Spoilers ahead…
For the second time, after Dev.D, Anurag Kashyap tackles a love triangle — and Manmarziyaan, too, follows a Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay template, established in Swami (which became a 1977 film, with Shabana Azmi and Girish Karnad). A headstrong, liberated girl falls for a caddish youth, but gets married to a man with the patience of the saints. Will she cling, stubbornly, to memories of the lover, who matched her temperament, or will she slowly learn to appreciate her husband? This question has been asked in numerous films, from Woh Saat Din to Andha 7 Naatkal to Nenjathai Killathey to Mouna Raagam to Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam — but for the most part (the ending, I’m afraid, is a bit of a cop-out), Kashyap and his writer, Kanika Dhillon, transform this story from a plot-based melodrama into a ferocious stream-of-consciousness narrative.
The film is dedicated to Amrita Pritam — her wrist-slittingly passionate Main tenu phir milangi (“I will meet you yet again”) is acknowledged, as are her Punjabi roots (Manmarziyaan is set in Amritsar), and perhaps her stormy personal life, too. Manmarziyaan is about pyaar (love) and fyaar (lust) — and Amrita Pritam wrote about both, emotional as well as physical nakedness. Kanika Dhillon appears to have channeled that forceful voice. In a conversation Rumi (an explosive Taapsee Pannu, giving the performance of a lifetime in the role of a lifetime) has with the London-based Robbie (Abhishek Bachchan), both pyaar and fyaar come up. He thought she was hot, first; only then, that she was a good person. For her, it was the other way around. Another person might have thought twice before telling someone that their physical appearance was not the biggest draw — but Rumi is unapologetically self-absorbed. The most surprising — and feminist — aspect of Manmarziyaan is that the film doesn’t apologise for her, either. There’s no great humiliation or fall or lesson that awaits her. In fact, everyone recognises this about her, and goes out of their way to accommodate this flaw trait. It’s not just refreshing. It’s revolutionary.
The character’s very name, that of a Sufi mystic whose gentle musings are often found in Facebook statuses and Imtiaz Ali movies, seems to be a knowing joke. Looking at the tall and wiry Taapsee, it’s as though Rumi’s lava-hot intensity has melted away all fat and taken residence in her red-dyed hair. Rumi smokes. She drinks. She screams at the pani puri wala because the sauce is not hot enough. (Much later, we discover that when she’s angry, she prefers really spicy chutney.) She sleeps with Vicky (Vicky Kaushal, who got squeals from girls at the Chennai theatre I saw the film in), her former flame, even after marrying Robbie. She may be the most fascinating mainstream heroine since Geet, from Jab We Met — only, she doesn’t undergo a personality-altering penance to atone for her Tinder-era recklessness and independent-mindedness. During their honeymoon, Robbie asks her which side of the bed she wants, left or right. Her reply is as much a response to his question as her own T-shirt slogan: “Always right.”
This me-me-me obliviousness is often horrifying. Rumi treats Robbie awfully. When the folks call to ask how their honeymoon is going, she gets into graphic details about condoms, which shocks Robbie. And she can bring herself to talk or have sex with him only after a drink or three. She doesn’t even bother to remove the price tag on her lingerie before slipping it on. Soon, we see that the only reason Rumi wanted to sleep with Robbie is so she can message Vicky and mess up his mind. She feels she has the upper hand. She smiles. But the smile fades when, a little later, Vicky sends her a clip of him with another woman. One of the most interesting aspects of Manmarziyaan is how it treats sex. With Vicky, it’s just a need, like peeing or taking a dump. With Robbie, it’s a weapon for one upmanship. Never is it just this gauzy, tender, veil-lifting moment on a flower-festooned bed we’ve seen in countless movies.
Here’s the other fun fact about the film. In the earlier variations of the Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay story (or at least, the template), the arranged marriage is brought about by some kind of family pressure. Here, too, Rumi’s family wants her to “settle down,” sure — but they aren’t exactly against Vicky, whose affair with Rumi becomes open knowledge soon enough. And because her family won’t create the drama, Rumi creates her own drama. Vicky’s vacillations — he doesn’t feel the need to get married, and he isn’t the “responsible” type — drive Rumi to Robbie. (Vicky Kaushal is superb as this man-child who wants Rumi like he wants a favourite toy, something he can play with when he wants but can also put back on a shelf when he wants.) In a superb scene, she tells Vicky, “I wouldn’t have brought up the topic of marriage if we hadn’t been found out, but now we have, and so…” This isn’t a teary ultimatum. She’s smiling. How deeply she wants this man is evident from how furious she gets every time she tries to knock sense into him. With Vicky, she’s like: “Why the fuck don’t you get it?” With Robbie, she’s like: “Well, whatever!”
One of the problems with Manmarziyaan is that Rumi is a fairly fleshed-out character while Vicky and Robbie are merely types, defined mainly by too-easy contrasts. Sexy job (dijjay) versus conventional job (banker). Jim Morrison tees and punk hair versus sedate colours and a turban (even if Robbie wears it only after landing in India). Intense and infantile versus sedate and mature. Even their scenes around their “mummies” are contrasts. Vicky won’t think about eloping because he’s asked his mother to make gobi ke parathe while Robbie patiently explains to his mother why the girl he chooses has to be not so much a nursemaid for her but a life partner for him. Abhishek plays serenity well. He pauses two beats before lines when only one is necessary. Put differently, unlike Vicky and Rumi, Robbie thinks before he acts. When Rumi asks, “Bachpan se Ram ji type ke ho?”, it sits well on him. I found that I, too, wanted to ask that of him. The exasperation we feel at Rumi’s flip-flopping between these two men — between what she wants and what she knows is “good for her,” between first love and husband material — is part of the film’s design, and if Kashyap and Dhillon don’t engage with the psychologies of their leading men, they at least respect them. We don’t get cheap scenes where Rumi realises the worth of one man by how differently he reacts to something than the other man did. It’s only about what Rumi wants.
