Spoilers ahead…
Watching Holiday, AR Murugadoss’s remake of his Tamil hit Thuppakki, we are able to see better what made the earlier film work. One, the fact that the other big-budget, hero-worshipping Tamil films that year – Thaandavam and Maattrraan – turned out to be terrible, and Thuppakki showed up just in time for audiences who were despairing of seeing a movie from a major hero that made at least a smidgen of sense. Two, it was a Tamil film set in Mumbai – the plot about hunting down terrorists was essentially that of Sarfarosh, but with more masala – and yet, the hero and his cohorts weren’t the usual rubes flailing about in an alienating “North India.” They spoke Hindi and English when needed, like how people who’ve made their homes elsewhere do. Holiday is set in Mumbai and this cultural connotation, this colour, is lost. It’s just business as usual.
Three, and most important, Murugadoss found a balance between the demands of the story and the desire to enshrine his hero. So on the one hand we followed the sober tale of a soldier in the Indian Army (namely, the Character) who wipes out a significant threat from a terrorist organisation’s sleeper cells, and on the other, we basked in thrills from a hero (namely, the Archetype) who swaggers through this mission in style. And after seeing Holiday, I think we can safely declare that it was Vijay who made Thuppakki work – rather, our expectations of a Vijay movie. The bar is usually set so low that Thuppakki came as a pleasant surprise. Even more surprising was the decision to make Vijay play a part far removed from the ones he usually plays. The typical Vijay masala movie is about street smarts, but here he was genuinely intelligent. If Kamal Haasan was shown cracking a Rubik’s cube, we’d yawn and say where’s the surprise in that (and we’d expect him to move to on to one with twelve sides), but with Vijay, these gimmicks seemed fresh. Plus, he was a sadistic vigilante, who took out a toolkit and snapped off fingers of terrorists. And then he shot them dead. We’d never seen Vijay like this, and what would have been a sub-par Kamal Haasan thriller ended up seeming a fairly impressive masala outing.
In other words, the star’s image had a lot to do with our perception of Thuppakki, and without that particular star, the film’s flaws stand out in sharp relief. Akshay Kumar is a good action hero, a good comedian, probably better than Vijay in both these departments, but he doesn’t have what Vijay has, a unique image – he’s a rather generic presence in his films. When he does the “mass moment” scenes, they don’t send a frisson through us, the way they would when these moments are enacted by popular stars with a strong image. He cannot carry a bad film. His films are good if the writing/directing is good, and here, these aspects are far from satisfactory. Holiday, like Thuppakki, is too long. The romantic track (with Sonakshi Sinha) is too bland, too sexist, too redundant. The emotional beats are weak – we aren’t invested enough in the characters to chew our nails over their fate. Murugadoss told me, in an interview recently, that in his remakes (like Ghajini) he fixes the problems in the original film. Didn’t he think these were problems? Or is the real problem the fact that there’s no Aamir Khan this time around?
KEY:
* Thuppakki = see here
* Thaandavam = see here
* Maattrraan = see here
* Sarfarosh = see here
* Ghajini = see here
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amar
June 8, 2014
If Holiday had been shot in Delhi or Kolkata it would have made some sense. Very good point u made by mentioning the color tone lost when a hindi film is set in Mumbai & it becomes a business.
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Ravi K
June 8, 2014
Baradwaj, you are the only writer who would ever use the word “frisson” while writing about Vijay and Akshay Kumar 🙂
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Rahini David
June 8, 2014
The keys don’t have links.
Am I the only key obsessed person around here?
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burcidibollyreview
June 8, 2014
Precisely my thoughts. I got through Thuppakki because of Vijay. There is no chance of Akshay making that happen.
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Anand (@Anand74869006)
June 8, 2014
Hi Baradwaj, I happened to read your review of Thuppaki immediately after reading this, and what stood out was your self-plagiarism of sorts. Many lines in this review concerning Thuppaki have been lifted verbatim off your old Thuppaki review. That was a bit disappointing I must confess, since I read your reviews mainly for the fine writing and crisp expression, so I hoped there would be some freshness. But that apart, great work in general! Been reading your reviews for years, but never got around to commenting though.
Secondly, when it comes to remakes, there is always the problem of comparisons. In this case, being the remake of a Vijay movie makes things worse, since we associate the whole movie with Vijay’s presence and casual coolness. But is that desirable, since the flaws would now not just be noticed but exaggerated? While the possible improvements would be dismissed nonchalantly as consequences of better budgets and simple corrective action.
More generally, when my Hindi friends thuppify at such remakes and wonder aloud how I found the originals so appealing, it is hard to explain this to them. They are quick to generalize and get condescending: that we Tamils are brainless hero-worshippers who can enjoy the trashiest movies simply on the basis of the hero’s gimmicks. That we don’t give a damn about logic or structure or even storytelling aesthetics.
But personally I too confess to feeling that these Hindi remakes of mass-masala Tamil entertainers always fall short of the memorable originals. Not in content, logic or anything, but in some vague feeling of wholesome satisfaction. Piyashree Dasgupta, in an article on CNN-IBN, claims this is due to a certain swagger and style that South Indian heroes acquire, possibly due to the cinema culture of hero-worship here, or more generally the general culture of linguistic deification and identity built around language and its expression. That this swagger cannot be efficiently replicated by the Bollywood actors who might otherwise have toned bodies and chiseled looks, and even fine acting skills. And consequently these remakes do not have that same charm, despite higher production values and conscious improvements over the originals.
But the same seems to hold even for less-formulaic Tamil movies too, with more regular gimmick-free good-looking heroes.
I cannot explain to my Hindi friends the appeal of a Minnale or Alaipayutheyor Mudhalvan or Vinnaithandi Varuvaaya or Kakka Kakka. These originals just have some smooth fresh appeal; lost in the translation despite higher budgets and better production values.
