By Madan Mohan
Can you take a book (for the purpose of shooting a middle budget Hollywood movie), adapt it reasonably faithfully and still change just enough of it that the whole thrust, the crux of it is altered more than significantly and the message is rendered ambiguous or even mildly positive? With potentially damaging consequences? The answer, if we take the example of The Devil Wears Prada, would appear to be…yes.
The Devil Wears Prada, made on a budget of $40 mn, hit gold at the box office and grossed over $ 300 mn. It beat out competition from bigger films in spite of not being an action franchise film or a rom-com or any other category of film that would tick the boxes, so to speak. The movie received rave reviews and critics hailed it as better than the book, which, in spite of its own bestseller status, had been flogged by several critics. But why?
An important clue lies in something Meryl Streep said about why she took on the role of Miranda Priestley, the ‘devil’ in the title and Andrea’s tyrannical boss. She smelled an opportunity to redeem the image of the Hollywood female villain (a la Cruella De Vil, whose hairdo informs Streep’s own for the role of Miranda Priestley) and humanize her. For context, the character of Priestley is alleged to be based on the queen of Vogue reigning for nearly the last 35 years, Anna Wintour (and the author of the book Devil Wears Prada, Lauren Weisberger, worked as Wintour’s assistant in her first assignment out of college). She also remarked that the perspective of the book was one sided and she wanted to understand and bring out what Priestley brought to the table that made her so successful. Hence, the scene
from the movie where Miranda lectures Andrea (or Andy as she is always called) on the importance of being fashionable (a scene that does not take place in the book).
I wonder if Anna Wintour herself could have articulated the raison d’etre of the fashion industry any better. She would surely have appreciated this little…favour from her friend Streep, wouldn’t she?
I saw the film for the first time somewhere in the 2000s or early 2010s, on TV, as we tended to do in the pre-Netflix era. I was intrigued by the premise and wanted to read the book but couldn’t get around to it and the reviews suggesting the movie surpassed it perhaps discouraged me.
I don’t know quite what pushed me to read Prada recently…other than that I have been on a reading spree again. And well, I began to get some answers alright.
The Miranda Priestley of the book is a particular kind of cruel, inhuman, misanthropic and vindictive boss who compounds matters for her subordinates by giving the briefest of instructions whilst in fact having very specific expectations. As an example, she asks Andrea to get her the review of a restaurant that she read in the paper today (this is more or less verbatim as described in the book) and only when Andrea asks a follow up does she mention, with the exasperated complaint “Andrea I am already late for the meet”, that it was an Asian fusion restaurant. After Andrea spends the better part of a day pleading with contacts (in all the New York published newspapers that Miranda reads) to help locate the review, Miranda demands an update and when informed that they are unable to find such a review, she says, “Andrea, I’ve told you at least five times now that the review was written about a new restaurant in Washington” (she never did, by the way). The review, it turns out, had appeared in The Washington Post.
Without going into confidential details, yes, I have worked for a boss who believed in issuing one line instructions and acting outraged that we did not understand what he wanted (even though people in his ‘trusted circle’ found it just as hard to decipher his messages as ‘neophytes’ like me). And as it was for Miranda’s assistants, every such ‘failure’ to ‘understand’ was accompanied by the threat of being fired. It’s not fun and games at all and if you think this is about dumb employees requiring too much information to act, you’re kidding yourself.
She also never lets assistants know exactly when she will be in office for breakfast or lunch but expects it to have already been served when she is at her desk (thereafter applying insane pressure on the assistants to arrange for food ASAP). In one memorable instance, she berates Andrea who rushes to arrange lunch from the restaurant and when she triumphantly serves lunch to Miranda, the latter informs her that she had already had lunch at some restaurant and angrily asks her to clear the food away.
While I shall not bore you with a laundry list of sundry cruelties inflicted by Miranda on Andrea and Emily, an important difference is also the way the book ends as opposed to the movie. No, Andrea does not walk away because she suddenly develops self righteous disgust when Miranda tells her she reminds me of her younger self. Andrea walks away because having agreed to stay on one more day in Paris to assist Miranda even after hearing that her bestie Lily has suffered a terrible accident and is awakening from coma, Miranda berates her because her daughters’ passports expired (as if Andrea was responsible for this mishap) and asks her to ensure, come what may, that her daughters don’t miss their flight. Finally pushed over the edge by Miranda’s obstinate refusal to understand that she is asking for the impossible, Andrea gives her the proverbial finger and catches the next flight home to be with Lily.
Now…(if you haven’t read the book), you didn’t know that, do you? Does this make Andrea’s decision to leave her job more understandable to you as opposed to what comes across as confused self-righteousness in the movie? By the way, the movie boyfriend Nate too exudes a whiny self-righteousness whereas in the book, he (named Alex here) is much more supportive and patient and often makes sacrifices from his own job as a teacher (not chef) that he finds are increasingly not reciprocated by Andrea as she is working for a tyrant. In the book, Andrea does not get a glowing reference from Miranda for her next job and they do not exchange a wordless smile as their glances meet on the street. Rather, the publisher who agrees to print Andrea’s article for a pretty decent fee completely understands Andrea’s decision as, it turns out, Miranda’s reputation precedes her.
