(by G Waugh)
The United States of America dropped two powerful bombs – one at Hiroshima and one at Nagasaki in August 1945. They were the first nuclear bombs in the world to be dropped upon human beings and Japan, as a result was forced to surrender instantly. Newspapers all over the world hailed the victory of the US as the victory of liberalism over Fascism.
A similar incident happened in Berlin. The Soviets surrounded the capital of Nazi Germany and the greatest dictator of the last century shot himself in the head as a quick way to instant death. Soviet newspapers and left-wing journals all over the world celebrated the victory as the rightful victory of socialism over Fascism.
The world it was believed, which had hitherto been corrupted by the disease of Fascism had been set right once again and, as a symbol of victory of civilization over barbarism, the United Nations Organizationwas born in 1945 with the blessings of ‘freedom-loving’ countries. The pestilence of Fascism which was born a couple of decades ago in a small country as Italy that massacred innocent people, stole their possessions, tore their families apart and brought unimaginable economic ruin had finally, to everyone’s relief been completely exterminated. The world as a result, was once again restored to operate on principles of justice, love and freedom from which it had deviated for only a minor unfortunate interval.
This was, if anything the only universally accepted belief of the last century. People who had hitherto been instructed or trained to look at history and their contemporary lives through the prisms of morality and justice felt their beliefs and judgments vindicated at the defeat of Fascism. Everyone believed that the end of Fascism was quite preordained and when it happened finally, the victory achieved by the side that had held the higher moral ground was sufficient proof to validate their long-held convictions.
But can any one of us spot the flaw in this widely shared argument? If the pandemic of Fascism had successfully been eradicated once and for all from the face of the Earth at the end of the Second World War, how come did it revive itself to haunt masses of quite different nationalities in say Sri Lanka, until very recently? How come Fascists of quite different shades loom all over Islamic countries today under banners of militant organizations and continue to present a formidable threat to international peace and stability? Why is the infallible moral compass of the world suddenly nowhere to be found?
To answer this question, a minor rewind of last century’s aforementioned historical events may be necessary. When Fascist Japan was subjected to a nuclear attack by the liberal United States and when the former surrendered, wasn’t it in real terms, a victory for the most developed weapons of the world made by America over lesser ones used by Japan? Going by the same logic, wasn’t Soviet victory over Nazi Germany nothing more than a victory of the former’s superior military tactics and commitment to fight rather than a historically predetermined victory of the Good over the Bad?
While we study the historic clashes of the last century through this angle, why is it difficult to find at least a semblance of the influence of conflicting ideologies that were actually supposed to be driving and dictating them? If the ‘Enlightenment’ values of Liberty, Equality and Fraternity inherently bore the potential to vanquish threats arising in the form of Fascism, why was a nuclear bomb needed in the first place, to demonstrate it? Isn’t this supposed to be, according to liberals and Marxists purely a war between ideologies that vie against one another on account of their assumed ‘inherent’ supremacy?
This paradox can be explained away only if one is ready to free himself at least for a while from his straitjacket of ideology. When one allows himself to ponder over this, a little bit of Gandhi might also come in handy. Gandhi’s stress on ‘means over ends’ in our struggle for independence acquires new meaning in this context. Gandhi’s emphasis on non-violence and appeal to the finer instincts of the enemy is not some empty religious gospel when one examines the rock-solid logic underpinning it.
Gandhi believed strongly in the idea of making the enemy see his ‘fault’ and a change of mind that is triggered by a prickling conscience is what he considered essentially as his moral victory. This is why he kept stressing the unquestionable importance of ‘showing the other cheek’. If the enemy is somehow made to realize his folly and is fully convinced of the injustice of his behaviour, he could be, according to Gandhi trusted never to repeat his act again.
This approach borrowed heavily from the religious tenets of Christianity and applied by Gandhi to his political work at a national level, single-handedly lent an undeniable moral legitimacy to his struggle. When the British police employed violent methods to suppress Gandhi’s movement led by hundreds of harmless Satyagrahis peacefully voicing their legitimate demands, international opinion massively tilted in his favour. Millions of foreigners including British commoners were compelled to acknowledge the injustice meted out to hordes of enslaved, hapless Indians.