What do you think?
* Are our tastes too pedestrian, and our expectations from movies too low? Are we Tamils, on a larger scale than others, more easily entertained by formulaic escapist fare filled with tackiness and excess? Are our standards too low?
* Or are we really just brainless hero-worshippers who seem to fall for the heroes intangible appeal like snakes dancing to snake charmers, despite the merits of the movies on the whole? Is that the culture which has somehow ossified here for some reason?
* Do the actors in the original actually have some undeniable charm helping them carry even weak stories on their shoulders, sufficient to make the movie experience memorable? Could that be an indirect consequence of our obsession with language, mainfesting as attraction towards wordplay, oratory, body language, style, and leading to the prominence of punch dialogues?
* Or maybe the setting, atmosphere and overall tone of these movies make them more natural and smooth, without trying too hard to impress? While the remakes tend to go overboard thanks to the money thrown at them- with garish costumes and needless foreign locales, lending an artificial tacky feel to these movies at the cost of the essence and soul?
* Or are these stories, contexts and situations themselves more appreciated or relatable in specific cultures, and not compatible with other cultures and languages?
You really need to provide your perspectives on this matter in general. I am eagerly waiting to read an in-depth article, in your style, on the differences between Bollywood and Tamil (or even South Indian in general) cinema, especially using remakes as a case study.
Thanks.
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Anuja
June 8, 2014
And after seeing Holiday, I think we can safely declare that it was Vijay who made Thuppakki work – rather, our expectations of a Vijay movie. The bar is usually set so low that Thuppakki came as a pleasant surprise.
BR!!! That was so below the belt! Luckily I am not a rabid Thalapathy fan or I may have wanted to throttle you! In my opinion, Vijay’s biggest failing as an actor is he wouldn’t know a good script if it punched his nose! Imagine him in Mudhalvan (which he turned down), or in Vaali or Kaakha Kaakha or just about any of the author backed roles Surya has a knack for picking out. Vijay would have seriously done a better job.
The guy has a certain panache when it comes to line delivery and he knows how to pack a wallop in drama heavy scenes.(Remember a young Vijay in Priyamudan, Piriyamanavale, Badri? Those were awful films that were made watchable thanks to his performance!)And yet because like Rajini before him and STR after him, he can’t make sensible career choices, the poor fella will be dismissed as a star who can’t act, while the likes of Surya walk away with critical acclaim for opting to work with talented directors who can put together a decent script to make up for the histrionic limitations of their leading men. It is such a pity!
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venkatesh
June 8, 2014
@Anuja: So you are the one.
I have heard of this mythical “Vijay fan” – who can in fact look beyond his absolutely pitiful movies and see the “Actor” in him. Glad to make your acquaintance.
BR: Akshay is possibly one of the better comedians we have ; Stars who do comedy are few and far between in Hindi. Akshay is definitely one of the best. He for some reason though does not have that mythical Star Quality.
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sachita
June 8, 2014
The pretty famous statement about personal opinion shading off to factual error, that just occured two comments up.
Tamil cinema has quite a few fabulous actors, vijay inspite of 20 or so years in the industry isnt one of them. Blaming it on masala films wouldnt really help because Vikram was fabulous in Saamy.
Heck, even singham which is an ultra blade film made me still recall Surya’s performance.
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Shankar
June 9, 2014
When a successful southern movie gets remade, somehow the directors fear to reverse the story to make the logic work. As you mentioned, Thuppaki works due to it being set in Mumbai which adds that extra color. Similarly Nayagan works and to some extent even Mouna Ragam works because the director did not mess with the milieu. But when Dayavan is set in Mumbai, it loses that extra color that you mention. I’m guessing its a similar thing with Holiday. Now, is this because the Hindi version director is not confident that the audience will accept a film set in a traditional southern milieu (Chennai Express does not count since it was an imaginary southern town with the villain spitting Tamil lines like it was a foreign language though Satyaraj was cool!) or are Tamil audiences willing to accept stories set elsewhere as long as it made sense overall or a bit of both? I can’t seem to come up with any Hindi movies that have been set in the south and shot realistically…
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Ravi K
June 9, 2014
Interesting questions, Anand. Except for Salman Khan, I don’t think there are any Hindi heroes who can carry films like this solely on their charisma. Akshay Kumar can’t, unless directed by someone like Prabhudeva, who, when making Hindi movies, brings that Southie swagger to the filmmaking itself.
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Anuja
June 9, 2014
Venkatesh, I am NOT a Vijay fan and you are right about his films being pitiful (if he explores his butt fetish one more time on the big screen, I will have to be physically restrained from tearing it down). However, Vijay is usually the best thing about those crappy films and if the same films get made with different heroes, they wind up sinking to new depths. Remember a certain director called Perarasu who made stinkers like Tirupachi and Sivakasi ? Well said films went on to become blockbusters but when he christened himself the King of commercial cinema or some such jazz and went on to make gems like Palani, etc. with Barath, they all sank without a trace.
My argument is the same thing I say to those people who say Rajini is a star and not an actor like Kamal Haasan, you cannot carry a film on your shoulders only by being stylish, charismatic etc. (Applying that kind of irrefutable logic, male models like John Abraham, Muzamil Ibrahim, Dino Morea et al who are yet to conquer Bollywood, just have to pack their bags and head south of the Vindhyas and Tamil film buffs will worship them on the big screen before helping them into the CM’s office) , at least a modicum of talent is required. Rajini has it in spades whereas the likes of Vijay and STR, while not in his league do not deserve to dismissed as talentless wonders.
And thanks for the flak btw 🙂 I expected it 🙂
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Alpesh Patel
June 9, 2014
i think you are doing a disservice to Vijay.
Prior to Thuppakki I had only seen one Vijay movie. I really like Thuppaki, I thought it dealt with the “how to make the non-Tamil characters understandable” problem much better than Vishwaroopam. I also liked the charisma and swagger of Vijay, and the films effort to make him come across as something larger than life.