This tone of a nod-and-wink open secret is not worlds apart from real life; listen here to Meredith Viera commending Tim Gunn for “not being afraid to say it (it being an unsavoury incident involving Anna Wintour)”.
If this article wasn’t already as long as Wintour’s shawls, I would also describe excerpts from Jerry Oppenheimer’s non fictional and unauthorized biography of Wintour Front Row, which broadly tallies with the description of Miranda in Prada.
But back to Gunn. Gunn, in essence, is not afraid of being ‘cancelled’ by Wintour for daring to break the Omerta code. Perhaps, on the other hand, Streep and director David Frankel were. After all, you could be permanently disinvited from the Met Gala if you rubbed Wintour the wrong way, as Gunn seems to have been.
It does appear that Wintour’s minions in the media were afraid as they venomously upbraided Weisberger’s book. Weisberger observed a dissonance in the reactions she received – people from outside New York City came back saying they too had worked for a bad boss and could relate while people from NYC were more like, “How dare you!”. As a non-NYC denizen, I could indeed very closely relate Andrea’s experience to my own. And as for the complaint about ‘singling out’ female bosses, well, a just solution would b e to make it harder for toxic bosses of any gender to get their way, rather than giving ‘permission’ to female devils because male ones got to all these years. I can assure you I am not the one barracking for toxic male bosses and I don’t know who is other than wannabe toxic bosses and…the uninformed.
Yes, the uninformed. What the experience of contrasting the movie and the book has taught me is that as well informed as people may consider themselves to be (and with justification), it is very easy to sway them/us with propaganda if we don’t know the context in detail. Frankel and Streep (not sparing Aline Brosh MccKenna or Wendy Finerman of the blame either) successfully spun the movie based on a hit piece roman a clef on Wintour into a subtle propaganda vehicle that presents her instead as a tough boss who can prepare you for the jungle of life and a tough boss who recognizes and admires talent.
And…what has been the consequence of that? That more and more assistants and other Vogue employees have likely been shredded out of the Wintour den in the years since with tales to tell that, now, nobody except the already informed will believe because the movie showed her to possess a modicum of fairness. There is a highly watched video that analyzes Priestley as a ‘defence of perfectionism’ and when I read the comments praising the character, I feel like correcting them…and I remember that I would have been part of the chorus had I not read the book!
But more importantly, spinning Wintour’s toxicity as a mixed blessing perhaps also allowed Hollywood to protect the toxic within their own. And we know now that some of those toxic bosses, notably Weinstein, went too far, way too far. Streep, the political animal and vocal feminist, of course never knew anything whatsoever about Weinstein but was horrified when she heard about it, no? I could also write about how Spielberg and Streep completely wiped out the very name of Mike Gravel from the movie The Post but that’s for another day.
Art entertains us, gives us pleasure and maybe even succour in tough times. Which is all mostly for the good. But precisely for these reasons, we must also be cautious about the potential of art to mislead and misdirect, particularly when they are based either directly or loosely on real life subjects. And while I would never, as a diehard free speech advocate, support censorship of cinema or any other art medium, I am never going to say anymore that art does not have consequences. Not only does it very much have consequences but in intelligent and sophisticated hands, art can be employed as a medium of insidious propaganda that can serve to protect well-heeled interests while superficially providing a movie that was mostly very well made and made for engrossing viewing. Yes, I get it, the movie is great to watch irrespective of its possible goals; well, rat poison tastes great too, asks the rats (except you can’t, they are dead!).
PS: I have much to say about the ‘success’ narrative used by Wintour’s acolytes as well as unsuspecting fans of her ‘work ethic’ and ‘perfectionism’ to justify her toxicity. But, for brevity’s sake (ahem!), that will have to be either for the comments or a follow up piece.
Anu Warrier
May 9, 2022
And while I would never, as a diehard free speech advocate, support censorship of cinema or any other art medium, I am never going to say anymore that art does not have consequences. Not only does it very much have consequences but in intelligent and sophisticated hands, art can be employed as a medium of insidious propaganda that can serve to protect well-heeled interests while superficially providing a movie that was mostly very well made and made for engrossing viewing.
Thank you for coming over to the dark side where ART (TM) is not sacrosanct and should be held up to as much review and criticism as any other field! 😀
I have never ever called for the ban of a film or a book, but it seemed to me that increasingly, anyone who even dared call out a film for [insert theme of choice here] were being derided as ‘woke’ (the favourite pejorative applied) or as people wanting censorship.
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Madan
May 9, 2022
Anu Warrier : Thanks! Everyone has a line/rubicon end of the day. Maybe mine is stuff like this or, as I referred to, The Post. ‘True’ cinema is probably the most dangerous kind as I increasingly find that it is extremely untrue and large sections of the audience are going to believe what is shown in the movie BECAUSE it is based on true events.
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madhusudhan194
May 9, 2022
Terrific, terrific write up Madan. Initially I did not understand the reason for your strong views about changing the lead character’s caste in Soorarai Pottru but this article helps me understand it better. Absolutely agree on taking these “based on true stories” films with a pinch of salt as it is easy to get swept by the propaganda particularly when the films are made well.
