(by Karthik Amarnath)
When I first saw the poster of Mani Ratnam’s next movie— the historical fiction Ponniyin Selvan— I was struck by the title. PS-I. For a moment, it sounded like a science thriller. Like the launch of a new PSLV satellite. I get it, it’s a “new-age” title, slapped on a literary classic, written three generations ago (and the story takes place thousand years before that). It’s a universal title, short and easy to remember, which I guess makes all sorts of commercial sense.

But die hard fans of the epic may not care much for all that. Many of them have waited a lifetime to see the books come alive— it’s more than fifty years since MGR first announced his intentions to adapt it to the screen. I’ll admit, I am a fan too. When I first read the novel, I was blown away by the exquisite detailing and evocative description of life in the Chola kingdom (which I hadn’t gotten from the VIII std history textbook or the Amar Chitra Katha comics I read till then). There was gripping storytelling full of mystery, intrigue and twists. And then there were the remarkable characters brought alive in a way only great writers are capable of doing. So I understand wanting to see all that through the teleportive magic of modern filmmaking.
But in a way, adapting a novel to a movie is also like a theft. Reading a novel, especially a five volume magnum opus like Ponniyin Selvan, is a long journey through a multi dimensional narrative hyperspace. Kalki Krishnamurthy’s masterful writing and the time you spend reading (it took me a year) lets you form strong connections to characters, and they don’t disappear from your mental universe just because you’re done reading. The intricacies of plot might get sucked into the black hole of lost memories, but the characters continue to show up now and then like they exist in some distant orbit, without faces or voices, as neuronal formations engineered by the mind’s eye. My mind’s eye. And now, the characters will be displaced by those imagined by the filmmakers’, shot in full glory on to the crystal clear cosmos that is the modern movie screen.
But I’ve been here many times before, as I imagine millions of others have. And I understand that the narrative gears driving a book and a movie can be quite different. A novel as intimately narrated as Ponniyin Selvan gives you a telescope that shows every crater, valley and mountain occupying its characters as they navigate the hyper-threaded plotlines. But Ponniyin Selvan also has a story that’s a heck of a yarn, as intricate as it is sprawling. So a movie can choose to level out its characters and still make for a riveting ride.
The question is how much room does commercial Tamil cinema have, especially one that’s made on a 500 cr. budget, for a ride that’s character driven? Tamil movies of that scale are designed to keep as many viewers engaged through the ride as can be, and characters that aren’t archetypes are at best couched on the backseat. An interesting counterpoint here is a movie like Mani Ratnam’s Kaatru Veliyidai, which despite zooming in on just two characters gave the feeling that much was left on paper than was shown on screen. Now, I liked the movie, but the criticism I heard repeatedly was that people couldn’t connect with the protagonist— an accusation we might never have heard in the pre Iruvar phase of Mani Ratnam’s career.
Mani Ratnam, though, has always been a filmmaker first. His writing is shaped by and shaped for the language of cinema. His mastery over the medium is such that complex characters come alive in a matter of moments. Like the terrorist-parent characters in Roja or Kannathil Muthamittal. I could write an entire essay about how and why those characters worked for me, but I’ll drop an easy reason here— casting. Nandita Das and Pankaj Kanpur are “character artistes” who you’d imagine just need a blank sheet of paper and the title of a movie to draw you inside a character.
Of course, Ponniyin Selvan isn’t a blank sheet of paper; it has in fact over 2000 pages of pointillistically precise prose (and some poetry too). And the title role will be played by Jayam Ravi, a “commercial actor” whose success is tied to “light” roles painted in broad strokes. I am not dissing Jayam Ravi’s talents here. I was entertained by Santhosh Subramaniam and Thani Oruvan as much as the person next to me. I can also see why he might be a good choice. He is a star, but one who doesn’t carry the kind of star baggage that a Vijay or Ajith does. And the character he needs to carry, Arulmozhi Varman, has very few shades of grey. But there are heavier roles in the film like the two fascinating female characters, Nandini (who’s played by Aishwarya Rai) and Poonguzhali (who’s played by Aishwarya Lekshmi), and I am intrigued to see how much of what I imagined survives.
I am a fan of Kalki Krishnamurthy’s writing as I am of Mani Ratnam’s filmmaking. The worlds they’ve designed and the experiences they’ve created are entertaining, exhilarating and enriching. But they also belong to different universes which I enter with different expectations. And now, they’re about to collide, thanks to PS-I, which takes off in a year, at a theatre nearby.
madhusudhan194
July 30, 2021
I hope Mani Ratnam is fully aware of the weight of expectations surrounding this film. You’re talking about many generations of avid readers and not just A-Center Mani Ratnam fanatics who are awaiting this film. Heck, even my parents are looking forward to it (the last MR film they watched was Thalapathy). And the budget it is being made on – somewhere i remember reading 800 crores (!). I am not a big fan of this truncated style of storytelling he’s followed in his last two films – you kept getting a sense that a lot of important pages from the script didn’t make it to the film. I hope he didn’t consider CCV’s success as a vindication of this kind of storytelling. If he does the same for Ponniyin Selvan, which as you said is so much about the characters and details, it could bomb big time. And if it bombs, it’s going to end careers.