If the masses in India as well as abroad were made to successfully recognize and accept the fundamental flaw underlying the English argument for their political hegemony over India and other colonial states, Gandhi believed that he had won handsomely. He wanted his struggle to be purely ideological and based on the irrefutable logic of his argument. Only when the masses were fully convinced of the validity of his argument and the moral superiority of his position over that of the enemy, Gandhi believed that a proper struggle for freedom could actually take place. This was why he was bent on winning popular opinion and called for masses on an unprecedented scale to join the freedom struggle. This approach was solely responsible for converting the Indian National Congress from a closed clique of well-meaning, subservient Indians to the British into an aggressive, nationwide movement run by millions of divergent working people.
Even before all of us saw the ideological vacuity of wars and armed struggles, Gandhi’s principles derived from Jesus Christ, Tolstoy and Thoreau helped him define and theorize it. Gandhi’s belief in the primacy of struggles between ideas over those between weapons laid the theoretical foundation for healthy debates and democratic discussions in post-Independence India while strongly attracting the minds of Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King in other countries.
Had Gandhi’s method of educating the masses, sensitizing them on the issues of Fascism been carried out on a larger scale all over the world instead of inculcating a dogmatic aversion to it among masses to derive short-term military victories, Fascism would have found it harder to rear its ugly head in today’s world of biological and chemical weapons. The excessive reliance of political movements on disciplining and regimenting their cadre rather than educating and enlightening them on contrarian viewpoints is one of the reasons why mankind is being condemned to face and combat the threat of Fascism at least once in every successive century.
rmahalik
October 7, 2021
As always well written, Jeeva. Connecting the events gave a good perspective. Thanks.
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Jeeva Pitchaimani
October 9, 2021
Thanks rmahalik. Really glad you liked it.
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Madan
October 9, 2021
A beautiful write up. BUT…I have to bring the pragmatic BUT rejoinder. I think Gandhi was plenty disillusioned with his project by the time of his death. So I am in the camp that believes that human nature inherently has qualities that will compel us to keep fighting this battle. There is no real solution to say keep fascism permanently at bay. Liberals will have to just never drop their guard, that is the only practical solution. And the most practical way to maintain political power with a liberal ideology is to never descend to the level of “the best reason to vote for me is I am not a fascist”. The moment you have no other argument to offer to voters, you are in trouble.
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Naren
October 11, 2021
The following is not about whether fascism is right or wrong or a necessary evil or anything like that. I’d like to know about the moral posturing of the liberals that they’re proliferating as the supposed “virtue” to the “vice” that is literally everything else. Here r a few examples of what really is liberalism today . . .
Cultural and educational Indoctrination
This is what the school students are facing in their classrooms. This teacher is a real piece of work.
Here’s a compilation of a few other teachers talking to their students as young as 5th grade/standard
Here’s a teacher from Utah ranting about her ideology in a CHEMISTRY class.
Here’s an ANTIFA thug and a huge scout who was a school teacher
Here’s a small compilation of parents fighting with school boards against CRT
This is just the tip of the iceberg and there r many more parents fighting liberal school boards over sexual content in the books provided in the school libraries and many more. An entire generation of people being indoctrinated towards an ideology there by effectively removing free and individual thinking and being sexualised well before maturity. Who r the ones being the loudest and most critical about sex crimes, racial/gender/other types of discrimination?! . . . the liberals!!!
Please do look into the controversial incident that happened in Wi Spa in Koreatown, L.A. and how the mainstream media is pushing the liberal agenda and then decide for urself.
