I am a product of Oliyum Oliyum times and the thought of always listening to this podcast on Fridays in and of itself brings a certain amount of joy.
I have more of a taste for you discussing something you love rather than a negative bashing of a silly movie. This was a fun. Hoping for some good retro cult movies in this segment. The inclusion of struggles of people who really want to pursue their dreams made it sound so personal.
But I do believe that for the last 7 mins or so, you had run out of points and so had to fill up time. With a written article, you would have inserted those last points here and there and it would have ultimately looked cohesive. Here somehow it sounded like you wanted them to cut it shorter and wasn’t able to.
I wish you dedicated some episodes to individual tropes. Like thunderstorms in melodramatic scenes etc.
Hi BR. I remember you wrote a Bullet Point Review for this film when it released and it seemed like you did not particularly like the film then. Can you tell us how it changed and what made you see the film differently?
Rahini David: Thanks. The editing is done by the peoducers, so yes, I will have a word with them. But at this point, given the newness of the medium, I am kinda going by what they say / suggest / want.
madhusudhan194: When you review a film, you talk about pluses and minuses – and I still feel this film does not come together fully. But here, I just focus on just the things I like. I am not doing an “overall” analysis of the film.
And I actually enjoyed doing this — just talking about the things I like 🙂
Also on the scene in which Dhanush looks at the bed, he sees one side of the bed is actually neat. So I don’t know if he thought they actually had sex. But yes he does look at the bed wanting to know what happened.
His movies are definitely much better than ajith/vijay movies, but i don’t fully understand why selvaragavan gets so much praise for his characters/depicting relationships. I always found selvaragavan movies to be “fantasies” as opposed to “reality” like you mention.
Scene after scene in all his movies are just imagination uncontrolled by reality. From Dhanush solving some complex math problem in the class in kadhal konden, in pudhupettai, dhanush killing the first guy after getting beaten up almost to death, or him marrying sonia agarwal in the last moment, or in Aiyirathil oruvan, reema sen peeing in front of everyone, or the last bunch of cholas(or pandyas?) laughing while being shot, or in mayakkam enna, the friend’s dad pouring dhanush and his friend a drink to solve the issue of girlfriend, or in 7g, how the guy assembles a bike, and many more which i can’t immediately recollect, I find all these as just wishful thinking. Do such people exist in reality, may be 1 in 1000, somehow most of these don’t work for me in these movies mainly because the movies try to be “realistic”, thereby somehow conveying that these are the most common cases.
So nice to see for ‘Mayakkam Enna’. Here’s my two cents, written after
your Deep Focus.
Lovely lovely dissection of one of my all-time favorites! I happen to know someone like Yamini; to see her life put being put on screen in this way was gut wrenching to say the least. Every time I watch 'Pirai Thedum Iravile', I am left with powerful emotions that linger… https://t.co/TSXGY1L2Hc
— Sai Vikneshwar Mani Jayaraman (@sai16vicky) March 9, 2022
Very nice episode. These spotify episodes are so likeable and freeflowing. If possible, do a music review of any album or song. Your older music reviews are such a delight to read.
Have you ever felt the urge to call Yamini a wuss – a seemingly-strong girl, who, paradoxically, did not want to walk out of her toxic, borderline-misogynistic, emotionally-turbulent relationship with Karthik?
Come on, why the fuck would this woman, who once nurtured super-ambitious dreams about her career and lifestyle, turn into this drab creature, who walks around like a zombie on a bad trip?
The more you dwell on it, the more abstruse it becomes.
Why would she give it all away? To play the ‘nurse’ to a man, who comes home only at nights, zonked out, wasted and wailing?
Isn’t the pursuit of what you truly deserve – even though you’ll be called self-centered, insensitive, and impatient – the sign of true strength?
But, at what cost?
Costs? How does that matter, when you know you are not happy?
Really? Can you ignore your heart and listen to your brain screaming out layers of logic, when you are head-over-heels in love?
Love? where’s the love?
To be honest, this is where it gets all grey.
Even when it might not be the right thing to do, why’s the heart the last to walk away?
