On the great shallow pleasures of gawking at beautiful people on screen, and the problems when they pretend they’re otherwise.
When the minute-and-a-half teaser for Karan Johar’s upcoming Ae Dil Hai Mushkil was released in August, I froze at the thirty-second mark, the point where Aishwarya Rai Bachchan, in a salmon-pink coat, turns to the camera and does that hair-tossing thing. Two seconds later, she does a salaam. It’s no mere salaam. It’s a salaam that says “I challenge you to find another person who’ll look this good doing a salaam.” Later, we see her with Ranbir Kapoor, ambling along in Prague or Copenhagen or wherever. She’s a vision in white. There’s no evidence she’s almost a decade older. Suddenly, Sarbjit and Jazbaa make sense. Who’s going to take you seriously when you look like this? Hence the screeching and screaming, the peasant clothes, the red-eyed acting. What irony! We buy tickets for her films because she looks the way she does, because beauty like this can only exist in the world circumscribed by the movie screen. And there she is, trying to prove she’s like the rest of us.
Should movie goddesses (and gods) be allowed to play people like you and me? This isn’t a legal question. Who can stop them? And if they are convincing in the part, then isn’t the question moot? This is an ethical question. Is it fair? Is it in good taste? Because when an actress deglamourises herself, she’s essentially saying, “Look, I can be ugly too.” The most famous of these instances is probably Charlize Theron, the face of Christian Dior, transforming herself into the serial killer of Monster. A cnn.com puff piece cooed, “For actress Charlize Theron, turning ugly for her role in ‘Monster’ was reasonably easy: a little make-up to freckle her clear complexion, a set of crooked teeth to yellow her pearly smile and a diet of potato chips to bulk up her slender frame.” So they couldn’t find a chubby actress with freckles and bad teeth? Or consider thirty-three-year-old Elizabeth Taylor in Who’s Afraid of Virgina Woolf?, having to play Edward Albee’s “large, boisterous woman, fifty-two.”
It’s easy to see why Taylor was cast in Woolf. Or why Priyanka Chopra was given “Oriental eyes” to play the title role in Mary Kom. The story isn’t just what’s in the movie. The story is also the “transformation,” the way the actress looks before and after the film, on red carpets. Searching for clips of Theron winning the Best Actress Academy Award for Monster, I landed at a site named stylebistro.com, which featured Theron in a slideshow titled The Best Oscar Gowns of the Decade. “Theron showed off her toned, tanned skin in a glittering gold Gucci gown (she’d just returned from a trip to Brazil). The actress looked ravishing as she accepted her Best Actress award…” If a plain-looking actress played this part, she’s just giving a performance. Theron is also giving the PR guys a great selling point.
Which is why it’s so wonderful watching Aishwarya in the Ae Dil… teaser. We don’t have to wring our hands about how a less glamorous-looking (and possibly more talented) actress was gypped out of a part, simply because she did not have the requisite star power, the same audience-pulling power. We don’t have to get offended by the pre-release publicity machine stories of how the poor thing “deglammed” herself, rubbed coal on her face and completely gave up conditioner to make her look like us. We don’t have to think about why charismatic but plain-looking actors like Nawazuddin Siddiqui will never be cast in the Ranbir Kapoor role in Ae Dil…, though Siddiqui will be the first choice for the serial killer in Raman Raghav 2.0 – as though conventionally good-looking people cannot be murderers. With something like Ae Dil Hai Mushkil, we are just asked to bask in beauty. We watch the lushly mounted film to take a break from our homes. We watch these actors to take a break from our mirrors.
Which isn’t to say Ae Dil… may not have anything else going for it. It may turn out to be a really good movie. But the quality of a film is about depth. The attractiveness of its stars, on the other hand, is one of the great shallow pleasures of movie-going. I laugh every time I recall VA Smith’s Akbar, the Great Mogul (1542-1605) and its description of the monarch as “a man of moderate stature… His legs were somewhat bowed inwards from the effect of much riding in boyhood, and when walking he slightly dragged the left leg, as if he were lame… His head drooped a little towards the right shoulder… The nose was of moderate size, rather short, with a bony prominence in the middle… A small wart about half the size of a pea connected the left nostril with the upper lip…” Not quite Hrithik Roshan, was he?
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10yearslate
October 22, 2016
There ought to be a name for this syndrome. Case in point being ‘Frankie & Johny’. This was an otherwise successful off-broadway play about two down-and-outers working in a greasy-spoon diner. The producers might have thought the prowess of Al Pacino and Michelle 5-for (in-joke among us cricket tragics) would have raised this tale even further. But no, if anything, their star-power and looks detracted from the essentially ordinary looking Joe & Jane characters.
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MANK
October 22, 2016
Brangan, Aiswarya can work in a deglam mode – as in Raincoat, The wife character in iruvar or even in kandokondein kandokondein – but still cast in the dream girl mode or as the unattainable one for its heroes – devgan,mohanlal or mammootty.
But you are right about jazba or sarabjith. There was no way she was going to pull them off
And lol about the description of Akbar. Leave alone Hrithik, even nawazuddin would be too glamorous for that part
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MANK
October 22, 2016
Regarding,virginia Woolf, I think black and white is more conducive for pretty ladies turning ugly. I wasn’t at all distracted by the change in Taylor’s appearance . Not like watching Monster or the Hours where Nicole Kidman had a fake nose. Also, I thought that Taylor gave a superb performance in the film.even though the role looks too close to home for comfort
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Subhash
October 22, 2016
One of the best things in your write-ups is how you end them. The Akbar thing, the ‘PR’ effect were surely witty. Leave the taller, thin and well dressed Hrithik for a while. Was the ageing Prithviraj Kapoor authentic enough in Mughal-e-Azam as per the description by Smith? Or, in Mayabazar, was N. T. Rama Rao authentic enough as Krishna if the descriptions in the scriptures were considered? If looks really mattered, performances like these would have never been immortal.
BTW, wasn’t a young and good-looking SRK cast as a cold-blooded murderer in Baazigar and a creepy figure in Darr and Anjaam? Or for that matter, didn’t we see Irrfan Khan with Deepika Padukone in Piku?
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Shalini
October 22, 2016
Confession: I haven’t watched a Karan Johar film in the theater since his debut, KKHH, but I intend to see Ae Dil Hai Mushkil on the big screen. Why? Because, oh the pretty!
Btw, that coat isn’t salmon-pink, it’s coral and I’m going to get me one. 🙂
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Anu Warrier
October 22, 2016
as though conventionally good-looking people cannot be murderers.