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Akhilan
May 9, 2022
I remember watching The Devil Wears Prada back in 2007 and I must confess that I’ve probably watched it at least 20+ times since, and can recite most of the dialogues verbatim. For me, the biggest takeaway though was slightly different from yours Madan as it had nothing to do with the dissonance between the movie and the book (admittedly because I have not read the book). I was of course aware about the rumors but not once did I question or give two cents about the extent to which Miranda’s character was inspired by Wintour, and to an even lesser extent, if it was a vehicle for Wintour propaganda. What made the movie magical for me were the performances and most importantly, how beautifully and with a dash of humor, it highlighted and thus shined a spotlight on the Fashion industry, specifically luxury fashion. Yes, the ever-so derided and apparently ‘cruel’ Fashion industry. It portrayed how it is more than just a frivolous industry meant for the ultra-rich – a business catered for the exclusive; that it is also about beauty and creativity that requires immense hard work and dedication just like in any other industry. This is best exemplified through Miranda’s ‘Prada Cerulean Sweater’ monologue, which to this very day, still gives me goosebumps.
With regards to Wintour’s supposed ‘toxic behavior’, your guess is as good as mine, but just because the movie decides to not go down that route does not make it ‘superficial’. As BR always says, the key question you have to ask yourself is if the movie worked for you, and if so why. Since time-immemorial, there have been numerous examples where the means to which how power is acquired and consequently wielded has not quite correlated with righteousness or virtuosity. Hence, I have no problem with how Wintour acquired and thus chooses to wield her ‘power’ either. Wintour is who she is for a reason and I’m not here to judge her moral-plane. And if she did indeed go ‘too far’ à la Weinstein in some shape or form, then eventually, the bubble will burst and it will all be out in the open. Till then, good on her for being and cementing here position as the most powerful person in Fashion for almost 40 years. With all that being said however, I completely agree with Anu in that art should be subject to all sorts of debates and criticism. And Madan as you mentioned, at the end of the day, everybody has a ‘line’, and maybe for you this was it. I personally, can only respectfully disagree with you in this particular case.
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Madan
May 9, 2022
Akhilan: Thank you for a detailed comment. But as you have noted yourself, we have a number of disagreements and I am going to address them.
“With regards to Wintour’s supposed ‘toxic behavior’, your guess is as good as mine, but just because the movie decides to not go down that route does not make it ‘superficial’. ” – I didn’t call the movie superficial and if you feel I did, feel free to point out the sentence in question. What I said is it is possible for movie to be great superficially (on the surface, not superficiality as in lacking depth) while also being a masterful vehicle of propaganda.
“. As BR always says, the key question you have to ask yourself is if the movie worked for you, and if so why.” – That may be true for you, me, BR or other high minded viewers. But we need to analyze whether that is necessarily what viewers in general take away from a movie or indeed whether that is all even we take away from it, if we’re being honest. Frankly, the idolization and admiration of the Miranda Priestley character I have seen in the comments on the ‘Defence of Perfectionism’ video is not a world apart from similar raving about Arjun Reddy. As if a real person. Only in this case, Priestley is based on a KNOWN real person and, again, it is clear from the comments that people accept the portrayal of Priestley in the movie as an accurate depiction of Wintour herself. And THAT is problematic.
“Since time-immemorial, there have been numerous examples where the means to which how power is acquired and consequently wielded has not quite correlated with righteousness or virtuosity. Hence, I have no problem with how Wintour acquired and thus chooses to wield her ‘power’ either.” – And would you still say that if the person in question was Hitler, Stalin, Putin, hell even George Bush Jr?
But I have a further objection. Wintour does not lead a company she owns. She is rather an extremely powerful employee of Conde Nast. Vogue existed for almost a century before Wintour. Therefore, the consequences of how she runs Vogue and how she treats its employees deserve critique. It is not as irrelevant a question as you would like it to be.
“Till then, good on her for being and cementing here position as the most powerful person in Fashion for almost 40 years. ” – This is veering close to the success narrative. So here’s what I referred to in the postscript. I have also worked in an automobile company where we had one Brit MD and later a German. Both were degreed, incidentally, unlike Wintour. I did not find them to be micro managing and getting on people’s nerves constantly. Rather, they worked like orchestra conductors – selecting the right products (composition), the best talent (highly trained musicians capable of performing the composition) and then guiding the talent to the destination (the act of conducting itself). But between them, they turned around a long-in-the-tooth behemoth and put it back on the podium which I am sure said Brit would have been delighted to see were he still alive (though I am sure he, like his German successor, wouldn’t be shouting from the rooftops to claim credit for what the team as a whole achieved). So I don’t accept the premise that this is what ABC had to do to succeed/grab power so it’s fine. No, there are people who are able to succeed just the same without having to turn into monsters.
Toxic management is not a crime in law so Wintour is unlikely to be brought to back in the way Weinstein was. However, her success does not condone the methods she has used to achieve it; and importantly, the correlation frequently drawn between her methods and her success is false. As far as I could gather, neither circulation nor advertising jumped up yugely during her time vis-a-vis Mirabella Grace’s. What she did achieve was to make Vogue tremendously influential within the world of fashion but it is perhaps not hard to see why given her Omerta-esque tactics.