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Anuja Chandramouli
July 31, 2021
I am dreading this!! When I heard MR was going to get his paws all over Kalki’s immortal epic, my head nearly exploded at the unpalatable thought. Once upon a time, MR made cinema that was decent but that was looooong ago. After fiascos like Kadal, Raavanan, Katru Veliyidai, Chekka Chivantha Vaanam etc. I am convinced he is completely out of ideas or anything resembling sense and is merely coasting on past glories.
Even the casting choices for his magnum opus make me wanna throw up! Jayam Ravi as Ponniyin Selvan (🤢), Aishwarya Rai, who can’t act if her life depended on it, as Nandini Devi (🤢🤢🤢)!!! It is going to be a disaster on an epic scale. It’s bad enough he butchered the Ramayana and Mahabharata, now he seeks to do the same with Kalki. Why can’t he just leave the classics alone and make yet another unwatchably bad love story or gangsta film? Damn the man!!
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Voldemort
July 31, 2021
Oh heavens no. Why does Mani Ratnam insist on working with a non-actor like Aishwariya Rai? Nandhini is not just gorgeous (which would explain the need for ARB), she is also scheming and manipulative, and ARB cannot act to save her life.
Looks like a major chunk of the budget is the salaries of the stars. Did they really need such a huge star cast? I am afraid I’ll give it a pass – do not want to see the great tale botched up by the likes of ARB, Jayam Ravi and Trisha.
A friend’s grandmother, who read it while it was being published in Kalki, had torn the pages of the magazine every week and bound it into a book. It’s a lovely illustrated book. Which leaves me thinking. Are there any successful magazines today which publish stories?
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MANK
July 31, 2021
Why can’t he just leave the classics alone and make yet another unwatchably bad love story or gangsta film? Damn the man!!
Anuja that had me ROFLing 🙂
Yes, Mani is embarking on telling such a sprawling and rich story when his storytelling powers seems to have totally deserted him. And yes, i just don’t understand his fascination with ARB. i mean she isn’t even a big star anymore. Like Kamal, i think Mani works with people he can control, rather than for their talent
Btw, i think the film’s budget quoted in the press is highly exaggerated. Remember when it was rumored that Raavanan was being made for 100 crores. In the end, i don’t think it cost even 50 crores, and even then it was a loss making proposition. So if someone is financing this film at 500 Cr. plus, then he needs to be committed to a mental asylum, that’s unless they have done some hot deal with an OTT platform.
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vijee
July 31, 2021
@voldemort — Thanks for sharing this. “A friend’s grandmother, who read it while it was being published in Kalki, had torn the pages of the magazine every week and bound it into a book. It’s a lovely illustrated book.” Are there any successful magazines today which publish stories?, you asked.
People said that Su. Venkatesan’s Vel Pari was good. It was serialized in the weekly magazine, Ananda Vikatan, for slightly over two years, perhaps the only work of fiction to go into more than 100 episodes, after Ponniyin Selvan. The narrative is based on a forgotten historical Sangam era figure King Pari (the same one who donated his chariot to the roadside creeper). The setting, the land where he ruled is rocky terrain, has some fantastic flora and fauna. The novel highlights a culture with a way of life, very different from the dominant one. It was a great premise and worked OK till a point, and limped to a sad finish in the end.
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Eswar
July 31, 2021
Ponniyin Selvan has definitely left an impact on its readers. My father read the book during his school days but still recollects it fondly. It was his go-to book during the lockdown. When I read Ponniyin Selvan twelve years ago, I was definitely in awe of the book, but over the years this awe factor has faded away for me. I still recommend Ponniyin Selvan for friends and family, but only as an entry-level book to introduce reading in Tamil.
Writer Jeyamohan, in answering a reader’s question – “Whether literary works can be narrated as stories?”, points out that when a literary work takes on a different format, it needs to be transformed to suit the new format. However, this transformation doesn’t diminish the original work. He also points out that these adaptations are required as classics should also reach other parts of society.
I have pasted the relevant portion here, but I recommend reading the complete answer.
இலக்கியவாசகர் அல்லாதவரையும் செவ்வியல் படைப்புக்கள் சென்றடையவேண்டும் என்பது பண்பாட்டியக்கத்தின் தேவை. அந்நிலையிலேயே அச்சமூகத்தின்மேல் அப்படைப்புக்களின் செல்வாக்கு உறுதிப்படுகிறது. அச்செல்வாக்கு நேரடியானதாக இருக்கவேண்டும் என்பதில்லை. பலமுறை சொல்லப்பட்டு, மருவி, சுருங்கி, ஒரு படிமம் மட்டுமே என்றாகிக்கூட அது அனைவரையும் சென்றடையலாம். செவ்வியல் படைப்பு அந்நிலையிலே கூட தன் பாதிப்பை நிகழ்த்தும்
குழந்தைக்கதையாகவோ திரைப்படமாகவோ ஆகும்போது மூலப்படைப்பு அவ்வடிவங்களுக்கு ஏற்ப குறைவுபடுகிறது அல்லது உருமாறுகிறது. ஆனால் அது அப்படைப்பு சிதைவடைவது அல்ல.அந்த மாற்றம் என்பது அப்படைப்பின் அழிவும் அல்ல. உண்மையில் அதன் பெருக்கம்தான் அது.