And with that one sentence, you stand your own argument on its head, no? When the audience is not willing to accept good-looking actors play ‘ordinary’ characters, and carp on how less-conventionally-attractive actors were ‘gypped’ of their due, then you can’t also argue that beautiful actors are cast in parts that showcase their looks.
as though conventionally good-looking people cannot be murderers.
I laughed at this. My friend, whose sister is a historian, tells me that her sister says that after Jodhaa Akbar, she was always disappointing people when she pointed out that the real Akbar was nothing like Hrithik. Said historian is also waiting for the time when History text books will show Hrithik’s character from the film in the chapter on Akbar.
But this is not limited to our cinema. When Lawrence of Arabia was released, one reviewer’s comment was (I’m paraphrasing here): ‘“It’s typical of Hollywood that they would choose the tallest star (Peter O’Toole) in Hollywood to play the shortest man in history.”
p.s. Public Service Announcement: I wouldn’t use ‘gypped’ if I were you; like the n-word, it has pejorative connotations,
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sravishanker1401gmailcom
October 22, 2016
“It’s a salaam that says “I challenge you to find another person who’ll look this good doing a salaam.” Vow ! What a review for a teaser ! This must be a first
Salmon-Pink…thats the first I’ve heard about this uber-seductive thing.
Way to go !
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SR
October 23, 2016
Ranbir Kapoor has the sexual allure of an ameba.
Nawazuddin Siddiqui has acting prowess and I suspect, will be labelled ‘debonair’ when he’s aged (peppery hair, Brioni tailoring, a few months of prep school/gentrification…). Mr. Johar could have displayed sly wit by ‘Carol’-ing the movie – seems the du jour thing. Per the trailers, Ranbir Kapoor isn’t convincing as a singer, seems more a prisoner than a proprietor of the clothes (the Indian finery he’s showcased in)… glaringly ineffectual/effeminate with a Fawad Khan nearby; voting with my wallet for a Ranbir Kapoor movie is more than pretty ‘mushkil’, it’s namumkin.
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Peacenik
October 23, 2016
Baddie, any thoughts on the thought policing going on about this movie? Everyone and his aunt wants to be on the right side of the patriotic brigade. Overzealous celebration of military valor, a nationalistic party at the helm and a leader with an oversized ego, now where have we seen that before? These are dangerous times, the paranoia and hate that is being whipped up is going to corrupt generations to come. Our movie industry has behaved abominably, when asked to stoop, they grovel. Hard won freedoms cannot be sacrificed without a fight. Write something.
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Anu Warrier
October 23, 2016
Sorry, my cut-and-paste failed, and I didn’t catch it before posting. The second ‘as though conventional….’ was meant to be BR’s last line – Not quite Hrithik Roshan, was he?’
@Peacenik – I can’t blame KJo for grovelling. What was he going to do? They were holding his film to ransom a week before its release. If you knew the MNS thugs, you wouldn’t dismiss the reason for his grovelling so easily. Just take a look at the comments under the YouTube clip of his apology speech. It’s insane.
I also don’t understand why the film-makers who signed the Pakistani artistes (way before Uri) are faulted but not the government that gave them visas to work here. Or why Modi is given a pass for visiting Pakistan the same time that Ae Dil Hai Mushkil was being shot. What? KJo should have been prescient about what might happen in the future between our two countries? Remember Kamal Hassan who had to face charges of being anti-national for shooting Hey Ram? Or anti-Muslim for Vishwaroopam?
Today, we are being held to ransom over the stupidest of things. Say anything, do anything, and someone, somewhere, is being offended. Pop patriotism is even worse. Who amongst these idiots making the most noise pays an iota of attention to the plight of our soldiers otherwise? It’s not our movie industry that’s behaving abominably; it’s the people who are attacking them under the pretext of nationalism (jingoism?) who are doing so.
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sravishanker1401gmailcom
October 23, 2016
Peacenik : Anu s comment says it all.
The film industry used to grovel before Dawood and Abu Salem.
This is no different I reckon
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Peacenik
October 23, 2016
@Anu – I agree that trying to talk sense to the MNS cretins is futile, but at least Kamal Hassan showed some spine. KJo seems to accept guilt when there is none. One needs to differentiate between the state and the citizens of the state, how is painting all Pakistanis as villains going to help our cause? As you rightly said, pop patriotism is very much in fashion, now we are all supposed to send text messages to our soldiers. next what, inform on those who don’t shout Bharat mata ki jai? Orwell must be spinning in his grave.
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vishwakant
October 23, 2016
Is it just me or is aishwarya rai intolerable as soon as she opens her mouth or is posing as if to say “look at me…this is the most beautiful person you can see”…..even in the Ratnam movies where she is supposed to have performed well….she somehow manages to make me get the chalk board scratch sound kind of feeling for the eyes… which is what makes me fear rai …..I am sure the after watching the movie …the feeling is going to be…it might have been good if only Rai could act.
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Madan
October 23, 2016
@ Peacenik: Whilst I agree as such about grovelling, I would go further and say that not just has the film industry grovelled in this instance, they have in fact revealed the existence of a right wing section within them which I have suspected for sometime (it was evident going by who said what during the award wapsi controversy). And it is not just the industry, the reactions of people in general to the aftermath of the surgical strikes have been surreal. The danger is not just of losing personal liberties (and I don’t mean to play down that danger so bear with me), but that our loudmouthed politicians and other keyboard/verbal warriors will land us in trouble with China. F***ing stop chest thumping because Pakistan is not some videogame enemy to just meekly submit. In this regard, I think KJo did well to hold out for as long as he did though, to state the obvious, the only one who really came out looking good was Anurag Kashyap. Salaam! NS actually took a shocking stand against Pakistani artists and got his comeuppance when Shiv Sena got him taken off the Ramleela. Which was even more bizarre – if you want them to constantly reinforce their allegiance to India and dislike their practicing Muslim laws in the country but don’t also let them assimilate in Hindu culture, what are they supposed to do, really?
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Madan
October 23, 2016
“Is it just me or is aishwarya rai intolerable as soon as she opens her mouth or is posing as if to say “look at me…this is the most beautiful person you can see”” – Agreed, I prefer to look at Ash in stills and then NOT in her Cannes outfits. I am increasingly having the same problem with DP, especially so in Bajirao where her attempts at dramatic old style dialogue delivery fell flat. Huge disconnect between her face that launched a thousand ships personality and the personality that her flat, casual speaking voice projects.
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sravishanker1401gmailcom
October 23, 2016
What seems to be plain and obvious seems to have been blown out of proportion. If Bollywood feared Abu Salem and kowtowed to Dawood surely Pakistani artistes dederve to fear for their loved ones back home from JeM and their ilk.
Is that so difficult to understand ?
