Pankaj Tripathi and Janhvi Kapoor form a terrific father-daughter team that becomes the emotional core of a beautifully written drama.
Spoilers ahead…
Flight Lieutenant Gunjan Saxena is the first woman IAF officer to go to war, the only woman to be part of the Kargil War, the first woman to be awarded the Shaurya Chakra… Her life reads like something you’d see in a superhero comic. Gunjan Saxena: The Kargil Girl is the origins story. We open with a troop of soldiers needing to be evacuated from a zone riddled with enemy fire. Back at base camp, a senior officer says the mission will be carried out by our heroine, and we cut to a… slo-mo “hero” introduction shot, like in our masala cinema. As Gunjan Saxena (Janhvi Kapoor) races to her chopper, we see the legs, the stiff-spined back, and finally, the face. At that point, I winced and thought… too much, too soon? Are we in for a rah-rah story, with a readymade-for-worship heroine?
But almost at once, we are packed off to the past and the rest of this film, it turns out, is the lead-up to this moment. This heroine is far from readymade. Forget others doubting her abilities, she doubts herself. And by the end, when we return to this war zone, we realise how well-deserved this slo-mo intro shot was. It marks the birth of this superhero-ine — not just the moment the world will see her as one, but also the moment she wills herself to be one.
The Kargil Girl is a powerful drama and the closing scenes left me in a state of free-flowing tears, but for the first half-hour or so, I simply got the sense of… competence. The writing, by director Sharan Sharma and Nikhil Mehrotra, moves in sharp, clean lines — there’s none of the Shakuntala Devi-like clutter. (I loved how the passage of five years, around the time Gunjan tries to get into flying school, is compressed into one sweetly comic stretch.) But it’s also a tad generic, and the score a tad too insistent. Here, the young Gunjan is ushered into a plane’s cockpit by a sympathetic stewardess who sees how badly the girl wants to see the skies outside. There, we see Gunjan in class, drawing pictures of aircraft and also drawing the teacher’s wrath.
But slowly — and despite these biopic generalities — the film’s specifics pull us in. Take Gunjan’s brother (Angad Bedi). “Ladkiyan pilot nahin banti,” he mocks her, when they’re still kids dreaming big. He thinks women can only be stewardesses. This comes from ingrained patriarchy, of course, but the writing humanises the character. He’s worried for this girl who’s always been sheltered. Later, when they meet again in Kargil — he’s in the Army — he brings up the topic of their parents. What he says without saying is: I am a man and I am in the Army, and that’s okay, but if something happens to me, who’s going to take care of mummy and papa? It’s how a lot of men thought in the 1990s. It’s how a lot of men think today.
Or take the flying-school instructor who can barely hide his irritation with Gunjan’s presence in the all-male academy. (Vineet Kumar Singh plays this man beautifully, making him tough and a taskmaster without making him a macho cliché.) Again, like Gunjan’s brother, he may be sexist, but he’s not just that. There’s something else. His job, as he sees it, is to serve/save the nation, not to provide equal employment opportunities — and he equates serving/saving with brute strength. An arm-wrestling contest he puts Gunjan through is painful to watch. It’s a superb scene. We feel for her — yet, we also see where he’s coming from.
This arm-wrestling moment is revisited — heart-warmingly — in the end, in the best mainstream tradition. The Kargil Girl doesn’t reject the grammar of “Hindi cinema”. It builds on it. One of my favourite touches is how flying becomes Gunjan’s “relationship”. It’s treated in a way another film would treat a boyfriend. Early on, we get a song that says: Tujh sang bandhi yeh man ki dori. And later, after Gunjan decides to quit flying, we get a “twin” song that extends the metaphor from that earlier number and says: Mahiya ve, dori tutt gaiyaan. The words in Kausar Munir’s lyrics (mahiya, man ki dori) are usually used for a beloved. It’s just that here, it’s a plane and not a person.
But unlike in the Hindi movies from the Kargil era, there’s very little melodrama — even the tricolour is showcased discreetly, in the far distance or in the corner of a frame. The palette is discreet, too. It’s only when we get to a marriage scene that we see how much colour has been drained from the rest of the film. The scenes in the flying academy are ripe for amping-up. There’s no women’s toilet. There’s no changing room. There’s no co-pilot, as no man wants to fly with Gunjan. There’s no friend, as everyone scatters when she nears them. But there’s no solo violin, either. We feel the sadness without hearing it on the soundtrack. The Commanding Officer (an excellent Manav Vij) may feel fatherly towards her, but he’s certainly not the kind of father who’ll pat your back or smile. As with the music, we feel his fatherliness without hearing it in his lines.
That task is left to Gunjan’s very fatherly father back home, played by Pankaj Tripathi in a performance as sweet and as comforting as the cassata ice-creams he serves at home. He plays some fussy, near-silent comedy (just watch how he pours water from a jug, balancing it in the air with the preciseness of a tightrope walker) and brightens the film’s mood. The character also balances out the sexism we see in the other men, but without making a fuss about it. When he sees his son mocking Gunjan’s flying ambitions, he says, “Jab plane ko farak nahin padta hai ki usey kaun uda raha hai, toh tumhe kya hai? (Why do you care who’s flying the plane when the plane itself doesn’t?) He doesn’t raise his voice one bit, and this is the same tone he uses in a terrific scene with his daughter, when he mocks her defeatist attitude. This is equality. This is also one of the great supporting performances in recent times. Even when the man is not on screen, we sense his presence, like a spirit.
And Janhvi is right up there. I can’t say I bought her one big explosion — but she’s brilliant in a quieter dramatic scene where she swallows a lump in her throat while speaking to her father over the phone. Janhvi may turn out to be an actress who does more with less: her half-smiles to herself after small accomplishments (like a successful training session) resemble those of a girl opening her exam answer paper and seeing an “A”. Scrubbed of makeup, there’s a tentativeness about her, a fragileness, a “not yet fully formed” quality — and these traits are a perfect fit with Gunjan, who is finding herself through the course of this movie. I was often reminded of the scene in The Silence of the Lambs where a tiny Jodie Foster enters a lift with basketball player-high colleagues. As an aside, The Kargil Girl inadvertently touches on the nepotism issue when the shorter-than-required Gunjan is discovered to have longer-than-average limbs. “Jise bhagwan ne hi chuna ho usey hum kaise reject kar sakte hain?” says the selection-committee officer, and I laughed. A mischievous reading of the line could go thus: If God Himself has put someone in a position of privilege, what can mere men do about it? #tooSoon? #okayJustKidding #really
But elsewhere, this is a sobering story that, at one point, pauses at a memorial for martyrs. This is an important moment because of who Gunjan Saxena is today, a brave daughter of the nation — but it’s also important in the context of who she was then. The most brilliant writing decision is to have Gunjan question her place in the Air Force. (The line comes from her mother, first.) She just wanted to fly planes, but she’s now in the Air Force, which is — if anything — a higher calling. Does she have the requisite “desh bhakt” in her? The Kargil Girl doesn’t answer this question directly, but it tells us that patriotism isn’t necessarily about what we feel. It can also be what we end up doing. Gunjan Saxena may not have joined the Air Force as a “patriot”, but there’s little doubt she ended up one.
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rsylviana
August 10, 2020
#tooSoon? #okayJustKidding #really
Speaking for myself , YES !
Also would like to know the translation for these lines which you have mentioned – Tujh sang bandhi yeh man ki dori and Mahiya ve, dori tutt gaiyaan
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ravenus1
August 10, 2020
Wow, even the trailer of the film didn’t really sell me, I saw it as one of those generic rah-rah underdog wins vehicles for a star kid. But now I guess I’ll have to give this a look.
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Srinivas R
August 10, 2020
Sounds Interesting, Pankaj Thripathi is always good to watch, I think I will end up watching this for him.
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Anu Warrier
August 10, 2020
I wasn’t going to watch this initially – because I honestly didn’t feel like watching another rah-rah film about hypernationalism. Yet the real Gunjan Saxena’s story of grit and courage made me inquisitive about how she would be portrayed on screen. And I was ambivalent about Jahnvi, but her turn in Ghost Stories made me like her quite a bit. Now, your review makes me want to watch it even more.
It is sad that this is the first film with a star kid to be released in the SSR aftermath – I fear it will be a casualty.
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fruitBR
August 10, 2020
Just coincidences I guess:
Almost all famous critics have seen this two days before release and are giving it a positive review (the last time this happened was Baahubali? Even Endgame, Joker and other well reviewed movies had a lot of negative reviews) with terms like “the ultimate outsider movie”. Including BR, who usually doesn’t review Hindi movies till a few days after release (Dil Bechara was an exception). So the makers’ plan is to promote this movie by making critics watch it two days prior so that the positive reviews will make the people go “Hmmm maybe i should give this a try”.
Yaara kaapatha sonna , Yaara kaapaatharinga!
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Krithika
August 11, 2020
Hmmm an overrated review IMHO but yes could be a breather for Bollywood to get a decent review from you amid all the scandals right now. Well done!
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Skg
August 11, 2020
At the end of the article, it says, copyright, should not be reproduced, but the article reproduced whole movie, with important scenes explained, is it a story telling article or review article.. pl dont ruin the efforts of writer director and team.
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An Jo
August 11, 2020
@rsylvania – Mahiyave door tut gayan – i have been untethered from you
Tujh sang bandi man ki Dori – my heart and mind were tethered to you
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abishekspeare
August 11, 2020
Today is the first time in my experience that it’s 5pm and BR still hasn’t moderated any of the comments. This is sad
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brangan
August 11, 2020
abishekspeare: Getting on comments right now. Was using my phone all day. Just got to the computer now 🙂
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brangan
August 11, 2020
Anu Warrier: Yeah, she was very good in GHOST STORIES and she has that same vibe here. I really really liked the film. It’s one of the few biopics I’ve seen where we know (now) the greatness of the person, but NOT ONCE do we see this greatness on screen. In the sense that the character is not deified AT ALL. I was very pleasantly surprised by how normal the writing made her feel.
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brangan
August 11, 2020
fruitBR: I am not trying to change your opinion or anything. Just explaining one logistical factor that’s made it easier for me to get out Hindi reviews alongside the Mumbai critics.
With OTT platforms, you don’t have to rely on a geographical location to get a film’s screener. I got one for RAAT AKELI HAI, too — which I reviewed the very next day.
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H. Prasanna
August 11, 2020
@fruitBR I think Indian Express gave a negative review. But, you’re right, sending it out to critics first (considering the public backlash against nepotism) was a masterstroke (credit probably goes to Neflix, which does it for all American shows/movies I think). Critics have to judge (a) the movie as a whole and (b) the efficacy of the acting based on the character being portrayed.
However, I feel it won’t stop the mean Twitter people from attacking Jahnvi Kapoor anyway. I read a comment saying “SSR kind of talents were murdered by people like you” on a negative review of Bandish Bandits on Film Companion.
Having said that, I agree with you that other people will try to legitimize the star-kids-have-value narrative by appropriating the quality of the movie and crediting it to Jahnvi Kapoor. As BR (and many other critics) have said, the writing and making seem to be the highlights of this movie. Jahnvi Kapoor’s value addition to this movie does not seem to be the clincher. From the reviews, I see she has done enough, but nothing that elevates the story greatly.
This has always been a pain point with regards to the nepotism in all industries. Writers and makers have to spend all their quality work on vindicating the narratives of the powerful producer/star. Rarely will the powerful star or star kid settle for supporting roles in service of the story; even if you write a negative character for them, it has to be vindicated by how cool he/she is. I am glad the essence of this story got through in spite of star kid presence, and I hope credits to the writers and makers get through over the star kid/nepotism debate.
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brangan
August 11, 2020
H. Prasanna: But, you’re right, sending it out to critics first (considering the public backlash against nepotism) was a masterstroke
Actually, in my experience, distributors (and now OTT platforms) do this mostly when (1) they have an unknown quantity (no-name star or new director) film they wish to build buzz about so that people land up in theatres on the very first day (otherwise theatres fill up only for star-value films), or (2) they are confident about the product.
This seems to be the latter case.
We get strict review embargo dates, and using those, it’s easy to tell which films they want the word out early on and which ones they don’t. In the sense that the previews or screeners may still happen, but if they say “don’t put this review out till after the first day first show”, it usually means they are not sure they’ll get good reviews.
Of course, this is not a foolproof tactic. You can “expect” good reviews, and still get bad ones. But here, the decision seems to have worked.
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H. Prasanna
August 11, 2020
If they have terms under which they show the movie before release, do you have terms too?
Like do they ask your permission when they use your lines in posters (for marketing)?
For example, the various ads that are going to say:
Baradwaj Rangan of The Hindu says on Gunjan Saxena: “Jahnvi Kapoor … the birth of a super herione”
K Sai Santhosh Kumar of Facebook says “Nithyananda is … vaguely philosophical.”
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KS
August 11, 2020
Jahnvi Kapoor is ugly.
I know I sound shallow (and maybe beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that). But if I’m paying for a ticket (or OTT subscription) and spending a couple of hours on a movie, is it unfair to expect the heroine to be easy on the eyes?
This is where nepotism really rankles. Countless pretty girls try hard for a shot in Bollywood, and a fraction of those would have talent too. A few make it as heroines, a few more land smaller roles, many might settle for TV serials, and most give up.
And here we have a girl with below-average looks landing a plum lead role. Simply because she’s a daughter of so-and-so. At least Shradha Kapoor or Alia Bhatt are pretty.
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vandana lakshmi
August 11, 2020
Anupam went out of the way pleading with people to watch the movie, because there are so many people who are outsiders involved in this movie. Very nice of her. But has she done this for all the movies which does not have star kids, Will she do this pleading for all the movies in future. I am waiting 🙂 It seems like there are a set of reviewers who are going out of their way to praise Jhanvi kapoor’s acting. I am not saying BR is doing that, but it seems like most of the reviewers are.
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Aman Basha
August 12, 2020
@KS: That was a very cruel statement. You can dismiss her acting if you’ve seen it or choose not to watch the film, but going after her looks by straight up calling her “ugly” is not cool. I don’t find her attractive myself as it’s clear over the changes she’s done to herself but this is exactly what SSR must have felt when he was mocked for his tweets and understanding by the cliques. Jahnvi herself has spoken quite sensibly about the debate, saying that she has been privileged but has to prove herself, unlike her cousin Sodumb Kapoor and her karma tweet.
The audience reception has nothing to do with Gunjan Saxena the film, but with Jahnvi Kapoor. This outrage is only due to her and Dharma’s involvement in the movie. They haven’t made it any easier as PR articles came out about her National Award worthy effort plus with an extremely tepid trailer.
The critical reception made me wonder whether it’d be “Uri” all over again, which didn’t get any good reviews and ended up a blockbuster. Here, it all depends on Jahnvi and surprisingly apart from Film Companion reviewers and Rajeev Masand, most found her strictly average. That’s enough to hurt the film right now, IMO.
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Madan
August 12, 2020
KS: My thoughts pretty much. It’s not like I am militantly opposed to nepotism if it means, simply, star kids acting in films. It’s more like, why do I HAVE to get on this journey, why am I supposed to invest in the nth film family’s anxious efforts to secure a bright future for their daughter? At least I can somewhat relate, albeit irrationally, with an outsider’s success. But with Jahnvi and co, it becomes transparently a case of “Whose dreams? Not mine.” It would have been ok in the days when content was hard to come by but I need a really, really good reason today to punt on yet another star kid who has had it easy when I could spend the two hours elsewhere. If Jahnvi in her own right cannot make a Meryl Streep-like case for herself, that’s just too bad.
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Madan
August 12, 2020
Aman Basha: KS is not attacking her for being ugly. He’s saying if she is a star kid with mediocre acting ability and not even attractive, what’s in it for him? He has a point.
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KS
August 12, 2020
@AmanBasha:
“You can dismiss her acting if you’ve seen it or choose not to watch the film, but going after her looks by straight up calling her “ugly” is not cool”.
That’s very noble of you, but this lofty ideal of not caring about looks is not pertinent in showbiz. If I have to stare at a screen showing closeups of their faces for two hours, its not unreasonable to want them to be pleasant-looking. They needn’t be beauty pageant winners, but Jahnvi (or that hideous troll from Kadal) are so distractingly unattractive that they constantly remind you of the unfairness of nepotism while watching the movie.
Doesn’t matter what her opinions are on this are. The fact that she’s already at a stage where people give her forums to express opinions on this is itself the problem.
Talent comes later. It can be acquired thanks to sufficient opportunities and experiences. Most nepokids start out with minimal talent, but many (like Alia, Ranbir, Hrithik or even our own Surya) do pick stuff up on the way and earn their place. But our going along with them on this ride is relatively easier since they are pleasant to look at on screen, at the very least.