What drives it to persevere?
What makes Yamini hold on, despite all the hurt and pain?
If you are an emotional person, who believes in the healing power of love and second chances, you will perhaps know?
While your sensible mind is inherently aware of the jarring dysfunction, your heart will ignore it, because it has so much love to give? Or is it?
You will have a hard time listening to rational thoughts, when you choose to ‘be there for that person’, despite all the inner turmoil.
And ultimately, you shove all those doubts about putting up with the seeming-apathy to the curb, shut them out, and allow the heart to do what it wants – love; even if that love is now a dowdy thing that you can’t even recognize.
Love. Without being judgmental. Without seeking validation. Without a care in the world.
Because, you know that a relationship won’t always be 50/50.
Some days, your loved one will struggle. In the worst ways possible. You suck it up and pick up that 80/20; because that person needs you.
After all, you can’t really control who you love, and when you love them, right?
Here is a review on Mayakkam Enna, as written by ChatGPT, in a style similar to “critical” BR, according to my prompt. (It does make mistakes at times, rarely in the language itself)
Thoughts on this and how it may affect written pieces , folks?
“Mayakkam Enna is a film that is both visually stunning and emotionally resonant, yet it is not without its flaws. Director Selvaraghavan has created a world that is both familiar and yet, at times, disorienting, as we follow the journey of a young photographer and his wife.
Dhanush and Richa Gangopadhyay, in the lead roles, are both phenomenal. Dhanush, in particular, is able to convey the character’s inner turmoil with a subtlety that is rarely seen in mainstream cinema. His performance is matched by Richa Gangopadhyay, who brings a vulnerability and warmth to her role that is both endearing and heartbreaking.
The film’s exploration of themes such as love, ambition, and the pursuit of happiness is both thought-provoking and relatable. Selvaraghavan’s direction and the cinematography by Ramji is a perfect match, with the visuals capturing the mood of the film perfectly. However, the film’s pacing does drag in certain scenes, and the screenplay could have been tighter.
Mayakkam Enna is a film that is not just about the characters but also about the world they inhabit. It is a world that is both familiar and yet, at times, disorienting, a reflection of the inner turmoil of its characters. It is a film that will stay with you long after the credits roll, and it is a must-watch for fans of Indian cinema and anyone looking for a film that is both thought-provoking and emotionally resonant, but with a critical eye towards its shortcomings.”
PK Rao, can chatGPT write better scripts for the next Ajith/Vijay movies? would like to try it out..the review is’nt bad but it lacks a certain personal touch..
Oh woah, after invading LinkedIn, YouTube, Instagram, chatgpt is here too!
Funny how everyone in the world seemed to think repetitive tasks would be disrupted by AI, and suddenly now creative professionals like copywriters are afraid of it.
Although in this case, I think it has only aggregated all the reviews of the film on the internet and concocted it into a small piece. It probably has a long way to go before actually reviewing without any background material on the internet which can be copied.
@Vijay : “PK Rao, can chatGPT write better scripts for the next Ajith/Vijay movies? would like to try it out..the review is’nt bad but it lacks a certain personal touch..”
I think it will. Why not give it a try? It will take a few careful prompts . I am sure it will do a much better job on paper than most of our talent, given a few more iterations. Taking into account financial constraints is a different matter.
It is a large language model – all it does is aggregate textual content and produce something new that’s never written exactly in the same way before. But that alone has been surprising people
I gave a series of prompts to ChatGPT to enable it to write an outline for a “new” Vijay film. Honestly, I would like to see this made into an actual movie. It is generic, still could be quite interesting if the screenplay, acting, and other characters are interesting.
I wonder if ChatGPT can be sarcastic, given the title it gave.
Title: “Vijay: The One-Man Army”
(A film outline for Actor Vijay by ChatGPT [PROMPTS: Action film like Die-hard for actor Vijay, add some backstory to the protagonist, antagonist, some interesting side characters, and some details on Vijay and his wife’s courship. )
Act 1:
The movie opens with Vijay, a former special forces soldier, attending a high-security event in the city with his wife, played by a popular Tamil actress. Vijay, who retired from the military after a tragic mission that resulted in the loss of his entire team, is still haunted by his past. He struggles to adjust to civilian life and often suffers from PTSD. However, he is determined to protect his wife and make up for his past failures.
