masterpiece “Ram-Leela” rates even below K3 on imdb…that too in its 2nd week with just 2000 votes…Lol!!
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Abhirup.
November 26, 2013
And the rating of ‘Krrish 3’ has plummeted to 6.5/10 from 6.6/10. Further decline is clearly on the cards as well.
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Anuj
November 26, 2013
6.6 to 6.5 in week 4 and you describe it as “plummeted”! Btw,that comment was neither addressed nor intended for you.
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Jai
November 27, 2013
Anuj,
Dude, much as I really do not want to be responding to you at all, I am going to give just one comment here addressing your posts. You can rant and rave all you want after that, feel free, coz I am not going to ever reply.
First things first–how old are you? Sorry if that question comes across as being a bit rude, but allow me to explain why I asked that. The content and tone of your comments, reminds me a lot of the frenzied discussions my friends and I used to have a decade and a half ago, on our favorite movies/ actresses/ actors.
Let me tell you, I was a die hard Madhuri fan. When Kajol swept most of the awards for DDLJ, I( very strongly) felt that it was just politics, and in fact Madhuri deserved it for Raja/ Yaarana!! My then best pal and I had a rift lasting several days, because he had dared (!!) tell me that he felt Manisha was a better actress than Madhuri…
So each of us has our own opinions, prejudices, what have you. But with time, one does get to see things in perspective. I still feel, no actress from the 70’s till today, holds a candle to Madhuri. But for the life of me, I could not feel that she deserved the best actress award for Aaja Nachle, as opposed to Kareena for Jab We Met, for example.
You need to grow up, dude. Feeling strongly about your point of view is fine. You know what–had you taken the time to cogently pen down what things you felt worked in Krrish 3, I would have felt a whole lot of respect for you. But repeatedly citing box office figures doesn’t mean anything–coz in that case, films like Dabangg, Ready, Rowdy Rathore, Wanted, Singh is Kinng etc would be among the finest ever made in Indian cinema!
Also, you go off on a frenetic diatribe, attacking every one else having an opposing viewpoint to yours. You seem to find anyone disliking Krrish 3, an ‘urban macburger junkie/ middle class noob’ whom you seem to condemn for having ‘an excellent command over the English language’.
Can I ask you something? Don’t you find the irony in using this argument to defend Hrithik, who is as urbane/ ‘metrosexual’ a hero as they come? PLEASE don’t tell me Hrithik typifies the small town, rugged, ‘salt of the earth’ hero–you have to be truly delusional, if you didn’t pick up his anglicized diction in Jodha Akbar (where he was Emperor Akbar, for crying out loud!)
Just in case you find this relevant–which is not, really–I come from a Tier II town, certainly not a Metro. I HATE macdonalds. I love old hindi songs and Hindustani/ Carnatic instrumental. I also refuse to believe, that you can generalize my responses to a film based on these parameters.
Finally, if you post on a blog, and expect that your comments are to be taken as addressed only to the blog author, then you are displaying your lack of understanding of communication media. Any private communication you intend for the author, have to be sent to him by email. Not to mention, that in your first comment on this thread, you have specifically addressed other people who have commented, and not Mr Rangan himself. Don’t cry wolf now!!
Cheers…and All the best for your transition from adolescence…
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Abhirup.
November 27, 2013
“6.6 to 6.5 in week 4 and you describe it as “plummeted”!”
Yeah, absolutely. And I shall use that word again when the rating goes beyond six.
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Anuj
November 27, 2013
@Jai : You can guess all u want about my age or IQ,it doesn’t matter to me. As for the comments,my defence is for Bollywood masala films per say and not HR in general (although i’m a fan of his and the bias at times is obvious). And yes i do not see anything wrong in something terming Dabangg,Rowdy or a CE as a classic! In fact i myself consider Dabangg,Singham and Agneepath(2012) to be better “classics” than a Lunchbox or an Udaan. I do not need any critic with zero knowledge of Bollywood mass audience taste to be telling me that.
The rest of your statements are your personal opinions and do not merit a response.
PS : I think HR was brilliant in Jodhaa Akbar and so did the audiences making it the most successful Bollywood historical of the decade daylights ahead of duds like Asoka and Mangal Pandey delivered by the darlings of the media. The fact that he swept all awards for JA is only further justification of his excellence (although I really never give relevance to awards). Box office success and audience acceptance is a lot more significant than awards.
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Abhirup.
November 27, 2013
*below six
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Sahir.
November 7, 2016
Whoops. Turned out when I watched the film, I rather enjoyed it. I thought the music was pretty worthless, but I enjoyed some of the special effects, especially the antidotes exploding over the sky like greeny-blue umbrellas. It was fun, the film. I don’t suppose it was enduring fun, but fun while it lasted. 🙂
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