இலக்கியப் படைப்புக்களின் இலக்கியவடிவம் அந்த படைப்புக்களில், மொழிவடிவில்,மட்டுமே இருக்கும். நிகழ்த்துகலையாக அவற்றின் வடிவம் மாறுபடும். சொல்லும்போது இன்னொருவகை மாற்றத்தை அடையும்.சினிமாவில் இன்னொருவகை மாற்றம் வந்தமையும். இக்கலைவடிவங்கள் சில புதிய இயல்புகளை அப்படைப்புக்கு அளிக்கும். அப்படைப்பின் மொழிவடிவிலுள்ள சிலவற்றை இல்லாமலும் ஆக்கும்.
பொதுவாக கலைகளுக்குள் உள்ள இந்த வேறுபாட்டை உணராதவர்களே சினிமாவைப்பார்த்ததும் ‘நாவலைக் கொன்னுட்டான்’ என்பார்கள். கதைசொல்லி சொல்லிக்கேட்கையில் ‘கதை இப்டி இல்லை, சிதைச்சுட்டான்’ என்பார்கள். எந்த அம்சம் கூடுதலாகச் சேர்ந்துள்ளது, எதனால் அது அப்படி ஆகிறது என்பதே கலையின் நெறிகளை அறிந்தோர் உசாவவேண்டியது.
லே மிசரபிள்ஸ் பலமுறை படமாகியிருக்கிறது. தல்ஸ்தோயின் போரும் அமைதியும் தஸ்தயேவ்ஸ்கியின் கரமசோவ் சகோதரர்கள் போன்ற நாவல்கள் திரைவடிவில் பெரும்பாலும் வெற்றிபெறவில்லை. ஆனால் லே மிசரபிள்ஸ் பெரும்பாலும் வெற்றிபெற்றிருக்கிறது. போரும் அமைதியும், கரமசோவ் சகோதரர்கள் போன்றவை விவாதத்தன்மை கொண்ட நாவல்கள், லே மிசரபிள்ஸ் நிகழ்ச்சிகள் மற்றுக் கதைமாந்தரை அடிப்படையாகக் கொண்ட நாவல் என்பது அதற்குக் காரணமாக சுட்டப்படுகிறது
ஆனாலும் லே மிசரபிள்ஸ் உட்பட எல்லா நாவல்களும் படமாக்கப்பட்டபோது சரிந்துவிட்டன என்பவர்கள் உண்டு. அவர்களில் முதன்மையான விமர்சகர்களும் உண்டு. ஆனால் ஒரு விமர்சகர் ஒருமுறை சுட்டிக்காட்டியதே என் நினைவில் நிற்கிறது. திரைவடிவமாக நாவல் வெல்கிறதா இல்லையா என்பது முக்கியமல்ல, அதன்பின் அந்நாவல் வாசகன் மனதில் காட்சியாகும்போது அதில் அந்தத் திரைவடிவத்தின் நேரடியான செல்வாக்கு உள்ளது. அதுவே முக்கியமானது.
https://www.jeyamohan.in/139424/
I think Maniratnam’s PS1 should be assessed as an independent work of its own, following the merits of its medium and not whether it has justified Kalki’s story and characters.
Jeyamohan about writing for PS1:
https://www.jeyamohan.in/150019/
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Eswar
July 31, 2021
Voldemort: I am not sure about print magazines, but I am aware of few online magazines which publish a wide range of content.
https://kanali.in/
https://solvanam.com/
https://vallinam.com.my/version2/
https://aroo.space/
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Aman Basha
July 31, 2021
No way the two films’ budget is more than 300 crore. Most actors take a pay cut for this sort of project.
Also, Mani may not be what he was, but for a filmmaker in decline, he still has the sharp instinct for a hit. He gets a hit whenever he needs one, as if by magic. Which other filmmaker in decline can do that? He’ll manage just fine, unless Vikram’s bad luck charm messes it up badly.
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Anuja Chandramouli
July 31, 2021
‘So if someone is financing this film at 500 Cr. plus, then he needs to be committed to a mental asylum,’
Bang on MANK! And thank you!!
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vijee
July 31, 2021
@eswar “When I read Ponniyin Selvan twelve years ago, I was definitely in awe of the book, but over the years this awe factor has faded away for me. I still recommend Ponniyin Selvan for friends and family, but only as an entry-level book to introduce reading in Tamil.” — same same for me…
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vijee
July 31, 2021
@eswar Tangential but I liked this article about contemporary Tamil writers and it calls your Jeymohan, J Mohan which kind of annoyed me. Is the writer wrong or am I wrong?
https://fountainink.in/reportage/a-writers-road
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madhusudhan194
August 1, 2021
“Also, Mani may not be what he was, but for a filmmaker in decline, he still has the sharp instinct for a hit. ” – Absolutely. I think it’s stupid and amateurish to write him off. As many problems I had with KV and CCV, there were some stunning scenes in both films that I know I won’t get from another filmmaker. And it makes me think that it’s just a matter of time before he gets it fully right again, like he did in Ok kanmani (at least IMO). I am equally excited and scared for Ponniyin Selvan and I hope he gets it right.
“he butchered the Ramayana and Mahabharata” – This is amusing. So when you watch Thalapathi, are you thinking “okay so how is MR retelling Mahabharata (although IMO Thalapathi was far from a retelling)” or “how is this film working for me”? My knowledge of Mahabharata is despicable but the film works brilliantly for me even today. I’ve been watching it from the time I was a kid.
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Karthik
August 1, 2021
he is completely out of ideas or anything resembling sense and is merely coasting on past glories
Yes, Mani is embarking on telling such a sprawling and rich story when his storytelling powers seems to have totally deserted him.