Here’s a Harvard grad who got fired from Deloitte for this video
Here’s the latest case of a college professor quitting his job after a well-rounded liberal ideological kicking and pushing
https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/my-university-sacrificed-ideas-for
Police Brutality
Economics & Finance
I’ll give just one example as that has created an irreparable catastrophe for ages to come. The 2008 meltdown was a long time coming as it was. No one knew when and how big it was going to be but just that it was coming. Raghuram Rajan wrote a paper on it and presented to Larry Summers as a stern warning as early as in 2005, only to be laughed off. But before all this there was a catalyst that was activated as a parting gift by the Clinton administration in 1999. They repealed the Glass-Steagall Act. A law that was enacted in 1933 to serve as a firewall between investment banks and retail/commercial banks. In the 1960s during the JFK/LBJ era, the banks started designing financial products that wud blur the line between these two and eventually undermine the firewall altogether. This move propelled the financial meltdown that landed right on Obama’s lap as he stepped into office but did nothing about it whatsoever.
Politics
We can talk about this endlessly to death about Fauci’s gross mishandling of the pandemic or Biden and his administration blatantly lying about DHS officials at the border whipping the illegal immigrants and running over them with horses, AOC’s unrelenting hypocrisy with the latest being “Tax the Rich” fashion statement at a swanky, upscale, exorbitantly expensive met gala, Obama’s maskless 60th birthday party, Michelle Obama claiming that she’s scared of her children being racially profiled when applying for their drivers’ licences and so many many more. But I’ll digress with this article about LWA vs RWA. This is not even a political article but a psychological study . . .
https://digest.bps.org.uk/2021/10/01/left-wing-authoritarianism-is-real-and-needs-to-be-taken-seriously-in-political-psychology-study-argues/
Anyone who is willing to respond to my commentary, I implore u to please go thru all of the above meticulously and then explain and justify the liberal moral posturing and the self-righteous claim that they’re above fascism.
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Jeeva Pitchaimani
October 11, 2021
@Naren
Don’t you think there is too much moral posturing in the right-wing as well ? Both the left and the right have only one thing in common – that only they have the higher moral ground. So I am sure a conversation between both these camps is totally irrelevant. None is going to pull the other one to a middle ground through dialogue. All that matters is how much of the general population does each camp succeed in wooing towards them. Today the RW is on the ascent. If you are someone who doesn’t believe in left/liberal values, I have certainly nothing to tell you.
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Naren
October 11, 2021
Clearly I shud’ve rephrased my first statement for u to even notice it. It’s not about the opposition or any other ideology. If everyone else is full of vice then the left/liberal shud b full of virtue to counteract all of them. But that’s not the case at all. That’s the case I’m presenting here. RW has always been righteous, religious and conservative. They never hid any of those things. It’s the left that have been deceptive and duplicitous because of the inherent lack of foundational principles in their ideology. Well, liberalism does have some foundational principles but the left with their revisionist policies have made sure to erase them completely.
First and foremost I’m an independent. This means I’m neither pro left nor pro right. If u r implying that I’m pro Trump just because I’m debating ur ideology then u r sorely mistaken. Because that’s the narrative that the left/liberals find very convenient isn’t it?! “If u r not LW then u must b RW and that simply means Pro Trump”. What’s ironic is that it was Bush Jr. who made the super dumb statement that underlines this implication. Right after 9/11 he said “If u r not with us then u r against us”. But my beliefs r irrelevant when u r taking a stand on either side. U said that the liberals revelled in their victory by dropping a couple of A-Bombs on the Japanese. U shud watch the HBO documentary “White Light / Black Rain” to understand exactly what is that victory that they were enjoying. The Nazis were successful with the invention of the A-Bomb even before the Americans but it was the peace-loving liberal Americans who dropped them first. The Manhattan project comprising of physicsts who were a Jewish majority r the ones under attack both internationally [Palestine] and domestically [BLM, ANTIFA etc.] and apparently it was Trump’s administration who made some decisive moves to protect Israel.
In the meanwhile this is what Biden has managed to accomplish
My point is that irrespective of my beliefs . . . u haven’t said anything yet. Typical of a liberal, u have made claims left and right [no pun] and haven’t bothered to substantiate or justify any of it.