Anyway even as we speak the army has put the issue to rest by slamming the MNS
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MANK
October 23, 2016
but at least Kamal Hassan showed some spine. KJo seems to accept guilt when there is none.*
Kamal’s case is different, he was not accused of being a traitor or unpatriotic. which explained the overwhelming public support he received
KJO is standing trial for all those things including letting pak actors steal the livelihood of indians.Any body who raises voice in his support is also labelled unpatriotic. how can he hold out for long under such circumstances with almost 100 crore of his money on the line.why blame us alone . Look what happened in US of A post 9\11. the kind of jingoism and xenophobia that preceded can put any dictatorship or monarchy to shame.
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Madan
October 23, 2016
“If Bollywood feared Abu Salem and kowtowed to Dawood surely Pakistani artistes dederve to fear for their loved ones back home from JeM and their ilk.” – Indeed, I remember after the WC 2011 match, Afridi said to the Indian press that he was bowled over by the love he had received and did not understand why India and Pak had to hate each other. He was forced to walk back his comments the moment he landed in Pak and said something to the effect that unka dil apna jaisa bada nahi hai. In fact, I just now learnt he again got into trouble after this year’s World T20 match. Putting Pak artists on the spot about terror was wrong in the first place and then asking for a boycott because they wouldn’t say anything (they didn’t praise the attacks either, by the by) was even more ridiculous. Even if suppose it is true that they or at least some of them do agree with Pak’s death by a thousand cuts strategy, did not the whole of India cheer Modi for bringing up Baloch in his I Day address? And what do we think Baloch really means or are we going to pretend to see no evil? It’s politics and mixing it with art is stupid. What is even more stupid though is the way we just flip flop and blow hot and cold. Either have an embargo for good or just accept that business must carry on as usual regardless of the cross-border activities.
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Peacenik
October 23, 2016
@sravishanker: that sounds like a strawman argument to me.
@ Madan: yes indeed. War mongering is a classic tactic to whip up hysteria and cover up failings. Unfortunately this government does not need to do that, they have an unbeatable parliamentary majority, a fawning population and a pliable press. The damage they inflict on the collectic consciousness of the society for short term electoral gains is irreparable. We are marching like the lemmings towards a precipice with no end. Maybe I’m just being paranoid here, this country is too big and too mature to fall prey to these shenanigans, or is it?
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venkatesh
October 23, 2016
Oh this : “wasn’t a young and good-looking SRK cast as a cold-blooded murderer in Baazigar and a creepy figure in Darr and Anjaam? ”
It might come as a surprise however SRK was not considered good-looking in his younger days. In a famous incident of that time , he was refused entry into a studio as he did not look like a hero. This after Deewana had come out.
His claim to fame in those days was “Apna Dehli ka ladka”
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Madan
October 23, 2016
@ Peacenik: Indeed, it’s a worrying time. Not even USA could get away with Iraq and we are not USA, we can ill afford so much hubris. Ironically enough, I do think the Modi govt has carried out some important economic reforms even if the performance has been underwhelming vis a vis the expectations. But for this completely irresponsible act of using the army for electioneering, I am definitely not voting BJP in 2019. I don’t care if the economy is booming by then and I don’t care if Muffler Man is the only alternative. But this terrible legacy will need to be repaired and the national outlook returned to a more moderate and sensible position and this leadership does not appear to be capable of that feat. If anything, we will turn even sharper to the right if they come back to power in 2019.
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sravishanker1401gmailcom
October 23, 2016
Peacenik : I confess I dont know what a strawman argument is.
Not saying this in a belligerent way, but I cant think of any other reason why the Pakistani artistes didnt speak up about the terror attack at Uri.
Maybe I’m missing something here.
I agree with you that brinkmanship wont help but we have to draw the line somewhere…slowly but firmly.
This proxy war is more dangerous than an open war and trade and cultural exchanges cant take place in such an environment. But that has to be a conscious strategic decision.
I vehemently disagree with the MNS way.
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Tambi Dude
October 23, 2016
Did I miss something ? I thought the whole ADHM drama was by political parties. Did Govt of India threaten to block ADHM’s release ? Didn’t Rajnath Singh even promise full protection to ensure the safe release of the movie.
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Arjun
October 23, 2016
@peacenik etc: Pakistani artists pay crores of rupees in tax back home which directly feeds the all-powerful military-jihadi complex whose sole aim is to wage jihad against India culminating in ghazwa-e-hind. In case some haven’t noticed, they have indeed been waging a proxy war for a couple of decades that has taken the lives of thousands of Indian soldiers and civilians. So isn’t it common sense to at least stop feeding the enemies with funds? Never heard a proper argument against this…
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ThouShaltNot
October 24, 2016
Madan: That a culture of disparagement of women exists in U.S corporate and Government sectors, wherein professional achievements of women are talked down and their appearance talked up instead should not be surprising. Against that backdrop, it was wrong for a President to speak that way. A misstep. Are there extenuating factors? Sure. That these two are friends (or know each other reasonably well) could have been considered before flaying him. Give him a pass on this and come after him if he repeats it with another woman.
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RSN
October 24, 2016
Indian films, (even if perhaps a substantial part) aren’t the sole source of income for Pakistani actors, and actors aren’t the only people living in Pakistan
The whole terrorist-mafia nexus must be feeding funds exponentially high compared to actors’ taxes
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Madan
October 24, 2016
“Did Govt of India threaten to block ADHM’s release ? ” – They did not and that is why this incident is even more worrying. It shows that jingoism has firmly penetrated the national consciousness at unprecedented levels. There was muted, at best, disagreement with the step of the film producers’ association to ban Pak artists and there was broad agreement that they ‘deserved’ it.
“Pakistani artists pay crores of rupees in tax back home” – And not all of it, not even most of it, is earned from their work in Bollywood. And what about their contribution to making Bollywood songs and films hits? Did Rahat Fateh Ali Khan have absolutely nothing to do with making songs like Dagabaaz hits? So the association is profitable for both. This argument lacks merit. A boycott has to be on principle but if you want to, then keep the boycott in force until the issue is settled. This flip flop leads me to believe that India is as reluctant as Pakistan to solve the Kashmir issue.
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edwardssammy
October 24, 2016
@Arjun, your comment would have made sense if we actually did severe ties with Pakistan. But we haven’t. We still trade with them. In fact, there is a high probability that the onions you cook in your home tonight have come from Pakistan. So why are only the Pak movie stars targeted?
There is a simple reason for that, and you know it. They are easy targets. Anytime some stupid issue comes between these two immature countries, the movie industry is the easiest target. The political parties too know it, and milk it at every instance of any Army operation.