I am not able to buy that his “storytelling” powers are on the decline. I see his recent work as him getting way more experimental than the space he wants to operate in can accord (and I agree to an extent, Anuja, that his past glories have given him that cushion to experiment). With something like OKK, it had far less of the experimentation, and I didnt find much wrong in the “telling”, just that I couldn’t fully buy in to the central conflict. I never once felt that those two would ever throw their relationship for their career.
OTOH, if you take Kadal, Raavanan & KV (his three big commercial failures), they all zoomed in on atypical character arcs and he didn’t do it convincingly in the mainstream space. For one, if you’re going to tell me a story about a boy who is a puppy in front of his girl, and then goes on to plasticwrap a man’s face, shoot the back of his head, and then end up with an epiphany about divine forgiveness when losing that girl, all in 2 hrs, you need seasoned actors who have soaked themselves in character roles, not fresh off the bathwater offsprings. And you cant always have beautifully shot song and dance bits to aid that narrative. Those I see as unsuccessful commercial choices. (Most of the songs in KV worked for me though).
In Ponniyin Selvan, there are very interesting characters but they dont transform as much, and so, in that sense it still fits into the mainstream storytelling space.
Eswar: Thanks for the link to Jeyamohan’s PS1 write up. That was interesting to read. The image of Jeyamohan sitting in front of a computer in that location pretty much captures the core theme of adapting the novel for today’s audience. 😀
By the way,
I think Maniratnam’s PS1 should be assessed as an independent work of its own, following the merits of its medium and not whether it has justified Kalki’s story and characters.
is a neat one sentence repudiation of what I tried to tell in a thousand words. 😉
I hope he didn’t consider CCV’s success as a vindication of this kind of storytelling.
The success of CCV is actually very interesting, and might make for a great case study of audience expectations today. The movie hardly gave time or space to connect with any of the characters— there’s not much by way of plot, and no “hero” so to speak. And yet it was more successful than a Vadachennai or an Asuran.
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Satya
August 1, 2021
I don’t know much about Ponniyin Selvan to comment, but going by the sheer volume of the novel, I am afraid if fans would be okay with the film adaptation anyday. I mean, look at the Harry Potter franchise. The Half Blood Prince, which I liked as a film, was bashed left right and center by the book fans (I don’t think they were happy with any film apart from the first two). I read the book, and realised it was practically impossible to fit such a long, sprawling narrative into a film by including everything. But their criticisms are justified too.
The point I am trying to make is, for me, a stranger, PS 1 will work as a film if well told. But, for the Tamil audience who grew reading to and listening to this epic novel, will it be the same?
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ravenus1
August 1, 2021
I have long since learned not to be dogmatic about how a film adaptation compares to a source literary work. I enjoyed Guy Ritchie’s Sherlock Holmes movies purely as Victorian era buddy action movies, even as they veered completely away from the Arthur Conan Doyle canon.
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YAML92
August 1, 2021
One aspect I keep in mind is that Mani Ratnam is said to have begun work on Ponniyin Selvan way back in the late 80s after he finished Nayagan… so I hope if the screenplay’s core is still kept intact since he began writing, we would get to see some solid filmmaking (just based on the fact that he was in a better “form” back in the late 80s compared to the current period).
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Eswar
August 1, 2021
vijee: Thanks for that link. I think they have got at least three names incorrect.
Jeyamohan -> J Mohan
Sundara Ramaswamy -> Sundarramaswamy
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Eswar
August 1, 2021
Ah! I pressed enter too early in my previous comment. I am sorry.
vijee: Thanks for that link. I think they have got at least three names incorrect.
Jeyamohan -> J Mohan
Sundara Ramaswamy -> Sundarramaswamy
Jayakanthan -> Jayakantan
Probably, they wanted to stress the state of Tamil writers :). The part about the monetization of the works of Tamil writers reflects what I have read elsewhere. S.Ramakrishnan never misses an opportunity to thank his wife and family members for their support. Jeyamohan has mentioned that the work he does for movies pays many times more than his earnings as a writer.
Writer Abilash’s point about a writer’s place in Cinema is relevant. An understanding of what exactly a writer’s role is in movies probably helps. In an interview with Pattimandram fame Raja and Barathi Baskar, Jeyamohan talks about his role as a writer in Cinema. It is interesting to listen to how someone who is proven and influential in their field playing a relatively minor role in a different field.
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San
August 1, 2021
“he butchered the Ramayana and Mahabharata”
Thalapathi was a great movie and something I really enjoyed and saw it few years and still like it. So I am not sure what the Mahabharata comment…
Raavanan I did not like.
However I do really have mixed feeling about Maniratnam directing this movie as well. I think he has lost his touch and casting ARB does not sounds good at all.
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vijee
August 1, 2021
@Anuja Chandramouli completely unrelated to any of this. Have you written a short short which is part of the anthology “Madras on My Mind.”
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vijee
August 1, 2021
@Eswar Probably, they wanted to stress the state of Tamil writers :). That is funny! The writer is a speaker of Tamil — so that is really surprising. The Raja-Bharathy interview with Jeyamohan was very interesting. Thanks for that link. (I didn’t know Theodor Baskaran, when he was Post Master General, helped Jeyamohan get a transfer, so he could write more…. )
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Anuja Chandramouli
August 1, 2021
@Anuja Chandramouli completely unrelated to any of this. Have you written a short short which is part of the anthology “Madras on My Mind.”