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Jeeva Pitchaimani
October 11, 2021
No Naren what I am trying to say is, there is a lot of gap between how we both perceive politics. What I am saying may sound gibberish to you for no fault of yours. ‘If you are not with us, you are with them’ is something both the left and right make use of. Here in this essay, I made use of America’s ‘liberalism’ only against German fascism which(the former) I still think was the lesser danger. But as soon as the German right wing was buried, America despite its so called liberal credentials started symbolising and representing everything ‘reactionary’ or ‘right wing’.
I don’t want to enter into a discussion here because the point of the essay was only to stress how Gandhi’s movement was an attempt to allow ideas to fight among each other rather than the conventional way of using arms to impose those ideas upon people regardless of how progressive or benevolent they were.
To summarise, I don’t want to enter into a discussion not because I am a duplicitous liberal, because I don’t see a point. Discussions on online forums are a complete waste of time in my opinion. I have done that a zillion times and nothing productive has come out of it. Despite all this, if you think I am copping out, typical of a liberal, it is your choice. A lot of people who don’t endorse my views and who hate the fact that I don’t join online discussions think about me like that. It is not my responsibility to prove them wrong.
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Aman Basha
October 11, 2021
@Naren: I really enjoy your movie related comments, but where do I begin with this? Your points about woke indoctrination are a valid concern which if you haven’t noticed is receiving pushback from classic liberals while conservatives step back and watch the show, not to mention have no control on the far right figures like Milo and his ilk.
The economics part is extremely laughable, as Clinton was anyway triangulating and pandering to the right with his economics, doing nothing but following Reagan who deregulated the banks. Bush Jr did a lot of dumb things himself too. Paul Krugman in 2001 said Greenspan was going to do a housing bubble to compensate for the dot com crash, Joseph Stiglitz was criticizing globalization from the 90s, Dean Baker and Elizabeth Warren warned of the Housing Crash. More liberals saw 2008 coming than conservatives like Niall Ferguson (Rajan is anyway a liberal too, proposing a public healthcare option). If anything, Obama was not liberal and Keynesian enough, settling for too small stimulus and too weak regulation. But the conservatives then wanted to work on the deficit and debt which they raised through Iraq and Afghanistan, held the debt ceiling hostage and pushed the world into austerity, even causing Modi. Romney wanted Detroit to go broke.
Modern Monetary Theory the liberals’ craziest economics, was long being followed by Republicans who cut taxes but never decreased spending, reasoning growth would paper the debt, Cheney famously said, “Deficits don’t matter”.
Liberals are not gods who can solve anything, it’s not easy trying to be FDR or LBJ with such slim margins for Biden. He isn’t handling the border well and has mixed messaging about Covid, but there are ups and downs for any presidency. The Republicans are the ones not taking vaccines and dying in droves right now. The right has a nutcase who never conceded even after losing and broke every last rule and decorum. Against that, liberals would ride with a wheelchair bound dementia laden Biden who wouldn’t say his granddaughter from his wife.
Obama’s maskless 60th birthday party had people who were vaccinated and tested (anyhow he’s an ex-President), not like conservatives who think a vaccine is the mark of the Beast. AOC’s Tax The Rich would be hypocrisy if she bought the ticket (which she didn’t) and since she got the ticket, she chose something very unconventional, she hasn’t been as hypocritical as she has been wrong about many issues, but she’s the only congress member who talked about limiting exorbitant credit card rates. Michelle Obama’s statement is quite true, as class has many times not helped Black people. The liberals are dumb all right and go off the wrong horse, but the conservatives, they’re crazy.
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Aman Basha
October 11, 2021
@Naren: Carrying on, just because you’re a liberal doesn’t mean you hate everything Trump did. A lot of people supported Trump when he said he’d bring people jobs back (which he didn’t), and when he promised to get tough with China (which was merely a iteration of Obama’s pivot to Asia which he couldn’t complete because of the Arab Spring). He also carried Obama’s policy of trying to be nice to Putin till Steve Bannon was around so as to not make a Sino-Russian alliance. Then he stupidly walked out of the Iran deal Obama negotiated pushing one of the biggest oil producers and central locations closer to China.