Having said that, I can understand that I haven’t suffered the same pain as you from (as far as I can tell) watching the same Vijay performance in different variations of the same film.
Also, to add, I think Akshay Kumar is one of the blandest actors in Bollywood. I cannot fathom how he has managed to survive so long in the industry, worst of all, when he appears in South-Indian style movie, he has no charisma to make the film palatable.
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Sid (@Tweet2Sid)
June 9, 2014
Sudhish Kamath points out the error about calling individual units of people “sleeper cells” in his review here: http://www.thehindu.com/features/cinema/cinema-reviews/holiday-activates-your-sleep-err-cells/article6089058.ece
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MANK
June 9, 2014
@Alpesh, Akshay’s voice is a big problem., its very weak and much more suitable for comedy. so when he starts breaking out into those punch dialogues , it becomes unintentionally funny. that was the biggest problem with OUTIM 2
Actually he had much more style and swagger during his initial stage of stardom. In films like Mohra, main khiladi tu anadi and especially a film like Khiladiyon ka khiladi which was such a dreadful film , but became a super success thanks to him.He lost it after that as his career went into an eclipse for almost a decade until he was rescued by those priydarshan comedies.he always had very gawky body language to begin with and all those roles he did subsequently doesn’t seem to have helped either.
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brangan
June 9, 2014
Anand: I have no shame about re-using the lines, especially in the context of a recycled movie 🙂 When I have made a point earlier, why should I rewrite the whole thing again in different words. Plus, it’s only a few lines…
I think what you say has to do with the hats we wear while watching films. When I watch a Tamil movie, I wear the Tamil-movie hat, and I automatically switch over to a kind of masala mode, which has the swagger etc, that you talk about. And this mode may not work when you are wearing a Hindi-movie hat. Put differently, there are things we enjoy in Tamil movies that we won’t when these same things are in Hindi. It’s a complex set of reasons. Just like there are things that we enjoy in a Hindi film and we won’t — even if exactly reproduced — in a Tamil milieu. Because our mainstream movies are structured around (among other things) actors and images, and these aren’t interchangeable. Just because an actor pulled it off in Tamil doesn’t mean any actor can pull it off in Hindi. A Vijay is a Vijay because there are things he has that an Akshay doesn’t have. Similarly, a Shah Rukh is unique. You cannot remake his films in Tamil and hope to have the same effect, unless you rewrite the role significantly. Because the role, there, was written keeping in mind SRK’s uniqueness. What I’m saying is that here we don’t say “let me write a script and then find a hero who will fit the role.” We say “I have this hero, so let me write a script around him.” So these scripts aren’t really interchangeable. The only exception that comes to mind is when Rajini made a career of remaking Amitabh’s hits. He was never enough of an actor to pull off the dialogue-heavy “Deewar” type of role (his forte was more the strong-and-silent “Mullum Malarum” kind of drama), but the “Don”s and the “Khud-daar”s he did really, really well.
About your other question, I think our directors settle too easily. They don’t push hard enough. Week after week, I see Tamil films that are so badly made, I wonder what interested these people in cinema. Is it just the money? Even the big budget movies look like crap. There’s no staging, no framing. Everything’s at the centre of the screen. It’s terrible. And even the worst Hindi film does good in these departments because they have good cinematographers who know where to put a camera.
With actors too, we lag behind. The supporting actors in Hindi cinema today are outstanding. I think they have theatre backgrounds and are well trained, and they switch easily between commercial films and the more arty fare.
Shankar: Forget the South. They could have gone to Kolkata (as “Yuva” did). Or Jaipur or Amritsar.
Anuja: Let me back you up on this. There are times an actor that you know as not-so-great can still do a thing or two on screen that can work big-time for you. But about your Perarasu point, isn’t the thing also that Vijay is a far bigger star than Bharath? So it’s his stardom that saves these films, no? Also agree with you on STR. He chooses shit films, but when he doesn’t overdo it, he’s got a certain something that a good director can use well. He was quite good in parts of VTV and at the other end of the spectrum, Silambaattam 🙂
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vijay
June 10, 2014
“And even the worst Hindi film does good in these departments because they have good cinematographers who know where to put a camera.”
BR, a little bit surprising don’t you think, considering that the South has always been strong in the technicians department like camera, editing and so on. They are often noticed up North. Maybe the directors are more at fault here
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MANK
June 10, 2014
Much of the technicians working in hindi films are from south especially the cinematographers Santhosh sivan, Ravi k chandran,ravivarman…. so that could not be the reason.Only people to fault could be the directors, but still . is it then the non availability of trained crews. you know the AD’s, lightmen or even state of the art equipments?.That might also hamper a directors vision , not to mention the lack of support from producers and the budgetary constraints that follows.
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Sid (@Tweet2Sid)
June 10, 2014
By the way, Thuppaki had Vidyut Jamwal play the antagonist and it worked.
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Srini
June 10, 2014
@Sid – Complete agreement about Vidyut Jamawal. he was awesome in Thuppaki , one of the best antagonists in a tamil movie in recent times
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Anuja
June 10, 2014
BR!!! The only exception that comes to mind is when Rajini made a career of remaking Amitabh’s hits. He was never enough of an actor to pull off the dialogue-heavy “Deewar” type of role (his forte was more the strong-and-silent “Mullum Malarum” kind of drama), but the “Don”s and the “Khud-daar”s he did really, really well.
How could you say that Rajini was never enough of an actor? Are you on a death wish? I may no longer be the crazy fan I once was when Thalaiva did films like 16 vayathinilae, Moondru mudichu and moondru mugam, heck I remained a fan when he churned out mediocre chum for the fans because he still did stuff like Annamalai, Baasha and Padaiyappa, but even if Shivaji, Enthiran have put me off Rajini for good, I still wanna grab a machete and book a flight to Chennai (your words remember?).