Vijee: Yasss!!
And for those who were wondering, Thalapathi did not work for me at all (unpopular opinion alert!). On any level. But I am biased. I adore the Mahabharata so I am an unduly harsh critic. The Ramayana bugs me big time but I loathed Raavanan even more sooo… And I hated Nayakan and think it is the most overrated film of all time. My fave Mani films would be Anjali, Bombay and Alaipayuthe. These were the only films of his that were good from start to finish. The rest work only in bits and pieces (Aayutha Ezhuthu, Mouna Ragam, Agni Natchitharam) and practically all his recent films don’t work at all. Such half – assed work he has been doing. But he has a gift for whipping up interest in his lame projects.
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Anand Raghavan
August 2, 2021
The problem in front of PS is multi-fold, People who have read it won’t easily be satisfied by the visuals even if it’s from a director whose frames are magical ,as Kalki’s exquisite narration has already given life to the characters and places in their mind
For those who haven’t read it, there would be inevitable comparison against benchmark set by BB1&2. There is a strong belief that MR can’t match the style and grandeur of BB. It might work as a character drama which is MR strong point but again the sprawl and scale are far higher which may not be favourable to him. And a 2 part movie at max 6 hours, it would need a strong scriptwriter who would be able to condense it and still not miss any key plot or character. But in the movie format, it should be judged for the cinematic art form and not from the novel standpoint. In a way good that expectations from MR is low and
hoping that we are all pleasantly surprised by him.
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Anand Raghavan
August 2, 2021
Anuja, Interesting to know about your take on some of Mani films. Any reason why you feel Nayakan is over rated? Wasn’t the narration , making , staging and production values top notch for Indian films of those times? And Mani was considered to be pioneer in bringing those to the fore in indian mainstream cinema which until then had a very few directors who considered cinema as visual medium. Also what’s your thought on Iruvar and Kannathil Muthamittal, the two considered his finest.
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shaviswa
August 2, 2021
IMO Mani Ratnam missed a trick by making PS into a movie. He could have explored the webseries format that will allow him to accommodate all the character arcs well. And given the appetite Amazon or Netflix have, a Mani Ratnam helmed webseries would have been grabbed with both arms.
For people who liked Thalapathy – I am still trying to figure out how Mani Ratnam can make a movie where Surya insists to Deva that he would give his life away for him throughout the film – and then finally watches Deva die in front of his eyes. If there is a shoddier climax than this, please let me know.
And on Raavanan, it is better not to even delve into it. Hopeless!
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shaviswa
August 3, 2021
@Anand Raghavan
When Nayagan was released, it was definitely a trend setter. Despite the producer of the film not having the vision that Mani Ratnam and Kamal had, and cringing on the budget, the film had excellent production values (for that time). PC Sriram’s cinematography made the film a visual delight. Ilaiyaraja’s BGM and songs were special. The acting top notch (by and large except for a few scenes).
But I felt that the film kind of rushed through many parts of the plot. Quite naturally – since it was trying to compress the content that the Godfather had in 2 parts into one. And that was where it fell short of being a great movie.
And today when I see the movie, I still like it. But I find the Tinnu Anand “mera baba mar gaya” role quite cringe-worthy. 🙂
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shaviswa
August 3, 2021
@Anand Raghavan
Iruvar suffered from the fact that Mani Ratnam did not have the freedom to write it the way he would have wanted to. Just an example – if you had watched Gautam Menon’s Queen – MGR in that webseries was shown as a wily, crafty and scheming man. You can actually see how he manipulates Jaya (with her mother tacitly approving it). It did not create even a ripple.
But had the same webseries been made in the mid 90s, it would not have been even completed. Mani Ratnam’s Iruvar had to compromise a lot to make both the MGR and Karunanidhi camps happy. A lot of their scheming moves were camouflaged into being idealistic manoeuvres. I am sure a lot more would have been left on the writing table as well as on the editing table. As a result, Iruvar felt very incomplete….
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Anand Raghavan
August 3, 2021
@shaviswa I could relate to Iruvar not being complete and the muted dialogues filled by ARRs RR at many places supports that argument. Still one felt he was on top of his craft, in fact beyond what he had shown before. His making style changed from Iruvar but many fans of his pre-Iruvar work were disappointed. But his trapeze act of balancing mainstream and art seem to be getting more challenging ever since.
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Madan
August 3, 2021
” MGR in that webseries was shown as a wily, crafty and scheming man. You can actually see how he manipulates Jaya (with her mother tacitly approving it). It did not create even a ripple.” – If anything, people, self included, were disappointed it didn’t go far enough. But that was for the same reason. That had he gone any further, it would have indeed triggered uproar. But I agree completely that he wouldn’t have been able to show half as much in the 90s.
Another thing is the framing. The GVM series is about Jayalalitha (who in any case is a much more interesting character than MGR regardless of whether or not she was more corrupt or evil) so we see MGR through her viewpoint. This creates a much more interesting dynamic than Iruvar which was mainly about MGR and thereafter could not escape the hagiographic trap. Mani made the same mistake in Nayagan and Guru. It is much more interesting to invent a combative adversary who has a ring side view to the don (Nayagan) or the tycoon (Guru). Or to unabashedly show the full extent of amorality or greed (as Hansal Mehta did in Scam 1992 when he depicted Harshad Mehta). Again, Mehta gave a lot of screen time to the Sucheta Dalal character so we see her point of view as a journalist uncovering a financial scam and not just Harshad being greedy and then trying to transfer the blame to the ‘system’.