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Mani AJ
October 24, 2016
Way too much is placed and expected out of actors … they entertain (at best) and should be returned to the toy-box after playtime.
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vishwakant
October 24, 2016
@madan DP was and is much better than rai, I did not see Bajirao but in Piku she more than held her own against irfan and bachhan. The problem may be that Aishwarya Rai has been stereotyped to play marble faces.while DP has a choice because of the kind of stories available to her,
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Sifter
October 24, 2016
I kinda liked Aishwarya Rai in the trailer. Don’t know if that’ll still be the case once she starts ‘acting.’
On the discussion of– Why Pakistani actors did not speak up on Uri…look what happened to Karan Johar just a few days ago. Look at what the Kannada actress Ramya had to face when she said Pakistan was ‘not hell.’ Among the Bollywood film industry I could only see Renuka Sahahe & Anurag Kashyap having a little bit of guts to stand up to such covert and overt bullying. Is it so surprising to accept that the Pakistani actors may be scared? If we have one thinking brain cell, we will stop all those jingostic, knee-jerk, destructive patriotic bombardment at our fellow people.
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Arjun
October 24, 2016
@RSN,@ edwardssammy: You guys seem to think as long as it is only 1 lakh or 1 crore and not 1000 crores of Indian money that goes into funding the Paki M-J complex, it is ok. I say allowing even a paisa of Indian money to be used for terrorism against the Indian state is plain idiocy, not to mention very demoralizing for the soldiers guarding the borders, dying almost on a daily basis. Incidentally, since you ask, I support a complete boycott including sporting ties and a trade embargo against pakistan and think all govts including the present one have been highly short sighted and irresolute in dealing with this rogue state. The only solution is another 1971-like decisive military victory and further splitting up of pakistan that will utterly defang their terrorist apparatus. So the recent talking up of balochistan, pashtonistan from India’s side is actually a good thing.
@Madan: “And what about their contribution to making Bollywood songs and films hits? Did Rahat Fateh Ali Khan have absolutely nothing to do with making songs like Dagabaaz hits? So the association is profitable for both. This argument lacks merit. ”
What part of “directly funding the militry-jihadi complex” in my comment did you miss? If you think that is the same as pakistani artists helping Indian producers make money (and so indirectly helping the Indian state generate revenue), then I can’t convince you. But let’s be clear. There is a reason why we repeatedly refer to pakistan as a state sponsor of terror. It is because the state knowingly allows its land to be used for running terror camps of LeT, Taliban etc. Not only that, it actually uses (and has done so for three decades) its resources, including their army for recruiting, arming and training terrorists within pakistan to launch terror strikes within India (and afghanistan). The 26/11 mumbai attackers were all trained by serving pakistani military officers. If you don’t understand the difference, I have nothing further to say.
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Madan
October 24, 2016
@vishwakant: I did like DP very much in Piku. But after watching Bajirao, I realised that she does depend on being able to get that way with that somewhat deadpan, casual delivery (which sounds very natural in 21st century settings). Ironically, a younger Ash would have probably fared better in Mastani’s role.
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Srinivas R
October 24, 2016
Arjun: should Pakistani artists be banned in India? May be yes, given the current situation. But it’s unfair to single out ADHM. When the shooting commenced, our prime minister was having a friendly dinner with Pakistan PM. Holding the film to ransom now is plain hypocrisy. I am also uncomfortable with how shamelessly the Govt is misusing the army’s hard work for electoral advantage.
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X
October 25, 2016
Arjun: Won’t say we shoudn’t act tough with Pakistan. We should corner them, hopefully with other countries, and do what should be something that doesn’t just stop with a SAARC boycott. (Whether or how the mafia in Pakistan and terrorist outfits in and out of Pakistan could channelise resources again is another question).
The other question is: As Nana Patekar might have pointed out tangentially: Why do these patriots always start and stop with Pakistani artistes and others, and why do these patriots forget that they actually need to do things at a global scale in today’s world? Why doesn’t our finger point at anything else? Why do they go for a temporary slumber each time any such issue finds some conclusion? How worthy are these people, who seem to be content doing arm-twisting of their own kind as retaliation for others’ arm-twisting, of raising such demands isn’t perhaps the question to be asked here. Sure, these chaps are gentle enough not to do what they are doing to us, but forgetting that there are innocent people on the other side of the border is a mistake that can be excused for the larger cause of our nation, is it? Is this the only step they can think of while countering this 70-year old deadlock? When will you do more than dipping everything about Pakistan in black ink, and airbrushing whatever the nation has done to the Army?
The Indian media, the Indian government, perhaps governments of other neighbouring countries of Pakistan that yield to its pressure, and also the corruption present in the Army need to be brought under the scanner too.
‘ further splitting up of pakistan that will utterly defang their terrorist apparatus. So the recent talking up of balochistan, pashtonistan from India’s side is actually a good thing.’
Clearly, the solution you pose to a nation that has lost its voice thanks to its homegrown demons, is to have a foreign army, or armies tear it to pieces again.
Not saying they are the only people to be thought about, but the process is this delicate and takes more than just military intervention
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X
October 25, 2016
Sorry for that long rant
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Koushik
October 25, 2016
I have read all the comments above and in keeping with their highly political nature (sorry Mr. Rangan), there is only 1 point that I fail to understand. Perhaps someone can explain it to me.
Nawaz Sharif, the democratically elected PM of the country (Pakistan) goes to the UN General Assembly and calls Burhan Wani a hero. Wani, a self-confessed jihadist and a commander of the Hizbul Mujahideen (certified a terrorist organization by India, the US and the European Union among others), is hailed a hero.
Now, instead of arguing for freedom of speech, whether art crosses borders etc., we the people — the very same people who are being protected by the army on the LoC after incurring casualties every single day — must be on the streets, protesting and pressurizing the Indian govt. to impose strict sanctions. Instead, we take the army for granted, sit in our comfortable living rooms and shoot off about freedom of speech and the rights of producers to make money. Yes, the MNS is indulging in goondaism, which is utterly despicable, but I would expect the general sentiment of the country to be much different from what some comments here would have me believe.
Forget that Pakistani actors made no statement condemning the attacks, forget their journalists writing propaganda pieces against our army. Doesn’t the fact that Mr. Sharif has the utter gall to go to the UN and eulogize a branded terrorist, have any effect on us? Should we not, atleast in some non-zero measure, hold the Pakistani people responsible for the comments of their elected head of state, particularly when not one of their public figures comes out saying otherwise? Will they not do the same to us? Are they not already doing it?
