In the earlier Bitty Ruminations thread, tamil thanos asked: @BR , a question from your Mani Ratnam podcast. Towards the end, you mention that he is a naturalistic filmmaker and not a realistic filmmaker. Can you elaborate on it? Don’t naturalism and realism go hand in hand? In the case of battle scenes, wouldn’t filming it like the Battle of Bastards in GOT make more sense?
Now, (from the web): Realism was an art movement that largely embraced the world around us in a way that tells the truth of what is actually happening instead of dressing up certain subjects with more lively colors or other elements that are more aesthetically pleasing.
So this is not about any single director. Take Kaala. Pa Ranjith deliberately dresses the hero in black and the villain in white to make a symbolic point. So, he is using a cinematic tool at his disposal (colour) to say something. And he is presenting a tale with real-life resonances in a “non-realistic” way. That is, in “real life”, the characters could just be wearing a multi-colour lungi or some such thing.
So this departure from “real life”, this manipulation — using the cinematographer, the actors, the editor, the production designer, the sound engineer — can be done in many ways. It can be melodramatic (think of how Visu used dialogues). It can be Romantic (Bhansali). Or, in Mani Ratnam’s case (and in the case of some other directors), it can be “naturalistic” — in the sense that, even with the exaggerations, he tries to be natural.
Take this passage about Aaydha Ezhuthu/Yuva, from the Conversations book:
BR: You use specific colour coding for the (milieus of the) characters – red for Lallan/Inba, green for the Michaels, and blue for the Arjuns.
MR: This was an opportunity to do a three-in-one kind of film. There were three stories and yet it was part of the same theme – three people from three walks of life. It was possible to treat each of the three stories in different shades depending on where they were born and what they were made of. One was in browns and reds – basically someone who is really in the lower end of the social spectrum and with a certain amount of violence built into him. Ajay’s track and Suriya’s track is in green because they represent hope, somebody who looks at the future, who is looking at ways of taking us into the future. And the other one – the one in blue – is somebody who thinks that he is cool, laidback and chilled out, very today, not affected by anything. That is what we tried to represent.
In fact, for a short while, I was even contemplating calling the film Traffic Signal. That was the working title we had, as there were three different colours. So it always had… I mean the story allowed for a clear demarcation between the three. The way it was shot and the way it was cut had small differences. There were different kinds of lensing, different kinds of editing patterns used. The way Abhishek’s and Madhavan’s scenes are shot is kind of jerky, with a lot of hand-helds, and the way these scenes are cut is within the same axis – we just go closer and closer. We get a glimpse of him and yet we don’t have it. It’s kind of elusive. It’s kind of concentric frames that go deeper and deeper inside. It’s a cut that’s not conventional. Whereas with Ajay and Suriya, the scenes are more or less smooth, with lengthier flow. The shots are longer and there’s no jerky cutting. The Vivek and Siddharth portion is really modern. It’s a little psychedelic in the way it’s shot, with fast frames and these flares coming in. It had a lot of things that are a little more kinetic than the other segments. It was not classical. Rarely do you pick a subject that gives you a structure that lets you experiment with three different styles and merge them together.
END OF PASSAGE
Now, there is nothing that says a violent man’s house/decor/clothing should be in shades of red. But that’s the way MR and his team saw it. So, too, the editing choices.
So he takes a “real” situation, and exaggerates/enhances it — but the result (especially the acting, the dialogue delivery) is as “natural” as possible, as close to being real without really being real.
An example of Realism and Naturalism (as I define it) below, with both scenes having two actors.
In the Rudraiah film (Aval Appaidthan), the camera is still, there are no cutaways, there’s no music, and — most interestingly — no over-the-shoulder shots (usually used to indicate the other presence as one of them is speaking).
Now, contrast this with the terrific boat scene from PS-1. Even with the enhancements (the shot/reverse shot edit pattern, with over-the-shoulder shots, the drama of colour and props), the scene plays so… real… though we know it is not “realistic”.
(Again, this is not to say one style is better. I just wanted to talk about the two styles, is all.)
(I could not find another link to this scene, but hope you can click the link and watch it on YouTube.)
vijay
April 30, 2023
“So he takes a “real” situation, and exaggerates/enhances it — but the result (especially the acting, the dialogue delivery) is as “natural” as possible”
acting maybe..dialogue I dont think so..never been his strong suite, epsecially in his 80s/90s/ films pre-Sujatha. even in CCV it was an issue at times..
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tamil thanos
May 1, 2023
Thanks for the explanation BR. Are there any remaining Indian realistic filmmakers currently?
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brangan
May 1, 2023
tamil thanos: No, I don’t think so. A Vetri Maaran, for instance, may take “realistic” subjects, but he switches to slo-mo in the interval-block fight in ASURAN, and in VIDUTHALAI, he has this complex (and very obvious) single-shot opening with the train accident…
WRITER was one film that had a fair degree of realism (not fully). I think pure realism is found today only in extreme art films (remember the Dogme movement?), which are not really made here.
BTW, some people contrast realism with formalism, and that’s kinda what I meant by MR’s staging — of course, with the naturalism added. As in, he doesn’t just want to have two people talk. He wants to “stage” that talking using very formal means, and this has been happening right from MOUNA RAAGAM (recall that scene with Revathy going round and round the reception area at the hospital, with PC moving his camera from the middle of the area, looking out).
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hari prasad
May 1, 2023
Even Mari Selvaraj who did a realistic Pariyerum Perumal did those slo-mo , (and definitely not cringe inducing) hero glorification shots in Karnan.
Even in Pariyerum Perumal , we had surrealism in the form of Karuppi.
And speaking of Mari Selvaraj , I’m really excited to see what he’s gonna do with Vadivelu by pitting him against Fahadh Faasil..