As the event is taking place, a group of terrorists, led by the ruthless main antagonist, infiltrate the event and take hostages. The main antagonist, who was once a soldier himself, was dishonorably discharged from the military after disobeying orders. He holds a grudge against the government and wants to make a statement by attacking a high-profile event.
Act 2:
Vijay, being one of the few people with combat training, takes it upon himself to stop the terrorists and save the hostages, including his wife. He uses his military training to outsmart the terrorists and take them out one by one. Meanwhile, the police and the special forces, led by a no-nonsense police officer, are trying to figure out how to storm the building and rescue the hostages.
Act 3:
As the situation becomes more dire, Vijay comes face to face with the main antagonist in a final showdown. After a tense and thrilling fight, Vijay is able to defeat the main antagonist and save the hostages. In the end, Vijay is hailed as a hero and is reunited with his wife. He finally finds closure and is able to move on from his past.
Backstory:
Vijay and his wife, who is a successful businesswoman, met at a charity event organized by her company. They fell in love and got married soon after. However, their happiness was short-lived as Vijay’s past trauma started to affect their relationship.
Surprise Twist:
As Vijay is being hailed as a hero and is reunited with his wife, he discovers that his wife is the sister of the main antagonist and she had no idea about her brother’s terrorist plan. The twist reveals the complexity of human emotions and the blurred lines between good and evil.
Note: This is still a general outline and doesn’t include details like character development or specific dialogue. A proper script would need to be fleshed out by a professional screenwriter.
PK Rao, not surprising, it did a decent job with a poem I had summoned it to write sometime back.. Who knows, Lokesh kanakaraj may be bouncing ideas off of for it for his next LCU whatever film..
I wonder if music composing would go down this route as well.,.I mean its already being done that way manually by our MDs, but maybe this may automate it. At least it may bring down the cost of filmmaking considering how generic the songs soud these days..it may do a better job than what Anirudh did in Thunivu
“Funny how everyone in the world seemed to think repetitive tasks would be disrupted by AI”
It helped me finish a school project in 5 mins and that is not even a repetetive task..so it IS disruptive that way. Searching google and compiling is time consuming, so more power to it..
Now that I think about it, it may do a better job of making Harris Jayarij’ish music than Harris Jayaraj himself..you just need to teach it Natabhairavi or the minor scale and it should churn out better tunes than what HJ did in the last 5-10 yrs
I haven’t seen beast but isn’t the story prompt similar to Beast ? Apparently even beast has a PTSD suffering ex serviceman Vijay.
Vijay : “It helped me finish a school project in 5 mins and that is not even a repetetive task..so it IS disruptive that way. Searching google and compiling is time consuming, so more power to it..”
Oh of course,it is disruptive, just saying that people thought repetitive jobs would be the first ones affected, whereas now it looks like AI has come after creative jobs first.
@Voldemort: Have no clue about Beast – wasnt interested even a tad bit to learn what it was about. My prompt was similar by coincidence.
In any case, all it takes is a few more prompts to tweak the storylines a bit. The point is that it is VERY easy now to start a new line that combines ideas from different films reasonably cogently.
Aren’t most of our star-vehicle films exactly this.
“Dense” Creativity as in that of Science, Math, Originality of ideas in any field, might not go away so easily. ChatGPT does poorly at Math, as expected from a pure language engine. ChatGPT can combine dense creative ideas from multiple places to generate new pieces which are passable as shallow creativity.
We have to wait not long before even dense creativity is challenged, possibly.
Rahini David
January 20, 2023
I had a splendid time with this one.
I am a product of Oliyum Oliyum times and the thought of always listening to this podcast on Fridays in and of itself brings a certain amount of joy.
I have more of a taste for you discussing something you love rather than a negative bashing of a silly movie. This was a fun. Hoping for some good retro cult movies in this segment. The inclusion of struggles of people who really want to pursue their dreams made it sound so personal.