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Madan
August 3, 2021
“Wasn’t the narration , making , staging and production values top notch for Indian films of those times?” – Wasn’t addressed to me but I have a viewpoint about this so will bite.
I think the problem also is Mani overrates himself as a scriptwriter. I think many of his films, including Nayagan, would fare better had he simply given his outline (or written it as a story) and then handed it over to a good screenplay writer. There are always gaps or unsatisfying aspects about the development of characters, particularly main characters at that, in his films and this mars the impact created by how beautifully he shoots his films. Maybe not all but certainly in all of the ones she mentioned. I was not satisfied with Alai Payuthe either though, again, it was a very beautiful film to WATCH.
I actually don’t mind Agni Natchatram so much because at least its premise is a lot less ambitious than his other much celebrated films and it is very much trying to be a stylish, unabashedly glamorous and commercial film with thriller and action elements, an endeavour in which it largely succeeds. Combined with an absolute dynamite Raja album as well as unforgettable BGM motifs, it delivers the most bang for buck of all the Mani films I have watched and one of the few of his that doesn’t drag or labour in places.
I have also discussed earlier the difference in perspective when it comes to how a Tamil audience would have regarded Nayagan v/s an audience that has seen Hindi films. Because the angry young man theme had nearly run its course in Hindi by the time Nayagan came along, it just didn’t have the same novelty value it would have had in Tamil where so few of those films had been made, if any. I mean I guess you could kind of call Mr Bharat an angry young man film but it didn’t even try to be a match for Trishul. And if you are – an admittedly biased – Amitabh Bachchan fan like me, it becomes difficult not to compare and contrast the effortless intensity he projected in those roles with Kamal’s laboured albeit immaculate delivery in Nayagan. AnJo made the same point in the Dilip Kumar thread and I agree. I would have probably liked Nayagan more with Rajni playing the lead and he did acquit himself well in Dhalapathi imo.
I also think Salim Javed and Yash Chopra were ahead of the curve and moved to where Scorsese and DePalma were going to anyway with the gangster films, preferring a more rugged aesthetic that didn’t look like an operatic enactment of a gangster’s life. Nayagan felt like a revival of what FFC had already done with Godfather with every scene composed as lovingly as a portrait. It has its own value I suppose but it’s a bit like Santosh Narayanan composing jazz songs in the 2010s. Yeah, it’s new for Tamil but we have had nearly a century of jazz music at this point so it’s less interesting from a larger perspective.
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gnanaozhi
August 3, 2021
Am just gobsmacked that informed movie aficionados in this forum think CCV was good.
No disrespect meant to anyone who likes / liked it (taste is subjective after all), but by god was that movie in tolerable.
Had loop holes you could drive a nuclear powered carrier through, the story was lame af to begin with and except for the odd song the movie was utter trash Imo.
I absolutely totally love Kalki, Ponniyin Selvan, Sivakamiyin Sabadam are top notch historical fiction. I rate them on par with the masters of Rome series by Colleen Mccolough (sp?) in historical fiction. They are dense, layered complex worlds but structured around a real historical narrative. It needs someone like a Rajamouli to carry it off, or even MR of his pre 2,005ish form when he was still a brilliant filmmaker. He is now a wannabe poser who is the ARB of directors. I doubt he can make a decent movie even if his life depended on it.
That said I will still watch it on day 1 (if theatrical launch) and the same hour it pops in an ott, will watch it with an open mind but not veg hopeful.
And seriously, ARB can only be cast as a mannequin, that’s her entire acting range. Mike Mohan had a better repotire of skills. ARB is like if Salil Ankola somehow made it big and played in a 100 tests.
Anuja out of curiosity why dont you like the Ramayana?
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Anuja Chandramouli
August 3, 2021
Anuja, Interesting to know about your take on some of Mani films. Any reason why you feel Nayakan is over rated? Wasn’t the narration , making , staging and production values top notch for Indian films of those times? And Mani was considered to be pioneer in bringing those to the fore in indian mainstream cinema which until then had a very few directors who considered cinema as visual medium. Also what’s your thought on Iruvar and Kannathil Muthamittal, the two considered his finest.
Anand Raghavan: To answer your question reg. Nayakan and Iruvar, I am not going to dispute that he knows his craft. But that aside, his narrative arcs are not very satisfying for me personally. He always chooses bold subjects that call for gumption when it comes to going all the way and he always chickens out. Always! It is very frustrating. And people say he wasn’t given the freedom to make the kinda film he wanted to or make some excuse or the other. Who cares? If the film isn’t good enough, it isn’t. Period. Barathiraja Balu Mahendra and Balachandra did gutsy work before his time without getting cold feet. So I don’t get why MR should be given a pass just for attempting something risky even if it is spectacularly unsuccessful.