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musical v
May 1, 2023
He is a natural actor means spontaneous?
He is a realistic actor means method acting?
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brangan
May 1, 2023
musical v: Actually, according to Stanislavski etc., it’s the reverse. Naturalism is the drawing of emotional memory (i.e. the Method) to show a form of live-in reality. So you are bringing “yourself” into someone else’s reality.
Whereas if you just behaved like the character would, that would be a form of the “Realism”, which is actually a kind of theatre movement (like how neo-realism is a cinema movement).
tamil thanos: I recalled an Indian film that might come under realism: MEEL PATHTHAR (also called MILESTONE).
https://www.filmcompanion.in/features/film-festivals/reviews/hindi-movies-review-meel-patthar-ivan-ayrs-sturdy-lyrical-character-study-premiere-baradwaj-rangan-suvinder-vicky
It’s a fantastic film, and it’s on Netflix.
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Karthik
May 1, 2023
Wouldn’t a film like Arun Karthick’s Nasir fall under realism?
In general, I feel like there’s a high degree of subjectivity in this distinction. Even a realistic film makes very specific cinematic choices– like the scene in Aval Appadithan too has Kamal and Rajini framed differently, there’s zoom-outs, there’s Rajni suddenly entering a frame. One can argue that these are “minimalistic” choices that dont draw attention, but the boat scene in PS-1 thanks to the music and the moving camera shots is openly flamboyant. With art, this is always subjective, where an academic might parse these distinctions through some commonly accepted “definition”, a regular viewer is purely going to evaluate a scene through the level of suspension of disbelief. There’s also the fact that viewers also have a history of watching certain kinds of movies, and a realistic cinema with its minimalism might just not connect with them. From the perspective of those viewers, the realism may not feel “real.”
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cinemaparadesio
May 3, 2023
this is highly enlightening. thanks for this post and the comments
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brangan
May 3, 2023
Karthik: Of course realism cannot be expected in mainstream cinema. But I wanted to explain how — in the large specrum of flavours of non-realistic cinema — MR’s approach is “naturalistic”. You don’t get the flamboyance of a Rajini or big-star movie. (His flamboyance lies in the visuals and staging, not the characterisation. Recall the “I am pregnant” scene in KAATRU VELIYIDAI.)
Even if the situation is melodramatic (eg Rahman tearing off his rudraksham beads in front of Jayachitra in PS1), the treatmernt is muted. You can almost sense Rahman spitting out the words with quiet anger instead of screaming at her.
And so on. I agree the average viewer won’t care about all this, but this blog is for cinephiles no? 🙂
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Karthik
May 3, 2023
His flamboyance lies in the visuals and staging, not the characterisation.
Definitely. With a minor caveat that his dialogue writing has always had a bit of “staginess” to it, repeated phrases, sharp put downs, and the like.
I agree the average viewer won’t care about all this, but this blog is for cinephiles no? 🙂
Well, I thought this blog is for turning the average viewers into cinephiles too..😉
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brangan
May 3, 2023
Karthik: I agree about the staginess of dialogues (MR’s version of a punch, a sharp swift blow of words). Again, in his newer phase, I feel they flow better and are not as staccato as before. (Though in those times, that style was a counter to the long dialogues of the era and were quite popular — I can’t see today’s viewers identifying much with that style.)
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Karthik
May 3, 2023
again, in his newer phase, I feel they flow better and are not as staccato as before.
That’s true. I have a feeling these days he might also be letting his actors reshape the dialogue on shoot (maybe not in PS-1/2), whereas in a Thalapathi or Nayagan, I’d be surprised if any of the dialogues were off script.
I like the stagey dialogues too, but those also age faster, especially when the rest of the drama is muted.
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shaviswa
May 5, 2023
Speaking about stagey dialogues, how would it have been had Sivaji Ganesan acted in a Mani Ratnam movie?
It would definitely have been a fun film to watch. Sadly MR’s peak happened much after Sivaji faded away.
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musical v
May 14, 2023
On mother’s day, I watched Mrs.Chatterjee vesus Norway which is sort of tribute to all mothers and motherhood. There is no other actress who can excel in emotional roles in a massy way than rani mukerjee. The film emotionally drained me. The second half is really much better than the first half because rani calms down and gives a restrained performance. Jim Sarbbh and the Kolkata judge are others who shone in this melodrama. No Norway, mend your ways. Empathise with cultural differences.
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musical v
May 14, 2023
Mrs.Chatterjee versus Norway is on netflix. Dahaad on Prime is also good. Vijay Varma steals the show as the serial killer. Cleopatra is watchable. Shankuntala is bad and laughable.
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Kaushik Bhattacharya
June 6, 2023
Thanks for the explanation BR, that was really helpful.
Of all Mani Ratnam’s films (post Iruvar), I found Kadal to be the most stagey/melodramatic and thereby a bit of a departure from his usual style. The casting, particularly Arjun, also felt like it was to suit that more bombastic (by MR standards) style.
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brangan
June 6, 2023
Kaushik Bhattacharya: Absolutely. KADAL is a big departure. If you notice, the rhythm itself (the writing, everything) is a little different. There’s almost a musical quality to the way the early Arjun/Arvind Swamy scenes are staged, with extremely short bursts of scenes.
I mean, what BIGGER subject can you get than God vs Satan? And the style was BIF, too. Sadly, the angel/redemptor portions of the screenplay (and the actress) did not work. Though I still enjoy parts of the second half, and the first half (minus the songs) is filled with some of Mani’s greatest filmmaking.
Even ALAIPAYUTHEY… the way the parents disown Shalini, throwing her suitcase from the upper floor onto the street… That, to me, is very melodramatic for Mani… and that was not a BIG movie at all. All the Shalin/parents scenes – they just do not work for me.
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