But I do believe that for the last 7 mins or so, you had run out of points and so had to fill up time. With a written article, you would have inserted those last points here and there and it would have ultimately looked cohesive. Here somehow it sounded like you wanted them to cut it shorter and wasn’t able to.
I wish you dedicated some episodes to individual tropes. Like thunderstorms in melodramatic scenes etc.
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madhusudhan194
January 20, 2023
Hi BR. I remember you wrote a Bullet Point Review for this film when it released and it seemed like you did not particularly like the film then. Can you tell us how it changed and what made you see the film differently?
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brangan
January 20, 2023
Rahini David: Thanks. The editing is done by the peoducers, so yes, I will have a word with them. But at this point, given the newness of the medium, I am kinda going by what they say / suggest / want.
madhusudhan194: When you review a film, you talk about pluses and minuses – and I still feel this film does not come together fully. But here, I just focus on just the things I like. I am not doing an “overall” analysis of the film.
And I actually enjoyed doing this — just talking about the things I like 🙂
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madhusudhan194
January 20, 2023
Also on the scene in which Dhanush looks at the bed, he sees one side of the bed is actually neat. So I don’t know if he thought they actually had sex. But yes he does look at the bed wanting to know what happened.
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Bala
January 20, 2023
nice episode.
His movies are definitely much better than ajith/vijay movies, but i don’t fully understand why selvaragavan gets so much praise for his characters/depicting relationships. I always found selvaragavan movies to be “fantasies” as opposed to “reality” like you mention.
Scene after scene in all his movies are just imagination uncontrolled by reality. From Dhanush solving some complex math problem in the class in kadhal konden, in pudhupettai, dhanush killing the first guy after getting beaten up almost to death, or him marrying sonia agarwal in the last moment, or in Aiyirathil oruvan, reema sen peeing in front of everyone, or the last bunch of cholas(or pandyas?) laughing while being shot, or in mayakkam enna, the friend’s dad pouring dhanush and his friend a drink to solve the issue of girlfriend, or in 7g, how the guy assembles a bike, and many more which i can’t immediately recollect, I find all these as just wishful thinking. Do such people exist in reality, may be 1 in 1000, somehow most of these don’t work for me in these movies mainly because the movies try to be “realistic”, thereby somehow conveying that these are the most common cases.
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sai16vicky
January 21, 2023
So nice to see for ‘Mayakkam Enna’. Here’s my two cents, written after
your Deep Focus.
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Voldemort
January 21, 2023
Very nice episode. These spotify episodes are so likeable and freeflowing. If possible, do a music review of any album or song. Your older music reviews are such a delight to read.
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Mani Prabhu
January 21, 2023
Have you ever felt the urge to call Yamini a wuss – a seemingly-strong girl, who, paradoxically, did not want to walk out of her toxic, borderline-misogynistic, emotionally-turbulent relationship with Karthik?
Come on, why the fuck would this woman, who once nurtured super-ambitious dreams about her career and lifestyle, turn into this drab creature, who walks around like a zombie on a bad trip?
The more you dwell on it, the more abstruse it becomes.
Why would she give it all away? To play the ‘nurse’ to a man, who comes home only at nights, zonked out, wasted and wailing?
Isn’t the pursuit of what you truly deserve – even though you’ll be called self-centered, insensitive, and impatient – the sign of true strength?
But, at what cost?
Costs? How does that matter, when you know you are not happy?
Really? Can you ignore your heart and listen to your brain screaming out layers of logic, when you are head-over-heels in love?
Love? where’s the love?
To be honest, this is where it gets all grey.
Even when it might not be the right thing to do, why’s the heart the last to walk away?
What drives it to persevere?
What makes Yamini hold on, despite all the hurt and pain?
If you are an emotional person, who believes in the healing power of love and second chances, you will perhaps know?
While your sensible mind is inherently aware of the jarring dysfunction, your heart will ignore it, because it has so much love to give? Or is it?