I will end with a counter-example re “most powerful person in fashion for almost 40 years”. The Communists were in power for nearly four decades as well in West Bengal. That doesn’t mean they didn’t wreck the state by the time they were kicked out. Power as an end itself is a dangerous concept. It may be as old as civilization itself but a lot of things that old are dangerous all the same.
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Madan
May 9, 2022
madhusudhan194: Thanks a lot! Yes indeed, that too was an instance where I found the deviation from the original problematic.
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Akhilan
May 9, 2022
Hey Madan, I just think you have a way bigger problem with Wintour, her ‘supposed’ methods, and her ‘supposed’ behavior than I do. I do however think that it’s quite a stretch to equate Wintour with Stalin, Hitler etc, but you clearly feel strongly about this and that’s your prerogative. I can’t go as far as to calling Wintour a ‘monster’ because in my view, there is not sufficient evidence to corroborate this. Though I totally agree that it deserves critique, I don’t find it problematic if the audience does conflate Miranda’s character with Wintour’s real-life personality. That is what movies should ideally do. They should make you believe. They should convince you. It is after all a make believe world. It is up to you as the audience to research, critically reflect further (if you want to) and then make up your mind afterwards. Vogue owes its success and influence in large part thanks to Wintour, so for me this is all part and parcel of being part of and running a corporate behemoth like Vogue, just like you see with Goldman Sachs for example (with reportedly 95 hour weeks). You ‘know’ more or less how they ‘function’, with perhaps less than ideal working conditions to put it mildly, but nevertheless, for so many people, these institutions capture their imagination and fuel their desire to work there. That in a nutshell is how capitalism works. It is about results and ultimately success. I’m not saying I necessarily agree with this, but it is a price I’m willing to pay, if say I was in Andy’s shoes.
P.S. I’m glad that you wrote about The Devil Wears Prada though. It is arguably in my top-5 all time favorite movies list, and yeah just being able to have a quite enriching discussion about it on here regardless of which end of the spectrum we stand on is something that I appreciate.
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Madan
May 9, 2022
“I do however think that it’s quite a stretch to equate Wintour with Stalin, Hitler etc, but you clearly feel strongly about this and that’s your prerogative. ” – I did not equate her with them. I am just saying a position that the moral means to access power are untenable.
“I can’t go as far as to calling Wintour a ‘monster’ because in my view, there is not sufficient evidence to corroborate this.” – Oh, evidence is certainly not a problem as Oppenheimer’s book corroborates everything Weisberger wrote (in essence, not detail because the scope of Oppenheimer’s book was much broader). And it’s a non fiction account that has gone uncontested by Wintour. So there you go.
” That is what movies should ideally do. They should make you believe. They should convince you.” – If a movie seeks to convince the audience of something that is factually wrong, it is fair to criticize the makers for it. Because the motive in that case would be dishonest to begin with. Once again, NOT conflating the example of Wintour here but if Birth of a Nation convinces white people about their superiority over black people or the virtues of KKK, is that an acceptable outcome?
” this is all part and parcel of being part of and running a corporate behemoth like Vogue, just like you see with Goldman Sachs for example (with reportedly 95 hour weeks).” – With the difference that the work environment of Goldman Sachs is widely known and people know what they’re signing up for. It is not comparably as well reported on in the case of Vogue and the veil of secrecy is necessary for them to be able to recruit unsuspecting candidates. I mean, if it was that well known, Weisberger’s book wouldn’t have caused half the outrage it did.
” I’m not saying I necessarily agree with this, but it is a price I’m willing to pay, if say I was in Andy’s shoes.” – Having been in those shoes (not Vogue but basically a lucrative assignment in a ‘brand’), I don’t agree. Is it coming out of experience or are you just theorizing that if you signed up for it, you would endure the punishment? It has its merits but up to a point and this sort of corporate exploitation is predicated on gaslighting people into believing this is the only way to get somewhere in life.
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Akhilan
May 9, 2022
The movie was ‘inspired’ by Wintour. It don’t think the movie ever claimed to be some tell-all, factually accurate biopic on her life and even if it did, it is allowed to take creative liberties as it sees fit for the narrative it wants to tell. I guess the difference between you and me is the importance, rather the weight and faith you place in the book as well as Oppenheimer’s work which thus influences your perception about Wintour. And that is completely fine. Weisberger has received a fair share of criticism herself, hence I’m not going to quite take her nor Oppenheimer’s (unauthorized) biography on Wintour as gospel just yet. Finally, yes it is more or less the same in the fashion world. I won’t go into details for obvious reasons, but I have experience working for a luxury fashion brand myself, and I was completely aware of the inner workings beforehand and still signed up for it anyway. So the fashion world is not really as shrouded in secrecy as one might typically expect. What you view as ‘punishment’ and ‘exploitation’, I experienced it as challenging and motivational on a daily basis. It just depends on who you are as an individual, what kind of environment suits you best and understanding where you thrive in.
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Madan
May 10, 2022
“It don’t think the movie ever claimed to be some tell-all, factually accurate biopic on her life and even if it did, it is allowed to take creative liberties as it sees fit for the narrative it wants to tell. ” – Ah, so why was it so wrong for Weisberger to take the same creative liberties that NYT actually asked an ex-Vogue employee to write a ‘review’ where she basically admonished Weisberger for telling on her ex-boss? You realize that had Wintour’s minions not created such a ruckus, many of us wouldn’t even have realized that the book was about her? Because we don’t have the inside knowledge that they do anyway.