Still, I wish Manmarziyaan had spelled out why Robbie would marry Rumi (he knows about her and Vicky) as opposed to waiting it out for her to make up her mind. (The night before the wedding, she calls it off, because she is eloping with Vicky. And yet, he agrees to marry her the next day, after Vicky fails to show up?) Why would a “rational” person do such a thing? He keeps saying — after marriage — things like “the choice is yours” and “take your time,” but wouldn’t he have said this before? When asked, he says he’s a banker. “Return ki guarantee to main bhi nahin deta” — but that’s too flip a line, under these circumstances. The film tips its hand very early when we see Rumi berating Vicky for being so utterly irresponsible. I felt that, in the Kashyapian universe, Rumi would have ended up with Vicky (who practically disappears post-interval), or better yet, undecided. The walk-and-talk last scene is fantastic, but it also feels like Rumi has been tamed. We see Rumi mind-wrestling between two men but we don’t feel it. We don’t wrestle along with her. I’d be interested in a Part 2, about the post-marriage years. SCENE 1: Sitting in her perfectly manicured garden, Rumi is bored. She calls Vicky, and…
But elsewhere, we do get classic moments from the Kashyapian universe — when Vicky and Robbie “meet” without really meeting, or when a pair of twins acts as a sort of Greek chorus. Anurag Kashyap has, over the years, carved out his own brand of mainstream cinema, and he picks the most amazing collaborators. That wonderful pre-interval stretch where Rumi’s wedding to Robbie is bookended by scenes of Rumi still waiting for Vicky — was that written, or was it editor Aarti Bajaj? The constant camera movement around Vicky/Rumi, the sober shots capturing Rumi/Robbie — was that Kashyap, or cinematographer Sylvester Fonseca? Even with Amit Trivedi’s sensational soundtrack, there’s the sense of a collaborative vibe. Every composer bows to the demands of the script and the director, of course — but with Trivedi and Kashyap, the scenes, the lines, the lyrics and the non-stop music seem inextricable from each other. Consider how the exuberant version of Darya is used for Vicky, and a more plaintive rendition for Robbie. But there’s more. The song plays during Rumi’s mehndi ceremony, on the terrace, and stops abruptly (giving way to more “naturalistic” music, the raucous singing and dhol beats you’d normally associate with such an occasion) when she goes into a room and bolts the door, as she wonders what to do about Vicky who’s waiting on the street wearing a woeful puppy-dog expression. The emotion needs the song. The action needs the silence.
In terms of the love triangle, the soundtrack is probably a better emotion-conveyor than the screenplay — but there are many, many individual moments that paint a vivid world. I laughed when Robbie says he doesn’t want to meet five or six girls (he just wants to pick one photo and be done with the selection process), his mother protests: “Ladki ko bhi lagna chahiye na ki humne usey chuna hai!” Who else but a woman would know what another woman might feel like in these circumstances! And yet, Manmarziyaan is a big up-yours to the “shaadi kara de, sab theek ho jayega” sentiment. It says that sex and love and marriage are all very different boxes and maybe it’s folly to expect a single relationship to check them all. Or maybe it just takes the time it takes to get to this stage. Rumi thought she wanted to marry Vicky, with whom there was both pyaar and fyaar. But now? But even after marrying Robbie, she doesn’t sign her life over to him. The marriage doesn’t fix anything. She has to resolve the messy stuff first. She has to feel she wants Robbie. And then, the old marriage, built on lies and secrets, has to be “destroyed” in order for a new, more mutual arrangement to evolve. All of this is a far way from Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay. In other words, even when Anurag Kashyap tackles a template, he makes it his own.
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Vishnu
September 18, 2018
You missed the Kashyap-esque conversations between Robbie’s mother and the servant. None the less this anatomy of Manmarziyan proves to be worth the wait At last someone is there whose is not beating the drums that second half is overlong, the charm and energy vanishes after interval, humor gets a back seat in the latter half etc. etc.
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sahiravik
September 18, 2018
One of the most interesting things to me was the use of songs – I don’t remember the last time I watched a film so stuffed with songs, songs as background score almost. And so I tried to think – what are all these songs doing here?
And I realised that Kashyap and Dhillon are clever – they KNOW we know this story. They KNOW they’re tackling one of Bollywood’s eternal tropes, and that we know the ins and outs of it. So they – and this is Dhillon’s work especially – don’t waste time on TELLING us the story. We are never told how Vicky and Rumi fell in love, how Robbie fell in love with Rumi. We know the template, we know these things are supposed to happen. So Dhillon doesn’t stress that – and Kashyap leaves these aspects to the songs. Rumi and Vicky’s love song is “Grey Waala Shade”, which speaks about a modern, updated love. But Rumi and Robbie’s love song is “Sachchi Mohabbat”, words that are not used in the context of Rumi and Vicky.
I thought this was extremely thought-provoking.
Did you really think, BR, that the ending was a cop-out? Hmm. I bought it, because I loved that long walking scene (sans BGM!) that precedes it. But I must say that I felt the ending was also assumed to be a given, and perhaps that’s why it appears contrived. I think I’d have been open to a very different ending – I foresaw all three of them alone. Rumi’s broken up with Robbie, but realises that she’s no longer into Vicky either. So she just goes on with her life. Maybe?
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Krishnan
September 18, 2018
Slightly unrelated but I would say it’s the third Kashyap’s doing the love triangle. Bombay velvet is a triangle with Karan having a sort of suggested unrequited love for Ranbir’s Johnny Balraj. There is definitely suggestive dialogue that Kaizad is gay and there’s something he harbours for Johnny.
I like to think that’s what motivated his actions, at least that’s what one remembers thinking, seeing the movie at the time of release.
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Vijay
September 18, 2018
Have you seen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarkari_Hi._Pra._Shaale,_Kasaragodu,_Koduge:_Ramanna_Rai
yet? Would like to see your take on this.
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feelings153734711
September 18, 2018
Sir, but don’t you think that Robbie is not exactly a type. In the sense that Robbie is far removed from say, a Vanraj in HDDCS. He is shown to be manipulating Vicky’s parents and that’s how he ends up marrying Rumi. Also, he still does everything he can to win Rumi’s love and doesn’t play the sacrificial lamb. Only thing is he doesn’t force her, that’s all. So he worked well for me.
I agree about Vicky though, he’s playing a type
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Mukesh
September 18, 2018
“I’d be interested in a Part 2, about the post-marriage years. SCENE 1: Sitting in her perfectly manicured garden, Rumi is bored. She calls Vicky, and…”,
Tanu Weds Manu Returns had similar concept in the beginning.
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Rocky
September 18, 2018
Great review, I did not think of the Amrita Pritam -Sahir Ludhianwi angle.
Also re. the Ram jee types , Raja Sen had this to say -Abhishek Bachchan is tremendously likeable and restrained as Robbie, helpless and calm yet fervently wishing he could break character. “Even Rama broke character at times,” reminds Rumi, and the closest Bachchan comes to that is when he suddenly quotes one of his father’s lines from Kaalia.
I ALSO liked the following lines from the Raja Sen’s review-
It is important to point out that at least 70% of the film is in Punjabi, and while I am from Delhi and familiar with (most of) the ins and outs of the language, this is the kind of film that needs to be released in Indian theatres with subtitles so that the rest of the country is also allowed to snicker at the clever lines. There are a few lines in Hindi and we even get a smattering of English words courtesy of a London-returned character, but Manmarziyaan is most certainly a Punjabi film
https://www.hindustantimes.com/bollywood/manmarziyaan-movie-review-abhishek-bachchan-taapsee-pannu-impress-anurag-kashyap-s-romance-doesn-t/story-kaKlkCmUnfqvuRp5Tw4S8J.html
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Rocky
September 18, 2018
Last weekend I asked my wife if we should go and check out Manmarziyan?
Her response -Mujhey yeh faltu aur zabardasti ka nangpana dekhney ka koi shauk nahee hai !!
meri manmarziyan !!!
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Anu Warrier
September 18, 2018
At last! Like the poster above, I’m glad you didn’t also throw in the ‘second half is too long/humour goes away/’ blah-blah. 🙂 Taapsee Pannu is one actor whom I’ve liked very much in all that I’ve seen of her. At this point, I’ll watch a film for her alone. I’ve never seen an actress before who uses her whole physicality to enact a scene, whether she’s moving or remaining still. And she’s just going from strength to strength.