For the love of God! Rajini is a far better actor than the Kamal Hassans and Big Bs of the world. Nobody and I mean nobody can emote the way he can or truly own even the most cringe worthy of dialogues! Parattai vs chappani… He totally stole Kamal’s thunder in about a 10th of the screen time! Big B is brilliant so I’ll admit I was stretching a point there, but Rajini can so take him on!
Take it back BR! Take it back!!!
Oh and thanks for backing me up a little 😊😈
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brangan
June 10, 2014
vijay: The whole “noticed up north” happened after films like “Nayakan” started cleaning up at the awards functions, and once Mani Ratnam and Shankar films started getting dubbed into Hindi, that audience was exposed to sophistication (in MR’s case) and a hyper-grandeur (in Shankar’s case). But you’ll still find that all these technicians did their best work under a strong director who knew what he wanted.
At least till a while ago, we had new filmmakers being ambitious about craft — whether in the Aabavanan days or the RK Selvamani days. Even a horror film like “Yaar” had a modicum of craft. But after the Vijay/Ajith era, it’s become dreadful. Of course, I’m not talking about the handful of new-gen filmmakers. The craft in “Aaranya Kaandam” or “Soodhu Kavvum” was outstanding. I’m talking about the more commercial/mainstream guys, the equivalents of Selvmani etc.
Anuja: I never said Rajini was never enough of an actor. I said he was never enough of an actor… “to pull off the dialogue-heavy “Deewar” type of role (his forte was more the strong-and-silent “Mullum Malarum” kind of drama).” You conveniently ignored the rest of the sentence 🙂 He isn’t the greatest when it comes to dialogue delivery. Stylish stuff, yes — and all the characters you mentioned are stylised characters. But a character like the one in “Deewar” requires the ability to deliver dramatic rhetoric, and that he could never do convincingly. (Some element of style always crept in.) Don’t take my word for it. See “Deewar” and “Thee” side by side.
I’m sorry, but we’ll have to part ways on the whole Rajini versus Kamal thing. Chappani, even today, is a mind-boggling piece of acting — forget the way he moves, just look at the way he stands still! And this was in the 1970s. Un-effing-believable.
If you tell me Rajini is better at punch-worthy dialogues or at owning the screen with charisma, at least, we can begin to have a conversation. But “Rajini is a far better actor than the Kamal Hassan”? Yenna pa!
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MI
June 10, 2014
brangan: About Perarasu, he also made a movie with Ajith called ‘Thirupathi’ which didn’t do well.
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venkatesh
June 11, 2014
Anuja : No flak , just friendly jostling :-).
BR: “Chappani, even today, is a mind-boggling piece of acting — forget the way he moves, just look at the way he stands still! And this was in the 1970s. Un-effing-believable.”
– hear hear.
People who talk about Kamal “overacting” , dont know what acting is.
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Gradwolf
June 11, 2014
I am so glad you mentioned Abhavanan. Now I want to watch Inaintha Kaigal again.
As for Anuja’s statement: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!
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nsranganathan
June 11, 2014
Anuja – “Rajni is a better actor than Kamal”. I’ll grant that acting is a subjective, er, subject and that everyone is entitled to their opinion. Where I believe Kamal is superior is the effort he puts in to give his character credibility. Rajni has found a comfortable niche and turned that into an art form. Even in his so-called “actor” days, he just specialised in playing charismatic negative (or anti-hero) roles. I’ll give him credit for knowing his strengths and working with it. But honestly, he just plays himself in every film. Which isn’t a bad thing, but it doesn’t really make him a great actor.
Kamal, on the other hand, has continued to evolve as an actor. BR’s chappani example is very apt. Even in his commercial roles, there was a certain craft that he employed. Aboorva Sahotharargal for example – Appu’s face looks different from Raja’s. The former looks chubby while the latter looks long. Or MMKR. While watching the movie, I had no difficulty separating the four characters visually (I pick these roles as they were pre Kamal’s obsession with heavy make-up).
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Anuja
June 11, 2014
First things first, MI thanks for reminding me about Thirupathi. It would have illustrated my point better. See BR? Ajith has star power comparable to Vijay’s but he needs a script like Vaali or Aasai to really make his role sing!
That was just a warm up for the brouhaha so Gradwolf, you wanted a fight you got one! Let us settle this once and for all! Kamal Haasan is a fine actor, I am not denying it but then again he graduated with honours from what BR calls the ‘Look Ma! I am acting”(I call it the ‘Gimme an effing Oscar for the performance dammit!’ ) school of acting. His Chappani was a superlative effort but it fell short for me, especially since Parattai had him for breakfast and disgorged him unceremoniously from his nether end.
Now let us talk about the craft NSranganathan mentioned. KH’s craft tends to rely on the inordinate amount of unnecessary props he seems to have an inordinate passion for to cobble together a mostly unsatisfying performance. Aboorva Sagothargal is a classic example (I loved that film btw, but his continued obsession with such OTT schticks has been hugely disappointing since then with Dasavatharam being the horrifying culmination of his efforts in that direction)
Rajini on the other hand had a double role in Rajathi Raja, and he dispensed with his rival’s propensity for gimmicks entirely and his craft was still apparent because you could totally separate the two characters visually. Moondru Mugam is another example where he was as effective in a triple role as Kamal was in MMKR. Now if there is anybody out there who can seriously find fault with his Alex Pandian, I promise, there will be blood!
Remember Netrikan? Now compare it with Indian. Rajini’s portrayal of the lecherous father – virtuous son duo was spot on and he did not feel the need to cower behind a veritable wall of prosthetics the way Kamal did in Indian.
So let us say it together now, Rajini CAN act and brilliantly!