As an aside, what exactly is talent in our industry? I’ll be very honest here, I have no idea what “great” acting is 🙂 Its like photography for me. I can certainly tell a bad photograph (shaky, out of focus, glare, etc.). But I cannot tell the qualitative difference between some PC Sriram level award-winning photograph and the work of a random jerkoff on facebook with a DSLR in his profile pic (you know, the type who would “trademark” his photos with his name, and shoot artistic candids of street dogs). Its the same way with acting for me. I can tell bad acting apart from adequate acting, but I have no idea beyond that.
@Madan:
Exactly. I remember when I was watching Kadal, I just couldn’t take my mind off how grotesque the heroine was, yet how she landed this opportunity (ManiRatnam-ARRahman project!) and how unfair the universe is. If you’re anyway going to cast a nepokid, at least keep me distracted by picking the better-looking ones among nepokids.
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Kaveri
August 12, 2020
I noticed that a couple of reviewers (Rajeev, Anmol of tried and refused productions) mentioned that this is only her 3rd film as if to discount any areas of weaker performance or highlight how good she is for someone relatively new.
This is something i notice only happens with starkids. Their performances are praised disproportionately even when they do an OK job. This doesn’t happen with Radhika Madan or a Zaira Wasim. Its like these girls must have auditioned and it is no surprise that they are good and there is simply acknowledgement of this fact. Not disproportionate praise. Are critics (not BR per se) being subconsciously “easier” on star kids?
KS, on her looks, i agree she is not the most attractive star kid of actress of her generation. I doubt she would have gotten through any audition if she was an outsider and that is despite the stuff she has gotten done to herself. But then I am not watching films purely for looks. So that aspect doesn’t bother me. The fact that gorgeous girls like Sobitha have been rejected for their looks (because they aren’t fair enough) bothers me a lot more.
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Aman Basha
August 12, 2020
@Madan: Agreed, the straight away opening line just triggered me. However, I re read the whole point KS was trying to make and understand. My apologies, the fact is that these statements taken out of context and comments such as uncalled threats hurt the credibility of valid criticism.
The sheer gall Bollywood shows now is atrocious though, Rajeev Masand is back to reviews and interviews. All the nepokids could actually be saved from public wrath if the source for his blinds is revealed. The fact that this aspect is constantly being overlooked has only inflamed doubts, tempers and suspicions. If you thought the audience was cruel to Jahnvi, just look at what’s happening with Sadak 2’s trailer. That even Sanjay Dutt’s cancer news was treated with suspicions show how much public trust has plummeted in Bollywood. Poor Alia Bhatt, despite being a charismatic and talented star kid, is getting bashed left, right and centre over her father’s stupid comments, her mentor and something she once said on a silly show.
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fruitBR
August 12, 2020
BR: My exasperation has more to do with why you’d positively review THIS movie well ahead of it’s release when you very well know that it will SURELY reduce your readership. Whatever you might think about the power of twitter, if FC needs to do a promo with Ananya Pandey(which again , irrespective of twitter, is definitely going to have negative effects because even OUTSIDE twitter she’s no rockstar), why this suicide mission(for the lack of a better term)?
Is FC expecting more people to subscribe after this? More importantly, is FC NOT considering a very possible reduction is readerhip/positive opinion by doing this?
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fruitBR
August 12, 2020
My point is, when you are a digital platform which greatly depends on social media for promotions and word of mouth, you can at least not do something which will enrage more people than it wouldn’t, right?
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brangan
August 12, 2020
fruitBR: So I have the opportunity to review a new, high-profile film and I should NOT take it up? What the heck!
If people are going to be upset and “reduce my readership”, what can I do about it? It’s their choice, no? Just like it’s their choice to opine on whether I have sold out or this is a paid review or whatever? How can I — personally — control any of those narratives? 🙂
If popularity were the goal, then I’d have started “making the right noises” long, long ago, no — and not in the 18th year of my career? I’m not saying I DON’T want to be popular, of course 🙂 But at what cost?
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Madan
August 12, 2020
Yeah, bizarre complaint. If you like it, you like it. Kadal thaandi vanthavangalukku Kargil enna? 😛
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Srinivas R
August 12, 2020
If popularity were the goal, then I’d have started “making the right noises” long, long ago, no –
Besides, what’s popular today will become very unpopular in a few years’ time and some one will dig up your old posts and question your idealogy. Happens all the time on social media.
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Aman Basha
August 12, 2020
Why do people have a problem over a review of a film? The movie seems to be pretty well written and directed. We all may have problems with the producers or lead and not like to watch it but we shouldn’t just attack an opinion not even because you disagree with it, but just that it is not your/our opinion.
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Khaleesi
August 12, 2020
“Poor Alia Bhatt, despite being a charismatic and talented star kid, is getting bashed left, right and centre over her father’s stupid comments, her mentor and something she once said on a silly show.”
Pity is wasted on these insider folks. They had it coming. They choked opportunities for outsiders through recommendations and pressure (check out Alia Bhatt talking about how she got cast in Dear Zindagi), manipulated awards (Shekhar Gupta has a fantastic article on this in the Print for those interested), demonstrated maximum possible elitism / tone deafness (check out video below) and generally mocked anybody outside their pretentious circles.
Now they are crying buckets about things being unfair!! Wake up and smell the coffee, darlings. Not so nice when the shoe is on the other foot, is it?
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Isai
August 12, 2020
I haven’t seen this movie but would like to share some thoughts on Nepotism, Fathers, sons and daughters.
Some people see Janhvi Kapoor as a not so deserving actress, a product of nepotism (A). Other people see Janhvi Kapoor as a young kid who tragically lost her mother at the age of 20 (B).
Some people see Karan Johar as a flag bearer of nepotism (A). Other people look at his family/personal life and feel sympathetic to him. They think it is not his fault that he was born in his family and since he is risking his own money, he should be allowed to take his own decisions, whatever they may be (B).
Some men, who grew up with sisters, may later realise that they have inadvertently been mean and sexist to them (B). Some other men, like me, who don’t have a sister, may realise that they don’t really enjoy talking to women and would rather have more male friends than female friends and occasionally wonder if that makes them a misogynist or a sexist (A).
Some people, like me, seldom have self doubts/are arrogant despite our modest abilities and limited achievements (A).
(In my case, I think this has to do with me being an only-child, my parents not driving me on academics and focusing mainly on discipline. The arrogance part, I always like to blame it on my sun sign, because then it is not really my fault you know. I am trying to overcome the flaws of my own nature but it often proves to be an uphill task.)
Some other people, may often have self doubts despite their huge achievements and may still feel like an underdog (B).
Some people, like me, would have had a dad who believes in tough love, who doesn’t readily pat on one’s back and would still be okay with it because THEIR nature is also similar (A). Other people may want their fathers to be more vocal about expressing their affections, like how Pankaj Tripathi does in this movie (B).
Some people may not have chosen a career path which they are passionate about but which most people feel is enormously difficult to succeed in (A). Other people may have chosen such a career path and hence may IDENTIFY THEMSELVES with the protagonist (B).
I think this movie will emotionally resonate a lot and hence be loved by people who have mostly Bs and very few As (and vice versa). I believe since different reviewers have different personalities and life experiences, they would have different number of As and Bs above and that is why their judgements are coming out to be different.
Now, a very LOGICAL person, like my favorite reviewer BLUE SATTAI MARAN, will seldom get overwhelmed by his feelings and hence is able to FOCUS only on how REAL and ENGAGING (ie) – WELL MADE, the movie is. I think that is why he is the most popular reviewer, because your feelings can be easily understood ONLY by those who have experienced similar feelings themselves or those who are willing to put themselves in your shoes. But, logic can be easily understood by almost everyone.
For some ‘feel the feelings’ reviewers, who often tend to get into an emotional overdrive, I would humbly suggest that they remember the following DIALOGUE before watching every movie, so that they have a better grip on their emotions –
“Feelings are like your mother’s breast. You know where they are, but they are best left unfelt’.
Having said that, I believe that only a guy who has not compromised his integrity (and doesn’t want to do so) and faces revenue concerns, will ask people if he can monetise the blog that has given him his identity, thus potentially reducing the readership that has often given him solace.
I have never benefited from nepotism in my life.
But, I believe just because one’s feelings doesn’t seem to resonate with someone or he/she impulsively makes an insensitive remark, one shouldn’t MISDIRECT one’s anger/frustration about nepotism towards them. As I said above – “Feelings are like your mother’s breast. You know where they are, but they are best left unfelt’.
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Anu Warrier
August 13, 2020
I’m all for eye-candy – yes, I’m shallow like that. If the film doesn’t have a great story, the least I need for it to be paisa-vasool is for the leads to be good looking, the locations and clothes to be fabulous, and if the songs are great, then hey, sone pe suhaaga.
Whether Jahnvi would have got a foot in the door if she weren’t Sridevi’s daughter is a moot point – because there have been several heroines before this who weren’t exactly conventionally pretty. In Hindi (and I’m dating myself) here, the best young Hindi actress in mainstream films at the time was Padmini Kolhapure. The prettiest was Poonam Dhillon. Both outsiders, by the way. But Poonam couldn’t act for toffee.
But… PK had her fans, including me. So does Jahnvi. And beauty being oh-so-subjective, I’m sure there are plenty of people who consider Jahnvi pretty. Madhuri, the idol of millions, is pretty ordinary to look at in real life. Make-up, hair, lighting, and today, a lot of photo editing, goes into making them all look as good as they do on screen.
In fact, if Mads had been a mainstream heroine today, editing would have taken care of all the pimples that weren’t quite as well hidden by makeup when she was the heroine. Again, another outsider who would have ended her career as yet another Rajshri heroine if it hadn’t been for Subash Ghai and Anil Kapoor who promoted her big time. (They had ‘loaned’ her to N Chandra’s film and the rest is history.)
At the end of the day, we choose which films to watch. I’m hardly likely to watch any by Tiger Shroff / Suraj Pancholi / Ananya Pandey / Shraddha Kapoor / Sonam Kapoor and their ilk. But I’m damned if I am going to stop watching Alia or Ranbir or Varun. As for the rest, it’s really going to be on whether that specific film appeals to me, not whether it stars a star kid or not. [Since other than Refugee, I have never watched a film specifically because it starred a star kid.]
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easy
August 13, 2020
“If popularity were the goal, then I’d have started “making the right noises” long, long ago, no — and not in the 18th year of my career? I’m not saying I DON’T want to be popular, of course 🙂 But at what cost?”
hehe you’ve been making all the right noises, whether they’re your noises or not, for a while now.
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Santa
August 13, 2020
KS: It is one thing to be shallow (which you admit upfront), but quite another to be quite so blatantly sexist “…is it unfair to expect the heroine to be easy on the eyes”? Because all movies are supposed to cater to the male gaze? And describing the heroine from Kadal as “grotesque” and “hideous troll” is just despicable. I mean, I get the argument about eye-candy and all that, but must the discourse degrade to such vile personal commentary simply to make a point?
Aman: Where are these not-positive reviews of Uri? Most of the reviews I read were quite positive about the movie. At worst, they were average, but certainly not negative.
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chvs Chaitanya
August 13, 2020
KS: oh come on, this is not your mass masala commerical film where the looks are enough…so according to you aishwarya rajesh also does not deserve a place in a film like ‘Kanaa’ or ‘kakka muttai’ because you want the heroine to be EYE CANDY, because you dont want to stare at the close up shots of an average looking heroine!!!!, this is not a glamour show buddy, if you cannot look at sai pallavi close up shots, just because she got pimples, i say you are watching films for wrong reasons which the makers not intended
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Pritisha Goswami
August 13, 2020
Great review sir. I look forward to your reviews. 🙂
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chvs Chaitanya
August 13, 2020
@isai:
“Now, a very LOGICAL person, like my favorite reviewer BLUE SATTAI MARAN, will seldom get overwhelmed by his feelings and hence is able to FOCUS only on how REAL and ENGAGING (ie) – WELL MADE, the movie is. I think that is why he is the most popular reviewer, because your feelings can be easily understood ONLY by those who have experienced similar feelings themselves or those who are willing to put themselves in your shoes. But, logic can be easily understood by almost everyone”
Your favourite reviewer is famous because he mocks and trolls others work, the majority of youtube audience likes when some one gets trolled, they like when some one else is pulled down brutally and this taste of the audience made him popular, if you have any doubt about it, you can check how logical his comments section sounds..
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Madan
August 13, 2020
“this is not your mass masala commerical film where the looks are enough” – So you’re saying if Jahnvi would have auditioned for this role along side any of Sanjana Sanghi, Bhumi Pednekar, Kangana, Anushka Sharma, she would have beaten them all out for the role?
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Aman Basha
August 13, 2020
@Madan: What if Boney Kapoor also has a silent stake in the film? That perfectly explains how this system functions. Also just to play Devil’s Advocate here, even Madhuri’s initial films till Tezaab were all failures. So why shouldn’t Jahnvi be given a chance since she had a hit debut and people seemed to like her in Ghost Stories?
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chvs Chaitanya
August 13, 2020
@madan: even if kangana plays this role, are you saying that if she auditions with other new comers who are still trying for a first film(or the other names you mentioned), kangana would have beaten them all??, i mean you want every director to audition whole mumbai for every role and select the best possible talent for the every role of the film??….things wont work like that….
My point is about the disappointment on ‘below average looking girl’ getting a lead role, and expecting a heroine to be “easy on eyes” for every role. Now it is is ok if a great looking nepo kid(pretty girl) gets a lead role, but it is a crime if a below average looking nepo kid(ugly girl) gets a lead role…you can launch your kid, but make sure that she is eye candy….what a bargain!!, Half of Malayalam industry would have vanished had Malayali audience took this ‘easy on eyes and pretty girl’ thing seriously.
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Madan
August 13, 2020
Aman Basha: I have no problem with Jahnvi getting chances just as long as nobody is going to beseech me to watch the film. My point was if not looks, can we really say she landed the role for her acting chops? Nope. Was it connections, was it just somebody giving her a chance? I have no idea and I don’t have a problem per se with that. As I said earlier in the thread, I have a limited bandwidth too so if you don’t want to cast somebody undeniably good in the film, don’t expect me to watch. And many are going to take a similar stance when it comes to star kids. If it sounds harsh, well, it only balances the privileges they already enjoy. Maybe this way, they too will opt for smaller roles so as to not overexpose themselves before going for the big lead ones (that is, what outsiders have always done). It’s a good idea, I think, to make it a bit of a hot potato to just throw a star kid to the wolves without preparation. That way, only the truly prodigal of the star kids will take the plunge and the rest will realise they have to work hard to earn it.
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Madan
August 13, 2020
“, i mean you want every director to audition whole mumbai for every role and select the best possible talent for the every role of the film??” – Who said whole of Mumbai has to be auditioned? I only pointed out a few outsiders (not even a handful) with a more than decent resume (and you exaggerate it as whole of Mumbai which makes me as a Mumbaiite wonder if you’re on the take for Dharma/YRF yourself).
Why shouldn’t they be auditioned? That’s what Hollywood does. If you say don’t compare with Hollywood, well, I am telling you right now I don’t need mediocre Bollywood content especially not if they won’t acknowledge the flaws in their process. I have plenty, plenty of content to sift through on OTT and Youtube and even when cinema halls reopen, there will always be good English films to watch. And I have barely skimmed the surface with European or Korean cinema, there’s a whole wide world out there.
Please don’t offer me arguments about the compulsions of the industry because I don’t care. I am a selfish consumer and I won’t bite unless I am convinced it will be worth my time. I haven’t seen Jahnvi in a previous role so the trailer was all I had to judge and she was wooden and expressionless/same expression through the trailer. Seeing as the trailer usually tries to offer the best or more enticing slice of the film for the audience, that is not a good portent for me. I have better use of two hours or so of time than that. If there’s a documentary about Gunjan Saxena, I would sooner watch that than this.
“My point is about the disappointment on ‘below average looking girl’ getting a lead role, and expecting a heroine to be “easy on eyes” for every role. ” – Well, we get to the conversation on looks because it is taken for granted that the acting will be mediocre at best. The problem starts there, which is why I mentioned auditions which you make out as some impossible idea like a manned mission to Mars or something. If OTOH we could take for granted that the acting will have at least a minimum acceptable level of competence (as is usually the case with Hollywood), looks wouldn’t matter. We are told to overlook poor acting because ‘charisma’ which is just a euphemism for looks. But if neither acting nor looks are enticing, what’s in it anymore for me?
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Aman Basha
August 13, 2020
@Khaleesi: If we are talking about actresses using their influence to get themselves cast in other films, Katrina Kaif, an outsider, might be a major offender. It is on record that Alia had Highway, Dear Zindagi, Kalank, Udta Punjab given on a platter. I think the reason no one goes after Bhai is that he supports people who come to him blindly, even SLB would not have got a chance if Salman didn’t work with him for free or even Himesh Reshmaiyya, Sajid Wajid, the list goes on. Kangana has actually said somewhere earlier that she’s friends with Bhai.