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Madan
October 25, 2016
“What part of “directly funding the militry-jihadi complex” in my comment did you miss?” – And do you have any evidence for this assertion? Because merely paying taxes out of their income to the Pak govt is not directly funding the military-jihadi complex; that is only fulfilling their obligations as civilians. I believe there could have been a few Sarfarosh-es here and there but not everyone of them. I have interacted with Pakistani civilians on the net and not everyone of them makes donations to ISI, just saying.
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Rahul
October 25, 2016
I agree with Arjun. Taking Arjun doctrine further I think India should stop trade with all countries that have trade relations with Pakistan , for example, China , Russia etc. China has massive investments in Pakistan and also provides them economic and military aid . No reason why Indian money should be routed via China to Pakistan.
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Arjun
October 25, 2016
Clearly a couple of comments are deliberately acting obtuse. Why nitpick on choice of words? “Directly funding the M-J complex” simply means some fraction of every pak tax payer’s money feeds the complex and not that Fahad khan is pals with Hamid Gul. This is simply a statement of fact because Pak is a SST to us. That Fahad khan may personally be a peace loving person is irrelevant here. Since U.S. is a fav country for some people on here, this is what they do to SSTs on their list as a friend pointed out to me today-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Sponsors_of_Terrorism#Sanctions
And mind you they have not been affected directly by the countries that are/were on the list even to 1% of the extent we have been by Pak.
“stop trade with China etc”- Every country takes action to the extent it can. Some people think status quo, do nothing etc are better policies than trying to rein in rogue countries 1/5th our size. India is a pathetic minnow compared to China and is in no position to take such action as the commenter probably knows anyway.
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An Jo
October 25, 2016
Rangan Saab:
I don’t know where to post this hence am posting it here: One of the greatest ‘hyperboles’ but a great lover and enunciator of cinema and the arts is no more..our own Utkal who would passionately write about films and would artistically bludgeon us to his lengthy but heart-felt and honest reviews
https://satyamshot.wordpress.com/2016/10/24/utkalrip/
We will miss him and his passionate feed-backs..
And as I said, I don’t think anything can encapsulate what he felt about life and the arts and the movies in general than this…
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Peacenik
October 25, 2016
To all the belligerent posters here: we cannot choose our neighbors, we need to learn to live with them. War is not an option to be bandied about lightly, we are talking about war with a nuclear armed crazed state which may not hesitate to lash out when cornered. Have you all contemplated how a nuclear winter would look like?
Because that is what you will get if Pakistan deploys its 100+ warheads.
I’m primarily concerned about the hyper-masculine celebration of our military prowess, we have had three outright wars and one big skirmish(Kargil) with Pakistan, two are considered as a stalemate, one a massive victory and the Kargil one-well we clawed back alpine wasteland at a huge human cost.
How is the life of a soldier any different from that of a poor worker who risks his life to clean our blocked sewage? Pakistan is a prime example where the military took center stage and see where that country is now.
Art shouldn’t be held hostage to politics, its like hating Wagner just because Hitler loved him.
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Uncouth Village Youth
October 25, 2016
‘the very same people who are being protected by the army on the LoC after incurring casualties every single day ‘
The army is guarding our borders,sacrificing lives for the exact reason that you and I can comment here, without fear – Check out the US armymen tweets during the Colin Kaepernick protest. What’s with the sudden in your face shoving of the army, all over the social media ? It is better for a democratic country, if the army stays and operates in the background, unless you want a Pak type alternate power center.The army just wants to be left alone, so that it can get the job done and certainly doesn’t enjoy it’s current role of guilt-tripping the citizens it protects.
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sameoldnewbie
October 25, 2016
“I challenge you to find another person who’ll look this good doing a salaam.”
More like, “I challenge you to find another 43-year old married mum-of-one actress who is still in demand as a female co-star and looks this good doing a salaam” 🙂
Long may she continue to do this on our screens; if she can’t who else can.
“Should movie goddesses (and gods) be allowed to play people like you and me?”
But they were people like you and me before we put them on a pedestal? The newest find is the Pakistani chaiwallah I guess. He could have gone on to become to become the best teaseller in the land but no, the public has decided he is too good-looking to be one 🙂
http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/pakistani-teaseller-lands-modelling-deal/article9240383.ece
Don’t think the day is too far when we see him in Bollywood. Wonder what the MNS types will have to say about that.
“Is it fair? Is it in good taste?”
Don’t have a problem with de-glamming when done sensitively (Marion Cotillard’s Edith Piaf comes to mind as does Kamal’s Chappani). It isn’t that different really to other types of physical transformations like losing weight/bulking up that actors/actresses do I think, except in certain cases involving sensitive factors (like the controversial choice of casting Zoe Saldana as Nina Simone which Nina’s family were critical of http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/nina-simones-daughter-defends-zoe-saldana-slams-biopic-20160305 ).
“Not quite Hrithik Roshan, was he?”
Lol. Always a challenge (not getting caught/called out) when casting for historical or book characters I suppose. I thought Emma Watson was probably a little bit too polished to play Hermione at times but then I also thought someone with more effortless good looks than Gary Oldman (who I do love as an actor) could have played Sirius Black (as described in the Harry Potter books).
Your writing on Akbar prompted me to look up King Asoka’s description. One scholarly article mentions ‘Ashoka had a gross skin condition in which his skin was like crude dust or dirt. It was unpleasant to look at and unpleasant to touch. He had many episodes of loss of consciousness. He was a short statured man, Paunchy, with a grossly pumpkin-like face” Not quite SRK too I guess – but the movie Asoka was as pretty as they come and I am not complaining.
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brangan
October 25, 2016
That’s very sad news. Utkal used to drive me nuts sometimes because he could never see that films were a subjective experience, and he used to go on about how his view was the only view. But there was absolutely no denying that he was amazingly passionate about cinema and loved the art from the core of his being.
Thanks for letting us know.
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tonks
October 25, 2016
An Jo : omg, that’s sad news. May his soul rest in peace.
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Anu Warrier
October 25, 2016
An Jo, I’m sorry to hear that. He was one of the regulars here, and while I must confess to skipping over Utkal’s long posts, but I can’t help but admire his passion for films.
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Madan
October 25, 2016
“Since U.S. is a fav country for some people on here, this is what they do to SSTs on their list as a friend pointed out to me today-” – Didn’t see anything there about blocking artists, care to point me to the relevant item in the list? We can block trade with Pak (a much more substantial measure than blocking artists) but the loss will be ours, not theirs. In any case, we need to have a coherent strategy, not something that changes after every new terror attack.
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JPhil
October 25, 2016
Mr.Utkal’s passing is such sad news.Yes,his posts were rather long but his convictions firm.My condolences.