You will have a hard time listening to rational thoughts, when you choose to ‘be there for that person’, despite all the inner turmoil.
And ultimately, you shove all those doubts about putting up with the seeming-apathy to the curb, shut them out, and allow the heart to do what it wants – love; even if that love is now a dowdy thing that you can’t even recognize.
Love. Without being judgmental. Without seeking validation. Without a care in the world.
Because, you know that a relationship won’t always be 50/50.
Some days, your loved one will struggle. In the worst ways possible. You suck it up and pick up that 80/20; because that person needs you.
After all, you can’t really control who you love, and when you love them, right?
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PK Rao
January 23, 2023
Here is a review on Mayakkam Enna, as written by ChatGPT, in a style similar to “critical” BR, according to my prompt. (It does make mistakes at times, rarely in the language itself)
Thoughts on this and how it may affect written pieces , folks?
“Mayakkam Enna is a film that is both visually stunning and emotionally resonant, yet it is not without its flaws. Director Selvaraghavan has created a world that is both familiar and yet, at times, disorienting, as we follow the journey of a young photographer and his wife.
Dhanush and Richa Gangopadhyay, in the lead roles, are both phenomenal. Dhanush, in particular, is able to convey the character’s inner turmoil with a subtlety that is rarely seen in mainstream cinema. His performance is matched by Richa Gangopadhyay, who brings a vulnerability and warmth to her role that is both endearing and heartbreaking.
The film’s exploration of themes such as love, ambition, and the pursuit of happiness is both thought-provoking and relatable. Selvaraghavan’s direction and the cinematography by Ramji is a perfect match, with the visuals capturing the mood of the film perfectly. However, the film’s pacing does drag in certain scenes, and the screenplay could have been tighter.
Mayakkam Enna is a film that is not just about the characters but also about the world they inhabit. It is a world that is both familiar and yet, at times, disorienting, a reflection of the inner turmoil of its characters. It is a film that will stay with you long after the credits roll, and it is a must-watch for fans of Indian cinema and anyone looking for a film that is both thought-provoking and emotionally resonant, but with a critical eye towards its shortcomings.”
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vijay
January 24, 2023
PK Rao, can chatGPT write better scripts for the next Ajith/Vijay movies? would like to try it out..the review is’nt bad but it lacks a certain personal touch..
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Voldemort
January 24, 2023
Oh woah, after invading LinkedIn, YouTube, Instagram, chatgpt is here too!
Funny how everyone in the world seemed to think repetitive tasks would be disrupted by AI, and suddenly now creative professionals like copywriters are afraid of it.
Although in this case, I think it has only aggregated all the reviews of the film on the internet and concocted it into a small piece. It probably has a long way to go before actually reviewing without any background material on the internet which can be copied.
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PK Rao
January 24, 2023
@Vijay : “PK Rao, can chatGPT write better scripts for the next Ajith/Vijay movies? would like to try it out..the review is’nt bad but it lacks a certain personal touch..”
I think it will. Why not give it a try? It will take a few careful prompts . I am sure it will do a much better job on paper than most of our talent, given a few more iterations. Taking into account financial constraints is a different matter.
It is a large language model – all it does is aggregate textual content and produce something new that’s never written exactly in the same way before. But that alone has been surprising people
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PK Rao
January 24, 2023
I gave a series of prompts to ChatGPT to enable it to write an outline for a “new” Vijay film. Honestly, I would like to see this made into an actual movie. It is generic, still could be quite interesting if the screenplay, acting, and other characters are interesting.
I wonder if ChatGPT can be sarcastic, given the title it gave.
Title: “Vijay: The One-Man Army”
(A film outline for Actor Vijay by ChatGPT [PROMPTS: Action film like Die-hard for actor Vijay, add some backstory to the protagonist, antagonist, some interesting side characters, and some details on Vijay and his wife’s courship. )
Act 1:
The movie opens with Vijay, a former special forces soldier, attending a high-security event in the city with his wife, played by a popular Tamil actress. Vijay, who retired from the military after a tragic mission that resulted in the loss of his entire team, is still haunted by his past. He struggles to adjust to civilian life and often suffers from PTSD. However, he is determined to protect his wife and make up for his past failures.