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Parattai
June 11, 2014
“…For the love of God! Rajini is a far better actor than the Kamal Hassans and Big Bs of the world. Nobody and I mean nobody can emote the way he can or truly own even the most cringe worthy of dialogues! Parattai vs chappani… He totally stole Kamal’s thunder in about a 10th of the screen time! …”
Anuja: Chummaa pattaiya kelapiteenga! Romba sanTHOsham… Hats off 🙂
BR: Kanaa, adhigamaa yOsikkira aambalaiyum, adhigamaa yOsikkaadha pombalaiyum…
Idhu eppidi irukku 😉
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Gradwolf
June 11, 2014
Nowadays we go for Rahman-Raaja and Federer-Nadal. What a relief we are back to Rajini-Kamal. NOT!
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Parattai
June 11, 2014
“…Aboorva Sahotharargal for example – Appu’s face looks different from Raja’s. The former looks chubby while the latter looks long. Or MMKR. While watching the movie, I had no difficulty separating the four characters visually …”
Maattram ondru thaan maaraadhadhu! Idhukku pOi alatikkalaamaa?! 🙂
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brangan
June 11, 2014
And the BR Prize for Most Entertaining Comments of this Month goes to… Parattai 🙂
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Gradwolf
June 11, 2014
First of all no one is debating whether Rajini can or cannot act Rajini is a fantastic actor. I am more disappointed we are talking Alex Pandiyan and Rajaathi Raja when there is Thalapathi.
Anuja: It’s true Kamal has/had a befuddling preference for prosthetics in the last two decades or so but picking on Aboorva Sagodharargal is a bit much. Don’t you think the whole effect of the film crumbles down if one of the Kamals wasn’t a dwarf? I am not even going to say he “acted” superbly in that role. But that role hardly comes under over-the-top performances. It’s in the film for a reason and not because Kamal wanted to show off. I’ll just link to someone who’s said it better than anyone else: http://www.allthingskamal.info/blog/2007/10/29/good-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-1971
That’s about AS though. On the larger topic here, hariyum sivanum onnu, ariyathavar vaila mannu!
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KayKay
June 11, 2014
Anuja, I checked with the nearest Blood Bank before posting this. They assure me they have stock for my Blood Group, as I’m sure I’ll be spilling copious amounts of the Red Stuff for what I’m about to say 🙂
When I read your comment “Rajni is a better actor than Kamal”, I had a fleeting suspicion that you may be a Long Banished Troll in disguise (since he used to post comments like Murugadoss was a better director than Christopher Nolan just to stir shit up) but then abandoned the thought because you display a far greater wit and adherence to the rudiments of good writing then he ever did 🙂
So, with the greatest of respect for your opinions, I gotta say: HELL NO!
As nsranganathan mentioned above, Rajini’s strength has always been his ability to play anti-heroes. And in your specific 16 Vayathinile example, Parattai was a role that played to this particular strength of his. I’ll go so far as to say, he could have done it with his eyes closed and a hand tied behind his back.
Which is why Moondru Mudichu was such an awesome debut for him. KB did the gutsy (for that time) move to kill off his “traditional” hero (Kamal) and prop up his anti-hero up and centre for the rest of the movie and Rajini nailed it.
His single greatest achievement has been to parlay that cocky, sneering swagger into the more traditional hero role.
Even today, observe his smile and there’s always a remnant of a sneer to it, that “I don’t believe I get paid for this s@#$” quality to it. Observe his eyes in close-ups. Classic “bedroom eyes”, the type that belong to a man on a mission to divest virgins of their prized cherries. Hallmarks of a man born to play a terrific villain, which is sadly a thing of the distant past. But in sheer range, awesome versatility and command of the language (and here even you have to concede that Rajini’s Tamil is Schwarzenegger’s English: it’s unmistakably his but it’s not the way it should be spoken), Kamal is Proust to Rajini’s Dumas.
Yeah Kamal loves his prosthetics, but movies like Mahanadhi proved he didn’t need them. In the final hour of MMKR, when all 4 Kamals looked alike, did you have ANY trouble telling them apart? Didn’t thinks so.
And now I enter the realm of True Blasphemy:
Is the Alex Pandian flashback in Moondru Mugam a slice of delirious entertainment? Absolutely. But the character is a grotesque caricature, all of Rajini’s cocky swagger and arrogant machismo dialled up to an 11. Every movement was exaggerated, every utterance a punch line. The smartest move on the part of the writers was in recognizing that such an OTT character would work well only as a minor role. 2.5 hours in Alex Pandian’s company would have convinced me Rajini was going for an obvious parody of the Tough Cop role as opposed to the real thing. And it’s a pity that all this Alex Pandian love often overshadows my favourite performance in MM: Senthamarai’s Ekambaram.
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Rahul
June 11, 2014
Can we have a key for Parattai’s comment, please?
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Madan
June 11, 2014
I do think Kamal is in the “look ma, I am acting” category but Aboorva Sagotharargal is not one of the examples imo, esp not Appu. It’s one of the few times he used body language and his eyes superbly to convey the emotion, especially to depict the transformation from Appu the gullible, persecuted dwarf to Appu the menacing avenging angel. One of his best roles and my personal favourite. I agree with nsranganathan that Rajini tends to play himself. This holds good for Kamal too to a large extent, more so these days but there have at least been times when he stretched himself and got into character. The difference between the two is Rajini cleverly plays by his strengths and sticks to what works best for him while Kamal is very ambitious and often places himself in roles/situations that he doesn’t necessarily etch very well.