Vicky Kaushal is fabulous. I watched him recently in Lust Stories and thought, here’s an actor who’s completely secure.
So glad to see Abhishek Bachchan back in form. (And back at all.) This was a guy who really sabotaged his own career by some of his choices – I am in a minority I know, but I think he’s a good actor when he wants to be.
And in recent times, I haven’t watched a film which uses songs so intelligently.
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ashesroy
September 18, 2018
Couple of things-
The talk about the condom was with Rumi’s chachi and not with her in-laws as mentioned in the blog. Check out the scene once again.
The reason it appears why the men are not etched very well, because they are men. Men, in general are perceived lesser than women, in every sense, despite what the general consensus is. And in a way, for Kashyap both men are similar at some level. They could be different in how they look and behave and perceive life in general. But when it comes to Rumi, they are hopelessly in love. So internally, they are the same person. Robbie wants to marry Rumi yet being a banker or a man who deals carefully with transactions, wants to be sure of this transaction of life, before he commits himself to it. Vicky is crazy about her, but his unwillingness to commit comes in their way. But once he realizes that Rumi will be forever gone, he frantically wants to make the relationship work, even he doesn’t have clue on how to make it work. In both the cases, they both go weak in the knees for Rumi.
Manmarziyan will be an important film in discussiing the contemporary relationships in India.
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Sumit Soni
September 18, 2018
Second half was bit stretched. May be because of slow pace and repetitive things. An open ending would have been best. It should have ended where Rumi sends FB request to Robbie and let people decide whether he will accept it or not.
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Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan
September 18, 2018
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Aneesh Raikundalia
September 18, 2018
I’m surprised a lot of people are overlooking the fact that Robbie just as much as Vicky wants to consume her and that’s what costs the breaking of his superiority complex…he think his love is powerful enough for the both of them. He assumes this without telling her.
It’s why he marries her after she says no, he calls the Kakaji and tells him to talk to Vicky’s parents so that they convince him he’s not right for her (Vicky was more than willing to run away, this time with an actual plan).
Robbie has this edge everyone seems to be missing. Did he do the right thing by intervening? The end seems to indicate yes, but he went the wrong way about it and even paid for it.
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lakshmi
September 18, 2018
What’s a ‘flaw trait’?
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Ravneet Gill
September 18, 2018
Mr Ranjan, love your writing but there is a small error here. During the honeymoon, Rumi takes a call from her aunt, her chachi. So, its not his family she is talking to.
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brangan
September 18, 2018
Crap. There was supposed to be a strikethrough on “flaw.” No wonder a couple of people were asking whether I meant flaw or trait.
Thanks, as always, lakshmi.
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Vishakha
September 18, 2018
So the woman goes back/stays with the husband? Is there any movie out there where the woman does not?
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nikkie1602
September 18, 2018
Robbie and Vicky i thought actually subverted the types. There were certain shades to their characters that didnt merely render them ‘types’. With Vicky, it was the awareness of his own flaws. When Rumi berates him about his lack of responsibility, he says he knows what all she says to be true. And Robbie isnt your quintessential nice guy either….for one he doesnt have that Vanrajesque halo exactly. Rumi sleeps with him to mess with Vicky but Robbie agrees fully knowing that she isnt really ready. Robbie is as grey as Rumi and Vicky.
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Aran
September 18, 2018
This was more Aanand L. Rai than Woh Saat Din and HDDCS-like comparisons that are being made. The marriage might be the reason for the comparisons, but it really felt like I was watching an updated version of Tanu Weds Manu rather than those mentioned at the beginning of the review. Someone even commented about the part 2 notion BR seemed to want that already is Tanu Weds Manu 2.
Just a couple of nitpicks: The honeymoon condom scene is with Rumi’s chachi on the phone, not Robbie’s family. And shouldn’t “With Robbie, it’s a weapon for one upmanship” be “With Rumi…?”
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Chaitanya
September 18, 2018
Wow! Excellent Analysis.
It is with the supreme understanding of characters, there lies your ascension as a critic.
Have you reviewed Imtiaz Ali’s Rockstar, Sir?
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Anupama
September 18, 2018
Just pointed out one observation.. when Rumi speaks on phone during honeymoon, the maza araha hai conversation.. it’s not his family.. it’s her Chachiji. Robbie mentions chachiji before handing over the phone to her.. it’s not his family. So it was funny 🙂
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brangan
September 18, 2018
feelings153734711: Sir, but don’t you think that Robbie is not exactly a type
I know there are a few shades to him. Like when he takes off his turban and starts smoking. You get a hint that this Ram-ji type is not who he really is.
But that remains just a hint.
After marriage, he goes back to being Ram-ji type. I never got a hold of the guy.
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brangan
September 18, 2018
All: Thanks. The chachi gaffe was indeed mine. Have fixed it.
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karrvakarela
September 18, 2018
Good review, Baradwaj! We watched “Manmarziyaan” here in Southern California this past weekend. Some great moments in the movie but overall it felt like a rehashing of the themes in both “Dev D” and “Tanu Weds Manu”. I didn’t really buy Vicky Kaushal as the feckless, fidgety Vicky; the performance was too visibly amped up to make it feel real. Kaushal’s a good actor but here you could see him acting, as opposed to just being. Abhishek Bachchan provided counterweight with his Robbie but, in contrast to Kaushal, Bachchan was too sedate, pausing “two beats before lines when only one is necessary.” He didn’t have the edge that would explain his character’s unlikely proclivity towards Rumi. A passing explanation about a traumatizing accident was offered at the very end but it came in too late.
In contrast to the two, Taapsee Pannu owns the movie. Rumi is believable and maddening, vulnerable and manipulative. It’s easy to see how she could be with DJ Sandz but her gradual sobering with Robbie is also plausibly done. She’s given some great dialogues and the Punjabi, both the language and the spirit, is delivered trippingly. (The conversation about the condoms was actually with her own chachi, not her in-laws.)
Kanika Dhillon’s writing was excellent. The supporting cast felt real, people who belonged to that universe and were fluent with it. It was good to hear authentic Punjabi come from their mouths. The music felt a little intrusive, particularly towards the end. I’m not quite sure what purpose the dancing twins served; it seemed derivative of Anurag Kashyap’s earlier touch with the boy dancing at the ghats in Mukkabaaz’s “Paintra”. I actually couldn’t help thinking of Mukkabaaz a few times during the movie, and how Vineet Kumar Singh would have done as Robbie . . .
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Rahul
September 18, 2018
I found the film entertaining but underwhelming. This could partly be because of the high expectations I have from Anurag Kashyap. If you really like a film, the small issues don’t rankle. But considering that Tanu Weds Manu was recently done and was superior to this movie in most respects, I was disappointed.
The dancing twins is a Kashyapism thats been repeated from Dev D – and I would take the guys dancing in the Pardesi song anyday over the twins.