About KJo, I don’t think it’s an understatement that till recently, he was one of, if not the biggest power center in the industry. He’s worked, or is working with every happening actor/actress and has shown the clout and media pedigree to showcase all his launches as the next big star. His influence has grown so much that being on Koffee With Karan is a marker of your success. That he can create careers and an image is undoubted, and he uses this clout only in service of insiders. No one has as much influence or presence in the media as him and that’s what is making people believe even more strongly that he’s behind those blinds. That others who often fall off in negotiations with him start getting blinds about being overpaid is proof enough.
@Kaveri: These critics also seem to forget that Tripti Dimri had only Laila Majnu before. Though I haven’t seen GS, I can confidently tell that Tripti did miles better than Janhvi with a female character who has innocent ambitions and desires, is faced with patriarchy and sexism, her wings seemingly clipped till she regains her confidence and belief… Also Tripti didn’t go to the Lee Strasberg Acting Institute.
But we all know who the Filmfare Award for Best Actress 2021 is going to..
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chvs Chaitanya
August 13, 2020
@madan: a straight question….are you saying that you are fine to watch a film of Nepo kid with mediocre acting skill if he/she looks pretty??, then in that case i say you are one of the reasons for the “mediocre bollywood”.
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Madan
August 13, 2020
chvs Chaitanya: I will answer your ‘straight question’ when you engage with my detailed response first. Are you able to quote any sentence of mine which says ” you are fine to watch a film of Nepo kid with mediocre acting skill if he/she looks pretty”? Didn’t think so. So quote what I have said and ask/disagree whatever.
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Khaleesi
August 13, 2020
Well, we get to the conversation on looks because it is taken for granted that the acting will be mediocre at best.
Lol, well said, Mr. Madan. Think of the amazing male eye candy that we women are offered on the screen. We are treated to the very handsome and very talented Aayush Sharma who was too impressive for the casting directors that only a Salman Bhai could spot him.
We must, of course, be patient. Give him 12 years and he will be okayish in a movie ala Katrina Kaif.
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Madan
August 13, 2020
“We must, of course, be patient. Give him 12 years and he will be okayish in a movie ala Katrina Kaif.” – Yup, this is the exact sort of thing that makes me go, “Ain’t nobody got time for that.” You, as in the nepot interest groups, have your reasons, your compulsions to indulge mediocrities – fine. You want to make dubious arguments to justify it – fine. Neither of those, though, is going to convince me to pay. As Kyrgios would say, “Sorry to tell you that, mate”.
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Isai
August 13, 2020
@chvs Chaitanya:
“the majority of youtube audience likes when some one gets trolled, they like when some one else is pulled down brutally and this taste of the audience made him popular”
I agree with you PARTLY. His searing criticism and acerbic comments may boost the views, especially for his reviews of big stars’ movies. But, it is not EXACTLY about trolling or pulling down, it is about leaving them STUMPED. His criticism is based on logic, which unlike feelings, does not vary from individual to individual. And he is exceptionally good at it. But, that ALONE doesn’t explain his popularity.
I think there are a few other things which he does that ensures that people trust his judgement more than others’.
” if you have any doubt about it, you can check how logical his comments section sounds”
This is not correlated. Cricket fans who cheer from the stadiums need not be good at playing cricket. But, they love watching sportsmen who are exceptionally good at it.
The audience does not watch his reviews because he thinks/speaks like them, but because he is exceptionally good at logic, a ‘language’ which is universal and can be easily understood. If you watch his reviews continously, you can notice a pattern. He mostly talks about logic and seldom talks about feelings. That is his key strength and his limitation too.
On the other hand, I believe a critic like BR, who is exceptionally good at understanding feelings and who can be quite good at logic, can actually become more popular than Blue Sattai Maran in say 2-3 years, while avoiding criticism like which he got for this movie. But unfortunately, he still only wants an audience, not realising that sometimes even magicians need lions’ help to finally emerge victorious.
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Khaleesi
August 13, 2020
But we all know who the Filmfare Award for Best Actress 2021 is going to..
No Aman Basha. I am personally torn between Ananya Pandey for Pati, Patni or Woh, Janhvi Kapoor for Gunjan Saxena and Alia Bhatt for Sadak 2. Its going to be really tough to decide. Not envying KJo at this point. Perhaps they could all call it a tie or better yet have a super over. If that was good enough for the World Cup final ….
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Ex Voldemort
August 13, 2020
https://www.filmcompanion.in/features/tamil-features/tamil-movies-oscarssobollywood-what-will-it-take-for-the-academy-to-invite-people-from-outside-the-hindi-film-industry-resul-pookutty-ar-rahman-kamal-haasan-hrithik-roshan-alia-bhatt/
A good read, and a relevant article in this context
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Nathan
August 14, 2020
Well, BR, since you aren’t exceptionally good at logic yet, I thought I could make clear some rules of logic in the language you are exceptionally good at,–emoti(c)ons:
Principle of Identity: 😀=😀
Law of excluded middle: ❌🖕
Law of Contradiction: 😀&😠=💩
Once you’ve mattered those, here’s an extra:
Informal fallacy: a logical argument need not be sound or true.
PS: Thank me later in say 2-3 years when you finally emerge victorious
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brangan
August 14, 2020
easy / Nathan: Thnk you for those comments. I seem to have reached a point in life where I am unable to distinguish between sarcasm, good-natured ribbing, trolling, disagreements, and insults and put-downs….
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chvs Chaitanya
August 14, 2020
@madan:
“He’s saying if she is a star kid with mediocre acting ability and not even attractive, what’s in it for him? He has a point.”
“But if neither acting nor looks are enticing, what’s in it anymore for me?”
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Madan
August 14, 2020
““He’s saying if she is a star kid with mediocre acting ability and not even attractive, what’s in it for him? He has a point.”
“But if neither acting nor looks are enticing, what’s in it anymore for me?”
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So if I am elucidating an argument, it means I am personally saying I am ok with somebody being a mediocre actor as long as she is pretty? Again, where did I say that? I am simply breaking down the marketing proposition of casting an actress like Jahnvi. If you want to be super idealistic and deny that looks have any role in casting an actor/actress, I want to see you square that with your “are you saying entire Mumbai should audition” argument. Personally, no, looks won’t cut it and if anything, there’s nothing I dislike more than the ones who do conform to the dumb blonde stereotype, the ones who look super well made up and then they open their mouth and it’s yikes. Give me an ugly actress who actually knows what to do with her voice, face and body anyday.
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Aman Basha
August 14, 2020
@Khaleesi: Oh that’ll be very easy, give the Best Supporting Actress to Ananya, Best Actress to Alia and Best Actress (Critics) to Janhvi, make sure JK gets at least a Special Mention in the National Awards (i.e, Sonam Kapoor). As Janhvi does seem to have done well, criticism isn’t pouring on her. The trailer was honestly terrible though and that’s why she was torn. It’s Alia’s tepid dialogue delivery being attacked in Sadak 2.
I do wish we had Ananya Panday in a movie up for release, over publicized, over hyped, snatches movies, hushed up controversies and a great tendency to spit out stupidity. You can’t tell anyone is curious about Aakhri Pasta’s children and she can’t act for life. So much more fun going after her.
But frankly more than the puppets, it’s the puppet master who’s more to blame and that puppet master is KJo. I was a huge, huge fan of Dharma and all the ‘K’ films he did with SRK but after all this, it’s hard to like or respond positively against the man. He needs to be called out for the methods he promotes and the hypocrisy of his statements.
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krishikari
August 14, 2020
Hey, just saying about the lookism thing, women have had to suffer horrible looking overweight ‘heros’ for decades so if one aspect of starkids being foisted on us is imperfect no beautiful peoole, I will be enjoying your male suffering. 🙂
Is Abhay Deol anything to look at btw? Why no complaints?
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Anu Warrier
August 14, 2020
As Janhvi does seem to have done well, criticism isn’t pouring on her.
Really? The poor kid is getting slammed right, left and centre. People have vowed that they will ensure the film gets only one star on IMDB. If you look at the comments under the film – close to 1500 at last count, they are mostly ‘Anonymous’ with one line reviews slamming Jahnvi.
and she can’t act for life. So much more fun going after her.
Since ‘bullying’ is supposed to have cost SSR his life, it is therefore right to bully a young girl and ‘go after her’? SMH!
Break down the citadels of nepotism, sure… but be very careful you’re not turning into that which you are baying against. The schadenfreude is sickening.
(p.s. While the comments I chose to respond to are Aman’s, my responses are not just directed at him.)
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Anu Warrier
August 14, 2020
@Krishikari – Word!
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Aman Basha
August 14, 2020
@Anu Warrier: There are a lot of people who have judged based on the trailer, which was very frankly tepid and gave me total Arjun Kapoor vibes. She has gotten mostly positive notices for her work from reviewers and audience who have watched it. The IMDB rating is growing as we speak. That she seems to have been helped immensely by the writing and Pankaj Tripathi is another matter and I also liked her in Ghost Stories, which she apparently properly auditioned for.
Plus, Janhvi and Ananya are not by any measure, “kids” or “young girls”. Talking about going after her is giving valid criticism which is always interpreted as trolling (refer: tum mujhe tang karne lage ho). If we’re talking about bullying, Ananya Panday is no stranger to it as she and her friends ganged up on a girl who exposed her college claims and later actually apologized from her actual account. Here are the screen shots:
https://imgur.com/o0e8XVA
https://imgur.com/Ex409ix
https://imgur.com/mq9cWn9
(I am confused, if this is bullying or just cat fighting though. Someone clear it for me please LOL)
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Madan
August 14, 2020
” women have had to suffer horrible looking overweight ‘heros’ for decades so if one aspect of starkids being foisted on us is imperfect no beautiful peoole, I will be enjoying your male suffering.” – Right, so everybody who complains about Jahnvi is necessarily somebody who also asked for beautiful heroines to be cast alongside not just ugly but often times really old (even twice the age) heroes, isn’t it? Don’t bait and switch. I have several times before expressed my contempt for this practice, which by the way is much more widespread in South cinema to this day than in Bollywood. So I am not interested in any redemptive justice kind of arguments, that I am supposed to put up with this now because other men put up with that earlier. I want standards across the board. What I am asking for is neither hard nor unattainable; it just so happens to pinch the wallets of those who pull the purse strings.
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Vishwas
August 14, 2020
Ok, I have crossed the half a dozen mark where I dint bother to watch the movie but devoured your review.
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Anu Warrier
August 14, 2020
@Aman – young girls, young women, whatever you want to call them. I’m not saying don’t criticise them for their acting or lack thereof. It was just that phrase ‘going after’ that I was responding to – that suggests bullying.
Not being on social media, I’m not privy to those, so the screenshots didn’t make much sense to me, other than a set of young women who should know better taking potshots at each other. Seemed like both sides were busy posting stories about each other and friends were taking sides. That’s different from a troll army going after a young actress for nothing more than the reality of her birth – and using that to slam her performance.
Again, I have no issue if someone slams Jahnvi for a sub-par performance. But this is ridiculous.
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Rahul
August 14, 2020
“Is Abhay Deol anything to look at btw? Why no complaints?”
hahaha. For me this is like – the emperor has no clothes.
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krishikari
August 14, 2020
Right, so everybody who complains about Jahnvi is necessarily somebody who also asked for beautiful heroines to be cast alongside not just ugly but often times really old (even twice the age) heroes, isn’t it?
You are reading waaay too much into my comment. It was not aimed at you or anyone in particular. Just some light hearted schadenfreude. I just want to see good looking men on screen. If women are just okay I don’t have a problem.
Sometimes though, if the talent is there, someone average looking can make you believe they are really beautiful. I think Irfan Khan could be so totally cool, looks were irrelevant. I believe Nawazudin Siddiqui could play a handsome guy. Parvathy can do beautiful, average, ugly whatever she aims for. Someone said upthread that Aishwarya Rajesh was not good looking? That shocked me, I think she is so gorgeous. Maybe I misread.
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ravenus1
August 14, 2020
I saw this based on BR’s enthusiasm, and I’m afraid I couldn’t share it. I thought Gunjan Saxena the movie was so dumbed down they should have a label for it that says “for kids from ages 6-10”. It’s not nepotism that’s the issue, the actors are decent even when some, like Pankaj Tripathi and Angad Bedi are seriously shortchanged by the flatness of their parts, but the writing has all the finesse of having been done with crayons and thick markers. Every scene is about handing out a homily or making a Hallmark frame. Not a single moment feels free of an agenda, which is ironic for the journey of a woman that wanted to soar unfettered.
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Madan
August 15, 2020
krishikari: Sorry man. It’s been a fraught discussion so it’s difficult to tell who’s being serious. I agree with your proposition. I believe for that matter that Irfan was pretty ok to look at and so is Nawaz. In Bollywood as well as other glamour cinema industries like Tamil/Telugu, plain is considered ugly and that’s sad. I never thought of Nandita Das as ugly. I admit it was difficult to regard Shabana as attractive from any angle but she was acting so well, so I never noticed the looks, along the lines of what you said. I don’t think Jahnvi is ugly by any realistic standards. But Bolly has set up star kids to fail now by discouraging outsiders for a long time over flimsy pretexts.
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vivek
August 15, 2020
One more in the list of movies I wouldn’t have watched had it not been for your review. Thanks.
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Aman Basha
August 15, 2020
@AnuWarrier: Does seem like a cat fight between two groups which conveniently got spun into a bullying narrative:
https://www.mid-day.com/articles/netizens-try-to-bully-ananya-panday-only-to-make-her-stronger/21000193
And then, she launches an anti bullying campaign for which she wins Initiative Of The Year from Economic Times. Yappa! 🙂 At least Bhai was honest about Being Human.
I wouldn’t waste my sympathy on these people who are what they are, solely based on the reality of their birth. And to say star kids don’t get as much appreciation is an argument Balki kindly blew away with his statement of “find me better actors than Ranbir and Alia”. That everyone in Bollywood now wants the CBI investigation after the Sadak 2 fiasco is proof enough that they’re worried that their images have been hit.
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Khaleesi
August 15, 2020
@AnuWarrier Schadenfraude is sickening…
Yes, a part of it is just that. But the other part is genuine anger. Can you imagine, actors, who survive on their fan following mocking the very hand that feeds them? Nepotism and privilege may seem like a joke to rich fat cats (you can see how Varun and Alia and the anchor are laughing about it in the video I shared earlier). But to the average Joe who is watching it – it is a reality that cuts too close to home. And Karan Johar stood on a podium and danced “Nepotism rocks.” Really? Bit too much tone deafness. And this guy was invited to weird leadership summits and what not. Why? Did he stand up to anyone powerful? Did he stand up for MNIK or ADHM? He seems to only have the guts to fight a few actresses… He spoke of wanting to be an underdog. Dude had his chance. But you have to take on a Goliath to be reckoned a David. If you always want to take on someone weaker, you’re a bully and not an underdog.
Plus I think the audience were egged on. Repeatedly, interview after interview, article after article spoke about how the audience is responsible for nepotism. Well now, the audience is saying they are sick of it. Will they be heard? Will endorsement deals get dropped? Will new casting decisions be taken? One can only wait and watch. I, for one, am not optimistic that anything will change. Some new goal post will be identified. They will say, as Kabir Khan did in Indian Express, whole of India is nepotistic. Why are you asking us to change? So rather than sweep their own backyard, they will want the whole world to be sparkling clean.
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Rahul
August 16, 2020
I am totally agreeing with Khaleesi. Specially after seeing the derision tripping from Alia and Varun in that video.
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Madan
August 16, 2020
Khaleesi: Yup. And I seem to remember some people here too defended that Nepotism Rocks skit, both as a joke and the idea of nepotism itself with similar arguments like how nepotism is there everywhere.
Bhaiyya Varun, it is one thing when Davidji himself buys you a pencil box, er sorry, a role in a film that he produces. But when every film family producing films also thinks their obligation is to gift pencil boxes to you and other star kids, there’s no room for anyone else. And please understand that we as the audience are under no obligation to put up with your father or your uncles/film circle friends’ obligation to help you out. And we won’t. At least I won’t. I don’t care to know which out of the litany of excuses you or others are going to cite to justify the existence of nepotism because I don’t want to waste my time and money on your shitty acting. It’s that simple.
Bad parenting? Seriously? If people feel a sense of schadenfreude towards star kids, then it would seem like they were kind of asking for it. As you, Khaleesi, said, “Can you imagine, actors, who survive on their fan following mocking the very hand that feeds them? ” So here’s the deal. I have a million things to watch and I am not going to waste my time on movies starring star kids until the industry introspects and reforms. First stop blaming us, stop indulging in whataboutism against every legitimate criticism.
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brangan
August 16, 2020
Madan: And please understand that we as the audience are under no obligation to put up with your father or your uncles/film circle friends’ obligation to help you out. And we won’t. At least I won’t.