On the larger discussion of Tamil vis a vis Hindi movies, firstly, there does seem to be more idol worship of actors in TN compared to the Hindi audience. Even the biggest Bollywood superstars like Rajesh Khanna had a relatively short peak phase compared to Kamal or Rajini. Notice that even as Thala or Ilayadhalapathi have firmly established themselves as superstars, Kamal and Rajini continue to have a solid market. You don’t have this kind of loyalty in Bollywood and where there is star loyalty, scripts will tend to get written for the star rather than for an actor. The other thing is a lot of times there is something lost in translation from Tamil to Hindi and I am not sure that that’s necessarily down to us Tamils clinging on too tightly to very local nuances. How, for instance, could Kalyanji Anandji completely butcher the uber cool, jazzy feeling of Ilaya Nila when they recorded Nile Nile Ambar? I wonder if sometimes there is an over confidence in Bollywood that they know how to cook up some Hindi masala out of whatever they import and perhaps end up neglecting crucial aspects that defined the original. Because…it’s not just Tamil remade into Hindi, anybody game for some Deewangee? 😛
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venkatesh
June 11, 2014
What is this 1990 – we are now back to Kamal vs Rajini is it ?
Isnt this debate now just redundant ?
Parattai: patha vechitiaye…….
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brangan
June 11, 2014
nsranganathan: Forget the later films. By then, he was expected to do these great things, and he more often than not did these things. Plus, a lot of these films also got heavier in tone, so they naturally gave scope for “acting.” My fascination for Kamal comes from the early, lighter films like “Kokila” and “16 Vayadhinile” and “Rajapaarvai” and “Sigappu Rojakkal” — I mean, here you have this grand tradition of cinema where everyone worships the Sivaji style of acting, and you come and do the hair-cutting scene in “Kokila,” the casual wooing of the heroine in “Sigappu Rojakkal”, the titanic self-effacement of “Avargal” (with just the teensiest bit of theatricality, befitting a ventriloquist)…
Just see how he acts in the “Azhage azhagu devathai” song sequence. You see him enjoying the words, the music, the fact that he’s thinking up these descriptions on the spot — it’s so fresh even today. Song-acting is one of the toughest things, and he consistently used to ace this. This man single-handedly brought in naturalism to Tamil screen acting. This is not to say he didn’t do the “look ma I’m acting” kinda roles. But there’s such a treasure trove of the unfussy acting he’s done in the pre-prosthetics days, it’s unbelievable…
Anuja: Are we seriously… I mean, seriously, comparing “Aboorva Sagotharargal” and “Rajadhi Raja”?
To take a leaf from Parattai… Un nenjai thottu sollu… 🙂
KayKay: Fantastic comment, but “Aboorva Raagangal” was his debut, not “Moondru Mudichu.”
Theek hai? 🙂
Rahul: The comments are playful concatenations of Rajini catchphrases — can translate, but they won’t serve a purpose unless you know them.
Madan: “Aboorva Sagotharargal is… one of the few times he used body language and his eyes superbly to convey the emotion…”
ONE of the few times… One of the FEW times… Did you seriously say “One of the few times…”?
how could Kalyanji Anandji completely butcher the uber cool, jazzy feeling of Ilaya Nila when they recorded Nile Nile Ambar
I prefer “Ilaya nila,” and it’s the better song, but I don’t see any “butchering” in the Hindi version. They grafted the Raja-mood (of the Spanish guitar) into a traditional Hindi-film-song template, and I see it as a reworking for a particular audience. Yes, they got lazy and repeated the interludes, but the flamenco-ey guitaring is damn good and Kishore sings the whole thing beautifully. It’s an upbeat number, and at least to my ears, nothing sounds “butchered.”
venkatesh: You mean Kamal-Rajini fights stopped in 1990? :-p
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Aseema
June 12, 2014
Whenever I see Kamal play a ‘look ma I’m acting’ scene, I get the feeling that Kamal the movie maker getting in the way of Kamal the actor. Rather than sticking to method and playing to character, his idea of what the audience needs to see seems to influence these choices. This could explain why this started happening later in his career just as he started influencing the making of his movies. I also remember from an interview about Moondram Pirai how Balu Mahendra wanted to have a subdued finish to keep with the tone of the rest of the movie and Kamal insisted that they needed a flourish at the end.
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Madan
June 12, 2014
I do say so. I think his Charlie Chaplin obsession hampered his acting when he was NOT doing comedy (where I think he is the best of any lead actor from both Tamil and Hindi). Every scene does not have to be enacted in painful detail. But understatement was never his forte. There may have been scenes where he used both laboured dialogue delivery AND body language to project emotion but I am thinking of cases where it was only the second. I cannot think of very many, sorry. Usually his dialogue delivery somewhat marred the effect for me because it sounds so affected, at least to me.
About Neele Neele Ambar, fair enough and I disagree. I don’t think the chords need to be changed just because it’s a reworking. As in Western compositions, chords are at the heart of a Raja song, especially Ilaya Nila, and they should be used or at least something that conveys a similar effect. I am sorry to say that KA reflected the typical Indian mindset of ignoring harmony as if it is some peripheral, decorative additive and not a layer that is integral to the emotions of the original song. Also, Kishore was aging and his voice was starting to sound pretty heavy and weary by then while SPB was at his peak so that didn’t help. Not that they had too many options other than Kishore by then in Hindi.
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Shankar
June 12, 2014
Overheard in an overflowing queue, on one hot day, in a dusty theatre in Madurai…..unga aalu karuppa nadichaaru, kullama nadichaaru, rocket vechu nadichaaru, kurudana nadichaaru, jatti pottu nadichaaru…aana collection yaarukku?
And thus such fights continue… 🙂
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Shankar
June 12, 2014
BTW, isn’t Neele Neele Ambar by Bappida? Another one of his inspirations? Also, the scene in that song is pretty much the same as Ilaya Nila…with Kunal Goswami strumming away. And yes, the original does get squeezed into a Hindi song template…pity! The bass parts, the chord progressions…all lost in translation!
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nsranganathan
June 12, 2014
BR – Ah, Sigappu Rojakkal. What a performance! The sheer menace he conveys when he visits Sri Devi’s thuni kadai to buy a hand-kerchief is absolutely rocking.