As the event is taking place, a group of terrorists, led by the ruthless main antagonist, infiltrate the event and take hostages. The main antagonist, who was once a soldier himself, was dishonorably discharged from the military after disobeying orders. He holds a grudge against the government and wants to make a statement by attacking a high-profile event.
Act 2:
Vijay, being one of the few people with combat training, takes it upon himself to stop the terrorists and save the hostages, including his wife. He uses his military training to outsmart the terrorists and take them out one by one. Meanwhile, the police and the special forces, led by a no-nonsense police officer, are trying to figure out how to storm the building and rescue the hostages.
Act 3:
As the situation becomes more dire, Vijay comes face to face with the main antagonist in a final showdown. After a tense and thrilling fight, Vijay is able to defeat the main antagonist and save the hostages. In the end, Vijay is hailed as a hero and is reunited with his wife. He finally finds closure and is able to move on from his past.
Backstory:
Vijay and his wife, who is a successful businesswoman, met at a charity event organized by her company. They fell in love and got married soon after. However, their happiness was short-lived as Vijay’s past trauma started to affect their relationship.
Surprise Twist:
As Vijay is being hailed as a hero and is reunited with his wife, he discovers that his wife is the sister of the main antagonist and she had no idea about her brother’s terrorist plan. The twist reveals the complexity of human emotions and the blurred lines between good and evil.
Note: This is still a general outline and doesn’t include details like character development or specific dialogue. A proper script would need to be fleshed out by a professional screenwriter.
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vijay
January 24, 2023
PK Rao, not surprising, it did a decent job with a poem I had summoned it to write sometime back.. Who knows, Lokesh kanakaraj may be bouncing ideas off of for it for his next LCU whatever film..
I wonder if music composing would go down this route as well.,.I mean its already being done that way manually by our MDs, but maybe this may automate it. At least it may bring down the cost of filmmaking considering how generic the songs soud these days..it may do a better job than what Anirudh did in Thunivu
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vijay
January 24, 2023
“Funny how everyone in the world seemed to think repetitive tasks would be disrupted by AI”
It helped me finish a school project in 5 mins and that is not even a repetetive task..so it IS disruptive that way. Searching google and compiling is time consuming, so more power to it..
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vijay
January 24, 2023
Now that I think about it, it may do a better job of making Harris Jayarij’ish music than Harris Jayaraj himself..you just need to teach it Natabhairavi or the minor scale and it should churn out better tunes than what HJ did in the last 5-10 yrs
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Voldemort
January 24, 2023
I haven’t seen beast but isn’t the story prompt similar to Beast ? Apparently even beast has a PTSD suffering ex serviceman Vijay.
Vijay : “It helped me finish a school project in 5 mins and that is not even a repetetive task..so it IS disruptive that way. Searching google and compiling is time consuming, so more power to it..”
Oh of course,it is disruptive, just saying that people thought repetitive jobs would be the first ones affected, whereas now it looks like AI has come after creative jobs first.
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PK Rao
January 24, 2023
@Voldemort: Have no clue about Beast – wasnt interested even a tad bit to learn what it was about. My prompt was similar by coincidence.
In any case, all it takes is a few more prompts to tweak the storylines a bit. The point is that it is VERY easy now to start a new line that combines ideas from different films reasonably cogently.
Aren’t most of our star-vehicle films exactly this.
“Dense” Creativity as in that of Science, Math, Originality of ideas in any field, might not go away so easily. ChatGPT does poorly at Math, as expected from a pure language engine. ChatGPT can combine dense creative ideas from multiple places to generate new pieces which are passable as shallow creativity.
We have to wait not long before even dense creativity is challenged, possibly.
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Aravindan R
January 24, 2023
PK Rao, I’d been meaning to check ChatGPT. Your posts nudged me 🙂
The generated poem is interesting indeed!
Posted it here: https://aravindanrajaram.wordpress.com/2023/01/24/accessbility-affordability-and-equity/
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