My personal religion might make people already not take me seriously on Israel, but I do understand the need for its existence and the unparalleled horrors of the Holocaust. The truth is that this location is not exactly the best place for a Jewish nation to survive and thrive, the Palestinians never drove out the Jews, they were driven out by the Romans and the Palestinians settled in their place. But the Jews did expel a lot of Palestinians in the Nakba as were many Arab Jews expelled to Israel, but the Arab Jews found themselves citizens of a country and also compensated with property abandoned by Palestinians whereas the Palestinian refugees are refugees to this day with no rights or wealth. A lot of the enflamed sentiments in the Middle East come from these refugees’ demand for a right to return (as they have nothing of their own), this happened in India too with Tamil Nadu and the Eelam. Israel under Netanyahu especially has been going to new extremes, making it nearly impossible for a two state solution. For all that you criticize BLM or the Democrats about Israel, especially after the recent violence where a lot of Palestinian voices found themselves on mainstream media, public support for Israel is waning, except in Rapture Christians who have their own plans. Even worse, Netanyahu went to the US Congress supported by a US party and criticized a sitting president when HW Bush conditioned aid to Israel and actually went on a press conference as fighting the AIPAC lobby. Reagan stopped weapons transfers to Israel over Lebanon and called it a “holocaust”. Previous high ranking Israeli officials including those heading the Mossad have said that Israel is slowly turning into an apartheid state.
Personally, I think Israel and Palestine having a Britain-Northern Ireland/Scotland like compromise is the best way. But what do I know, I’m not changing your views, I’m just putting a rejoinder to what I think is one sided or inaccurate.
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Naren
October 11, 2021
Jeeva:
U brought up a complex subject and I was just probing into it to find some clarity. U seem to b wondering that even with all the devastating attacks against fascism, militaristically or otherwise, fascism managed to survive and thrive even today. I was merely cross-examining what the liberals had to offer as a better alternative under which fascism wud succumb. The outcome turned out to b that organisations like ANTIFA ended up carrying the fascist torch in continuation . . . IRONIC!!! In one of the other posts I commented that the fascist Brit Oswald Mosley met with M.K.Gandhi on his trip to India and that they both enjoyed each other’s company and had some ideas in common too. Maybe what shud b taken from this is that fascism is not some separate entity on the opposite side of the liberals.
I go into such discussions looking for clarity rather than disagreements or proving someone wrong. Political discourses r never a waste of time for me. The inflow of different perspectives very much helps me in the outlook of national and international policies that impact everyone’s lives. It helps me understand the true complexity of the underlying economic base and therefore delve deep into economics. I’m very eager about complex subject matters.
Aman:
Suggesting that DMV, a governmental organisation, wudn’t recognise by themselves or be made to recognise the children of a former president is just absurd. Even otherwise, if they “fear” that racial profiling is widespread in the DMV then they very well cud’ve done something about it while it was under their control for 8 whole years.
One of left’s craziest economic theories that they’ve been pushing for several decades since the 1960s is “Trickle-Down Economics” which the republicans have been debunking ever since. The republicans did screw up on the debt ceiling. But the deficit was caused by the liberals in the first place in the 1960s when they started all the social welfare programmes but have handled them egregiously badly ever since. We can go on and on but my point is that one has to b an outsider to c the flaws on both sides and not stick to a side simply because a few of the policies r agreeable to some.
BTW, a lot of black democrats r the ones who r against IDs for black people in the first place claiming it to b just another form of racial profiling. Whereas it’s the black gen. pop. who have been enthusiastically getting IDs to help them with voting and what not. A republican and conservative state like Texas which has had a horrendous history with the blacks is the state today seeing a majority of black and hispanic voters compared to white voters.