One of my old favourites was also “Meendum Kokila”. The bumbling-tambram-turned-straying-husband act was pitch-perfect. Remember the “Ponnana Meni” song where he spoofs Sudhakar?
And then of course there was Vikram…
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Mambazha Manidhan
June 12, 2014
Funny how the review thread for Holiday has transformed into a Rajini-Kamal fight. Funny that a review for Holiday has turned into a Rajini- Kamal debate.
Also, I can’t believe how much the gap between Rajini and Kamal has widened over the past few years. Rajini was always the superstar little ahead of Kamal and the rest of the pack.
But, now the brand Rajinikanth has grown like yanything and Rajini is considered a national treasure, character and icon by people all over India (even by those who can’t name one film of his to save their lives) for reasons outside his purview , but Kamal Haasan is considered just a ‘ good actor’.
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brangan
June 12, 2014
Shankar, etc: At least from my side, this isn’t a FIGHT. I don’t subscribe to the theory that to be a fan of one person you have to hate the other one. I like both in varying degrees. I was just interested in discussing the acting aspect that Anuja brought up.
PS: Why do we see these as fights and not discussions, or exchanges of a POV? Whether I am replying to Madan about “Neele neele ambar par” or to Anuja about Rajini, I am doing so in the spirit of a conversation. Maybe I should add more emoticons 🙂
Madan: To me, it feels like you are saying “this is a great song, but the things that made it great weren’t retained in the other song, so the other song is bad.”
I completely agree with you about the “this is a great song” part. What I don’t see is why Kalyanji-Anandji HAD to retain Raja’s structure? They were inspired by the song, they took what they wanted from it, and went in another direction. Now I can understand if you say “the direction they took didn’t work for me.” But you seem to be saying “the song works ONLY one way.”
To take a Raja example, the opening line of “Darling Darling Darling” is exactly that of “Sunny”, which is a disco number. I think the disco elements are the USP of that song, but why is Raja obliged to follow that pattern? He is a free creator. He can do whatever he wants. The end result is what we should judge, no? Instead of saying ” “Darling Darling Darling” doesn’t have those wacka-chaka disco beats and so the original song has been butchered.” I know I’m generalising here but you get the point.
reflected the typical Indian mindset of ignoring harmony as if it is some peripheral, decorative additive
And so what? Why should harmony only be used one way? The criterion shouldn’t be “harmony was used, alas, as a peripheral, decorative additive” but whether “the use of harmony as a peripheral, decorative additive WAS DONE WELL.”
I am not the greatest fan of “Neele neele ambar par…” It’s fun and bouncy, but why would anyone listen to it when there’s “Ilaya nila…”? So that part I get completely. I just find your evaluation criteria somewhat odd.
Mambazha Manidhan: Yes, of course. Brand Rajini today >>>> Brand Kamal, when you consider pan-India. But I think we’re just discussing personal acting preferences here. Let me add an emoticon here 🙂
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Rahini David
June 12, 2014
Mambazha Manidhan: Very true and very weird. I have a theory that Rajini became a meme and people can’t compete with memes.
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Anuja
June 12, 2014
I agree with BR. This is not a fight but merely a healthy exchange of opposing ideas. Admitted the discussion got a tad heated when I got carried away and threatened to spill the blood of the blasphemous in this motley group of BR acolytes. Some like KayKay felt threatened enough to insure the well-being of their delicate behinds, before committing sacrilege. But all things considering, I think we have all conducted ourselves with dignity befitting the nature of this forum (wink! :)) given the nature of this topic which can lead to rioting in the real world.
Kaykay how can you call the iconic Alex Pandian, a grotesque caricature? Remember that scene where he explains to a cop his feelings for his job… about how he respects it more than his mother, loves it more than his wife and cares for it more than his unborn child? I get goose – flesh every time I see that scene and sob unashamedly into my tissue (And I am the sort of person who rolls her eyes like a slot machine when confronted with any display of extreme mawkishness). And you preferred Ekambaram!!! (I’ll admit he was decent, albeit grudgingly because I prayed for his character to die a horrific death) You are so going to burn in hell!
BR you are absolutely right, song – acting is one of the toughest things but it is Rajini who consistently aces this! Allow me to draw your attention to the pathos he brought into the Oora Purijikittaen track (Padikathavan), the intensity of a Konji Konji (Veera) or the more recent Sakthi kodu (baba) which was so beautifully flavoured with his fervour… How can you be so blind to his magnificence? It makes me want to pry your eyelids open with a crowbar!!!
Even you Kamal fans have to admit that nobody has a better comic timing than Thalaivaa… Remember Thillu Mullu or the fabulous physical comedy in Thambikku Entha Ooru? Its always touch and go with KH. He was fabulous in MMKR, but in his comedies he almost always goes overboard and ruins it ( Kadhala Kadhala, Pammal K, Panchatantiram).
Another point I wish to clarify is that I think KH was brilliant in Aboorva Sagodhargal. His novel gimmick paid off in a big way but since it was such a success, I blame the film for his subsequent obsession with every kind of stupid cinematic shtick ever conceived.
Madan and I are clearly in agreement regarding the affectations he brings to most of his characters thereby selling it short. And I never understood the fuss over Mahanidhi, it was vinage KH with the character self – destructing in loserville and wallowing in self – pity, stopping just short of breaching the fourth wall and insisting the audience cry even if he has to poke them in the eye to make them oblige.
Finally, Kaykay… ‘you display a far greater wit and adherence to the rudiments of good writing’. Errr… thanks a bunch, I write for a living 🙂 My publishers are going to be so ecstatic 🙂 🙂
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KayKay
June 12, 2014
B, I stand corrected!
Venkatesh, is there an expiry date to these debates?
Hell, among my circle of movie geeks, the Pacino Vs De Niro debate has raged on for decades!