A few times both Robbie and Vicky do not seem to play to their character. Not saying that everyone has to behave predictably but the screenplay has to make it convincing. The most egregeroius example of this is Vicky going to Australia. So, the parents just show him a toy that he got as a kid and got bored easily, and he is like, ok – this makes sense – get my tickets. The film seems to have been finished in a hurry.
Also, the Amrita Pritam reference is half baked. There is really not much similarity between that triangle and this one. If you had to incorporate someone like AP it should not have been halfhearted.
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Ankit V Nahar
September 18, 2018
I always find it difficult to understand characters such as Rumi, Robbie and Vicky. I watched Beats Per Minute a few days back and I felt the same. You know these characters are headed towards self-destruction. How does one root for such characters? I find it difficult to digest that this is how people are in real life, especially Robbie in Manmarziyaan. This is true for Rockstar as well. Is it just a cinematic device to have such characters? Am I overthinking and being overly critical? I have never been able to get my head around these questions. What do you think guys?
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Aran
September 18, 2018
Rahul, yes, that toy scene was over the top. Come hit me over the head with your metaphor, thanks.
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sanjana
September 18, 2018
Everything is fair in love and war seems to be the message.
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vinay
September 18, 2018
Additionally I feel what can be drawn of the movie is a materialistic society we live in along with impatience , intolerance towards people. Also that its difficult to find honest, sincere partner who shall be ready to help make the other half grow as a person and the relation itself.
Perfectly worded Manmarziyaan. A different ending would have been appreciated.
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saurabh sharma
September 18, 2018
love your review Rangan.. A lot of time, when I read your reviews of messy movies, I have to stand and take a walk around in midway.. as there is lot of things to linger on and also a lot of times, just get too excited to be sitting and reading.. This is by far the best piece on the movie..
But I didn’t agree with the Geet thing “only, she doesn’t undergo a personality-altering penance to atone for her Tinder-era recklessness and independent-mindedness”
Would you like to elaborate on the piece.
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Sutheesh Kumar
September 18, 2018
Robbie is not the Ramji was proven in that scene when he goes snooping behind Rumi.
My only gripe is that scene was so conveniently done, felt so staged right down to Abhishek’s reaction after throwing open the gate.
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Naam shabana
September 18, 2018
I agree with the bit where you say that “I felt that, in the Kashyapian universe, Rumi would have ended up with Vicky (who practically disappears post-interval), or better yet, undecided”. I feel that in Hindi movies, women always choose their marriage and consequently their spouse over an old flame..they just learn to love/appreciate them. It sort of shows this reverence for the institution of marriage which is highly misplaced(I am glad he shows rumi sleep with the ex atleast) but would’ve really liked a brave person like Anurag to have broken this pointless reverential attitude towards marriage as an institution.
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Vivek narain
September 18, 2018
Wonder what kind of saint Robbie is,certainly not the one kind that i have known, 20th century’s brightest buccaneer, the Robin hood of modern crime. He seems to be the bank teller kind who plods along, climbing the ladder of hierarchy facing more brickbats than flowers, with a kind of wife that glamourises his otherwise cloddish personality. Rumi is certainly an asset to this sop.
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withinwithoutweb
September 19, 2018
Thank you for this. This movie touched me deeply as I was reminded of my own self who was like Rumi (with some rationality thrown in, not all heart like her) but was tamed by the society or rather got engulfed by the pressures and log Kya kahenge syndrome so much that it absolved me of my identity. It was a timely jolt before I could sink in further deep.
However, I do agree with you. I was rooting for Vicky and probably would like to believe that they would have gotten together. This also comes from the fact that I saw brutal honesty in his love. He is all heart and that is so refreshing!
On the other hand, I thought the grey Wala shade tone set right in the beginning of the movie is apt for Robbie’s character. He wanted to prove his one upmanship for Rumi, was looking for some spice in his life and Rumi was his trophy. Of course his method was Ramji types and there was no adulteration in his love but he did stuff. He called the broker and manipulated him to fix this message by reaching out to Vicky’s parents. It was quite sneaky that in the last conversation, Robbie didn’t even own up to this. He just says that I hoped I would deal with Vicky but couldn’t. So in my mind his motivation to win over Rumi was clear and I too would have liked it to end with they going separate ways.
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Projectorhead (@Projectorhead_)
September 19, 2018
Two essential points or scenes, one of which a reader above me has already mentioned,
a) Robbie’s removal of his turban and subsequent resort to smoking upon being abandoned at the last moment by Rumi: this may be the most significant indicator of the true nature of the film, and its imagination of the modern lovescape as essentially a marketplace (and the necessary implications thereof: the transactions, the manoeuvring, the espionage, the subtle blackmail, the final negotiation and eventually, closure). I do not think it is innocent at all that the profession assigned to Robbie is a banker, or that the first remark he makes when he calls the ‘agent’, Kake Ji, demonstrates cold, empirical logic. His subsequent treatment of Rumi post their marriage actually continues from this scene: he seems to, very deliberately, position himself as an aesthetic counterpoint to the DJ, and his manipulation of Rumi is as complex a game as the DJ orchestrates – only more subtle on the surface. Another crucial scene that also emphasises the market-analogy: when Robbie’s friend trains a gun at DJ’s head, the latter neither remonstrates, nor protests, but instead, launches into a seemingly uncharacteristic and rather smart observation: ‘If I die, she dies too.’ Ordinarily, you would put it beyond him to come up with this, but this is when Robbie realises the height of the wall he will need to scale.
Which brings me to my actual grudge with the film,
b) …is that Kashyap writes and creates female characters who are imbued with superficial markers of ‘strength’ and ‘agency’: they drink, cuss, fuck, smoke and dance – they live in abandon, but one can never lose the eventual sense that they exist, primarily, as objects of his fantasy. This results in a curious collapse of the external facade: the character may ‘seem’ very strong, for sure, but emerge in the final analysis as being subservient or even submissive to the desires of the men (direct expressions of Kashyap’s ego) that surround them. They move around his films like wrecking balls but eventually come to settle into the mould the ‘hero’ manufactures for them. I understand this film is written infact by Kanika Dhillon, but the strangeness and frustration inherent in the film – as well as the circular, repetitive frame that deposits itself upon the film – is I suspect a result of the writer’s effort to protect her characters from the director’s impulses. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but I believe Kashyap is a remarkable, very impressive individual, and so he wins at the end. Rumi may seem to enjoy through the film a very clear, remarkable independence (she is quite literally, unhinged) but is ultimately, domesticated. I am also a little disappointed by how much of an easy prey she is to the distinct manipulations of the two men in her life. They choose different modes to achieve this end: the first, emotional; the second, aspirational, and distressingly, it seems, Rumi is an easy, wilful subject, alternatively, to both. It isn’t her impulsiveness as much as the fact that the film in itself does not allocate her much actual freedom. When Robbie and her are seated on the terrace at night, for instance, she declares she wants to be with him, to which he responds with a near-rebuke, ‘…take your time’ – I was hoping, and if she was actually a strong individual she would, completely thwart him, reject his vulgar patronage of her, and ultimately, utterly destroy his facade. Instead, she sits with the same, confused, cross-eyed expression that the DJ can induce in her through a line or two of love.