I was not talking about the internals of Israeli politics at all. All that I was pointing out was that given the relationship between America and Israel, the democrats used the Jewish brains to create the A-bomb when they were in need but then became laissez faire about that relationship as time went by.
BLM is a different home grown animal. Patrisse Cullors, one of the co-founders has many real estate properties in predominantly white neighbourhoods and is also being investigated for wire fraud or something. So much for the oppression of black people. Now she has stepped down from BLM. George Soros is one of the bankrollers for BLM and has been accused for a long time now for profiting out of violence and riots. There r other co-founders of different chapters of BLM who have been charged with wire fraud. Melina Abdullah, another co-founder of BLM, L.A. chapter has openly declared in an interview that a violent overthrow of all things America is the only way to bring change. BTW, she is also a wealthy individual. How r such people able to accumulate so much wealth and then hypocritically fight against the same system that made them wealthy in the first place?! And if all the other people of a minority group doesn’t get to b so rich then it cannot b a cultural issue or an educational issue or anything else but only a case of racial oppression, right?!
But before all this . . . the very foundational core of the BLM movement . . . Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, Missouri . . . the liberal narrative of an unjustified shooting has been proven wrong and debunked very clearly. Similarly George Floyd had priors and had a heart condition and was on Fentanyl both of which caused the shortness of breath. There r other murky things around the Floyd case too. But BLM chose a narrative and started nation wide riots thereby destroying businesses everywhere and screaming to make policing defunct altogether. I don’t remember who but even a liberal hollywood black actress denounced these riots. One of those areas where BLM destroyed all the businesses was in L.A. which was a predominantly Jewish neighbourhood.
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Madan
October 11, 2021
“My personal religion might make people already not take me seriously on Israel, but I do understand the need for its existence and the unparalleled horrors of the Holocaust. ” – Well, not to open a can of worms, but participating in a heated discussion that involved Zions made me realize that ‘they’ wanted Israel for long before the war. And the war provided a convenient conduit in which to buy sympathy and build international opinion in favour of Israel. And today, the Zions deny the wars ever had anything to do with it. If you listen to their arguments, they are exactly like mandir wahi banayenge.
That said, I would also be the first to say the Israel problem is terribly complex and intractable (much like Kashmir though, somewhat like Netanyahu’s Israel, India now pretends that they have permanently solved it via abrogation of 370). So I also dislike a certain stripe of liberal who mentions “I stand with Palestine” in their linkedin bio and then also constantly tries to compel other liberals to co-sign their opinion. The very essence of liberalism is that you do not have these purity tests to determine whether, in the words of the er conservative Bush Jr, “you are with us or against us”. If you make out everyone who doesn’t side 100% with Palestine as a demon, that’s no different from Zions claiming Corbyn is an anti-Semite (I believe they said that of Bernie Sanders too, a Jew, lol).
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Madan
October 11, 2021
“Personally, I think Israel and Palestine having a Britain-Northern Ireland/Scotland like compromise is the best way.” – And in our own lifetime, we have already seen a reckless Brexit destroy the soft border. Strange, strange times we live in. Wonder what else we are going to see…
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Yajiv
October 11, 2021
@Jeeva: Just got a chance to read through this. Brilliant stuff. You connected seemingly disparate events under one umbrella really well.
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Aman Basha
October 11, 2021
@Naren: You are so wrong, so out there but at least be honest and not call yourself a centrist.
@Madan: It was normal back in the 19th Century to be an anti-Semite and a lot of these sentiments really boiled over into Hitler’s rise and the Holocaust. Back then Jewish students and professors were frequently turned down and removed. In all honesty, Islamophobia today is not as bad as anti-Semitism in those times. So the Zionists found validation in the Holocaust for their views among the wider community. This is very different from Ram Mandir, which in my opinion, should have had the Muslims move the entire mosque physically to a different location like Aswan Dam.