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Koushik
October 26, 2016
“The army is guarding our borders,sacrificing lives for the exact reason that you and I can comment here, without fear – Check out the US armymen tweets during the Colin Kaepernick protest”
How does our situation with Pakistan have any parallels with Kaepernick’s protest? The two are vastly different IMO. We have a rogue neighbour state, whose elected head eulogizes a terrorist who has inflicted severe casualties on our army, and whose army continues to instigate Kashmiris and repeatedly violates a ceasefire agreement. Asking for sanctions against said state is hardly a human rights violation any way you see it.
“What’s with the sudden in your face shoving of the army, all over the social media ? It is better for a democratic country, if the army stays and operates in the background, unless you want a Pak type alternate power center.”
I agree hyperventilating is far from the solution. But on the other hand, just being mute spectators has not worked for us for the past several decades has it? I suppose common-folk just feel that it is high time we put out some serious high-level sanctions, irrespective of what it is. This, despite the fact that the usual ‘normal-pakistanis-like-you-and-me-will-be-affected’ rhetoric that gets bandied about. If that were 100% true, Aman ki Asha should have solved our issues by now.
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Rahul
October 26, 2016
Arjun says
India is a pathetic minnow compared to China and is in no position to take such action as the commenter probably knows anyway.
Are you saying India will not be allowed to shut down trade with China if it wants to ? Do you not see that China makes huge money while trading with India and provides substantial aid to Pakistan ? America is another country that provides billions of dollars in aid to Pakistan. India should also stop trade with America, stop giving business to American companies Like Mcdonald’s and stop watching Hollywood movies.
Arjun, I say allowing even a paisa of Indian money to be used for terrorism against the Indian state is plain idiocy, not to mention very demoralizing for the soldiers guarding the borders, dying almost on a daily basis.
Arjun, why can’t you not see this simple fact?
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praneshp
October 26, 2016
Thanks for letting us know An Jo. That’s the second famous commenter gone, I feel old 😦
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Tambi Dude
October 26, 2016
An jo: That’s a sad news. I remember reading his long reviews here.
http://utkaleidoscope.com/about/
Is he the same person ?
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KayKay
October 26, 2016
RIP Utkal. Very sad to hear this.
I have both read, skimmed and glossed over his long reviews, and what always shone through was his passion for films. Didn’t quite agree with some who called him out for the epic-length posts, given that many here (myself standing at the fore front of this group) rarely use one word where ten would suffice.
It’s funny, there are people who become such a part of the commenting landscape, that when you hear they’ve passed on, it hits you something fierce, in spite of never having engaged with them directly, or as in the case of the Banned One, engaged in knock out, drag down fights that sometimes turned nasty and personal.
I’ll miss Utkal’s detailed thoughts on movies that absolutely rocked his world (I remember his passionate defense of Cocktail) as much as I (still) miss the Other. Can only imagine the grenades HE would have lobbed into some of the contentious threads ongoing currently!
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Anu Warrier
October 26, 2016
rarely use one word where ten would suffice.
looks furtively around and hangs head in shame
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Kay
October 26, 2016
“Stop all trade with China”
Total imports from China in FY2015-16 is USD 61.7 billion out of total imports of USD 379.6 billion. That’s roughly 16% of the total imports. We depend on China for various products like machinery for our industries, electronic equipment, phones (Redmi, One plus, etc. Even iPhones are designed in California, made in China), medical equipment, plastics, etc.
Just saying.
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KayKay
October 26, 2016
Warrior, I did mention I’d be at the group’s forefront. The first noggin to bow down in shame would be mine 🙂
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MANK
October 26, 2016
So sad to hear the news about Utkal’s passing. I was wondering why he has been absent on this blog for a while now.Initially, he used to irritate the hell out of me by posting those long long reviews in the comments section. i believe i was one of the people who asked Brangan to do something about it. but over the years, i warmed to his passion and love for movies which remains unparalleled on this blog. i am glad that we had some mutually beneficial interactions and we could find a lot of common ground in our love for movies. May he rest in peace.
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P
October 26, 2016
An Jo, thanks for letting us know about Utkal’s passing! That man was like the bonus after credit scene to BR’s “Marvel”lous write-ups. Never understood why people bitched him out for his long write-ups. Meanies 😦
Gonna miss him. Why do passionate people have to die? Couldn’t god have taken I don’t know Deve Gowda or somebody? 😦
Damn. Gonna go and eat a box of ice-cream now.
RIP Utkal. Hope you enjoy discussing and arguing about movies(especially Cocktail-your defense of which I LOVED!) with that Great Critic up there.
Gonna Miss You. Wish you had stayed until SLB’s Padmavati at least had released.
sniff sob
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Rahul
October 26, 2016
Utkal M was a nice guy , though I seldom could read through his reviews. He took all brickbats in his stride and continued to post what he wanted to, and in as many words he wanted to. I respect him for that.
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blurb
October 27, 2016
I love Aishwarya in certain movies.
I’m looking forward to ADHM, but am terrified that Ash might ruin it for me. I said this in another thread as well: I feel she gets and performs domesticity and girl next door characters well (Iruvar’s pushpa, Kandukondain’s Meenakshi, Guru’s Sujatha). She is also not bad in the larger than life melodramas of SLB.
BUT she cannot do the sex bombshell to save her life. Does anyone here remember what we were subjected to in Dhoom-2? “Are you like, checking me out?” “Are you like, trying to kill us ever so slowly to death?”.
She also does so badly in intimate scenes. Not a single shot of her and Ranbir is convincing. Every move of hers in the ADHM trailer looked so contrived.
But she is drop dead gorgeous. If not for anything else, the movie is worth watching at least for that.
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Shankar
October 27, 2016
RIP Utkal…really sad to hear this. You had amazing energy and passion to discuss films. We will remember you for that.
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Garvit Sharma
October 27, 2016
Ever since August of this year, I have been sniffing like a maniac every review that has been posted on this site and finding Utkal’s take on it was like the after-bath that you take after swimming in a pool of B Rangan’s ink of orgasmic write-up. For the record sir, I have bought both of your books on Kindle but stil havent found time to read them through. Utkal like so many of your regulars exuded deep love and craze for movies that bring us all together. As a tribute, I will be reading only Utkal’s reviews throughout my weekend. He will always be remembered on this site.
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Garvit Sharma
October 27, 2016
@Arjun and @Rahul While Arjun was very quick in leaving no room for an economic analysis of the solution of embargo on Pakistan, I always find Rahul’s method very effective in pointing out the loopholes in one’s argument by stretching his opinion further and in true Taranatino style taking and executing every dialogue by the word.