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Shakti
September 19, 2018
Love the way you have detailed.
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Apu
September 19, 2018
Thanks for a great review BR.
As usual, the comment space adds to the nuances and I am glad to know that Robbie and Vicky are not exactly a type. I am a little tired of a exciting brat vs a self sacrificing bore dynamic.
However, Aran: “You know these characters are headed towards self-destruction. How does one root for such characters? I find it difficult to digest that this is how people are in real life, especially Robbie in Manmarziyaan. This is true for Rockstar as well. Is it just a cinematic device to have such characters? Am I overthinking and being overly critical? ”
While I do think that such people of course exist in reality, and the change in social taboos and technology have made people more complex, I have the same questions about the directors’ fascination to these kind of characters. It also seems to be what BR mentions that when society or family does not create drama, the characters create it themselves.
I know, if Robbie did not opt for Rumi, or if Vicky did not vacillate in his commitment or if Rumi found it so difficult to let go, we would not have had a film.
However, it is sometimes exasperating to find no characters representing someone like me or the people I know around me – who have a varied life, but are not exactly self destructing. Maybe we are not fun enough 🙂
Also the trope of girls who smoke, drink and cuss – does that add anything to the character definition any more? What’s so special about someone defined that way? Haven’t these become normal? (Bringing this up because the review says this about Rumi – Rumi smokes. She drinks. She screams at the pani puri wala because the sauce is not hot enough).
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Anuja Chandramouli
September 19, 2018
Projectorhead: “is that Kashyap writes and creates female characters who are imbued with superficial markers of ‘strength’ and ‘agency’: they drink, cuss, fuck, smoke and dance – they live in abandon, but one can never lose the eventual sense that they exist, primarily, as objects of his fantasy.”
This was the thing that got my goat as well. Suddenly it is the woke thing to portray small -town, ‘hockeywali’ types as ‘liberated’ women who seem to do little beyond drink, smoke, cuss and er… be hypersexual. Sure, a lot of empowered women may do these things but there is so much more that defines them. And surely a smart filmmaker like Kashyap can come up with better ways to portray spirit and feistiness rather than trot out these cliches which are getting really old?
It bothered me that Rumi seemed to have little drive and ambition outside of her sex life and marriage. Even if she was mad at commitment phobic Vicky why act as though she has no other option but to marry Robbie whom she barely knows? Or the scene where Vicky goes along with her hare – brained scheme to elope and has no answers when she asks about what they are going to do, where they are going to live etc… Rumi is outraged at Vicky and it was bizarre that knowing him as she did, Rumi actually expected the dude to have a plan. And why on Earth didn’t she make any arrangements of her own, instead of expecting a guy named DJ Sandzz with blue hair to take care of her needs?
As for Robbie, I hated the guy. I simply loathe guys like him who ignore a woman’s will and manipulate their way into possessing them, then act all saint – like about it. His strategy seems to be to wear her down though he is perfectly aware that her heart belongs to another. Ewww…. Shame on him! Vicky at least is more honest if exasperating. Still, it would have been nicer if Rumi had the smarts to ditch both instead of making her life all about choosing between two schmucks. But then again they are the three schmucks so perhaps it all makes sense in Kashyap’s weirdoville.
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Devarsi Ghosh
September 19, 2018
Projectorhead’s coment is a gem.
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Vivek
September 19, 2018
Great review! I found the moment when Robbie on knowing Rumi cancelled the wedding, removes his turban, smokes tells agent to handle Vicky thru his parents, removes his wedding dress while Vicky is shown convinced not to marry Rumi. This all shows dark and manipulative side of Robbie, shown mostly as winning Rumi thru manipulation is another banking deal. Till then end we probably didn’t know who really Robbie is and how he is going to be post marriage. Who knows ama Manmarziyaan 2 is going to happen showings real Robbie and eventually Vicky back from Australia ready to be husband material! I can’t wait to see that happen 🙂
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brangan
September 19, 2018
karvakarela: Good to see you again. Been years 🙂
Projectorhead: Loved your comment. But the way I see it, the “complex game” is actually part of the passive-aggressive nature (if you want to see it as that), and that is very much a part of the template/type. Mohan in Mouna Raagam, Girish Karnad in Swami… they kill you with kindness, get the audience on their side, and you begin to say things like “Why doesn’t she see he is SUCH a nice guy!”
But it didn’t bother me that these earlier prototypes went ahead and married the girl, because they did not know about the Other Guy. Here, it seemed a bit weird that Robbie went ahead with marriage even after this knowledge. An engagement, I can wrap my head around…
Anuja Chandramouli: It bothered me that Rumi seemed to have little drive and ambition outside of her sex life and marriage.
I don’t find this a problem. There are people who are career-driven. There are people who are happy selling hockey equipment and obsessing about their love lives. That’s the character. It’s not the filmmaker’s responsibility to show PC-ness.
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sensoumya93
September 19, 2018
Beautiful reviews Sir. I loved the way you described Rumi.
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Projectorhead (@Projectorhead_)
September 19, 2018
Glad you like the comment.
‘But it didn’t bother me that these earlier prototypes went ahead and married the girl, because they did not know about the Other Guy. Here, it seemed a bit weird that Robbie went ahead with marriage even after this knowledge. An engagement, I can wrap my head around…’
I think the scene that follows the confrontation between the DJ and Robbie’s friends at the disco is instructive: the latter, driven by Robbie, are travelling inside a car. One of them makes a brash, brutish remark to the tune of your question – ‘Why would you still want to marry her?’ (this is a reiteration: everyone from Kaka ji to his mother raise a similar concern with him) – but Robbie remains serene and composed. I think in this he emerges as an interesting, complex character, because he is defined, more than the others in the film, by a grand, logic-based design that remains invisible to us but can therefore be deliberated upon: is it, for instance, not natural to speculate that an individual who returned from London (after how many years, who knows) will want to believe that his perception of an individual, or an event, is superior to that of his cohorts, who have never really left Amritsar? This form of smugness is rather typical – and also not incredible to claim in the case of Robbie, whose second scene in the film has him declaring his ’emancipatory’ conquest over the archaic ideas of his mother (‘I want a life partner for myself, not a daughter-in-law for you’). I think this, among various other qualities which have been detailed here in other posts, fuels Robbie’s desire, in a way, to possess Rumi at any cost – and by means of this, prove the others around him wrong. They can only see the surface, he seems to think, but I will cultivate in her a deep personality – in short, make her a personal project (much like, say, the director of the film does of his actresses).
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Projectorhead (@Projectorhead_)
September 19, 2018
Also, about the DJ, one of Robbie’s remarks is essential: ‘I can ignore him. Can you?’ This is not an equal competition at all for him. It is a question of taste. He may seem like it, but he does not – and does not want to – belong to Amritsar at all.
There is also the massive old element of star politics that informs the course of this film, but I think we must save that for later.