Also Jeremy Corbyn is an Anti-Semite, there have been so many instances of him partaking in anti-Semitic tropes while Bernie Sanders has actually been very nuanced on the issue unlike the Squad and others (he had family who died in the Holocaust and he actually lived in Israel). Andrew Sullivan made this very interesting comparison between Trump and Corbyn you should check.
https://prospect.org/world/corbyn-makes-zionist-case.-netanyahu-harms-it.-irony/
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Anu Warrier
October 12, 2021
I haven’t gone through a lot of the videos but just want to say that Critical Race Theory is NOT taught in schools. So this ‘pushback’ is another right wing talking point rather than an actual ‘thing’.
You cannot teach the history of the US without teaching children about the history of racism in the country, and the prevalence of slavery. What these parents want is the whitewashing of history because you cannot say the US was built on slavery (which it was).
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Anu Warrier
October 12, 2021
And oh, just clicking on these videos: the one about CRT is by Heritage Foundation, a right wing ; the one about the ‘Antifa’ teacher is by Project Veritas, whose many, many claims have been debunked over and over and over, and whose founders have been charged with many cases of fraudulence. I haven’t checked the antecedents of the rest of the videos, but if they are by these groups, then I’m afraid that your claims of being ‘independent’ are about as factual as the claims by these people/organisations of being objective.
Here’s a factual and objective look at what the Heritage Foundation is, today, if you’re really interested in being objective.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/09/the-fall-of-the-heritage-foundation-and-the-death-of-republican-ideas/279955/
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Jeeva Pitchaimani
October 12, 2021
Thanks Madan and Yajiv. Thank you for keeping the writing spirit in me alive by commenting in almost all of my posts.
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Naren
October 12, 2021
More claims and convenient categorisation of my discourse . . . I don’t know how many more times I have to repeat myself for someone to actually pay attention to the fact that I’m simply cross-examining the claim that the liberals have something to offer that can b considered as the medicine to fascism. If we need to explore the shortcomings and criminal activities of the right then that can very well be done too. I can do a deep dive there as well. Let me repeat one more time in the desperate hope that someone wud notice atleast now and retain the fact that I’m not supporting any other ideology by debating the left/liberal ideology but simply playing the devil’s advocate here.
Yes, some of the video sources r from right wing groups because the left media is not covering any of these. I’d b happy to explore what the left has to say about any of these incidents. BTW, a lot of the left’s claims, primarily from CNN has been debunked over and over and over and over and over and yet the blind loyalty seems to persist. The left covered the Wi Spa incident and claimed it as a RW agenda to attack transgender people. The reality is that the transperson involved in that particular incident has priors of indecent exposure and what not. But no no . . . the conservatives find it offensive and therefore it’s a co-ordinated attack on transgender people.
Here’s a video of a CNN interview. I’m not going to pass any comments on it now. But I’d like to know what r the takes from it from all your perspectives. I’ll just say one thing though . . . this is just the tip of the iceberg. Please do watch the entire thing.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/business/2021/07/18/landslide-author-michael-wolff-on-reliable-sources.cnn
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Naren
October 12, 2021
Here’s a video of in-fighting among the lefts themselves. A neoliberal black MSNBC host attacking a classic liberal. I’m not going to comment now here either. I urge all of u to watch the whole thing and let me know what u think.
I did c the Bill Maher clip in YouTube a little while ago but can’t seem to find it now. If any of u can find a leftist source for that then please do watch that too.
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Madan
October 12, 2021
Aman Basha : The Ram Mandir is not about seeking refuge from the horrors of anti Semitism but of casting Israel as the permanent abode of Jewish diaspora. Zions cast it as their destiny to call Israel their homeland and regard Palestine as a British fiction. And the way they talk about the Temple Mount or whatever it is is quite similar to Ram Mandir. I will link that thread here if I can find it.
Regarding Corbyn, Sullivan has come up with a characterization of his views that I may not agree with. I would like to know exactly what has Corbyn said recently that is blatantly anti semite. Something like follow the Benjamins is not anti Semitic but it would for sure get the Zions foaming at the mouth.
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