The Pakistani defence budget as provided by their official records stands today at 8 billion dollars. This does not include contingent liabilities which has been poorly defined by the civilian government and may not even include pensions which is a matter of dispute between the bureaucrats and military personnel just like in India.
There is no correlation,in Pakistan, between defence spending and say GDP growth,unemployment increase, recession or any other economic statistic. Despite civilian protests, Army has been increasing their budget demands by 8-11% every year.On top of this,like clockwork, they spend more than they are allocated every year. When faced against India in as direct a proxy war as it comes, Pakistan Army took a whopping 23% of their country’s budget in 1993 and still managed to overspend. The point that I am trying to make here is that even if we wipe off the entire entertainment industry of Pakistan and stop our trade of roughly 3 billion dollars with them, take losses of 2 billion dollars annually, we will be unable to succeed in achieving our objective of sucking off the funding of Pakistan army establishment.Pakistani Army is not only a security force, they are the biggest industry of Pakistan with their own businesses and other extortion channels. Then they have the lever of Talibani insurgency in Afghanistan which ensures direct engagement with daddy USA. While the Army doesn’t care about trade and commercial relations with India, what their loony generals have always abhorred is their civilian’s sheepish fawning for Sharukh, Salman, Amitabh and now Deepika. Bollywood now and previously Ekta Kapoor for some time have always been seen as corrupt influences for the middle class. While our producers will be unable to earn any revenue for their product from Pakistani consumers because of the reciprocity shown by their government on Indian content, the consumption of Indian movies will continue as before in the form of pirated CDs and DVDs.
Then someone here pointed out that soldiers are fighting on the borders for freedom of speech.Excuse my french, but this is a totally bullshit lazy argument. I have yet to come across such an enlightened soldier. We have a freedom of Speech because of the Constitution as framed by the founding fathers whose first amendment was to limit this freedom because of Communist and other Leftist revolutions/movements going in many parts of the newly formed Union.Though the Union has only gained strength,the fetters on FOSpeech remain.Which country does not have soldiers on the border to fight for them where freedom of speech is curtailed? Does North Korea not have an army to fight for its citizens at the border?
And then somebody brought up the gall of Nawaz Sharif in bringing up Burhan Wani in UN.In Sam Harris fashion from “Seven Psycopaths”,what do you expect a villain to do,stopover for a dinner at Delhi PMO?” First of all, nobody of importance in the world gave any attention to what India and Pakistan were bitching about there. What the elders in UN are worried about is Syria where 450,000 people have met Allah. Nowhere does the figure of 90 dead,hundred blinded stand in comparison to that Michael Phelps scale of Orwellian achievement. And in defence of poor puppet Nawaz Sharif, this all happened because of the clamour for war by Indian media after Uri where everybody likes to forget that most soldiers died because of poor tent material which caught fire during skirmish.
Instead of going after KJo, if the Army/ RAW would have done a real badass “Surgical Strike” by taking out some of Pakistan generals or mujahid heads now that would have been something to provide indigenous source material for D-day and Phantom of the future.
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Madan
October 27, 2016
Very sad to hear of the death of Utkal, one of the most passionate movie buffs there can be. RIP.
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Sifter
October 27, 2016
Was wondering where Mr. Utkal went off for a while….now realise he has been called to a higher ground.
Like some, I rolled my eyes frequently when his comments popped-up, but then went back and read them! He was passionate and I for one am thankful that his comments are here to go back for me/us. Saying RIP Mr. Utkal sounds empty, but do bend ears wherever you have reached now!
@P- That comment about Deve Gowda 🙂 🙂 I feel your pain.
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Uncouth Village Youth
October 27, 2016
Then someone here pointed out that soldiers are fighting on the borders for freedom of speech.Excuse my french, but this is a totally bullshit lazy argument.
In any democratic country, when the soldiers fight for the ‘country’, they are in fact fighting for freedom of their citizens. The fetters on freedom of speech, are a real thing I agree. But, clearly you cannot object to everything said against the country, by saying it is against the army. Apparently some real soldiers, the ones who wore uniforms and served, seem to agree with me – http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/08/veterans-for-kaepernick-hashtag-takes-off-on-twitter.html. Or do you imply, Indian soldiers are not as enlightened as the ones in the US. Why are you belittling our soldiers by your ‘ yet to find an enlightened soldier’ comment ? Are you for or against the army ? Are you a secret Pak agent ?
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sravishanker1401gmailcom
October 27, 2016
UncouthVillageYouth : Unable to find the comment you’re referring to.
You have a point there. Let me add to it by saying that anything said against TIMESNOW is also against the army !
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P
October 27, 2016
@Sifter: I used to live in core DG area- Padmanabhnagar, so his lore is well known to me. Bugger doesn’t die only. And all nice people keep dying 😦
One of the reasons I am atheist now.
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Vishnu
October 27, 2016
Sorry, It may not be the right place to put some links on modern politics, but since the discussion had rather disappointingly turned in that direction, and before the recurring drama of the “intolerance” brigade comes up again in media, would like to point to some interesting posts on this:
m.firstpost.com/india/intolerance-2-0-what-shabana-azmis-tirade-reveals-about-the-new-strategy-of-liberals-3074190.html
http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news/jnu-not-at-the-cost-of-country/
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Garvit Sharma
October 27, 2016
@Uncouth Village Youth: First of all answering the most important question, Yes, I am a secret Pak agent. I am based in London right now under the tutelage of a Prof Kidwai and going out with a very sweet guy named “Tiger”. Please do help out with any secret intelligence and you will be duly rewarded in whatever mode of payment you prefer.
I am for complete and unlimited Freedom of Speech and I am not ready to piggyback my way when US veterans or very few Indian senior Army Personnel like Admiral Ramdas come out in support of it. Personally I have not come across any Indian soldier who when encountering a JNU student demanding secession and alleging widespread rape culture in the Army says “Hey, I may not agree with you but I am ready to defend your right to say it with my life”. He would just rather want to cut his tongue off. Imagine the sample size I would have analysed, being a secret Pak agent and all. Just open your eyes and see for yourself how much freedom of speech is in regions under Army control in India. In 1975, when emergency was applied, I dont think the Army Generals asked the President “What are you doing, now that freedom of speech is restricted what are we fighting for?” And this is the way it must always be. The Army is there for a simple objective to annihilate the enemy as specified by the civilian government in control. So, if the hypernationalist shoves the Army argument in your face and you find a minority which has by large the same opinion as yours,the hypernationalist still wins in this game of numbers. I am not in the business of comparing India with USA in any matter, as I said it is very lazy of us to do that. Principles and truths stand by their own weight.