And that is really the point, isn’t it? You can only speak for yourself, not for a collective “we” as an audience, who have made Varun Dhawan such a star that a “serious” filmmaker like Sriram Raghavan thinks it’s worthwhile to entrust a BADLAPUR to him.
Sharat Katariya gives him a SUI DHAAGA, Shoojit Sircar gives him OCTOBER.
Why? Certainly not because he is a great actor. (At least in OCTOBER, I really, really wished they had got someone more emotive.)
And I don’t think any of these filmmakers are in his “father or your uncles/film circle friends’ ” (or maybe they are, I can’t say).
But the point is that he has become a star to the extent that “auteur” filmmakers think they can broaden the appeal of their films with someone like him. (And I am pretty sure that Sriram Raghavan, left to his own devices, would have cast someone else.)
The guy is probably an entitled jerk in real life (as this video shows), but when even a “flop” like KALANK collects as much as a “hit” like (Kartik Aaryan’s) PATI PATNI AUR WOH, you know the guy has a rock-solid audience base. (Of course, KALANK had Alia etc., too.)
Not contesting your dislike for him, of course. I’m just pointing out Varun’s standing from the POV of the regular theatre-going audience (which most of us are not, myself excluded for obvious reasons).
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brangan
August 16, 2020
And in the latest star-kid related news:
https://www.dnaindia.com/bollywood/report-ishaan-khatter-to-star-as-brigadier-balaram-singh-mehta-in-his-biopic-titled-pippa-2837751
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Aman Basha
August 16, 2020
@brangan sir: Again, are we really comparing a Dharma produced, 150 crore budgeted film which made a lifetime of 140 crore against a 40 crore budgeted film which made 110 crores? Is economics really this difficult, you compared earlier Panipat with Sonchiriya. A 100 crore budgeted mainstream historical against a niche film in a different lingo?
Here’s the director himself to clear that for you:
https://www.news18.com/news/movies/i-knew-sonchiriya-wasnt-going-to-rule-box-office-it-was-a-niche-film-says-abhishek-chaubey-2290065.html
And about directors trusting actors, let’s take Dhawan’s contemporary Alia Bhatt. Her first film was won when she directly auditioned in front of the director instead of a casting agent, Imtiaz Ali was on record that it was Karan who lobbied for Alia in Highway, Gauri Shinde was planning on casting Katrina in Dear Zindagi till Karan came in, Alia herself in an interview once said the director of Udta Punjab “had to make peace” with her casting,and every other film except Gully Boy was Dharma Productions.
We can use the example of Madhuri Dixit and Subhash Ghai, but Madhuri started out doing second lead roles in her first few films that flopped and even then had to audition for Tezaab. No actress has stood out against Alia because they aren’t just standing against her, but Dharma as well.
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Aman Basha
August 16, 2020
https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/opinion-dear-makers-of-gunjan-saxena-you-cannot-peddle-lies-in-the-name-of-creative-freedom/358726
The Air Force is incredibly displeased with this film and the NCW has asked for an official apology from the makers.
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brangan
August 16, 2020
Aman Basha: You seem to think I am FOR nepotism. Far from it. I am only interested in the films themselves.
I knew you’d bring up that KALANK point, which is why I mentioned the other two films as well. Sriram was under NO PRESSURE to cast Varun, at least as per interviews. Why did he?
To me, this says something about perceived box-office value. Maybe you think something else.
Imtiaz Ali was on record that it was Karan who lobbied for Alia in Highway
Of course he would. She is a Dharma “client”. So the more films she makes, the better it is for them as a company. Shanuk Batra is a Dharma client. So the more he succeeds, the better it is for them.
It’s like Elite Model Management in the fashion world. The big models are “contracted” to them. And it’s in the company’s interest to promote these models.
This is where we differ 🙂
You think it is a company’s duty to be fair/just. I am a much more cynical person. And I don’t take every news report seriously, because I know Dharma co-produced BAAR BAAR DEKHO, which had Katrina in the lead.
For me, what’s important is “did Alia do a good job?” and my answer is that “she did a GREAT job”.
(I wish Varun had been as talented as Alia, so OCTOBER could have been a much better movie!)
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brangan
August 16, 2020
Also, this doesn’t sound like “coercion” to me, more like a request.
“I am glad that Imtiaz took Alia for ‘Highway’, which is considered one of the best performances of her. But I had to vouch for her to Imtiaz. When I had told him about Alia and requested him to take her in his film, he was not at all sure about her acting prowess after ‘Student of the Year’. But I had assured him that she has the capacity to be the lead for his film,” Karan said at an event on the sidelines of the ongoing International Film Festival of India (IFFI) here.”
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/Karan-Johar-I-requested-Imtiaz-to-cast-Alia-in-Highway/articleshow/45305606.cms
PS: Again, I have no personal interest in Dharma’s success or Alia’s or Varun’s. I only care about the films. For some reason, pointing out facts gets misconstrued with “supporting” Karan Johar or Alia Bhatt or whatever — so I felt like saying this.
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Aman Basha
August 16, 2020
@brangan sir: I know you wouldn’t be for nepotism at all, and regarding the Elite Model Management example, I think what Dharma has done with Alia is unprecedented in terms of Hindi Cinema. The closest example is Aditya Chopra and YRF, which have launched Vaani Kapoor, Bhumi Pednekar and Anushka Sharma. There are no news items that Adi C has helped them with any film except the ones that he has produced.
In the end, it isn’t what Dharma has done, but what it’ll do that’s a bit uneasy. Now they have Ananya Panday, Janhvi Kapoor, even Sara Ali Khan, Sanjay Kapoor’s daughter, Chunky Panday’s son, Janhvi’s sister, so on and on. Imagine what this would do to the playing field?
And I won’t buy any argument supporting any of them till we know why those blinds were being written targeting SSR as a “skirtchaser”, “overpaid outsider” and “sexual molester”. No one would write such articles simply to fill page space unless they have some benefit from someone who wanted SSR’s reputation damaged. It’s purely circumstantial that evidence points at KJo and the star kid brigade, but that’s the only evidence there is and that’s what I’ll believe.
BTW, you do know that Sriram Raghavan first offered Andhadhun to Harshvardhan Kapoor and that Ayushmann actually went knocking for the script and auditioned? Ofc Ayusmann got lucky getting a rejected script from a great star actor like Anil Kapoor’s son.
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brangan
August 16, 2020
Aman Basha: Wanted to add something to my comment above, but forgot.
I am in no way trying to say that my POV is right, and you are wrong. We believe what we choose to believe, and from my side, I would claim the advantage of having an ear to the ground to how the film industry works for a long time now.
With Kollywood alone, I can tell shocking stories about people who are considered “virtuous” that will make you want to kill yourself. I can also tell you stories about much-maligned people that will make you reconsider them.
Also, I know and have seen so many casting recommendations that “come from the top” and are rejected — and these are almost as many as those that are accepted. From what I have seen, no major director will get arm-twisted into signing someone he/she thinks is a misfit. (Of course, what Sriram Raghavan saw in Harshvardhan Kapoor is a mystery to me, but hey, it’s his movie…)
Many of these decisions will be announced in articles that use terms like “According to a source” without any proof. Or even when people themselves speak out, they will not exactly say what happened behind the scenes.
This happens all the time, and whenever I get such news I take it with a sack of salt — or if I really curious, I will call up a few reliable contacts to ask what really went on.
So it’s perhaps inevitable that I am not as inflamed as you are about these issues, and if it appears that I am “arguing” against you, that is not the case. I am merely presenting MY point of view.
The tradition of blinds, of course, is unforgivable. (Not just now, but from when cinema began.)
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Madan
August 16, 2020
“And I don’t think any of these filmmakers are in his “father or your uncles/film circle friends’ ” ” – But as Aman argued, those uncles and auntys will go out and lobby for him. Now that may be the natural thing to do for them. But the net outcome is that the audience’s response is seemingly ignored. So…
“You can only speak for yourself, not for a collective “we” as an audience, who have made Varun Dhawan such a star that a “serious” filmmaker like Sriram Raghavan thinks it’s worthwhile to entrust a BADLAPUR to him.” – But is it the audience that has made him a star or is it filmmakers forcing his face on us even when his films flop (Kalank)? Panipat for Arjun Kapoor as Aman mentioned. This is what I have been saying. Fine, you want to act even against the interest of your films to service nepotism, go ahead, that’s your choice. Just stop blaming the audience. If they wanted to listen to the audience, the verdict was delivered a long time ago.
“But the point is that he has become a star to the extent that “auteur” filmmakers think they can broaden the appeal of their films with someone like him.” – OR they do favours once in a while for star kids to secure funding for their passion projects. Why else do you think somebody like Balki came out so strongly in favour of them that he made a laughably bad statement “give me actors better than Alia and Ranbir” as if there aren’t better actors than them available and as if it’s the audience’s job to teach him how to audition actors.
And it’s that condescending tone, I think, that has put off a lot of people. There may be more nuance in the argument than I care to admit now, but it’s difficult to feel any empathy for people who talk down so much to the very people who make their films run. It’s like, “Yaar if you hate us so much, go back to advertising na, why do you make films for us to see anyway. Nobody asked you.”
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MANK
August 16, 2020
. With Kollywood alone, I can tell shocking stories about people who are considered “virtuous” that will make you want to kill yourself. I can also tell you stories about much-maligned people that will make you reconsider them. .
Please do tell, or better still, write a book like Peter Biskind’s Easy Riders and Raging Bulls, where all our revered actors and directors are brought down with a vengeance in a brilliant mix of unvarnished facts, gossip, hearsay and what not.
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MANK
August 16, 2020
I heard that Varun Dhawan was the initial choice for Andhadhun. Raghavan was keen for a reteaming after Badlapur But he rejected it because he felt it wasn’t commercial enough and chose to do Kalank instead. Thank God for that, he would have ruined Andhadhun.
One reason a lot of these auteurs cast these star kids is because their affluent parents are silent investees in the films. Heard a story how Shyam Benegal had initially chosen Manisha Koirala for Zubeida , but then Karishma’s parents promised to invest in the film and got her the role. Something similar happened with Sudhir Mishra’s Chameli, where Antara Mali was unceremoniously dumped at the last moment in favor of Kareena.
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brangan
August 16, 2020
Madan: But is it the audience that has made him a star or is it filmmakers forcing his face on us even when his films flop (Kalank)?
As far as I know BADLAPUR came hot on the heels of two solid hits, HUMPTY SHARMA and MAIN TERA HERO, and long before KALANK.
But sure…
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brangan
August 16, 2020
MANK: That is absolutely true a lot of the time, and it is the same as how it works in the West — when a studio offers an auteur director a contracted/favourite star in return for funding. With us, since all funding is private, it’s the family that ends up investing at times.
A lot of the time, casting is a very compromised affair — think Stephen Frears being asked to direct MARY REILLY with an Irish-accented heroine, played by… Julia Roberts.
Another major source of “influence” in the West are casting agencies, which sign actors. They’ll say things like “if you cast X in your film, I’ll give you the more coveted Y”.
Is this right/wrong? That depends on your POV. But filmmakers will do whatever they can to keep working, and if means casting someone popular with the audience, they will do that, too.
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Madan
August 16, 2020
“As far as I know BADLAPUR came hot on the heels of two solid hits, HUMPTY SHARMA and MAIN TERA HERO, and long before KALANK.” – But I was talking about Kalank only and not Badlapur. He had a good run from then till Badrinath Ke Dulhania. Also the multi starrer Judwaa 2. But after that, October and Nawabzaade were flops and Sui Dhaaga did well. More importantly, this trajectory didn’t suggest somebody who belonged in a 100 cr plus budget project. Now who produced Kalank? KJ. Co-starring Alia. Why am I not surprised!
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brangan
August 16, 2020
MANK: Please do tell, or better still, write a book…
Haha. At the beginning of my career, I would be shell-shocked during interviews when an artiste would say something like “X is superb, and the greatest thing since Jesus and Moses and Ram” and I’d be nodding. And then, when the dictaphone would be switched off, the real dope would come “off the record”.
I’d be amazed at the instant turnaround — and I think the pressure of having to “pretend” during the interview made them instantly want to vent afterwards. I even have some tapes where confessions have been made about casting pressure and stuff, which they called later and said “Can you please not print that?” 😀
The industry and how it works is very very complex — in short, like any other business. And from the outside, you only see a very simplistic picture.
But hey, maybe these recordings will make for a great retirement nest egg 😉
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brangan
August 16, 2020
Madan: A “specialty release” like OCTOBER is not considered in the same league as a big mainstream film when hit/flop decisions are taken. And NAWABZAADE had Varun in one song. It’s not even his film.
So if I were a producer at that point, Varun’s hit-to-flop ratio would definitely be good enough to make me want to invest in him (not necessarily as an actor, but as an audience-pleasing star).
If one or two flops are all it takes to cancel someone’s standing, 90 per cent of actors would be out of the industry by now 🙂
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Madan
August 16, 2020
“it is the same as how it works in the West — when a studio offers an auteur director a contracted/favourite star in return for funding” – Respectfully, they are not the same things. The presence of a star assures better returns, at least to the extent possible in such an unpredictable business. It MAY compromise the ARTISTIC product. This is more like what happened to Umrao Jaan where Rekha wasn’t originally cast in the film and Muzzafar Ali was set to work with Jaidev. Once she was cast, Ali wanted Asha to be used in the songs and Jaidev, who had already pencilled in Madhurani (with Ali’s concurrence), objected to cutting her out and left the project. Ali roped in Khaiyyam who delivered a classic soundtrack. That is, the final product may not have been what they originally envisaged but what was delivered was still a viable box office product.
When a ‘star’ with a patchy track record is drafted in OTOH into a Bollywood film to secure funding (what likely/possibly happened in Panipat), it is like forcing the actor onto the film even at the expense of commercial viability.
But let’s keep aside the commercial viability and discuss another aspect, that is, of acting ability.
IF the star kids trained well and earned their stripes before venturing into films, I don’t think the audience would object to their presence in the films merely because of their lineage. That isn’t what they/we are saying even now. It is the sense of entitlement that they have that they think they can force their mediocre chops on us is what has caused tempers to flare up.
This is the basic difference between Hollywood and Bollywood. You can grade actors/actresses from the competent-with-a-charming smile category of Julia Roberts to the virtuosity of a Cate Blanchett but they ALL bring at least some level of capability to the project. They are not completely fail-safe, nobody can be in this business, but to a reasonable extent, their professionalism does provide a modicum of assurance as to the acting standards. It’s the same as if you want somebody to perform a set of Broadway classics, you can argue the relative merits of Lea Salonga or Linda Eder, but they are both fit for purpose (and performers know that this argument is nowhere near as subjective as it may appear to be from the audience perspective; you KNOW some singers can’t sing rock and some actors don’t fare well in comedy, for instance).
But when the subjectivity of the film business is used to argue in essence that it doesn’t matter if the star kids can’t act (not saying you made this argument but this is what the film industry supporters of nepotism have said reading between the lines), then one wonders why they have crushed their soul, their love for cinema to such an extent that only this baap-beta business matters and nothing else. I am cynical too, incurably so, but the Bollywood level of cynicism is so depraved it’s too much even for me.
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Madan
August 16, 2020
“So if I were a producer at that point, Varun’s hit-to-flop ratio would definitely be good enough to make me want to invest in him (not necessarily as an actor, but as an audience-pleasing star).” – Fair point, no argument on that.
I will allow that Varun has a decent ratio of hits even if he is a terrible actor (which, as you say, can’t be helped). It’s the allure of Arjun Kapoor that still eludes me.
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brangan
August 16, 2020
Madan: This is the basic difference between Hollywood and Bollywood. You can grade actors/actresses from the competent-with-a-charming smile category of Julia Roberts to the virtuosity of a Cate Blanchett but they ALL bring at least some level of capability to the project.
And again, I would differ — for me the “competent-with-a-charming smile category of Julia Roberts” is exactly how I would categorise a Varun Dhawan. For my money, he is a star who is somewhere between a non-actor and a great actor, depending on the project.
For me, I am far more appalled (and saddened) that someone as great as Stephen freaking Frears compromised for a Julia Roberts because it helped him get a lot of things logistically that he wouldn’t have with a lower-wattage star. The way I look at it, when a Frears can settle for a Julia Roberts, I don’t see the big deal-breaker for an Abhishek Verman working with Varun Dhawan.
Both films flopped. Finally — and as always — the audience did have the last word.
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Aman Basha
August 16, 2020
@Madan: Varun Dhawan has consistently given hits from his debut till October IIRC. We can keep going on about casting changes till kingdom come, and they’re not something illegal or wrong. I do agree about Arjun Kapoor though.
The best thing we have are the blinds and who was Masand’s source. It could even be an outsider for all we know and that despite all those regular leaks from the investigation, we still don’t have what happened is seriously fascinating. It is extremely unethical and might even be illegal.