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venkatesh
June 12, 2014
KayKay , BR: I humbly submit that entertaining though they are, there is no fresh insight into these debates. – everyone takes their standard position and then regurgitates the same.
Anuja: “the intensity of a Konji Konji (Veera) or the more recent Sakthi kodu (baba) which was so beautifully flavoured with his fervour…”
– I have heard a lot of things , Konji konji and intensity.. amma unga kaal engae….
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vimal
June 12, 2014
*Adding fuel to the wildfire*
@ Anuja : How could you forget Rajnis ‘Ammaavendrazhaikkaada uyirillaye’??? Now compare that with Kamals ‘Naanaaga naanillai thaaye’ , and we will know who is better!! Hell, we could feel his pain, even when he didnt lip sync – ‘Chinna thaayaval’ !!!!
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punit _Modified (@punit_online)
June 12, 2014
for me @ Kamal hasan is one of the best actors in any indian language ! The day some one give a better performance than what KH gave in nayagan and Pushpaka Vimana. i will accept defeat ! till then KH is the best!!
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Madan
June 12, 2014
BR: Of course I meant that it didn’t work for ME specifically and far be it for me to decide what works in general, though on reflection I should have perhaps added said disclaimer to be abundantly clear. I know that anything goes in art and even Atif singing Ilaya Nila would ‘work’ for at least his hard core fans.
From my personal view point, yes, I do think chords are integral to the song. So first of all, moving from an arrangement with great chords to one with only rudimentary harmony at best and without any enhanced intricacy in the melody already greatly dilutes the adaptation. And secondly in the specific case of Ilaya Nila, the very thing that made it so revolutionary was these authentically Western arrangements were wedded to an intricate Indian melody. By just throwing the chords out of the window, they did not do justice to the work they were adapting. Which is same as the case in Deewangee. I understand it is an attempt to appeal to a certain sensibility which is different from that of the intended audience of the original work. But the Hindi adaptation should then at least meet the spirit of the original half way (which then creates interesting possibilities and offers something fresh) otherwise it just falls flat, especially for those familiar with the original work. In the same vein, Ilayaraja may borrow ideas from Sunny (or, he may not! beyond a point) to make Darling however he wants but the question is whether the idea of adapting another work adds anything at all to the new creation. If it just dissolves into the general masala pile, it’s a waste…again, all IMO.
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Madan
June 12, 2014
One more point, if the original has harmony that is integral to the composition and the adaptation only uses it as some periphery, I do wonder how it can be done ‘well’ at all. When I say it is integral, it means it is an indispensable element of the composition so it can be modified up to an extent but if it is completely removed without an alternative harmonic layer that is equally integral with different notes altogether, then something is missing. The new song then feels incomplete, at least for me.
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Anuja
June 12, 2014
Yeah Vimal, thanks!
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Shankar
June 12, 2014
Baddy, of course, these are discussions. i was only referring to them tongue and cheek as fights (did you miss the emoticon I had on that line?) 🙂 ….back when we were kids, it was always referred to as Kamal-Rajni sandai!
Also, on Neele Neele Ambar, isn’t that Bappi Lahiri’s song? Why do you guys keep referring to it as Kalyanji-Anandji’s? I respect that composers are free to improvise on the originals..and in this case, the stanza tunes do sound markedly different and the whole arrangement is different as well. But well, it’s probably ages since I’ve listened to Neele Neele Ambar like maybe it first came out…that tells you where my preference is! 🙂 Here’s my problem…I love the originals because I feel the composer created the song at that moment according to that particular situation. For example, even though there are no changes in the arrangement, I like Yuva better than Ayutha Ezhuthu simply because I feel it fits the Hindi mould better (just my opinion)…same with Dil Se and Uyire! So, when a song gets transposed to another language by the same composer or otherwise, it’s hard for me to appreciate it as a standalone work and look at it that way. If I had never heard the original, then it’s probably a different story because I wouldn’t know better! Again, this is just my personal opinion and preference.
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Madan
June 13, 2014
Shankar: Both raaga.com and imdb credit Neele neele ambar par as Kalyanji Anandji’s song. There seems to be a mistake in the wiki article on Ilaya Nila which mentions Bappi Lahiri as the composer. Also, it is widely believed that in ‘exchange’ for KA using Ilaya Nila, Ilayaraja used Kasme Wade to compose Kanavu Kaanum. So this is the first I am hearing of Bappi recording Neele neele ambar.
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Gradwolf
June 13, 2014
@Shankar Rajini Kamal sandai will only remind me of jikkujikkanjikkujikkan jikkan now!
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hari
June 13, 2014
Yeah seriously when some one give a better performance than what KH gave in nayagan then I will concede defeat. Sharvananukku bayamen !!!!
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Govardhan Giridass
June 13, 2014
@Parattai Kamal-in deepam ondru etrinai nee yen nenjil…
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rnjbond
June 15, 2014
Well, I looked forward to reading your review.
But it’s a bit alienating to those of us that never saw the original.
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burcidi
June 15, 2014
Originals are almost always better than remakes. It might just be the “original” phenomenon… because I have already processed and accepted that film the way it was in the original, so the change in cast/performances/dialogues/locations make me uneasy… like some street seller is trying to sell me a pair of fake nikes. And when a big star makes a film, that film “belongs” to that actor, like a signature creation although he’s just acting in it. I still refuse to acknowledge that Salman remade a Pokiri, a Stalin.
Heropanti was really surprising because I actually enjoyed that remake. The original was still better, but the remake was watchable as well. Possibly because Allu Arjun is not as big a star as Chiranjeevi or Vijay?
But I do agree that the “hero-worshipping” does sometimes taint South moviegoers perception of a film. I feel this often when my Telugu friend tells me that a film is awesome and a must-watch, but I find the film barely watchable with a million faults.
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