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Krishikari
September 19, 2018
Absolutely incisive comment by Projectorhead about Kashyap women. loved this:
“I understand this film is written infact by Kanika Dhillon, but the strangeness and frustration inherent in the film – as well as the circular, repetitive frame that deposits itself upon the film – is I suspect a result of the writer’s effort to protect her characters from the director’s impulses.”
I have not seen this film yet but heard this sentiment from one of the writers of Sacred Games too! Look at Rajeshri Deshpande’s character. I went back to the book and the author’s women are not just there to prop up the men but this director makes that change.
BR: ” It’s not the filmmaker’s responsibility to show PC-ness.”
It’s not about responsibility, PC or career oriented women. Being creative not hackneyed is his job. Give characters a life, it’s just very tiring and disheartening to constantly watch good actors giving their all to limited writing in film after film. If a director makes half his audience feel that way, we can call him out on this flaw trait. I think what is being asked for is very, very little but even that is begrudged.
She can smoke and drink but she cannot think. That is not entertaining, some resourcefullness is also fun to watch. In all the Kalki roles in his earlier films too, there is a lot of activity but a sort of blank under the actions. I think he tries to make women real people but can’t help but make them no more than a (strong and feisty) support system for men.
In Bareilly ki Barfi, the woman was doing all this smoking, drinking, dancing stuff, yet I felt that she had a uniqueness that was fully entertaining, it didn’t become a PC message movie. Tanu weds Manu as well. I have no problem with the small town loosu ponnu as long as we can also see inside their heads a bit.
One of my favourite women characters in a film is Rani Mukherjee in the utterly ludicrous Aiyaa. In that the man is the blank slate on whom she projects her fantasies. Tables are turned, but Prithiviraj is still given a whole other life apart from her even in this role reversal take on romance. Women deserve that too, but it will only come with more women writing, directing and producing.
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Krishikari
September 19, 2018
Having said all that, I remain a huge Anurag Kashyap fan.
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Rahul
September 19, 2018
“is that Kashyap writes and creates female characters who are imbued with superficial markers of ‘strength’ and ‘agency’: they drink, cuss, fuck, smoke and dance – they live in abandon, but one can never lose the eventual sense that they exist, primarily, as objects of his fantasy.”
Projectorhead and others, I have a question – Why do you think these are markers of strength ? You have yourself qualified it as a “superficial marker” , but still, it being a marker of strength is what your post seems to be based on. I have read this objection so many times on these pages – that drinking and smoking are used as a shorthand for being empowered, woke , strong etc. Perhaps we need to take a step back and examine why we think a woman needs to be strong, empowered , progressive etc to do these things. If a man does that, my first reaction would be to call them hedonistic – and I do not mean that as a value judgement. We all are hedonistic beings, specially in late teens and early twenties . Why not let a woman have fun , or (fun\fuck + pyar =) fyar without putting the onus on her to be strong , progressive etc.
The film has been very explicit in touting fyar as the main glue between Vicky and Rumi. In one scene when Vicky exhorts Rumi to stay with him, his winning argument seems to be , “who will fyar you so many times in the day as I can.” Rumi also does not hesitate to fyar with Robbie before resolving her feelings for Vicky. In fact the films title – Manmarziyaan , also points towards hedonistic reading of the characters. When Rumi thinks that the fyar with Robbie is good enough and also in long term there are other things to enjoy in life , and for which Robbie is a better candidate than Vicky , she makes the choice accordingly.
The hedonistic reading I think also explains the two male characters . In my own comment above i was wondering why Vicky gives up on Rumi so easily . Perhaps he realizes that they do not have much in common besides the fyar and also he does not know what he wants from life and from her , apart from fyar. Same for Robbie – he gets into the fray, marries Rumi even when he realizes Vicky is still around because he desires her. When he follows Rumi, he does not seem to be angry that she is meeting Vicky and probably having fyar with him, but what gets his goat is that when she is fyaring with him she may still be seeing Vicky’s face, and that can be a buzzkill however good the fyar is otherwise.
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Anu Warrier
September 19, 2018
The drinking-smoking-cussing persona didn’t bother me too much in this film. a) Because Taapsee owned her character. B) Perhaps because, while Hindi cinema may just be waking up to this, I’ve known small-town girls who drank, smoked and cussed with abandon. And they didn’t do it to be ‘modern’. In fact, they would have laughed at the thought.
Because deep down, they were conservative enough to want a home and husband of their own. They didn’t think of ‘careers’; they thought of ‘jobs’ if at all they thought of it. To a large extent, even when marriage ‘tamed’ them, it didn’t. These girls became women who drank and smoked and cussed, though in a slightly more restrained fashion than before. They didn’t change, and they were perfectly content with that dichotomy.
I’m also surprised at the Tanu Weds Manu references – I hated that film (well, Part 2 anyway except for ‘Kusum’) and I thought this was far superior. IMO, of course.
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sanjana
September 19, 2018
Manmarziyaan makers delete three scenes. Here’s why
The makers of Manmarziyaan have decided to delete three scenes after the Supreme Sikh Organisation raised objection where Abhishek Bachchan’s Robbie smokes a cigarette after removing his turban. Director Anurag Kashyap has also issued a statement on the same.
https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/anurag-kashyap-manmarziyaan-smoking-scene-controversy-5364411/
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Tambi Dude
September 19, 2018
Ho Ho Ho. For all his bravado, AK kee G phat gayee. That guy would have shown middle finger for offending Hindus. Life lesson: Thuggery pays.
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Rocky
September 19, 2018
LMAO, apparently Udta Punjab trick did not work here , so ab self delete hee karo , thoda toh news mein rahegee pichchar !!
No outrage from the FOE folks either .
Mann kyon behka rey behka aadhi raat ko…
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Vivek narain
September 19, 2018
Women in hick towns of uttar pradesh drive a heap, booze, smoke bidi and cuss with incendiary words and tone that can sear a soul, What’s the big deal? some can even shoot from hip, they go for a tumble at the drop of a s****r.
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Aran
September 19, 2018
Anu, for me, the film resonated with Tanu Weds Manu rather than anything else because that and Ranjhana are the ones that started that kind of a ‘small town-hard storytelling’ kind of ethos when it comes to romantic movies in Bollywood.
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Anu Warrier
September 20, 2018
TambiDude, Anurag Kashyap didn’t delete the scenes; the producers did. Kashyap’s message was a genuine apology to those whose feelings were genuinely hurt, and a middle finger to those who used this scene to gain attention.
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Anup
September 20, 2018
This review so similar to the movie, way to long, and half way through you just want to quit. Although, I am a big Kashyap fan (Black Friday) this and his last few ventures are an indication that he is a sellout and has lost his touch. It’s bit unfortunate because he had the potential of attaining a legendary status had he stuck to his ideals. Also, Kanika Dillon is overrated, she has zero pedigree and still gets mentioned. Can’t understand why?
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Tambi Dude
September 20, 2018
Anu: Please read this.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqll
“Technology does not allow us to cut a scene and it affects the story telling . So I definitely can not do that now.”
It is clear that he was willing to delete the scenes, stopped only by the technology.