“I guess the difference between you and me is the importance, rather the weight and faith you place in the book as well as Oppenheimer’s work which thus influences your perception about Wintour” – I have to in the absence of even the most feeble counters from the Wintour camp. Silence speaks.
“What you view as ‘punishment’ and ‘exploitation’, I experienced it as challenging and motivational on a daily basis. ” – Yes, if you think being made to rush a meal from a restaurant only to be told the person who asked for it already had lunch anyway and didn’t need it or if you are told to look for a restaurant review without specifying either the newspaper or the city or if you could get fired for not getting copies of a yet unreleased Harry Potter book for the CEO’s daughters, then I don’t think it’s motivational at all, just useless power games.
But the larger point is simply that if a movie is going to alter a book for the express purpose of presenting the chief antagonist (based on a real person) in a different light to protect said antagonist’s interests, I cannot be told that ‘art is sacrosanct’ and therefore I shouldn’t lift the veil. The makers have the right to make the movie they desire. But then, so do I to point out that it’s basically sophisticated propaganda. If it’s up to viewers to decide, let them also decide after reading what I or others have to say rather than in a vacuum.
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Madan
May 10, 2022
Oh, and I forgot, a bunch of women even try here to argue that ALT, after turning 70 and leaving his job at Vogue, still should probably not have told on Wintour. I am sorry but is nobody working for Vogue permitted any agency?
Your mileage may vary but I recognize this from my own experiences as an environment of fear and intimidation. And imo good managers know how to get work done without constantly resorting to either.
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MANK
May 10, 2022
Great post Madan, and great set of comments. I am much more forgiving about these deviation from the book to screen adaptation, both being different art forms and all, but i do understand your POV regarding the politics of it, and i have the same problem with films like Sanju and so on. i did feel that it was a very simplistic and ‘whitewashed’ portrayal of Wintour, even without reading the book- btw Meryl Streep’s loyalty was repaid when Wintour herself interviewed Meryl before the release of “The Post.”; that gave a big publicity push for the film. But I am a big fan of Meryl’s performance in the film, of course i am a big fan of Meryl period!, and i think Miranda Priestley is one of her greatest creations. Her performance is very very seductive, very subtle and poetic (which might make it even more problematic from the perspective that you are coming from), and she based it on , of all people, Clint Eastwood, who acted with and directed her in “Bridges of Madison County”. Just like “Julie & Julia,” this is a film i consistently rewatch simply for her performance.
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Madan
May 10, 2022
MANK: Thanks! Yes, I AM a big fan of Meryl’s performance in the film and of Meryl the actress today. I like to distinguish by saying I am a fan of Meryl but not Merill (the latter being the duplicitous political animal who mostly helps the neo-con garbage pretending to be Democrats). And yes, I remember the ‘interview’ between Wintour and Streep to promote The Post. Again, it was subtly done, pretending to be about two powerful women gravely concerned about Trump.
Oh yeah, Sanju is an excellent example with, of course, the whitewashing being much more blatant. Hey, I like Ranbir so maybe Sanju baba served the purpose by indirectly helping Ranbir get what seems to have been his last hit to date, lol.
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Akhilan
May 10, 2022
Agree with you in the sense that silence speaks as there lies dignity in silence as well. But the bottom line is what you define/see as ‘useless power games’, ‘fear’, or ‘intimidation’ is not how I define/see it or experienced it in that manner, which is ok. I am totally at peace with my takeaways from the movie as well as my experience in the fashion world, and if given the opportunity, I would do it all over again. I don’t have any issues with the politics of it all, nor do I see some wider dangerous societal implications at play either. Not arguing for the sacrosanctity of art, but yeah as I mentioned earlier, it’s totally up to the audience to inform themselves and accordingly decide whether they see it as sophisticated propaganda or whatever else their takeaway might end up being. For me, the movie is not a sophisticated work of propaganda and nor am I concerned or willing to place a normative assessment on Wintour’s character/real-life personality based on the book, movie, or from any other sources out there at present.
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MANK
May 10, 2022
Again, it was subtly done, pretending to be about two powerful women gravely concerned about Trump.
Ha haa haaaaaaa, LOL Madan, i died laughing on that one. Wintour went to extra lengths to appear charming and affable in the interview. Agree with the politics of these people. Majority of these celebrities, either from right or left, are so shallow and politically ignorant. they should refrain from speaking about political issues. More than Trump getting elected, which is tragic as it is, I think what shocked many of them was how disconnected they are from the rest of the country. living in their own bubble, and stupid enough to think that what they think is what the rest of populace thinks as well.
Regarding Sanju, I think Sanjay Dutt also benefitted from that film. i remember that during its release and post its success, he was on every channel claiming that masses has accepted his story.
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Madan
May 10, 2022
“But the bottom line is what you define/see as ‘useless power games’, ‘fear’, or ‘intimidation’ is not how I define/see it or experienced it in that manner, which is ok” – But you didn’t work for Wintour. Or did you?