@brangan sir: Well with all that treasure trove you’ve promised, one simple frivolous question from my mum, does Nagarjuna really look that good for his age or is it camera magic? 😉 Remember this answer can change the attitudes of everyone over 45
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brangan
August 16, 2020
Madan: It’s the allure of Arjun Kapoor that still eludes me.
Actually, this is easier to explain. You are Ashutosh Gowariker, with only one real hit to your name (LAGAAN). And of late, not even a Hrithik-level star could save your film from crashing and burning.
You decide that “patriotic / nationalistic / epic” films are the flavour of the day.
But these films cost money, and you need a “face” to sell. None of the A-list “faces”/actors will touch you. So you gamble on someone like Arjun Kapoor because “at least people know him” versus a good actor that nobody knows.
And if at least a small per cent of the “people know him” come to the first few days and like the film, then maybe the film will take off.
And maybe Boney Kapoor pitched in with help with distribution or something.
It’s all a mix of hope and optimism and it’s almost always impossible to “logically” explain. It’s the same reason a Tamil producer or director would rather cast a Jeeva (despite his numerous flops) than take a chance on a newcomer who’s a good actor. Because Jeeva is a “face”. He is known. Maybe at least SOME people will land up on the all-important first day…
I don’t find this strange at all. To the average audience, an Arjun Kapoor is a bigger “face” than an Irrfan or a Nawazuddin. Sad, but true. Even his flops like HALF GIRLFRIEND and MUBARAKAN did over 50 crores, which is about the business a HAIDER did.
Now, you may argue that the budget of these films was high, and therefore, these films are not hits, etc. That’s true. These films are flops.
I am only looking at the audience POV. For them, the ticket price is a fair constant. (An Arjun is not a huge star to warrant Aamir-like inflated ticket rates.) In fact, given the prestige value and the premium multiplex locations, a HAIDER may have had higher ticket rates than a PANIPAT.
So there are — at the minimum — ‘x’ number of people who are buying tickets for Arjun Kapoor movies to result in business of over 50 crores. (this is what the industry calls ‘footfalls’.) So if these films had been budgeted at, say 10 crores, we’d be looking at two solid hits.
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Madan
August 16, 2020
“So you gamble on someone like Arjun Kapoor because “at least people know him” versus a good actor that nobody knows.” – That argument would work if Bollywood had no faces that could also act, at least to the level required for an Indian historical. Tanhaji was a super-duper hit coming on the heels of Panipat’s failure and it had Ajay Devgun in the titular role. And not like Ranveer hadn’t already delivered in historicals before.
I honestly don’t know now who the industry is talking to if they thought Arjun Kapoor was going to get people to the cinema halls. I talk to the people who watch these kind of films and make them hits all the time and his presence in the lead role was the no. 1 factor that discouraged them from giving the film a shot. The 50 cr is not because of his presence but because it was a historical and these were the people who braved it and watched in spite of Arjun starring in it and not because of him. Even if these people may not have strong views about his acting like I do, they like me couldn’t visualise him pulling off a historical; lightweight comedy fluff would have been a different thing.
“So if these films had been budgeted at, say 10 crores, we’d be looking at two solid hits.” – But you can’t make a Panipat at Rs.10 crore. Even mounting it only to the level of the old Panipat series (Great Maratha) would cost a lot, lot more than 10 cr.
The budget wasn’t the issue. Tanhaji cost even more to make. And Padmavat even more. But they were both box office gold/platinum whatever you want to call it. 50 cr is the returns you would be happy with if you made a multiplex quickie like Bala (though, in fact, even Bala did a lot, lot better, finishing at 175 cr, triple the gross of Panipat).
I agree with your points on Varun Dhawan even though I still rate Julia Roberts much higher in acting (and this is coming from someone who is assuredly not a huge fan of her). But with Arjun Kapoor-Panipat, you have a blindspot. And I will leave it there. Virtually any halfway decent historical is box office gold today so the fact that Panipat was still a colossal flop is very largely attributable to how unconvincing Arjun Kapoor was in the role. When you’re less convincing than even Pankaj Dheer (who played Sadashivraobhau in Great Maratha), it’s really bad.
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MANK
August 16, 2020
Mary Reilly was the biggest budget film Frears has ever directed, and John Malkiovich didn’t have enough box office clout, hence the casting of Roberts. It’s exactly the reason she was cast in Michael Collins as well. Roberts, at the time, was trying hard to move away from the pretty woman with pretty smile image , and was yearning to be taken seriously as an actress. But those attempts turned out to be disastrous and her star wattage dimmed on account of this. It’s only when she came back to her strength genre with my best friend’s wedding, Notting hill and Runaway Bride that she reclaimed her superstardom, not only that, won the Oscar for Erin Brockovich, which was a clever mix of her superstar persona and the academy pleasing real life, social problem picture.
When comparing Julia and Varun, I feel that Madan is assessing them from a qualitative POV while Brangan is going for a certain Type of Star. Obviously, Varun is no match for Julia, talentwise or charismawise. I don’t find him charismatic at all – Just an ordinary dude with abs upto his chin. To top that, His dialogue delivery sucks big time and I never seem to get past that.
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Madan
August 16, 2020
“We can keep going on about casting changes till kingdom come, and they’re not something illegal or wrong.” – Not illegal but worth debating. Even when casting works in these nepot-driven films, it’s very flukey. It’s more on the lines of, give a star kid a light role they can pull off somewhat and promote the hell out of it and it will run. Does it fit like a glove the way say Saurabh Shukla as the judge in Jolly LLB 2 did? I am not convinced. I won’t argue with the fact that the films VD were in have often been hits. But maybe it’s the same flukey process that leads to Arjun being such a turkey at the BO.
I think my basic propositions are sound:
1. Audition for roles unless you are talking about real titans like AB. There is a cut off point where auditions aren’t really required but that should be a combination of BO worth and acting,
2. Let star kids do supporting roles in a couple or more films to learn the ropes before they are ‘launched’. Exceptions, again, can be made for the truly prodigal. But if we’re being honest, we can see that neither of VD, AK or Shraddha Kapoor could be described as prodigal.
Now let’s contrast Jahnvi Kapoor with the above two rules. Did she audition for Dhadak? Not known, the wiki page doesn’t say anything about it. And KJ produced it, so…
Secondly, Dhadak was a lead role. Her acting debut, in a remake of a Marathi film in which both lead actors had to do some heavy lifting, was a lead. The wiki page describes Dhadak as a success but really, is it? It made 110 cr off a 40 cr budget. Sairat itself made as much off just a 4 cr budget. Dhadak didn’t get close to what its potential was (and I am talking just commercially).
So…you could have made a far bigger success out of Dhadak if casting for the role was a priority. But it isn’t often times in Bollywood and that is what I am questioning here. And even if it wasn’t earlier, that doesn’t make it right. The environment is very different today. OTT etc.
Anyway, I have declared my choice above already as a consumer. Many clearly have as well, going by the reviews of Gunjan Saxena. Bolly can tone-police the reviews all they want but by the same market-driven logic, that’s not going to change anything. Boo, nobody is watching (and again, with it being a patriotic film). Again, some humility and honesty, instead, would be welcomed.
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brangan
August 16, 2020
MANK: Regarding MARY REILLY’s budget, here’s how I look at it. Frears had made a lush-looking period drama like DANGEROUS LIAISONS, right? And with the cast he wanted, the cast he thought would do justice to the material? And the film was a (relative) hit?
So what makes him say yes to Julia Roberts, who is not just terrible but so un-confident here? Because (see link below): “he admits his big-budget movie, Mary Reilly, wouldn’t have been made in the way it was – with planes at the ready to take its stars from Pinewood back to America for the weekend – without Julia Roberts.”
So it depends on what the director wants. You want that kind of budget? Then you HAVE to take an audience-stamped “face” — and not a “good actor” that’s not audience-friendly. (Unless you have someone who is a good actor and ALSO an audience-approved star.) The audience — now — comes before the film, despite Frears’ claims to the contrary.
My point wasn’t that this is wrong. It’s happened 1000 times before Frears. It will keep happening. I was just saying this is not some exclusive Indian phenomenon.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/1999/nov/19/2
Madan: But with Arjun Kapoor-Panipat, you have a blindspot.
Point taken, Madan. As always, you are right and I am wrong.
Aman Basha: Hahaha. Look at my interview with him and say, no? Does he look good for his age, or does he?
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Madan
August 16, 2020
“Obviously, Varun is no match for Julia, talentwise or charismawise. I don’t find him charismatic at all – Just an ordinary dude with abs upto his chin. To top that, His dialogue delivery sucks big time and I never seem to get past that.” – Nailed it. But it kind of ties in Chetan Bhagat’s Op Ed today. We are an easily satisfied people. So complaining about poor dialogue delivery essentially makes you a snob, not someone who just wants to see a good film and thinks good acting is a part of it. When everybody gives a free pass for poor dialogue delivery, Varun Bhaiyya can also coast through with poor acting and deliver hits. In other words, we accept poor acting the same way we accept bad roads. We have no standards, that’s what it is.
That is why, as fraught as this conversation is, I am happy that it is taking place at all. Maybe for the first time, we are learning to ask and to demand. Which we have the right to as the end consumers of the film industry. It could all just blow away tomorrow but so far it hasn’t and that is encouraging. And as I have said before, OTT reduces the disproportionate effect of early large turnout that screening movies in a cinema hall depends on. So a slow burner like Raat Akeli Hai is now on a better footing against the big bad wolves of the BO than before. Even if Netflix/Amazon want to see returns within a month or couple of months timeframe, it is still better than just two weekends which already shuts out a lot of good films from the conversation.
In fact, I checked and Raat Akeli Hai has more votes on IMDB (not talking about rating but number of votes) than Gulabo Sitabo. And this is in spite of Raat Akeli Hai ‘releasing’ later. So this suggests that OTT can work to some extent, even if it won’t be everything people want it to be, as an equaliser (in spite of the cynicism that industry players expressed about it. Is it really cynicism then or just fear?).
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Aman Basha
August 16, 2020
Regarding the whole Panipat debate, which didn’t even generate such buzz even at release. I have a simple perspective: yes, Panipat had an opening of 4 crores. But then Panipat didn’t only have Arjun Kapoor, it had Kriti Sanon who has a huge social media presence and most importantly, it has Sanjay Dutt returning to a negative role after a long time.
Even Baba hasn’t had a great time at the box office, but to give comparison, his comeback film Bhoomi made an opening of 2 crores, or even recently low budget write offs like Saheb Biwi Gangster 3 made 1 crore plus openings. So Panipat’s opening having to do solely with Arjun Kapoor is false, in fact that nearly everyone criticized Arjun Kapoor is true. Plus, Panipat clashed with Pati Patni Aur Woh of all things to become the third massive disaster Arjun Kapoor had in a row.
And yes, Arjun Kapoor is a face, the face that guarantees flops and empty halls, yet after 3 disasters, I haven’t seen articles refer him as overpaid. But you know, who was, after only 1 disaster?
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brangan
August 16, 2020
Aman Basha: Panipat’s opening having to do solely with Arjun Kapoor is false,
This is not what I said at all. I was saying (rather, theorising) why he was cast in the first place, and why this casting is not that surprising a phenomenon.
I stand by my “face” theory. I have actually spoken to distributors who subscribe to this, and they are the ones who told me about this theory in the first place.
Again, the “face” theory is only restricted to casting and selling the film. (Otherwise, there is no way PANIPAT would have been bought by so many exhibitors.) It’s no guarantee the film will actually succeed.
Hence the Jeeva correlation.
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Madan
August 16, 2020
“I have actually spoken to distributors who subscribe to this, and they are the ones who told me about this theory in the first place.” – OK, now I understand your argument better and my point is sometimes it comes across as if you are saying that BECAUSE the distributors made a particular judgment, it reflects what the audience wants. My only point is, specifically in AK’s case, there is no evidence that the audience wants to see his face. It could be a case of distributors overweighting him because, again, he comes from a parampara and assuming a popularity that he doesn’t really have. Is that not possible when distributors too hang out with producers and financiers who tell them AK is a hot product and who have been told this in turn by Boney Kapoor? The overwhelming affirmation of a view within a circle may produce a decision that is actually not as sound as they believe it to be.
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Aman Basha
August 16, 2020
@brangan sir: Reg. Nagarjuna, I’ve seen that interview but then with a decent VFX, even this is possible:
So.. Does he or Did they? That is the question.
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MANK
August 16, 2020
Thanks for sharing the link Brangan. I love reading about these big stars and their shenanigans 😍
When a filmmaker puts the audience before his film, more often than not he fails the audience itself. But you’re right, this has been going on before Frears, this will keep going on, though now at least in Hollywood the star system is dead
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Rahul
August 16, 2020
BR- “(Otherwise, there is no way PANIPAT would have been bought by so many exhibitors.) ”
But this is what block booking is – if you want to keep a cozy relationship with the production houses who also distribute the films , you have to sometimes agree to buy their duds along with the highly anticipated releases. A single exhibitor can be ruined if one of these powerful production – cum- distribution houses blacklist them. The problem is, as Om Puri kept saying in Maqbool – “Aag ke liye paani ka dar bana rehna chahiye. Shakti ka santulan bahut jaroori hai sansaar mein” “. Few production houses have gotten very powerful, there is no balance of power.
By the way, this block booking is not a theory. It was acknowledged during the dispute between SOS and MNIK.
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Aman Basha
August 16, 2020
I’ve seen Gunjan Saxena finally and wow, it was quite an excellent effort. The storyline and themes, irrespective of being dramatized or not, are very well presented. The cast was excellent and after looking at Janhvi’s performance, I’m not compelled to blame her for anything anymore. She’s said the sensible things and has given a good performance, irrespective of whether the role fits her due to her age or not. And man, Pankaj Tripathi gave a performance that feels like the mirror image of Rohit Roy’s military dad from Udaan in both theme and quality. Quite a happy way to celebrate India’s Independence Day with our PM speaking about sanitary pads from the Red Fort and the story of one of our first female Air Force pilots.
It still amazes me how they managed to make such a lackluster trailer, I’d like to apologize for doubting her ability. Anyway, when’s Sonam Kapoor’s next film coming up? Fits the narrative perfectly, is great meme fodder and has the proclivity to make the stupidest quotes possible. Gives me valid justification to bash her and I wouldn’t have to resort to making batshit crazy psychoanalysis like some of the bored commentators here.
And @brangan sir, loved your review. It’s perfect.
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shravangr205
August 16, 2020
I thought the film with a lot of potential was ruined by that poor/ over-dramatized version of the so called Sexist attitude of the IAF & as well as the brother character, shown as an idiot, no? Haha.
But then it’s a ‘Karan Johar type of guy’ doing the so-called ‘Creative Producing’ : Guys let’s not keep it subtle ya, it needs to be a punch to the gut. Let’s show that these guys absolutely look down on women & refuse to even have a bathroom in the army base,y’know what I’m saying?’.
Funny how in these reviews, every bad characterization is somehow ‘justified’ by trying to see through that (poorly written) character’s POV, purely with the intent of maintaining your integrity of reviewing ‘only the film’ without the ‘external factors’.
Hehe.
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Madan
August 17, 2020
Were there or weren’t there bathrooms for women in an army base? I wonder what other women in the force have to say about it – especially that timeline. My ex-boss did her apprenticeship with A F Ferguson which in the 90s had the who’s who of India Inc as audit clients and said in that time, it was not uncommon for there to be no ladies toilets in the plants of some of these companies. I remember that late 90s NDTV debate topics used to sometimes be about allowing women in combat and there were retired army men who spoke against. This isn’t even anything to be outraged about because it was way more of a mainstream view than today. Some of us have just become so impatient to see change that we have forgotten how long it took to break some taboos. It’s possible that it took pioneers like Gunjan Saxena to convince the army (not the leadership, but the ground level staff) that women could be excellent fighters too. After all, she WAS the first female pilot to fly in combat for the IAF. It was also only in 1992 that the Indian Army began to commission women in non-medical roles (including, for the first time, combat). The Navy broke these taboos earlier but their role is also more sheltered compared to the army or the air force.
I have no intention of watching this film but the idea that there may have been sexism or gender discrimination in the army is not far fetched because what we call sexism/discrimination today was a mainstream point of view then and these soldiers may not have thought of themselves as sexist.
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Isai
August 17, 2020
@Aman Basha:
I have often enjoyed reading your comments.
I would like to share some of my experiences here:
Most of my friends in my school days were from more affluent families. I have been to their homes and could see that their houses were bigger and better furnished. So, I used to avoid bringing them to my home since the few who did manage to come didn’t seem impressed. There is a scene in Kaala where a little boy says “then we can even bring our friends home”. That scene alone resonated with me so much that I ended up watching the movie twice in theatres even though I was not happy with Rajini’s characterisation and Ranjith’s resolution for the problem. Similarly, I read about Elizabeth Warren and was surprised to see that she had done the same and that alone made me identify with and root for her. Again, Thappad was another movie that resonated a lot with me since Taapsee’s character seemed to behave the way I always thought women should react to domestic violence. I remember a guy behind me shouting me ‘boring’ when I was quite engrossed in that movie. So, even for someone like me, who IMO is not easily moved, I have noticed that some movies deeply resonate on a personal level and we enjoy and remember it much more than others.