With a character like Velu Nayakan, you don’t feel like it is a definitive portrait of a man or a gangster. And I felt Kamal Hasan looked a little too well groomed and neatly turned out in the early portions and he didn’t come across as someone who would get his hands dirty, reluctantly or otherwise. And I never have patience for his exaggerated, affected mannerisms. Not a single scene delves deeply into who he is or the circumstances that make him who he is. Saranya is there for a coupla scenes and a song before she kicks the bucket. Nizhalgal Ravi gets even less screen time. So I didn’t really feel the impact when they met their ends. Finally, it had nothing on Godfather, the movie which in turn was outclassed by Mario Puzo’s book. I know, not many would agree with any of this and that is fine. This is only my opinion and I am sticking to it.
As for Thalapathy, people blamed Rajini’s superstar image and all, but I thought it was a failure in the scripting stage itself. You can say the same for many other films in his oeuvre including Kannathil Muthamittal. The guy can’t write worth a damn though his ideas are arresting. MR gives the impression of being bold and subversive but pussyfoots his way across the material and it is hard to respect such wussiness. His work seeks to give the impression of depth merely to camouflage the staggering levels of superficiality. Even something like Roja, Dil Se which has cute scenes with Aravind Swamy and Madhoo, SRK and Preeti and Manisha is just plain embarassing when it handles heavier fare like patriotism and terrorism. At his best, RGV atleast has what it takes to stick to his vision, which is why I would rank his Satya, Rakta Charitra, waaay higher than Nayakan or Thalapathy.
Funnily enough I was a huge MR fan back in the day. Guess hell hath no fury like a former fan who has been frustrated once too often.
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madhusudhan194
August 3, 2021
“As for Thalapathy, people blamed Rajini’s superstar image and all, but I thought it was a failure in the scripting stage itself. You can say the same for many other films in his oeuvre including Kannathil Muthamittal.” – It’s like we have watched two different versions of these films.
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Madan
August 3, 2021
” ARB is like if Salil Ankola somehow made it big and played in a 100 tests.” – Hahahahaha! Man, what a comparison! I do shudder to think if it had happened. I will add one more name to these ‘golden’ memories of the 90s – Paras Mhambrey. Actually one more – Harvinder Singh. Dude used to open the bowling along with Sourav Ganguly when Srinath was unavailable. Let. That. Sink. In.
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vijee
August 3, 2021
Nizhalgal Ravi gets even less screen time — That is just being kind to the audience I would think…. He is grown up and so he can eat “paan” with his dad. Geez!
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Madan
August 4, 2021
” Finally, it had nothing on Godfather, the movie which in turn was outclassed by Mario Puzo’s book.” – Yeah, I do not know how anyone who has read the Puzo novel can think the movie matches up to it (but everyone has their opinions) and frankly Brando’s characterization of Vito feels a bit overwrought compared to the Vito of the book. That said, it is still a classic but then it has lines like “it’s not personal, it’s business” as opposed to the whiny “avanna nidutha sollu, naan nidutharen” monologue of Nayagan. Mani goes down that self-justification road again in Guru and it’s both annoying and uncomfortable because it nearly crosses over into glorifying and condoning their acts. I would say not even nearly in the case of Guru, it does pretty much exonerate Ambani.
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Anand Raghavan
August 4, 2021
@Madan : Yes Mani Ratnam’s script writing seem to be pulling down his legacy as a film maker. With Sujatha as dialogue writer,, some of his movies had sharp dialogues but now that too has come down a notch.
@Anuja : From MR fan girl to harsh critic, that’s quite a character arc :). The points that you have mentioned corroborates the argument that Mani Ratnam, with arresting ideas and cinema craft would be better to focus on direction leaving screenplay to someone else. Hope Jeyamohan’s script is adapted well to the screen.
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Aman Basha
August 4, 2021
I think this is the first look of the characters from this film, tried reading the novel synopsis on wiki and simply gave up, it seems too complicated to fit in a feature length film, web series could have been a better choice.
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Satya
August 4, 2021
Aman: I am listening to audiobook of the Telugu translation, and I too am beginning to think on the same lines. About to finish the first volume.
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Yajiv
August 5, 2021
What’s powering the “1” in Mafia: Chapter… I mean, Ponniyin Selvan 1? If, God forbid, this movie bombs in the BO will there be a Ponniyin Selvan 2? I guess the naming convention is just a wishful thinking/best case scenario approach?
BTW, I completely concur with most of the commentators here. It’s going to be a mammoth feat condensing this tome of a text into two feature-length films. I have serious doubts if Mani is up for the task. CCV was the last time he compressed (what I felt was) a web series length storyline into a film, and that was hot garbage. And Ponniyin Selvan is a far longer and denser storyline than that messy gangster family flick. Only time will tell if this attempt will succeed.
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Vishnu
August 5, 2021
Mani has been directing films for almost forty years now and is in his late 60s. The guy still makes competent films which are way better and progressive than the average tamil films is a feat in it self. Other directors of his generation had mostly gone out of business , a long back.
I always felt, the commenters in blog have the habit of nitpicking faults in his films.