He would not even offer apology by his highly offensive leftish lies, even after being proved wrong.
The cynic in me thinks that was shitting in his pants after feeling the sikh rage, and like a coward opted for this.
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Srinivas R
September 20, 2018
@TambiDude – if you read his whole apology, he has explained that this was done in consent with Sikhs in Amritsar. In the end he rebukes people who seek attention. Where you see cowardice, I see exasperation. Sort of “idhellam our prechanayada”.
BTW, genuinely interested in knowing what are the leftist lies he peddled that were proven wrong.
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brangan
September 20, 2018
Yeah, I don’t see why you say “cowardice” when the last line of his tweet is basically saying “if you want attention, then you got it.”
He made HIS stance clear. The eventual cutting of these bits could be due to any number of factors — say, pressure from co-producers or theatre owners.
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mrinalnarayan
September 20, 2018
@brangan Felt the same regarding the usage of soundtracks!!
Think the last time I remember soundtracks being used in a movie in a similar way was “Ok Kanmani”, almost like background scores, storytelling tool in the film. Tastefully done.
And here the original songs sometimes play from a radio in the house / say a tea stall and merge with the narrative
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Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan
September 20, 2018
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Tambi Dude
September 20, 2018
@srinivas: Then all the more reason for him to say FO to those who got offended. The cowardice is in his capitulation.
Also this is not the right forum to continue talking about him. If you are interested reach out to me at tambidude @ aol.com. Suffice to say, I like his movies, but I don’t like him as a person.
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Srinivas R
September 20, 2018
@Tambidude – See tweet above. I am still debating if it’s worth both our times to take this further, will reach out if i feel like. Thanks for the response.
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Rocky
September 20, 2018
Blame the censors ( Udta Punjab) , blame the producers ( La La ) , blame the actors ( yuva)..
Ek tujh mein hee hai Gyaan rey bhaiyya, baaki hain sab Anjaan !!
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Anu Warrier
September 20, 2018
@TambiDude, you focus on the ‘technology doesn’t allow us’ and I focus on ‘…it affects the story-telling. So I definitely can’t do it now.’ He wasn’t even in the country when the scenes were deleted. And his latest tweet makes it clear that he had no hand in it. That Eros Now decided to delete the ‘offending’ scenes is not Kashyap’s fault. I fail to see ‘cowardice’ when he’s basically said, ‘Yeah, you want attention? You got it?’ and ‘Now everyone in Punjab is safe.’
I don’t know what ‘leftist lies’ he spouted or what you seem to hold against him (and that’s absolutely your prerogative to hate the man) but I think he’s one of the few people who has been honest about the films he wants to make. However, I will agree with you that being offended and public outrage seems to get people what they want.
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Naman jain
September 20, 2018
what a good review. Haven’t read such review form any film critic.
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Tambi Dude
September 20, 2018
@anu:
“And his latest tweet makes it clear that he had no hand in it. ”
He did not state that he disapproves it either. When he had no hand in it, why not make it clear that he disapproves the decision to delete the scenes.
He tweeted this too :
“All I can say is I am sorry. That was never the intention. People can be cruel and frivolous . But I was caught up in telling the story of an individual .”
To me it is clearly at odds with what he wrote earlier about respecting Sikh traditions blah blah. So why sorry? Will you be apologetic for something you feel you never did wrong.
“I don’t know what ‘leftist lies’ he spouted or what you seem to hold against him (and that’s absolutely your prerogative to hate the man) ”
I have followed him in social media long enough to know that he belongs to those self proclaimed intellect who think all social ills of India started from 26-May-2014 and before that there was RamRajya. I have no intention to educate others about it and I also understand that others may not have to agree with me.
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Anu Warrier
September 20, 2018
He did not state that he disapproves it either.
Say what? Did you read the same tweet I did?
Before my tweet is taken down -Congratulations . Here by all problems of Punjab are solved and Sikh youth have been saved . Happy to be back in LaLa land again. Next time you are threatened by a film please call Kishore Lulla directly on Eros knows how to solve matters in minutes pic.twitter.com/4yqU3T9utK
— Anurag Kashyap (@anuragkashyap72) September 20, 2018
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Rocky
September 20, 2018
I hope the producers unite and refuse to produce any movies by Khapshyap after he posted Kishore Lulla’s Phone number in public domain. I mean seriously , how unprofessional can he be ?
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Rocky
September 20, 2018
Tambi Dude- take a bow , you the man !!
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Vivek narain
September 20, 2018
Post ’14 India is up for grabs by hacksters, an unprecedented gloom has shrouded unprivileged sector which accounts for 80% of population.
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Rocky
September 20, 2018
Post ’14 India has been rescued from the hacksters, an unprecedented gloom has shrouded self styled privileged sector which accounts for 2.05% of population.
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sanjana
September 20, 2018
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Manikandan V
September 20, 2018
Nice Review BR, I guess Anurag Kashyap has gone a bit soft and steady like Robbie where as we all look for Vicky in him
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Apu
September 20, 2018
I am not a big fan of Anurag Kashyap movies (not my type), but seriously Rocky and Tambi Dude – do you understand sarcasm at all?
And big deal about posting Kishore Lulla’s information.
Alas, no amount of tweet by AK seems to convince you two that he did not sell out.
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Rocky
September 21, 2018
Apu – jissney barso sey inn logo kee hypocrisy dekhi ho, woh inkey sarcasm ko bhee phoonk phoonk kar absorb kartey hain !!
Aside- I am astounded that only Kashyap and Tapsee are tweeting about it… baaki saree kashyap gang now has cushy jobs with the studios , toh phatt rahee hai unn sabkee – sannnatta !!
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Tambi Dude
September 21, 2018
@apu:
““All I can say is I am sorry. That was never the intention. People can be cruel and frivolous . But I was caught up in telling the story of an individual .”
Are you telling this is sarcastic?
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Ravi K
September 21, 2018
Do these religious groups in India have nothing else to do? As if no Sikh has ever been a smoker.
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Dracarys
September 21, 2018
” The modernity is not in her clothes. It’s in her mind.”
The above line from the Mani Ratnam movie list for the heroine in pallavi anu pallavi applies to the faux redhead in this movie albeit in a TOTALLY OPPOSITE direction!
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Anu Warrier
September 21, 2018
Tambidude – you can, of course, cherrypick parts of his apology. What he did say that he was sorry he had hurt the feelings of anyone who was genuinely hurt. But he was caught up in telling the story of individuals, not the religion concerned. And he ended it by saying that the people who were protesting for the sake of attention, he was happy they got some. He did not aplogise for showing what he did or for making the film; he apologised that his showing it hurt someone’s feelings.
And he certainly did not ‘sell out’ or any of the other pejoratives that you and Rocky used. He put his movie out there for viewing for others who were not hurt by his depiction. There’s only so much care you can take filming, after all.
Then, his producers got cold feet and deleted those scenes – without his consent. He knew about it only when someone posted the censor certificate with the deleted scenes for him. And he responded by saying that anyone who has hurt feelings need not protest; they can now directly call the producers and get the offensive scenes deleted. And of course, that will solve all the problems in the land. As Apu pointed out, it was a very sarcastic post. And so is Taapsee’s. And she’s a Punjabi (and I think, Sikhni, but I could be wrong about that). Good for her.