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bin this
August 17, 2020
What an irritating discussion! BR, we all get that these things have been happening for decades and everywhere and blah blah. Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t get called out – SSR’s death was an organic catalyst – so let the discussion happen at least. Anyway nothing will change, like you say and we will all live with it. Alia Bhatt will get some award next year. Let some people vent and get it out, my God! Do we really HAVE to write columns and columns about how it’s the audience’s fault? Btw, I’ve really grown to dislike Anupama and her extreme hypocrisy.
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brangan
August 17, 2020
bin this: What a baffling comment!
What an irritating discussion!
Is anyone pointing a gun at you and forcing you to endure this irritation? Go focus on more pleasant, non-irritating things. Please.
Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t get called out – so let the discussion happen at least.
And I am preventing this… how exactly? Given that I give so much space for others to comment on my blog, surely you can bear with the fact I sometimes feel like commenting, too, to explain my POV!
Let some people vent and get it out, my God!
And the reams of comments above are… what exactly? It’s people venting out, as I see it.
If you want me not to counter anything, then all I can say is… WTF! 😀
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bin this
August 17, 2020
Haha yeah ok. Even though I addressed the comment to you BR, I’m irritated by multiple people in this nepostism discussion. No one needs to care what I think but you allow ppl to say stuff in your comment space, so I did. Let me take my rude behind somewhere else 🙂
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ravenus1
August 17, 2020
I do hope this sort of shrill back and forth is not going to happen for every film that features or does not feature a privileged kid. Maybe better to have a separate topic for the same.
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Aman Basha
August 17, 2020
@Isai: I didn’t mean to mock you by any way, just that your psycho analysis based on online interactions came off as strange and made me wonder if you were too bored. BTW, BR sir has a poster of Raj Kapoor’s Barsaat in his room and the Showman had a sure mammary penchant, wonder what’s up with that?
I second ravenus1, it’d be better if we had a separate topic so that people who wish to discuss the issue can do it without hindering the discussion about the film itself or we can go back to that older page about Kangana.
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Anu Warrier
August 18, 2020
Perhaps this is the best place to post this:
https://www.ndtv.com/blog/won-t-let-anyone-take-away-my-achievements-gunjan-saxena-on-movie-row-2280730?pfrom=home-topstories
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Nathan
August 18, 2020
maybe these recordings will make for a great retirement nest egg
So no Cinema Paradiso “what you missed” reel for the rest of us then! Oh well..
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Santa
August 18, 2020
I haven’t been following all the sordid going-ons since SSR’s tragic demise. But there seems to be an implicit assumption that it is somehow tied to the culture of nepotism in Bollywood. Has this been ascertained to any degree of certainty or is this yet another instance of social-media going amok?
On a different note, Gunjan Saxena was great to watch, despite the somewhat broad strokes. The most moving part was when her dad tells her what patriotism is: doing your best in service of the nation, not jingoistic chest-thumping. Also, +1 to what @ravenus1 suggested. Perhaps this discussion can be moved to a dedicated thread? I can’t seem to recall a comments thread on which so few comments were devoted to the actual topic of the article.
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Isai
August 18, 2020
@Aman Basha:
“I didn’t mean to mock you by any way”
I didn’t think you did. You rightly understood that I was bored and apart from that, some of my longstanding personal issues got resolved recently because of this blog and hence I was feeling grateful to some people. That’s all.
“BTW, BR sir has a poster of.. ”
One thing which BR taught me is that it is not so much fun when it is done TO you as it is when it is done BY you. So, I would request that you don’t do or at least don’t ask unless it is going to really help him or if the situation really warrants it.
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easy
August 18, 2020
@Santa – I know nationalism is a bad word for many but it is simplistic to say armed forces should not be shown as jingoistic. They literally have war cries and address each other with Jai Hind. They are required to give up their life for the nation, if need be – maybe you and I can be patriotic without showing any overt signs of “Jingoism” but that’s not how the armed forces work.
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Santa
August 18, 2020
@easy: My apologies if my comment came across as criticizing the armed-forces as jingoistic; nothing could be further from my intention. I was trying to say that there is a difference between merely proclaiming loudly one’s love for their nation vs giving one’s best in service for their nation. The armed forces seems like one of the few institutions that actually do give their best, so certainly not questioning their patriotism.
I’m also not saying that the two (doing vs saying) are mutually exclusive – one can certainly do both – but most of the time we seem to hear the loud voices while ignoring those who toil away quietly.
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Kay
August 18, 2020
Sreevidya Rajan, Gunjan’s course mate who was there with her in the base, has spoken about the movie.
Reproducing it for those who are not in FB:
Dharma productions latest movie,” Gunjan Saxena the Kargil girl” has attracted a lot of mixed views from our fellow officers and friends. As the only other lady officer posted at Udhampur along with Gunjan Saxena and having gone through the ups and downs of the journey, now I would like to put forward my views.
We are course mates and had undergone our training together in AFA and HTS. Both of us were posted to Udhampur in 1996 but in the movie, it was shown that she was the only lady pilot posted at the unit. Since the two of us were the first lady pilots to be posted to that helicopter unit, we were skeptical about our acceptance in the male-dominated niche area of flying. We were received with the usual preconceived notions and prejudices from a few colleagues. However, there were enough officers to support us. We were under strict scrutiny and certain mistakes of ours were met with corrective actions which may have been overlooked had it been done by our male counterparts. We had to work harder than our counterparts to prove ourselves to be at par with them. Some were not happy to share the professional space with us but the majority accepted and treated us as fellow officers working towards a common goal.
Our flying began within a few days of our arrival and was never interrupted or cancelled for petty reasons as wrongly portrayed in the movie. The squadron commander was a thorough professional. He was a very strict and tough officer who took us to task whenever there was a mistake from our side, be it male or female. We never faced any humiliating physical strength demonstrations as shown in the movie. We were never ill-treated or humiliated by our fellow officers.
As shown in the movie, there were no separate toilet facilities and changing rooms for ladies in the unit. After initial difficulties, we shared the limited resources with our fellow officers and they always accommodated and helped us whenever it was needed.
In the movie, Gunjan Saxena was shown as the only lady pilot to fly in Kargil operations. This is factually incorrect. We were posted together to Udhampur and when the Kargil conflict started, I was the first woman pilot to be sent along with the male counterparts in the first detachment of our unit which deployed at Srinagar. I flew missions in the conflict area even before Gunjan’s arrival at Srinagar. After a few days of operation, Gunjan Saxena came to Srinagar with the next set of crew. We actively participated in all operations given to us which included casualty evacuation, supply drop, communication sorties, SAR, etc. The heroic acts of the protagonist portrayed in the climax never actually happened and may have been shown as part of cinematic licence.
Gunjan and I were posted together in two stations. Being her coursemate and a good friend, I believe that the filmmakers have twisted the facts given by Gunjan for the sake of publicity. She is a brilliant officer and a thorough professional. She had many achievements during her career which should have been portrayed to inspire the younger generation instead of showing her as a weak and oppressed victim in certain scenes. . As the pioneers of women pilots, we were treated with utmost respect and it was our responsibility to live up to the expectations and pave way for future generations. The movie is sending out a wrong message about the lady officers of IAF there by demeaning the prestigious organisation of our country.
I only wish that since it is a Biopic, Gunjan should have made sure to show the facts and portray IAF in a positive light before giving her approval to air the movie.
Though I was the first lady pilot to fly in Kargil, I never claimed it in any forum before this due to my strong belief in gender equality. In Kargil operations, male pilots had flown extensively and faced more hardships than us. But they never got or sought any publicity. We probably were given this fame because of our gender which I do not support. In defence services, there is no disparity between male or female. We are all officers in uniform.
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tejas
August 18, 2020
I would give this film a solid 5 out of 7.
Pankaj Tripathi was awesome and he just keeps surprising us with his interpretation of characters, doesn’t he! Jahnvi was good in lighter scenes, but she made it hard to buy her character’s outburst.
I liked how this was a masala film at the core, and the film didn’t become too heavy at any point. We wouldn’t be having a lot of these discussions about the veracity of the events in the film if –
a) it wasn’t made by KJo and didn’t start Jahnvi. The public sentiments are really against them. I understand that a lot of outrage might just be gas, but hey – it’s not as if the film released in the theaters and made 300cr, thereby dispelling all the notions of a “boycott” of “nepo-kids”.
b) it was made on a person, specially in the current environment where a lot of verification can be done immediately; and will be done immediately because even reporters do not want to / cannot go in the field to cover any “real” issues like bijlee, paani, roads etc.
One major disappointment though – I wish one of the characters saved by Gunjan Saxena was either Sanjay Kapoor or Puru Rajkumar’s character from L.O.C. Kargil. Sort of our own army-universe with parallel history à la Tarantino. I mean imagine the rage machine if the nepo-kid saved her own real life uncle from a different film.
Tcha! No one’s got any imagination wonly!
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tejas
August 18, 2020
oh and since I have got the keyboard anyways, here’s the cth reason why people are picking on the film –
c) there is something about the tone, production values, and overall marketing behind the film. The Indian audience has never been one to complain about untrue events in movies before. So in addition to a & b from above, maybe something else could have been done to make this more believable. Maybe Gunjan’s helicopter should have bombed a few bunkers, she should have done something more heroinic (is that a word), so to stroke the nationalist pride. The current climax is bit of a damp squib.
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Anu Warrier
August 18, 2020
@Kay, the link I posted (the Gunjan Saxena op-ed) seems to have been in response to this.
And it’s rather crazy, come to think of it – if Sreevidya Ranjan was indeed the first woman to fly in Kargil, the IAF would have put out a disclaimer right when the film was announced. As GS points out – these are matters of record.(Official IAF, not social media.) Even the IAF officers who are grumbling about the ‘unfair depiction’ of the armed forces haven’t said the film-makers got the essential fact wrong.
It’s also interesting that she didn’t speak up before – saying she was the first woman to fly in Kargil is not a matter of gender equality. It’s a matter of setting the record right. That’s such a specious argument. Or we needn’t have celebrated Valentina Tereshkova either. After all, men had gone into space either.
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KK
August 22, 2020
I know why we love to hate privileged people. Because it seems unfair. We can’t accept the reality that it was unfair, to begin with. Even when we weren’t civilized, there was unfairness in the sense that some people were stronger or smarter or more skilled when it came to survival. Those were the work of genes. Now, it’s money and power. It is what it is. Sure it’s not fair but ask yourself, have you always been fair? I am in academia. I have seen Bengali professor choosing Bengali students. It’s also safe to assume it happens in all languages. In every department, you will see linguistic groups. This is called favouritism. Have you never referred someone for some job only because you knew the person? Did you actually consider the merits of the person or you just ‘trusted’ him? This ‘making contact’ thing is there in every aspect of our life. So why not allow the same logic to so-called nepo-kids?
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Kshemankari Narayan
August 24, 2020
In view of the tremendous controversy related to revelations of Ms. Sreevidya Rajan, the movie ‘Gunjan’ stands demolished. I wonder why the makers of the biopic chose to distort history and demean IAF to such a great extent.
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shravangr205
August 30, 2020
My dream is to someday see BR start off a review saying things like:
“Sigh. It’s a Karan Johar production. Yup it’s gonna be that kinda movie. So you know what to expect. Let’s be realistic with our expectations..so here we go'”
OR
“Let’s be honest. What do you expect when someone like a Seeman/Atlee tries to make a movie on urban millennial relationships in Mumbai? Cute”
Goddammit just judge the book by the frikkin cover for once!
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AK
August 30, 2020
That was a really nice movie. A few takeaways for me:
1) Wish that this movie had gotten its time in the theatres. We need stories about women and we need them being well made. Going by all the conversation in this thread, I can tell that people hate a star kid headlining such movies. If a producer would back a woman centric movie with a well known face, then it is a win for everyone. It isn’t about feminism or empowerment or nepotism (at least for me), we need more women on screen, in all their flaws, follies and strengths.
2) loved the stretch dealing with her physical shortcomings and how she overcomes them. The movie makes a very important point about why certain physical jobs traditionally required men, and how women can also fill those roles without compromising on the quality of the work performed.
3) JK was decent for the most part. Quiet and dignified. Glad that there weren’t any sweeping rousing scenes of empowerment that could have made the movie a bit cringey. It’s difficult to tread the middle ground in a movie wants to do much- be a biopic, break a few cloud ceilings, empower the protagonist, not be a documentary and take enough cinematic licence to be true to the story, not piss off the IAF and then pay it all off in a final climax stretch.
4) The IAF is positioned in a grey zone where the institution accepts and still pushes back against female recruits. This is a natural depiction of how female empowerment works in our society, slow and gradual. I can give so many examples of gold medalists and toppers from my uni days who have done post graduation, then gone on to start families and be full time mothers. If this was their choice, then there’s no issue. But I will go out on a limb and say that some had this decision made for them. Study as much as you want to, but be a stay at home mom later.
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Aman
September 1, 2020
@Madan: For all the debate and argument about Arjun Kapoor you had, I guess Bollywood just flipped you the bird by announcing three projects and one rumored confirmation with him:
https://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/exclusives/exclusive-its-arjun-kapoor-vs-john-abraham-mohit-suris-ek-villain-2-557793
https://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/news/saif-ali-khan-and-arjun-kapoor-set-spook-you-they-come-together-horror-comedy-titled-bhoot-police-560232
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/arjun-kapoor-roped-in-for-shah-rukh-khans-next-production-on-muzaffarpur-shelter-mass-abuse/articleshow/77851798.cms
https://www.indiatvnews.com/entertainment/celebrities/john-abraham-aditi-rao-hydari-first-look-from-arjun-kapoor-rakul-preet-singh-love-story-out-644889
I’m honestly speechless, even Bachchan Jr., despite being a good actor, is relentlessly trolled and after Raavan and some other films flopped, didn’t get a whole lot of opportunities, often being a part of multi starrers. What do people see in him?
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Madan
September 1, 2020
Aman: I swear. Prove me wrong, guys. Prove to me NOW that nepotism of an impossible depth doesn’t exist in Bollywood. Even after Panipat, they are bent on sinking money on this grand turd of a ‘star’.
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MANK
September 1, 2020
What do people see in him?
Boney Kapoor’s money and influence.
Remember, he had gotten Sanjay Kapoor 25 movies before the release of his first film, and on a price on par with Madhuri and Sridevi at the time.
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Aman
September 1, 2020
@MANK: But then, during the 90s, didn’t people go on a signing spree? For example, the guy from Aashiqui too had non stop disasters. In this time and age, particularly after that strike in 2009, to have disasters and still get offers is something unprecedented. As I said, Bachchan Jr had 4 failures in 2010 and soon got relegated to supporting roles for a long time. Arjun Kapoor has no slowing down even after 4 failures and he isn’t even as good an actor as Abhishek..
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Aman
September 1, 2020
@Madan: This reaction of yours perfectly shows why the industry is getting so much backlash. I’d wager that among those who used to troll Arjun Kapoor, not even a quarter would have really known well about SSR before his death.
I’m starting to think that this might be a watershed moment for us all. There is no doubt that it is being used in some ways as a diverson from important issues by the establishment. I thought so too, wondering if the dislikes Sadak 2 got were also because of Mahesh Bhatt’s politics but after Khaali Peeli, which didn’t even get publicity being the new dislike rod. It’s amply clear that the general public, during this extraordinary time, has become more aware and is forced to grapple with the unfairness inherent in our world. Class division, the barrier between the haves and have nots, rich and poor, government incompetence are all underlying societal issues that found a perfect mirror in the narrative of SSR being a talented young man moving to the big city with dreams and talent, slowly making it to the top until he was damaged by the big powerful evil rich.
The film industry’s inherent problems and contradictions proved the perfect outlet for the public’s outrage over everything around them and also since they were in a stronger position to express opposition. Getting a resolution in this issue or at least some change in the way Bollywood operates provides a catharsis to the common man.
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MANK
September 2, 2020
Aman, listen to this. Kangana is on a rampage. Supposedly, Drugs is one of the binding forces of this nepotistic circle
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Madan
September 2, 2020
Aman: The issue itself has morphed now into nothing more than a convenient conduit for central govt to deflect attention from debate on the economy. So I do agree that SSR became, in death, a vehicle for the angst against nepotism to find an outlet. And I cannot say that is particularly unfair. My impression from Dil Bechara was consistent with the actor I had seen in Byomkesh. He was good but he was not an outstanding actor. Enough time has passed since his death that I can say that now without being crucified for it (I think!). He had his merits but for all that, he was not an undeniable level talent either, at least not imo. Arjun Kapoor OTOH certainly is undeniable…undeniably bad.