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Akhilan
May 10, 2022
Neither did you right Madan…? It’s about what you choose to believe/not believe. I choose not to, whilst you do. And I didn’t find it exploitative in the movie either, whilst you did. Just different perspectives. Pretty straight-forward really.
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Madan
May 10, 2022
“Neither did you right Madan…?” – No, but you have projected that experience as more or less identical to what Lauren wrote about hence why I had to point it out.
I am reposting that part of your comment:
“But the bottom line is what you define/see as ‘useless power games’, ‘fear’, or ‘intimidation’ is not how I define/see it or experienced it in that manner” – What you experienced is irrelevant here because you didn’t work for her and you cannot use your experience at a different brand and under a different manager to categorize the experience as described not only by Weisberger but by the many people (many of them big players themselves) interviewed by Oppenheimer for his book. Even if I am relying only on second hand sources, I am at least reproducing them accurately whereas you are projecting with that part of your comment (don’t know why as you haven’t done so elsewhere in this discussion).
If I worked for one top accounting firm and there were complaints about a Partner at a rival firm, I wouldn’t use my experience at the firm where I work to refute those complaints. This is not an indictment of the fashion industry. My clarification is unnecessary because I never suggested it was anyway in my article, but I am stating it nevertheless. It is also not about long hours or assignments given with short deadlines (and again, I never brought up long hours, you did w.r.t Goldman Sachs). Been there, done that, did 80 hour weeks at Deutsche. The article was about something specific that has been described in detail.
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Akhilan
May 10, 2022
All points taken, but my core point will still remain the same, which is – the ‘evidence’ you rely on is irrelevant to me. It is irrelevant with regards to how I experienced the movie, and is even more irrelevant with regards to how I should or should not view Wintour as that is the least of my concerns. So to put it simply, at this moment in time, I choose to disregard Weisberger, Oppenheimer, or any other sources presented to me. I’m completely entitled to believe that these sources do not represent sufficient enough evidence for me to either alter my perception on Wintour (for whatever little ‘I know’ about her), or alter my takeaway/s from and experience of how I felt or continue to feel about the movie in and of itself.
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Madan
May 10, 2022
Akhilan: That’s fair, I cannot force you (and would not) to accept my sources as valid. I only stepped in because it sounded like you were passing off your experience at another firm as a valid basis to dismiss Weisberger’s characterisation of Wintour. Rest you are entitled to your views and I thank you for expressing them with courtesy throughout as it is increasingly a rare commodity on the net.
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Prakash Alagarsamy
May 10, 2022
@akhilan. Just a doubt. Would you have held the same views if you hadn’t liked the movie or if it was not well made??
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Akhilan
May 10, 2022
Touché Madan. Felt pretty much the same throughout and also felt like I learned a lot as well. BTW, if I recall correctly, aren’t you a pretty avid follower of tennis…? If so, then that’s something we definitely share in common. 🙂
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Madan
May 11, 2022
Yes indeed, huge tennis fan. Looking forward to Alcaraz and Swiatek lighting up the upcoming RG.
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Hum
May 12, 2022
I neither read the book nor watch the movie but enjoyed this piece very much.
I can correlate this with the Karnan the movie, Sivaji acted back in the day. The acting prowess displayed by the great thespian in the movie increased Karnan’s popularity multifold in TN and it continues even today.
I love the movie too except the one scene I was waiting with bated breath never came on screen, The Draupadi Vastraharan.
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Akhilan
May 12, 2022
Hey Prakash, um if I had not liked The Devil Wears Prada, I would have still held the same view/s (albeit in that case, I would instead be trying to explain why it did not work for me). My takeaway nevertheless would still be purely based on how the movie made me feel and why it made me feel the way it did. Hence, the dissonance with the book and/or who Wintour ‘supposedly’ is in real-life would have no bearing or influence on my movie-watching experience.
Yeah Madan. Alcaraz and Swiatek are playing like beasts ATM. Would really like to see Alcaraz make a deep run or even win RG, but will need to see how he handles best of five both from a physical and mental stand point. In Swiatek’s case, I don’t see anyone stopping her from winning RG, but hoping against hope that Halep can perhaps spring a surprise and cause a massive upset, as I have always like her game and off-court personality.
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Madan
May 12, 2022
“I love the movie too except the one scene I was waiting with bated breath never came on screen, The Draupadi Vastraharan.” – Hahahaha. I haven’t seen Karnan but I can relate to that. I guess as I get older, I am less and less ready to just forgive these things and more inclined to ask what was the thought process behind such acts of commission or omission.
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Madan
May 12, 2022
Akhilan: Yeah, this MIGHT be too soon for Alcaraz though one never knows. It’s not like Nadal gave plenty of warning back in 2005 when he upset Fed (the last time it would be called an upset, at least on clay, lol) and won RG. But you don’t have five set finals in Masters anymore and as such young players come through with no BO5 exposure so that IS the question w.r.t Alcaraz. He has previously beaten Tsitsipas in five and nearly beat Berretini this year at AO. But can he do it against the giants? Swiatek OTOH is clearly the prohibitive favourite. My watch-out-for player is Ons Jabeur. She hit some form just in time for RG at Madrid and she has bothered Swiatek in the past. She has the variety to break her rhythm and make her second-guess. We could well have a ‘dress rehearsal’ right here at Rome as both are playing this tournament.