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Madan
September 21, 2018
Apropos pseudo intellectual and 2014, sorry but isn’t it the BJP which claims that nothing good ever happened in 67 years of independence (including I presume the five years of able stewardship provided by ABV)? Why are only THEY allowed to peddle cock and bull narratives?
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Tambi Dude
September 21, 2018
Anu: No Anu I am not Cherry picking. I am only quoting the obvious which conflicts so much with his past behavior under similar conditions. As ironical as it may sound, I would have respected him more if he had issued no apology, no clarification and put his foot down in deleting those scenes and stopped it from being deleted. Keep in mind, this is the same person who shamelessly quotes others praising him as a fearless person 🙂
BTW AK tweeted that it is technically impossible to delete scenes. Then how are the scenes going to be deleted this weekend. Did he lie about it?
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Ruminating Aesthete
September 21, 2018
I personally felt Manmarziyan was a great idea that somehow got partly undone by the lack of skills and finesse of the female lead. However Vicky Kaushal shines, AB does occasionally as well (shine), and there are the unmistakable Kashyapian moments – all over the film – which make the movie a great watch in spite of its shortcomings. The movie is stylistically fresh, but the layered character- Rumi – whose arc is the heart of the film, needed a more able and dexterous actor.
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Rocky
September 21, 2018
Now Anand L Rai speaks-
Director-producer Aanand L Rai on Thursday defended the decision to cut three smoking-related scenes from the film ‘Manmarziyaan’, saying their non-inclusion does not ‘compromise’ with its genre.
Earlier, Eros implied that the decision to cut the scenes was taken by the creative producer of the film, Colour Yellow Productions which is run by Rai.
In a statement, Rai said, “These cuts were made on a call taken by Colour Yellow Team. I feel we need to understand that this controversy happened after the film has released which leaves the producers and studio extremely vulnerable.”
“My heart goes out to Anurag, but in the current situation, we have to be practical,” he said.
https://www.deccanchronicle.com/entertainment/bollywood/210918/manmarziyaan-controversy-aanand-l-rai-anurag-smoking-sikh-delete-abhis.html
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Rocky
September 21, 2018
In light of the above , whatever pejoratives were used earlier for Khaapshap – bahut kamm thay !!
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Tambi Dude
September 21, 2018
Madan: BJP is a political party. They make as much silly claims as other political parties. I am talking about “intellectuals”, both real and imaginary, who are peddling this nonsense about “hindu pakistan” after 26-May-2014. One such “intellectual” is AK.
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Vivek narain
September 21, 2018
Can i offer a thought? i really think that it’s highly unlikely that AK cares about our opinions. What’s more,i have a sneaking suspicion that he doesn’t even scroll through this thread.
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Madan
September 22, 2018
@ Tambidude:Surely you cannot have missed the numerous posts, on WhatsApp news and otherwise, by intellectuals, real or self proclaimed, spouting this Congress 67 years? So when I mentioned BJP, I was referring to the right in general. They have no moral high ground in this argument. It is they who have resorted to building a dystopian narrative to hide their own flaws. Same as Trump. Right wing is so patriotic that they go around telling everyone the country is going to the dogs just so they can get votes. And more fool we the voters for giving them the chance.
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Tambi Dude
September 22, 2018
@madan: This does not belong here. My email id tambidude @ aol.com. I am not going to argue here anymore.
It is a tragedy if the issue of right vs left gets conflated with BJP vs Congress or in USA Democrats vs Republicans, as if they are synonymous.
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Anu Warrier
September 22, 2018
I give up. If you’re determined to see Kashyap’s anger over the censoring of a film after the film cleared the censor board as ‘cowardice’ then no matter what I, or anyone else says, you’re going to twist his words to mean what you want them to mean. In any case, the crowing over someone’s discomfort in this thread is getting too much. And since we won’t agree, even to disagree, I’ll cede the argument to you.
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Tambi Dude
September 22, 2018
And I also give up arguing with someone who takes each such incident in isolation without knowing the past of the person and the trend demonstrated by that person.
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Rocky
September 22, 2018
Re.-BJP vs. Congress….
Hum zara shot sey alag kya huey, “Sach” ko “Lal-Hara salaam” lag gaya!!
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Vivek narain
September 22, 2018
The country has gone to dogs, and the dogs have left the country. Shllls are having a hey day,like vultures smelling decay. The freaks are acting a shade too cute, but their noses are unclean. Perhaps they are getting a rake off, steering some of the heels towards the raucous group of marauders.
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Rocky
September 23, 2018
The best way to get relief from anger, frustration and depression would be that – we should all with absolute vineet , hands folded close our eyes and put our thoughts, mind and vivek as close to the supreme Narayan as possible and pray.
Aside: Bharat Mata Kee Jai bolna also helps and is highly recommended .
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Apu
September 25, 2018
Anu: “I give up. If you’re determined to see Kashyap’s anger over the censoring of a film after the film cleared the censor board as ‘cowardice’ then no matter what I, or anyone else says, you’re going to twist his words to mean what you want them to mean.”
I have been sitting on my hand for the same reason.
This thread is about the movie, let us keep it that way. Of course, this is uncensored, so the responsibility lies on the posters.
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Rocky
September 25, 2018
seems like Manmarziyan went through a lot of changes from the start only, matlab what a rollercoaster journey this movie has had. from Ayshmaan to Dulquer to Abhishekh, and from Sameer Sharma to Ashwiny Aiyyer Tiwari to Khapshap …
http://www.india.com/showbiz/dulquer-salman-steps-into-ayushmaan-khurranas-shoes-joins-taapsee-pannu-vicky-kaushal-in-manmarziyaan-2711498/
So looks like, Manmarziyan if finally happening. After being put on the back burner and almost being shelved, the film, which is a love triangle, is showing sings of being able to see the light of day. The film’s cast if now final, with Dulquer Salman stepping into Ayushmann Khurrana’s shoes and joining Taapsee Pannu (who replaced Bhumi Pednekar) and Vicky Kaushal are also part of the film. The film will be South Indian heartthrobs’s second Bollywood film, after he makes his Hindi film debut with Karwaan.
While the new update on the film is certainly good news; from all the changes in not just the cast but also the director has us a little skeptical. For the uninitiated, Manmarziyan, produced by Aanand L. Rai, was to be directed by Sameer Sharma but creative differences made way for Ashwiny Iyer Tiwari. Now, finally, Anurag Kashyap is directing the film. Interestingly, all the three aforementioned directors have different sensibilities. So something about the film has certainly changed.
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Ruminating Aesthete
September 27, 2018
Why does every discussion have to degenerate into one that dwells on politics, caste or the right vs left issue. I feel cinematic aesthetics, cinematic technique and film historiography are much more relevant and lot more interesting when discussed, in this format – or else u are gonna jus see all discussions degenerate into an unending tu tu mein mein.
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