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sravishanker1401gmailcom
October 27, 2016
Vishnu : Thanks for sharing. This is an eye opener.
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chhotesaab
October 28, 2016
RIP Utkal
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Silverambrosia
October 28, 2016
It is sad news. I’ve also been reading the reviews and posts on his personal blog ’Utalkaleidoscope.com’ these last couple of days. It wasn’t only his passion for films which shone through, but he could also express himself with ease and eloquence. They may have been rapidly penned down reviews or may have been crafted with care but the result was always very flowing and lucid, with him easily traversing from one idea and theme to the next. His writing was certainly not without elegance, and the content was usually very individual. It was not on predictable lines. Perhaps one of his biggest strengths (and a key strength of most good writers) was his ability to describe his thoughts and reactions with specificity, and never (or rarely ever) lapse into the generic. That is something I personally struggle with…giving what I am thinking written expression. Those thoughts remain sitting there somewhat incoherently in my mind, without my being to fully grasp each individual idea or feeling with clarity and translate it into words; sometimes it can be the absence of original ideas, but more often it’s this difficulty in describing nuances which causes one to steer towards the generic. Some of my favourite culture blogs, be it this one or Jabberwock can do this; describe what the writer wants to convey with considerable exactitude (or near exactitude). That’s also a quality which comes through strongly in many of the comments of several of the star commenters here be it MANK, Rahini, Anu Warrier, Madan (too many to mention).
Several of Utkal’s film reviews substantially reflected my own attitude towards certain movies; e.g. Jazba, Fan, Sultan, PRDP. Many of the movies he has reviewed I haven’t seen so there is no framework for comparison, and some of his reviews contrast very strongly with my own views on the film in question. E.g. He enjoyed ‘Chennai Express’ which I thought was appallingly bad (I thought Rohit Shetty’s ‘Dilwale’ was a vast improvement on it)…but then obviously comes in the strong subjective dimension of film viewing. From his blog he does not appear to have been particularly old (early 60s?) and has gone quite early. He seemed a very enthusiastic, passionate person, with eclectic interests and a zest for life. Condolences to his family and friends.
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Madan
October 28, 2016
@ Garvit Sharma: Maybe not currently employed armymen but journalist Ajai Shukla is an ex army man and ex JNU alumnus and he had come out against the anti national argument. Of course now people are going to say NDTV is a Pakistani/Kashmiri news channel. Whatever…it’s virtually become impossible to discuss anything political without the other side telling YOU what YOU are because you apparently don’t know. Reminded of this brilliant Supertramp track written in the last days of the Carter administration (when the Moral Majority launched a similar campaign, tying the US flag to Christianity).
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brangan
October 28, 2016
silverambrosia: That’s a very important point you make about putting into words what’s in your head. A lot of people come and ask me how to become a critic and this is what I tell them. You may be able to TALK about cinema with friends over a drink. But find out if you can WRITE about it. In detail. With flavour and nuance. Non-generically. Especially under a deadline.
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An Jo
October 28, 2016
@Puneeta:
What difference does it make? Gowda is sleeping all the time anyway..either in his house or at his Padmanabh Nagar petrol bunk..
That’s why God turned lazy..no action needed to combat perpetual inaction..
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kamleshkuduva
October 28, 2016
All OK..but where is the review of the movie…
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P
October 28, 2016
OMG BR I just watched the film. Shit. This is KAran’s best work ever. Perfect marriage of his early day frothiness and latter day darkness. Excitedly awaiting your review.
PS: I cried like a baby. So senti it was. The blinds say this is about when KAran fell in love with Siddarth but watching it makes me think otherwise. SHIYAT!!
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blurb
October 29, 2016
Speaking about beauty: this, from Sonam Kapoor, is pretty empowering: https://www.buzzfeed.com/sonamkapoor/i-didnt-wake-up-like-this?utm_term=.igNdLZLDA#.yiwKJxJp5
Which other female artist actually looks her age? Sure, Aishwarya Rai looks breathtakingly beautiful. But, who wouldn’t, if they spend 90 minutes getting ready before every appearance? It’s high time we start writing scripts for real-looking women, instead of having them conform to some insane, infeasible standards of “beauty” (whatever that is).
It’s a major gripe I have with Gautam Vasudev Menon (most other directors show caricatures, so never mind them). The most infuriating example is Hemanika from Yennai Arindhal. It was humiliating to see that character fashioned the way it was. Single mother, 5 year old daughter, without a single blemish on her face or makeup. Real Women like that? They barely have time to shower.
It’s a real sin to show flawless “beauty”.
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tonks
October 29, 2016
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Anu Warrier
October 29, 2016
blurb, yet when Ash shows up without make-up, or not put together, she’s slammed by everyone who has an opinion. Have you forgotten the slamming she got for not losing her extra weight post-pregnancy as quickly as they thought she should?
Which, by the way, I have seen her without make up on, and she’s still gorgeous. 🙂
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Apu
November 1, 2016
blurb: “Real Women like that? They barely have time to shower”
Why do we assume that single moms of 5-year olds do not shower (or look haggard and dirty)? I have seen so many at office looking near about perfect. Ok, not movie-gloss perfect, but still. Most moms of 5-year olds, esp Indians, are 30-35 year old, so Ash is actually an older mom (like me) and yes, I believe we still look beautiful, no matter what age.
About depicting “realistic” beauty – it all depends on the movie I guess. I am not sure if I would watch a costume drama or a glossy rom-com if the main leads are ugly, or look as if they do not take showers.
Sorry, I know my comment is irrelevant to this post, but every time someone says “moms are too overworked to look beautiful”, I get irritated.
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blurb
December 2, 2016
Apu: You clearly marked the distinction yourself. The women in your office are near about perfect, but not movie gloss perfect. But, Hemanika was movie gloss perfect. That’s exactly what I have a problem with.
I didn’t have a problem with, say, Simran’s Indra in Kannathil Muthamittaal. Indra, the mother of three, epitome of beauty. Indra was real. Not movie gloss perfect.
And, Yennai Arindhal was not a glossy rom-com, or a costume drama, which agreeably needs the main leads to be prim and proper. On the other hand, it is, in fact, precisely the type of script which needs to depict some amount of realism in showing Hemanika in order to stay true to its essence. And it failed to do that on an epic scale.
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Sahir.
September 15, 2018
Shoehorning myself into this conversation two years late to respond to a line in the piece:
“…as though conventionally good-looking people cannot be murderers…”
I will only point you to Jugal Hansraj, fair as milk and with those ‘Masoom’ good-boy looks, playing a child molester in Kahaani 2. And Arjun Rampal mercilessly bumping Deepika Padukone off in Om Shanti Om.
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