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Anand Raghavan
May 12, 2022
@Akhilan Yes at this moment looks like Iga Swiatek would be dominant , undisputed for quite sometime. But the tennis World seem to have missed a rivalry of Graf-Seles era with Ash Barty’s retirement at her peak. In fact Graf-Seles itself got nipped midway due to the stabbing incident on seles. More than Halep, i feel a crafty player like One Jabeur can challenge Iga.
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Anand Raghavan
May 12, 2022
@Madan : yes, looks like Ons craftiness, could pose a challenge to Iga. I saw your comment after i had posted, and felt i was not alone backing Ons 🙂
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Madan
May 12, 2022
Anand Raghavan: I remember her match against Swiatek last year at Wimbledon (as I am sure you do). Granted Swiatek wasn’t at her best post Rome last year but I still think Ons has the game to upset her. Ons is my favourite kind of player. Has a brilliant forehand but also so much variety. If she can somehow win RG, it would be a dream come true.
And yeah, I am really, unreasonably, irrationally upset over Barty retiring. Her game had gradually grown on me through the last year and in this year’s AO, I became a huge fan. And then…she just left? Each to their own but you can live in a beautiful home of your choice for decades but these years at the top of tennis will never come back. It’s an opportunity missed, but what is done is done and it’s her life anyway.
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Akhilan
May 12, 2022
Totally Anand and Madan. Barty’s variety and all-round game is a big loss specially for the still relatively one-dimensional women’s game. I was upset with her decision to retire as well, but clearly, there are more important things in her life than tennis. Maybe she felt ‘complete’ after her victory at the AO this year, had ‘nothing’ more left to give, and felt that nothing could ‘top’ winning at home soil. I agree with both of you that Jabeur is definitely one of the contenders at RG. I like her game and versatility, her off-court personality as well, and after Halep, I’m rooting for her. But I think grass is Swiatek’s weakest surface, so not sure how much weight I would place on Jabeur’s victory against her at Wimbledon. Finally, I wish the Stanimal or Thiem, two of my favorite players (outside Fed) can perhaps spring a surprise, but that’s asking for way too much at this stage as both are returning from serious long-term injuries, severely lacking match fitness, confidence, including everything else that comes with a major injury setback. Perhaps at the US open. One can always hope.
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Apu
May 13, 2022
I loved this write up – having not watched the movie nor read the book, I totally understand why the movie needs to be criticized for normalizing toxic behavior by subtly gaining admiration for the toxic person.
I am also surprised by Akhilan’s constant praise/support for toxic bosses and managers – the power play is abusive and anyone who thinks that toxicity is beneficial to creating character of fully grown human beings, is probably kidding themselves for putting up with it.
I stopped putting up with unreasonable toxic abusive behavior when I accepted that I was not a slave, but an employee and I don’t need to bother with my managers tantrums.
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Madan
May 13, 2022
Apu : I agree word for word with everything you have said. 🙂 You have got exactly what I wanted to convey, the complete essence.
I think that for those who have not experienced this particular brand of toxicity, it is difficult to differentiate that from long hours and overwork which they reason is common everywhere (and nothing remarkable to upbraid Ms Wintour or other such toxic bosses over). Now that shouldn’t be either but it is and in professions important for society like healthcare. But those who have endured a boss who reduces every interaction with their juniors to a power tussle and do this by intentionally misdirecting their efforts, will recognize and relate to what I said. As I did when I read the book and found it felt like a diary entry of my own toxic management experience. And this is certainly not “all CEOs” and in fact every other senior personnel (CEO/COO/CFO) I have interacted or worked with in all other assignments were cordial to the core especially when talking to those who did not directly report to them because they used their power with discretion and weren’t addicted to it.
And yes, there will be some who survived this for so long that they start justifying it to themselves as a means of providing themselves solace. Stockholm syndrome, you could call it. But as you said, an employee is not a slave but simply someone who has a full time service contract with an organisation and organisations that remember this will get more out of their employees.
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Satya
May 13, 2022
There is a highly watched video that analyzes Priestley as a ‘defence of perfectionism’ and when I read the comments praising the character, I feel like correcting them…and I remember that I would have been part of the chorus had I not read the book!
Even without reading the book, I find Miranda highly problematic. Why is something you have already put together in a way better than me.
I believe, irrespective of the message being given, the tone is everything. Take a Michael Scott from The Office who is problematic too, but the show’s tone and Michael’s decisions at times kind of redeem him. But here, there is nothing Miranda contributes to Andy’s career growth beyond being a nuisance. And that resonated really well with me, during my stint in a banking company (I then landed a new job 6 months ago).
If someone feels tough love is good, let me tell them, don’t think it is good when that comes from your boss / manager. He / She is the last person one should be expecting that from. And yeah, when you leave the organisation, do make it a point to let them know how you felt – because if they left a lasting impact on you, the onus is on you to let them know what they have done. Give them the consequences, good or bad.