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Aman
September 2, 2020
@MANK, I have very mixed feelings about this drugs issue. Drugs are undeniably common everywhere and especially in the entertainment industry. Even in Hyderabad, a drug dealer was found to have links with film fraternity like Puri Jagannadh and so on, but there was no follow up.
If it’s something minor like charas/ganja, that’s no big deal, but if it’s hard drugs being procured, and if a drugs racket does get busted, the Central Govt gets a major victory. Have to say the timing of Pak acknowledging Dawood and this is suspicious. Hope it isn’t just the left leaning actors and artists who face legal action.
About Kangana, well, I’m seriously shipping her and Arnab now 🙂 Of course, she can’t help but refer Hrithik in every breath she takes, but how does drugs have a link with nepotism? Chotte Miyan is definitely Govinda, might explain why his career took a nosedive.
In the end, whatever Kangana said at the start about SSR is turning out to be true, all quarters have agreed that he was unfairly targeted. It’s still a wonder why no one is willing to investigate that.
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MANK
September 2, 2020
My impression from Dil Bechara was consistent with the actor I had seen in Byomkesh. He was good but he was not an outstanding actor. Enough time has passed since his death that I can say that now without being crucified for it
That’s true Madan, De mortuis nil nisi bonum always applies, but you are right. SSR was more earnest than outstanding. He was not in the league of (say) a Ranveer as a star\actor\performer. But compared with the likes of Arjun Kapoor and Co.he deserved a lot more.
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Aman
September 2, 2020
@Madan: But then here’s where the nepotism debate goes around in a circle, you’ve said that he was good based on whatever you’ve seen of him from DBB to DB but then, it could just as well be argued that he hasn’t gotten the right kind of roles or films that could help him explore or showcase his talents better. For example, SSR and even Rajkummar Rao are trained dancers but never got the hype or platform that Varun Dhawan or Tiger Shroff did.
Among outsiders, only Ayushmann is doing well and in a way no one expected, he’s made hits out of scripts that no starkid would touch. If not for his success, I’m sure we wouldn’t be seeing so many films based on the Hindi heartland.
Even in the 2000s, it’s puzzling to me how Bebo emerged at the top even after nearly 10 consecutive flops, I mean her biggest hit K3G had her only in a supporting role. While Amisha Patel just seemed to disappear and Gracy Singh ended up in Deshdrohi, even Aditi Rao didn’t build up on Vivah.
@MANK: About Ranveer who is often used to dispel the notion of nepotism, one of the most misleading notions of Bollywood is that Ranveer Singh is an outsider, either that or the situation in Bollywood is so bad that Ranveer is considered an outsider. His grandmother was the yesteryear actress Chand Burke who worked in Boot Polish, he is cousins with Sonam Kapoor and there are even pictures of him attending her childhood party. More than that, his father is Jagjit Singh Bhavnani who is very well to do, but with no trace on the internet. Rumors are that he is involved in distribution too. His father supposedly bankrolled BBB or invested some part. It does sort of explain why RS got to step out of the notorious YRF contract when he wanted to. It seems an attempt to position him as the ‘next SRK’, given how many other times such articles have been written. He blew a bit of it when he said they were “so middle class that they could afford only one overseas holiday” during Gully Boy.
Now RS is a fantastic actor nonetheless, but although SRK did have relations with Dilip Kumar, it never landed him opportunities. He joined theatre, NSD (maybe as his father ran the canteen there), worked in Barry John’s, landed a small role in Dil Dariya and, upon his mother pleading with one of the writers, got Fauji. He was already popular when he came to make his debut. Akshay Kumar was childhood chum with Nadiawala, but came up the really hard way. Salman was an underwear model befor MPK, not sure about Anna though. It’s a little disconcerting when you’re presenting a false equivalence to boost your image in public.
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Madan
September 2, 2020
“you’ve said that he was good based on whatever you’ve seen of him from DBB to DB but then, it could just as well be argued that he hasn’t gotten the right kind of roles or films that could help him explore or showcase his talents better.” – But that’s why I said he’s good and not undeniable. He was not getting cast in BAD films. On the contrary, he was in good films with good roles and roles that covered a fair spectrum. Let me contrast here with a really great actor. I didn’t have to see anything beyond Satya (though I did, of course) to know Manoj Bajpai was an undeniable talent. Likewise with Nawaz in Kahaani. And since you mentioned Rajkumar Rao, I saw Queen again the other day and noticed how well he etched the role of a self centred, arrogant sod without appearing to act very much at all. I didn’t feel like SSR had THAT quality. He was in fact an extremely physical actor, almost SRK like in terms of having restless energy. But like MANK said, not quite having the star power of Ranveer. I saw Ranveer in Band Baja Baaraat and he impressed me even back then. I didn’t know anything about him at that time.
None of this, again, is to say SSR was a bad actor at all. He was very good. But he could not make himself indispensable. And I don’t think it would be entirely accurate to blame all of that only on a nepotist conspiracy (now this is starting to sound like the argument BR was making but here we go). I am saying he was in enough films, however he got them, that the audience would have made a bigger star out of him if he was going to be. What is the argument we are making here? If he was being robbed of ANY films per se to pull him down, that would be wrong. If the question is why wasn’t HE being offered big tent films to become a star, well…that’s not an entitlement. And the selection of who does get to act in such films may not always be fair, yes, but that’s how the industry works. With or without nepotism, there is always going to be an element of ‘unfairness’ because it’s extremely subjective and unpredictable. The same unpredictability we as the audience love makes a career in the films a nerve-wracking affair as many actors have willingly admitted. But they know/knew, they made an informed decision. And if they didn’t, that’s just too bad.
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Aman
September 2, 2020
@Madan: I do mean that the argument is outsiders seem to be robbed of films per se that inadvertly pull him down, that they are pulled down with no respect to their talent or the success they’ve been a part of. I just wondered whether that happened to Kareena’s outsider contemporaries in the noughts.
To give just one example of actors “being robbed of ANY films”, Taapsee Pannu was initially cast in Pati Patni Aur Woh and was finalised. Later, she came out in public and complained over this overnight replacement publicly. It was the right thing to do of course and the producers had to issue a clarification too. The media initially reported it as a ‘star kid’ replacing Taapsee and she hinted at this too.
This is where you learn how much influence the powerful wield, Viral Bhayani, the Insta photographer’s post about Taapsee being replaced by Ananya got deleted, the initial buzz that it’d be a Taapsee/Kartik/Bhumi movie completely disappeared and later, Taapsee herself says Bhumi replaced her in the Patni role. Now after PPAW, Ananya is described as ‘the rising young heartthrob with a hit to her credit’.
There was even a very strong rumor that Sonam replaced Taapsee in Ek Ladki ko Dekha, a rumor so strong that the producer had to issue a clarification to clear this. No one ever clarifies blinds especially about casting, the time SSR had to do so was due to the blind drawing him into the #MeToo movement. Otherwise, he too never reacted to any blind about him, no matter how demeaning and (as proven) false statements were being written about him. This is just one example and I’m sure there are many others too, leading actresses/actors get replaced by nepokids is a commonality.
That’s why I’m so happy that people are using dislikes so strongly, the views may increase but the damage to reputation is real and given how intrinsic social media and endorsements are to stardom today, it’s bound to hurt. Hopefully Sonam was right about karma after all.
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MANK
September 3, 2020
Aman, a lot of things that Kangana says in that interview are public knowledge, albeit spoken only in very hush tones until now. the dark moral world of South Bombay upper class that drives today’s Bollywood is not hidden from anyone, and so is Hrithik and his wife’s drug problems.The only problem is when she uses terms like Anti-hindu, anti-national to further her agenda.
The reason why Bollywood was trying its best to avoid a CBI inquiry was because it would expose this nefarious drug culture prevalent in the industry.Though, I don’t think anybody is going to jail, either left leaning or right leaning, whatever dirt is going to be dug up will be used by the powers that be to keep the celebrities under their thumb.
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MANK
September 3, 2020
Regarding Ranveer, i don’t think him being a distant relative of sonam kapoor and having attended her birthday party does it for him. He came up the hard way, through theater and auditions and all that , facing rejection (Remember Kareena Kapoor walked out of Ramleela, refusing to be his heroine) . Yes he is from a very rich family and he was lucky to get a break with Yashraj for his debut, so his story is different from someone like SSR or SRK. But i don’t think it was his father’s money alone that did the trick with regards to Aditya Chopra going easy on him. he was a loyal servant of Yashraj, having done the contracted 3 films- BBB, Gunday and Befikre, while i believe SSR did only one film. he was supposed to do Befikre , but he rejected the offer. Now one would say that any self respecting actor should run very far away from a film like Befikre, but he was a contract player and his rejection would not have gone down well with Adi chopre. Ranveer, at the time, had moved into the top league with Bajirao Mastani, but still he honored his commitment to Yashraj.
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Aman Basha
September 3, 2020
@MANK: Here’s where Ranveer’s s career gets interesting, no one apart from Ranveer has ever broken the contract, i.e not acted in any other production between the three films. Ranveer got to do Lootera and Ram Leela between Ricky Bahl and Gunday, also Kareena walked out because of a no pregnancy clause I believe. I agree that he has come up the hard way, and that the KJo clique was snobbish to him at the start. That’s what I meant, if the son of a multi millionaire with reasonable family connections still gets treated like an outsider, the situation is pathetic. That the son of a multi millionaire’s struggle to get in is equalled to SRK in today’s Bollywood clearly shows how out of touch with reality they are.
Ranveer however has handled his stardom better than SRK to be frank. He hasn’t been pigeonholed into one particular genre as SRK was with romance.
One version of the Befikre story is also that Adi C initially offered SSR Befikre and later took Ranveer instead. This miffed SSR as he’d lost out on a lot of projects due to Paani and this, he quit.
I don’t think anything will happen in this drugs case, I’m no fool to believe in the Indian Justice system, but the one thing I’m curious about yet no one seems interested in is how SSR had no movie, discussion, rumor at all during the entire year of 2019. This was much before his health was said to have worsened, it’s purely my hypothesis that the MeToo rumors really hurt his standing. So the question yet again arises, who wrote those fake blinds and why?
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Enna koduka sir pera
September 3, 2020
It’s a media circus out there and atrocious levels of journalism. I have a hard time differentiating when Kangana leaves the realm of reality to fantasy. I am okay with all that except for the insertion of anti-nationalist, anti-Hindu topics in the discussion – the have no relevance and in fact, pretty dangerous to link these two in these times. I see her as a clever, future politician winning her way through whatever sentiments work with the crowd.
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Anu Warrier
September 4, 2020
Drugs are an issue everywhere – be it in Fashion, Advertising, Theatre or Films. Always has been, always will be. Do hard drugs abound? Sure. But definitely not to the extent that Kangana is claiming. Anyone who wants to buy drugs knows whom to contact. This whole ‘the industry is filled with drug addicts and debauchery’ is KR’s latest salvo when the attention seems to be going off her. I have to admire Deepika for keeping quiet when KR decided to train her guns on her and claim that DP doesn’t have depression.
To say that Bombay is like POK is the pits – it is still the safest city to be in, and the Mumbai Police are one of the best. For her to demand security – excuse me, who the heck is she? – and then claim she only wants it from the centre because the cops in Bombay will kill her? To go on TV and claim that KJo killed SSR? Or had him killed?
I won’t even say, ‘Is she serious?” She isn’t – she’s just using what I have come to realise is the Trump handbook. Lie through your blasted teeth and keep lying until it is magnified so much it becomes the truth. And she’s got the BJP troll army behind her.
I’m glad that Naseeruddin Shah called her out. And I’m glad that others are beginning to speak up too – though Vidya is now being trolled for requesting the ceasing of the media trial of Rhea Chakraborty and letting the law of the land take its course.
Especially now that it is pretty clear that SSR’s family did know about his mental problems, and his sisters seem to have aided him to get a false prescription et al.
It’s really become a quagmire with accusations and counter accusations, and since KR cannot bear to not have the attention on her, she just keeps tweeting something controversial every day. And of course, anybody questioning her, or disagreeing with her is anti-national, anti-Hindu (which, apparently are one and the same!), and pseudo-liberal.
MANK, I don’t know who gave you the dope (forgive the pun) on HR and his ex-wife but I can at least vouch for the fact that that it is not true.
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Madan
September 4, 2020
“To say that Bombay is like POK is the pits – it is still the safest city to be in, and the Mumbai Police are one of the best. ” – She said WHAT about Bombay? Going full social media style now but LOLOLOL. Wish I could post memes. Geez, lady, if you hate Bombay so much, you’re free to leave ya know, not like anybody is forcing you to stay.
At what point do we say that the tenuous validity of SOME of the things she says is undermined by her propensity to lie outrageously? Yeah, exactly, like Trump and his people in dark shadows controlling Biden. You can’t abuse your underdog privilege so much; maybe, maybe to people who only know Bombay from the movies, this kind of batshit crazy stuff sounds plausible but take it from a long time Bombayite, this is just BS of the lowest depths. I mean, half of the city is just a big slum anyway. What POK? Yes, there is a drug trade but it operates in absolute stealth in the most unobtrusive way. And there are some such scams or frauds going on all the time in many of the world’s major cities, it’s no big deal. Where there’s money, there’s scum. You knew that when you came here, Kangana? Just spit out: now that Anurag Thakurji is a MoS, you would like to run on the BJP ticket from Himachal (which nowadays means coming on Republic TV or Zee News and spouting the most nonsense conspiracy theories, does it not), wouldn’t you? You’re most welcome, just leave us hapless Bombayites alone, pretty please.
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krishikari
September 4, 2020
@anu yes, you were right about Kangana. Lately this has really become a vortex of all kinds of insanity circuses joined together.
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Aman Basha
September 4, 2020
@Anu: What about this article, from India Today, which is to be frank, the favorite of Bollywood and has been espousing a ‘fair’ stance on the case:
https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/celebrities/story/exclusive-dum-maro-dum-insiders-reveal-drug-epidemic-sweeping-bollywood-1717139-2020-09-02
The case is not just about drug consumption but also drug peddling. Not only in Mumbai, investigations have started in Bangalore about the Kannada film industry. Even I’m baffled how it grew into such a big issue.
Kangana tweeting and Kangana in an interview seem like two different individuals. Although Anurag Kashyap, Swara Bhaskar are no better, with one hand they ask us to stop the media trial of Rhea Chakraborty and with the other, retweet leaked statements of psychiatrists and witnesses, with their own additions to boot. Here’s an example:
I won’t comment about the case here, but the family’s account still stands and even I can poke a multi donut size hole in Rhea Chakraborthy’s side.
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Madan
September 4, 2020
“even I can poke a multi donut size hole in Rhea Chakraborthy’s side.” – Maybe you can but there’s no evidence so far that the CBI has. I am waiting with not exactly bated breath but they have been probing and probing for days and questioned her and others for hours. If it was so obvious that Mumbai police messed up, why is it proving to be such an uphill battle for CBI? There may or may not be something there but the way the narrative was built up about Rhea as well as the Mumbai police purely based off conjecture and wild conspiracy theories was alarming. I bet the whole thing dies down after Bihar elections. Yashwant Sinhaji is virtually doing a JP Narayan on BJP in Bihar and they need this ‘murder’ case to dominate the news cycle so that his movement does not gain traction. Any disquiet in Bihar could easily spread to bordering Purvanchal which is a vote mine for BJP and they don’t want that. It’s no coincidence that Times Now has twice dissuaded guests in a debate from talking about the economy, deeming it a ‘waste of time’.
It would be nice to see the police and other investigation agencies get to the bottom of this…if indeed there’s something there and it wasn’t just suicide. But if Times Now and Republic want us to believe that is more important than discussing the state of the nation, then I don’t have to be as crazy as Kangana to call this out for what it is. Just a novel ruse by the central Govt to distract people from the issues that really matter.
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Anu Warrier
September 4, 2020
@ Madan, right? So when Sanjay Raut (whom I don’t agree with on politics or even really like much) tweeted that she need not return to Bombay if it were so bad that she needed security and couldn’t trust the police here, she claimed he was ‘openly intimidating’ her.
For me, Bombay is the city closest to my heart. I have returned by the last local from Churchgate in the company of the machhiwaalis after work, and not felt in the least unsafe walking home alone from the station. And despite all its problems, I still love Bombay with all my heart.
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Anu Warrier
September 4, 2020
@Aman – I’m not saying there aren’t drugs available at parties – they are even at industrialists’ and politicians’ parties. But to the extent that they are claiming? As if everyone is a coke-addict? In that story you linked – the guy who claimed he was a coke addict? Really? Do they even understand addiction? And it goes on from 9 at night to mid-morning the next day? SMH!
And India Today doing such shoddy investigative reporting is a shame! What’s the difference between this article and the blinds that Rajeev Masand used to write? No sources named, ‘a top hero’, ‘action-director’, etc.? This would never have passed editorial sanctions when I was working.