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vijee
August 5, 2021
Do you guy’s remember that “Mani Ratnam bhi chalega?” dialogue in Maqbool. It has really come to that now. sirf chalega…
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Eswar
August 8, 2021
Apologies. The text is in Tamil.
https://www.jeyamohan.in/151142/
ஒரு வரலாற்று ஆய்வேடு அல்லது ஆவணப்படம் வழியாக ராஜராஜசோழனையும் சோழப்பேரரசையும் இந்தியாவெங்கும் மக்களிடையே கொண்டுசெல்லமுடியாது. ஓர் பண்பாட்டு அடையாளமாக நிலைநாட்டவும் முடியாது. பலகோடிப்பேர் பார்க்கும் ஒரு வணிகப்பெரும்சினிமாவாலேயே அதற்கு இயலும். பொன்னியின்செல்வன் அத்தகைய கதை. அது குழந்தைகளுக்குரிய உற்சாகமான சாகச உலகமும், மர்மங்களும், உணர்ச்சிகரமான நாடகத்தருணங்களும் வரலாற்றுப்பின்புலமும் கலந்த ஒரு கதை. அந்த கலவை வெகுஜனங்களுக்குரியது. ஆகவே பொன்னியின்செல்வன் எடுக்கப்படுகிறது.
…நாடகத்தனம், நிறைய அடுக்கு வசனங்கள் கொண்ட வழக்கமான சரித்திரசினிமா அல்ல. காட்சிவிரிவு மேலோங்கிய சினிமா. நாவலின் காட்சிப்படுத்தல் அல்ல சினிமா என்பதை நாம் புரிந்துகொள்ளவேண்டும். சினிமா தனக்குரிய அழகியல் கொண்ட ஒரு தனிக்கலை. சினிமா எதையும் சுருக்கி, காட்சிவழியாகவே சொல்லும்.
பொன்னியின் செல்வனின் நடிகர்கள் பற்றி வரும் செய்திகள் ஏறத்தாழ உண்மை. ஆனால் அவர்களின் தோற்றம் ஆனந்தவிகடனால் வரையப்பட்டது.
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Satya
July 31, 2022
In a recent interview with Rajeev Masand for Netflix with Joe and Anthony Russo, SS Rajamouli said that he did want to make a web series on Ponniyin Selvan for a long time before RRR, saying it is “the perfect way to tell that particular story”.
I wonder whom he would have cast for Nandini though, given how she is arguably the most dramatic character in this novel.
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vijay
August 1, 2022
the first song is out and pretty meh in my view. Hope this is not how the other songs fare..Rahman’s voice sounds just odd for this kind of /song/movie..
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MANK
August 1, 2022
Agreed Vijay. the song is underwhelming and Rahman’s voice feels very out of place. I hope the rest of the songs are better
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therag
August 1, 2022
@vijay, @MANK, really? I love the song. Very catchy with some very interesting arrangements. AR’s voice took a little getting used to but it fits very well with the chorus. Big thumbs up from me.
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therag
August 1, 2022
I’ve not read this thread before and looks like there has been some discussion about Ponniyin Selvan needing a web-series due to its density.
I am currently about halfway through the series and I’d argue to the contrary.
Don’t get me wrong, Ponniyin Selvan would make an amazing TV show, but not because of its density or plot. It is not as dense as its length suggests. People who’ve read the novel (or at least some parts of it as I have) will recognise the regular snippets of Tamil history. The fallen kingdoms, kings, old rivers, Hindu history etc. They occupy a pretty non-trivial portion of the book.
Also, because the book was originally serialized in the 50s, Kalki takes pains to repeat information from time to time, which I’m sure would not have been done if the book had come out as a novel.
This is the 11th century we are talking about and there ain’t no dragons in the Chola kingdom. There’s a lot of people traveling by foot or horse, conversations where one person is staring intently at the other to see if truth is being spoke, Thevarams being sung and different cities (now towns or villages) of Tamil Nadu being visited. I take it people will not exactly be clamouring to see the protagonist go to Pazhaiyarai or Pazhuvoor no matter how important it was 1000 years ago, or for that matter sing a “Sotrunai Vedhiyan”. Ponniyin Selvan is steeped in the Tamil culture of that time, and while one could argue achieving the same level of immersion requires a TV show, there wouldn’t be many takers for something like that today. If that is what you are looking for, I’d direct you to the Tamil films made from the 1940s-60s.
Both from a commercial and a cinematic point of view, I think adapting it as a 2-part film was the right decision. There will be omissions as there always is, but can the story of Ponniyin Selvan be convered satisfactorily in two movies or about 5 hours of film, give or take? Yes, absolutely.
Maybe if this works out big time, some characters might get spin-off TV shows.
P.S (no pun intended), please don’t share any spoilers if you’ve read the entire series.
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Srinivas R
August 2, 2022
I think Ponniyin Selvan will be a reasonable hit in Tamil at least. There is enough FOMO for people to watch it once atleast. Everyone who has read the book wants to watch it, people who haven’t read it are curious abtbit. Unless the initial reviews are terrible, expect the movie to have a decent run. CCV also had a similar clear run for a week during holidays. ok movie + FOMO for a week + well planned promos = hit movie in TN. Same thing played out for Vikram as well.
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Nappinai (@Nappinai2)
September 7, 2022
PS-1 trailer has released and I do hope to catch this film on the big screen! I love the books, the history and the director. There’s no way I am missing this 🙂
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Srinivas R
September 7, 2022
Really liked the Ponniyin Selvan trailer. Also like the new songs – Alaikadal, Sol, Ratchasa Mamaney better the the first 2 songs. Looking forward to the film now.
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lurker
September 7, 2022
I was so looking forward to Rahman’s composition of ‘Alaikadakum oynthirukka…’ Too bad they changed the lyrics from the book’s, though the song itself is wonderful.
There also seem to be some more changes in the screenplay, likely to give the main leads more screen time. Overall pretty hyped for the movie, can’t wait for Sep 30!
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