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Madan
May 13, 2022
Satya : The ending of the movie basically gaslights Andy. Sort of making her feel like Miranda was a coconut after all and she misunderstood her. This is typical. And the final scene where they look at each other and smile is a classic Hollywood ending except it is contrived here as there is nothing previous in the movie (other than a positive reference from Miranda) that justifies it. But yes, there are many aspects of Miranda even as shown in the movie that are problematic which is why I have difficulty accepting the defence of perfectionism argument. Getting personal work done under metaphorical gunpoint is lala company culture, not perfectionism.
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Akhilan
May 13, 2022
Hey Apu, yeah so as I tried to explain to Madan, it’s just about your perspective, how you see things, what you choose to believe, and of course your personal experiences that inform your thoughts, feelings, and consequently, your expression of the said thoughts and feelings. I enjoyed reading Madan’s write-up myself. It’s really well-written, but we just happen to come from different points of views, and the discussion here I guess helped the both of us to understand (at least to a certain extent) where each of us is coming from. What I find particularly problematic with your comment Apu, is this part: “I am also surprised by Akhilan’s constant praise/support for toxic bosses and manager… anyone who thinks that toxicity is beneficial to creating character of fully grown human beings, is probably kidding themselves for putting up with it.” I think you have to be a bit careful about generalizing here because not once in my comments did I defend ‘toxicity’ at the workplace, say that one should put up with such kind of behavior if they feel really strongly about it, or go on some kind of campaign for all the ‘toxic’ managers/bosses out there in world. I was only trying to express how the movie and specifically, Miranda’s character made me feel and why the movie and Miranda’s character made me feel this way (all in a vacuum that is the movie). Some might indeed find Miranda’s character to be ‘toxic’ and ‘abusive’, but that does not mean I should see or feel the same way about her. I loved Miranda’s character (not just in terms of Streep’s portrayal, but Miranda’s actual character and personality in and of itself), had absolutely no issues with it, and felt it was (amongst other things) enamoring and also slightly romantic at the same. This is my takeaway from the movie and will remain so. Therefore, just because we happen to stand on opposite sides of the spectrum should not invalidate my takeaway/experience or yours.
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KayKay
May 13, 2022
Great write up Madan! Saw this movie years ago in a hotel room. Found it to be merely okay-ish except for Streep’s terrific performance. You raise good points to which I’ll add, that in addition to the reasons you’ve outlined, Streep may also have been reluctant to play Priestly as an absolutely loathsome she-devil because of her stardom. Like India, Hollywood stars are (usually) reluctant to play outright monsters once they’ve ascended to a certain level of critical or commercial acclaim. They’ll take a negative role, but it’ll need to have some redeeming features like said character is suave, debonair, sexy or witty. Like Anthony Hopkins was fine to play a serial killer but it was Lecter who was cultured and articulate. If asked, I doubt he’d have agreed to play the other serial killer Buffalo Bill, who was truly monstrous with no redeeming qualities (killing women for their skins). Sam L Jackson played a very loathsome character in Django but it also gave him many scenery chewing scenes.
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Madan
May 13, 2022
KayKay: That is a very good point and I agree. DeNiro has played absolutely vile villains like Al Capone or Max Cady but he has had an anti-hero thing going right from the beginning (unlike Hopkins).
There is also an ‘artifice of balance’ that critics often seek from cinema which probably influenced the choices of Streep and the director. Like, they demand characters should be balanced. So, on the flipside, if the character is very goody-goody, they will rue the absence of any shades of grey. They don’t seem to understand that first of all, even artistically, making every character grey is boring in its own way and secondly, it may not be representative when it’s based on real events. Neerja was criticized for showing only the ‘good side’ of Neerja Bhanot but we don’t know if there was any known bad side that really merited being shown in a movie.
Likewise, the makers of Prada seemed to feel that the book characterisation of Priestly was too ‘one sided’ (Streep’s words) without appreciating that perhaps the balance was 90-10 or 80-20 rather than 60-40 in the case of that character. I don’t mean to bring in Godwin’s law but if you take the idea of balance far enough, you could devote half the screen time of a movie on Hitler to his love for animals. That is, as I said, a mere artifice of balance. It is not a ‘true’ balance because it doesn’t reflect the reality of who Hitler was.
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Anu Warrier
May 13, 2022
Apu, standing ovation. That’s essentially my take as well. Anna Wintour’s toxicity is legendary in fashion circles here, pretty much the open secret that Harvey Weinstein’s predatory behaviour was. But no one will talk openly because of the power they wield/wielded.
Taken as simply a movie, The Devil Wears Prada was watchable for Streep and Hathaway. Knowing who it is based on, makes it extremely problematic for the slant it takes.
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Anu Warrier
May 13, 2022
p.s Wintour has, as recently as 2020, been accused of fostering toxic racism in the workplace, Pay disparities between the White employees and employees of colour; overqualified POCs underpaid for their work, derogatory remarks… they were all par for the course. NYTimes had an exposé back in 2020. The movie barely scratched the surface of the toxic work environment at Vogue – still prevalent, by the way.
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Madan
July 3, 2022
Thought this would be an apt spot to post my third and final story of the competition.
https://notionpress.com/story/ssc/20622/note-to-self#
About a middle aged man sent on VRS reflecting on how he got here.
If you like it, pl leave a rating (at the bottom of the page) and do circulate to others who may enjoy it too.
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