The way these folks work, especially the top stars today – with their work schedules, their workout schedules, etc. Do you honestly think they can function if they are drug addicts? Or that it won’t show on screen? I remember the 80s when Sanjay Dutt was a junkie – you could tell. Both on screen and off. And he wasn’t even snorting coke.
And about Rhea – don’t know the young woman, haven’t seen the interview. And I can believe she’s lying about some things – but look at it from her perspective: her BF committed suicide/was murdered; she’s suddenly in the spotlight, being accused of many, many things, and worse, being sent rape and death threats. Can you blame her for panicking?
SSR’s family’s multiple accounts have as many holes – with the father claiming Rhea never told them SSR was mentally ill to chats showing that not only did the sister know but even procured medication for him under a false prescription, changing medicines he was already taking, etc., etc., etc.
I don’t know what the truth is; I hope it will come out some day, or that some version of it will. In the meantime, I still hold that everyone around the issue from Kangana to the media to the politicians are just using SSR’s unfortunate death to settle personal vendettas.
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Aman Basha
September 4, 2020
@Anu Warrier: I agree with you about India Today’s investigation, my point is that Anurag and Co. have been selectively tweeting articles about the case from India Today trying their best to exhort Rhea when they have said of no media trial. So this is what India Today has written about them and the industry they work in.
I have no interest to comment on a criminal investigation and yes, everyone is using the issue to settle personal vendettas. Therefore, I’ve chosen to do what Apurva Asrani and Abhay Deol did; that is to question the authorship of the MeToo blind and whether it was used to damage SSR’s reputation and career. You said how busy these stars of today are, then why did SSR, a reasonably successful actor have no work, offer or endorsement through the whole year of 2019 since his health seemed to have worsened only after October?
Let’s make this the last time we discuss the exact details of this case so yes, okay I’ll assume that SSR suffered from Bipolar from October 2019 and in fact, suffered from it his whole life. Of course, Rhea, the angel that she is, helped him in every which way possible, looking after him like his mother as that doctor said. He was also a drug addict too, ok.
Then why do Rhea, Showik and Miranda order drugs, not any paltry sum but 10 kg of weed at times whose gram price is 2K rupees. If Rhea was really concerned, she would have kept a Bipolar patient away from drugs which could worsen his condition. When she herself is buying drugs using his money, who’s to say she isn’t giving them to him?
The statement of the doctor in India Today also says he never spoke about drugs, so did the doctors diagnose based on incomplete information? So was Rhea misleading the doctors? His episodes could also be after effects of drug abuse too.
To quote Knives Out, there’s multi donut size holes in Rhea’s account.
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Anu Warrier
September 5, 2020
@Aman, I don’t know what you’re arguing about – I have not defended Rhea or proclaimed her an angel. I haven’t even said anything about SSR’s mental health or alleged drug use other than pointing out that there are holes in everyone’s stories.
As for Anurag or Swara tweeting whatever, how am I responsible? When I talk about the media circus or trial by media, surely it includes what they are saying as well?
In any case, there are plenty of Knives Out for Rhea – and I’m only objecting to the carefully orchestrated vilification going on. If she’s guilty, throw the book at her. But if she’s not, her life as she knows it, is finished. She will never live down these accusations, because she’ll always be suspect. Even if she’s cleared by the CBI.
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Aman Basha
September 5, 2020
@Anu Warrier: I’m sorry, I wasn’t arguing with you, merely pointing out the hypocrisy of Anurag Kashyap, Swara, Taapsee and others who have tweeted constantly about stopping the media trial and at the same time, retweet articles related to the case that seem to run in Rhea’s favor. This is not the only industry where a drug investigation is going on. Sandalwood (Kannada Film Industry) has had one too, and in fact, a major actress Ragini Dwivedi was arrested today. This industry too has artists of different politics than the ruling powers. They have been maintaining a dignified silence on the whole issue. Here, the constant noise made doesn’t reflect well on them. The point I just put was what they all conveniently seem to miss in their versions.
I too object to her constant villification, and also to the comments and tweets made by any celebrity against anyone in this case, especially respectable ones like the people I listed above. Kangana, Arnab and the media can all go on their own trips, they hit new lows on a daily basis anyway. I’m no one to comment on a case or investigation and did the previous one only since you did too.
I will however comment on this seemingly toxic environment Bollywood has become.
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krishikari
September 6, 2020
Sandalwood! love it, had not heard that one before, lol.
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Doba
September 6, 2020
Anu, I totally feel the same. These days, I try to navigate the news pages so that I don’t have to read anything about this case. If Rhea is innocent, then she has been treated in a manner that is beyond inhuman. I feel terrible for her. I still don’t / can’t feel anything other than disgust for this industry. Not one of the male big names have stood up and spoken against the lynching of this woman and her family. But yes, the producers guild found some time to write some anodyne statements to justify nepotism! Excellent priorities. When it is Salman Khan or someone like that, the whole industry streams out to offer support.
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rsylviana
September 7, 2020
@Doba – I know right ?! That tweet out by The Producers Guild can just be summed-up as
“Yes we have problems within our industry. Yes like every other sector. No we are not gonna do anything about it. #InSolidarityWithIDontKnowWhat
P.S – Yes yes we are very sad about that young actor who recently passed away. ”
Honestly I couldn’t care less if Hrithik and Suzanne get high as kites daily since they are adults with a support system big enough to inhabit an entire town, so as long as they aren’t peddling drugs themselves and disrupting others’ lives while being cocooned up there, they can shoot up to glory for all I care. So all this is just Kangana being Kangana.Also I have absolutely no faith in our Judiciary System but after watching what has happened to poor Rhea all these days they seem to be our best shot. Even if she had supplied drugs and pushed Sushant to suicide she deserves atleast a modicum of respect,dignity and, in the midst of this raging pandemic, some 6 feet of personal space than what has been offered to her in the past few months.
Speaking of Kangana, she has gone far past from being that sensible woman on Anupama Chopra’s interview who discussed about her edgy fashion sense, the 2-minute roles in big-budget films she had to play to earn her bread and butter (BTW has that video been removed from youtube?) to someone who keeps raking up some shit every other day in the name of being a messiah to the underprivileged. She is doing no help to the nepotism debate, to the outsiders in the industry, to SSR’s family & friends and least of all, SSR. But one thing is, atleast she has gone ahead and publicly accepted in some form that she is doing all this to further her own agenda while the likes of Anurag Kashyap and Swara Bhasker are blaming her for being self-serving while forgetting that they too are doing more or less the same. IMHO , Kangana shouldn’t have mentioned Taapsee and Swara Bhasker’s name but she was right on point about predicting the nepotism honchos bringing out few outsiders and making them declare that they haven’t faced any prejudice because of starkids / nepotism so then they can come out to say – “See they haven’t faced any discrimination so there is no nepotism in the industry, everybody please go home”.
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Madan
September 7, 2020
“. Not one of the male big names have stood up and spoken against the lynching of this woman and her family. But yes, the producers guild found some time to write some anodyne statements to justify nepotism! Excellent priorities. ” – It’s a solution that suits both sides. Make Rhea the scapegoat and you can save nepotism from the wrath of the public while still giving central govt a handle to whine about Maharashtra govt’s incompetence. Why should I now uncritically accept a whole new set of conspiracy theories making her the murderer? If it was so obvious, why didn’t they just say it in the beginning? It took two months for Sushant’s family to start shouting from the rooftops about Rhea. How can people not read between the lines here and understand what’s going on is beyond me.
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Aman Basha
September 7, 2020
@Madan and @rsylviana: I think nepotism, or at least the public anger against nepotism has become somwhere a part of our subconsciousness. To quote from what happened today, the new song from Khaali Peeli featuring Panday had a a line that went like, “goriya, tujhe dekh ke Beyonce sharma jayegi”. Enraged netizens and Beyonce fans pounced on that line as making an allusion to skin colour, others simply to get back at whichever idiot thought it was a good idea to compare Ananya to Queen Bey. The song has yet again raked in hellfire of dislikes, currently triple the number of likes. Even more hilarious, some of the onliners started apologising to Beyonce online:
https://twitter.com/kiaraastan/status/1302873777999503361
They can’t promote it more since that’d make it another Sadak 2, I do wonder if the hate is coming out more for female star kids. I’m curious to see how Coolie No 1’s trailer would be seen. If that too gets another load of dislikes, then it’s clear that later on, Bollywood would depend solely on its older stars, some of whom may be nepotistic, but have strong enough fanbases to defend them. The newer lot and especially Karan Johar are in big trouble, there’s no way Koffee With Karan will get another season after all this.
On a humorous note, Kangana and the Shiv Sena have found their match in each other. I’ll sitting with a big bowl tuned to Republic on mute when Kangana probably steps out of Mumbai Airport, full on Jhansi ki Rani mode, riding a mechanical horse and brandishing a sword, shouting Jai Bhavani 🙂 This will be one for the ages.
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Madan
September 7, 2020
Aman: That doesn’t address what I said. In the beginning, people were super convinced that the nepot gang had something to do with his DEATH. Now it’s Rhea. Who will it be tomorrow? Jawaharlal Nehru or Mahatma Gandhi?
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Anu Warrier
September 7, 2020
@Madan – oh, didn’t you hear about KR in full-on avenging angel mode insisting that KJo had Sushant murdered? In the midst of the full-on media assault on Rhea? And that’s the funny part, isn’t it? That it took 2 months for SSR’s family to come out and blame Rhea for his death? While in the meantime insisting he wasn’t depressed/have anxiety/ and of course, Rhea didn’t tell them. When those excuses fell apart like a house of cards, comes another set. In the meantime, KR, who seemingly can’t bear to have the limelight taken off her, comes up with new salvos – oh, drugs! Only she can help the Narcos division.
And if Bombay is such a cesspool of drugs and mafia and debauchery, why the hell does she want to come back to it?? But of course, she loves Maharashtra! She made Manikarnika. She’s been given Y security – for what?! Am I being cynical when I think she’s going to ride in on a BJP ticket for the next elections?
I can’t read the blasted news without seeing one headline with her name in it! So even if I want to sidestep the media circus around SSR’s death, there’s no way I can.
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Aman Basha
September 7, 2020
@Madan: You did say, “Make Rhea the scapegoat and you can save nepotism from the wrath of the public”. I was just giving an example of how even after the bizarre twists and turns with Rhea, the public is still angry at nepotism and undeserving star children. The dislikes of Khaali Peeli attest to that. I always thought Sadak 2 got hurt because of the Bhatts’ politics and their closeness to Rhea, but when Khaali Peeli gets the same dislike brigading, it does mean something. If even Coolie No1 gets disliked, the industry has lost itself an enormous amount of respect.
I don’t think anyone except some absolute conspiracy nut would even think the nepot gang killed him, there was a consensus that they hurt his opportunities, defamed him with false allegations and blinds, even Kangana, if I remember on Arnab’s, said they don’t kill you, they doom you by taking away your work and not giving enough respect to your talent. I did think it’s not Karan Johar or whoever Kangana named’s fault alone. But then I saw this tweet by Rohini Singh, a very respected journalist and she straight up named him:
This case coverage is just ridiculous, Republic and Kangana are polarising it to such extremes that people are being forced to take such opposite stands. This is exactly what happened in the case of Aarushi Talwar and again, it was of course Arnab who started it all because he wasn’t happy that NDTV got an interview with the mother.
There is a drug investigation going in Sandalwood too, as I said before, a top actress like Ragini Dwivedi was arrested, don’t think drugs were even found on her. Even Vivek Oberoi’s BIL, a JDU politician was arrested. The industry is maintaining exceptional dignity and silence on this, the media is behaving with dignity too. Here, everything is gone with the wind, no one’s giving a damn.
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Srinivas R
September 8, 2020
I think blame must be squarely placed on the audience for the ridiculous coverage of SSR’s death. People like the screaming games, the soap opera coverage. The crazy hounding of the security at Rhea’s building to discussions about black magic, they love it. This is the IPL of TV before the cricket IPL.
TRPs of all channels that provide a shrill coverage of this case has sky rocketed. Republic Bharath has gone from no. 5 to no.1 in TRP ranking in a matter of weeks. Now, it has reached a stage where even if a journalist believes that these are unethical, they cant stand up if they want to keep their job. We live in a demented society, we should focus on keeping our sanity intact.
On the nepo kids thing, the industry has still not learnt its lesson. Promotion of Ananya Pandey through what looks like paid SM handles is still on. Blind items about Karthik Aryan are still on. But boy the anger against ananya and nepo kids is real. It is across the idealogical spectrum and not driven by KR alone. Even if Aryan Khan gets launched now, he wont escape the wrath i guess.
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Madan
September 8, 2020
“I don’t think anyone except some absolute conspiracy nut would even think the nepot gang killed him” – I don’t agree. Now I don’t have the patience to listen to chudail’s wild rants but she did insinuate something more than defamation. And by the way, so did Sonu Nigam and so did some small time actor now running a gym whose videos theorizing why SSR didn’t die of suicide got popular. See, my problem is none of these people were on the scene of the crime so they don’t know, but they talk like they know and if you don’t believe them, you must be on the nepot brigade’s payroll.
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Madan
September 8, 2020
“We live in a demented society, we should focus on keeping our sanity intact.” – Howard Devoto sang the beautifully penned words, “Do you want the truth, or do you want your sanity” but in India, you can get neither. Yetho moondru vella soru, ambududhen.
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brangan
September 8, 2020
“The viewers, more often than not, hold the key to the choices news channels make and once again, they will have to choose what they want as news, coming into their homes every day.”
https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/armed-lakhs-new-viewers-tv-bosses-quell-internal-resistance-ssr-coverage-132527
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Madan
September 8, 2020
They have managed to get Rhea arrested in connection with drugs. Even possession of hard drugs would be enough to warrant an arrest. But as for murdering or conspiring to murder SSR? Nothing, not a word. And if NCB gets sole custody of her, it means this is going to be a drug case and not a homicide one. Just to produce some scant evidence to buttress Kangana’s PoK claims for those who need precious little persuasion to invest in wild theories. It’s entirely possible that NCB’s investigation will turn up something that eventually implicates Rhea in the murder itself but as of now, I take this as a hasty face saver by CBI and a desperate attempt to score brownie points over Mumbai police and the Maha govt. What happened to Sushant being murdered? Nation wants to know even if Arnab and Kangana don’t wanna know.
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Rahul
September 9, 2020
“The viewers, more often than not, hold the key to the choices news channels make and once again, they will have to choose what they want as news, coming into their homes every day”
Well, this is not a Utopian marketplace of ideas where everyone can compete. Just to give one example, where are these channels getting the whatsapp chat logs while the investigation is undergoing?
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Srinivas R
September 9, 2020
@Madan – Sandip Singh who was in the news earlier has been silently let off the hook after the discovery that he is the producer of NaMo biopic. No news chanel will talk abt him now. Never mind questions raised about his presence in the ambulance and mortuary that got a lot of air time earlier.
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rsylviana
September 9, 2020
I’m curious to know, how did we get here? I’m specifically asking about the news channels bringing in a minimum of 4 “subject matter experts” for every primetime news item and having a shouting match with them on a daily basis. Growing up, we only had DD whose telecasting model has more or less stayed the same. Even with the other channels , when we had a discussion regarding a specific piece it was usually just the anchor having a one-on-one interview with the expert or maximum 2 experts. But now all channels seem to have access to atleast 4 super-important specialists who weigh in on each and every news item and try to one up each other quickly. Atleast some of the channels are marginally quieter than the rest but the majority of them seem to be having aggressive debates for even the most insipid subjects. Is this a recent phenomenon or has it always been like this ?
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Aman Basha
September 9, 2020
About that “face theory” that BR sir used earlier while trying to explain the allure of Arjun Kapoor, I just found this article on the Eastern Eye:
https://www.easterneye.biz/nepotism-tornado-sweeps-bollywood/
The point I found most interesting in this article were as below:
“My realisation
THE nepotism debate raging online also made me realise how media have been duped by Bollywood to promote star kids ahead of outside talent, who have often been side-lined during publicity tours.
When Sushant Singh Rajput’s films Chhichhore and Kedarnath were released I was only given the option of interviewing his leading ladies Shraddha Kapoor and Sara Ali Khan, who are both star kids, but not him. I realised it has been a similar story when films featuring other star kids are released, which shows that nepotism stretches beyond casting and into marketing with Bollywood.”
Am not sure exactly how nepotism works in marketing but I do think Sara had more interviews during Kedarnath. Would be interesting if this corresponds with the marketing of other films featuring nepo-kids.
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Srinivas R
September 9, 2020
I think NDTV sort of had a discussion program apart from news. Vikram Chandra used to host it. I remember that as the starting point for this debate model of new show. I could be wrong. Also election news coverage always had a line up of experts.
This noisy debate items started gaing traction around the 2G scam time. Times Now was at the forefront of popularizing it and since that attracted lot of viewership, the other channels followed suit i guess.
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