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I have seen both the series. highly entertaining. dialogues are too fast. But I am viewing it with sub titles. But I like “The Middle” better.

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Amit Joki

I’ve been meaning to ask and now that this thread has the reference to TV Series I am going to. Any House M.D fans in here?

I think Hugh Laurie may be the greatest TV actor. His “The Night Manager” was good too. Pity TV stars(read Joey Tribbiani, Ross, Chandler and Phoebe) don’t make the same name on the silver screen.

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nikkie1602

@amit joki:: a big fan of House here!!!! Phenomenal show…!

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Aman Basha

House MD,,,, God, one of the best Sherlock Holmes adaptations ever. Despite a highly predictable procedural element, though it only started becoming predictable a long way into the show it’s saved by the complex character of Dr. Gregory House, one of the most charismatic curmudgeons ever who makes every episode as fresh as ever. It also had a great ensemble with Lisa Cuddy, Wilson and House’s team all aiding the magnetic Laurie and standing up to him.

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vinjk

January 2, 2019

House MD was a good series. But I didn’t complete it. I watched upto season 3 or 4. After his initial team changed (chase, eric, cameron), I kind of lost interest.

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Amit Joki

January 2, 2019

@vinjk You’re missing a lot. It is probably the only series where even the new team had an arc. The new team are hard to accept initially because of the bond of the first one but they are quite good after that!

In fact, the best episode comes with the new team. The Wilson-House relation goes a notch higher and it is the best part really.

House grows a lot in the latter half of the series. Some of the best ones are Wilson’s Heart, House’s Head and Two Stories.

It’s a shame Lisa didn’t even come up for the finale though.

Do catch up if you can.

nikkie1602: Watch The Night Manager if you can. Absolutely brilliant as well with Hugh winning a Golden Globe for it. And it has Loki in the lead.

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praneshp

@vinjk: If you sunk time into 3 seasons, I think it’s worth watching till end of Season 4. The last two episodes of that season are as good as the show gets.

@Amit: Happy new year. Big fan of House MD (and Hugh Laurie) here! I don’t think it’s in the top-10 best shows I’ve watched, but I let it run all the time if I want some sound when I work. You might like this Fry and Laurie bit

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vinjk

@Amit Joki, @praneshp
I will definitely try to get started on House MD again. It seems Netflix removed it from their library!

Right now I am fully invested in Peaky Blinders…watched till season 2.

Hope it doesn’t disappoint in the future seasons!

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Sakkaravarthi Kaliannan

This is the best of Fry & Laurie hands down!!!!

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Amit Joki

praneshp: Happy new year!

Oh, I have looked all over for his content, that one and Black Adder, he was also in Friends (The One With Ross’ Wedding Part 2) and he is a lot like House in that little cameo he did!

Yes, it is a “comfort” show. Shows like House M.D and Friends can be seen any time. I was sad to see that this man with such potential had only very bland roles like ones in Stuart Little and such.

Karthick Subbaraj was looking for an Hollywood villain for his project with Dhanush. After watching The Night Manager, KS might do good to consider him for it.

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Jayram

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Madan

January 4, 2019

Jayram : Thanks for posting that. Loved him as Mr Palmer but then other than Hugh Grant nobody struck a false note in that movie.

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tonks

January 4, 2019

While I agree that House MD makes for dramatic viewing, I get impatient because there are too many medical inconsistencies. “When you make a rare diagnosis, you’re rarely correct”, goes a common adage. And every episode of House features diseases that are more over the top uncommon than the other (It’s never Lupus). Instead of arriving systematically and logically at a diagnosis, he has whims and flights of fancies and follows these up, and viola his hunches turn out to be true. Real life never plays out like that and that is practising poor medicine. And the kind of outrageous behaviour that is indulged in, can get one sued or beaten up, if this were real life. So House maybe entertainment, but needs to be taken in with huge pinches of salt.

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ramitbajaj01

January 4, 2019

@tonks- I agree. I too couldn’t get past a few episodes of House MD because of the reasons you listed.

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shaviswa

January 5, 2019

After watching a few episodes of House MD, I felt every episode was essentially the same – as they say in Tamil aracha maava araikkirathu.

And agree with Tonks…there was no attempt to make a systematic approach to diagnosis. It was like premonition or some kind of super power to be able to see through the problem and solve it. It is this aspect which made the series uninteresting. As a viewer there is no way you can deduce what the ailment is. Because there is no logic involved – so definitely not the same as a crime whodunnit where you are invested in the proceeds and are trying to solve the case with the clues provided.

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vinjk

January 5, 2019

I too lost interest in House MD but for a different reason than what tonks wrote. I don’t agree with tonks about the “whims and flights of fancies”. 1. you have to understand trying to diagnose common cold or anything common is not going to be interesting drama. They do show that in some episodes, but only to highlight the fact that Dr House hates these run of the mill jobs.
2. Only the most complicated and unsolved cases reach Dr House (or at least that’s one that is shown). In many episodes when the cases comes to him he outright rejects them or just looks at the file gives out his diagnosis. Only explaining to him those things have been ruled out does he get interested.
3. Medical diagnosis is not like writing a piece of software, with some fix sequence of steps to follow. Experience and intuition plays a huge role (not that software doesn’t need experience). So I can believe Dr House’s lack of answer to some cases and but works out a solution in his dream or drug hallucination. In fact I remember there is an episode where he doesn’t solve the case (one where the bra hook is contaminated…something like that. I can’t remember)
4. We always get the reasoning for his diagnosis in the episode. I think Dr. House himself explains to show off. This is very much in line with the character of Sherlock Holmes. He rarely gives out his thinking when he is solving the cases. But post-solving he explains. I guess not many people have a problem with Sherlock’s style.

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Rahul

If you are looking for a medical drama that would knock your socks off – go for “The Knick”. Clive Owen at his best. Would love to see what Tonks think of it – since its based on a real Doctor.

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Amit Joki

https://web.archive.org/web/20150117075644/http://www.politedissent.com/house_pd.html

“Instead of arriving systematically and logically at a diagnosis,”

First of all, the cases he chooses are the ones that any other run-off-the-mill doctors couldn’t figure out.

Secondly, the 2/3rds of the program, they ARE doing this systematically and logically (how could you miss the Whiteboard?).

Only after nothing works does House go to Wilson/others whose conversation tips him off. At this point which happens very late in the show, House has ruled out most of the low-hanging fruits.

And any reasonably good doctor would be able to, using a process of elimination and the combination of persisting symptoms, diagnose the problem.

“Real life never plays out like that and that is practising poor medicine. And the kind of outrageous behaviour that is indulged in, can get one sued or beaten up, if this were real life. So House maybe entertainment, but needs to be taken in with huge pinches of salt.”

There’s a variety of drama genres. Political Drama, Crime Drama, Period Drama and in that list is the Medical Drama. House MD isn’t a documentary and neither does it say that everything that’s shown in the show is accurature to the point of having the same happening in real life.

Why not take a drama for what it is? And House has rational explanations for his “outrageous” decisions. So has Sherlock, but we don’t take offense to that do we? The way Sherlock goes about his job (taking away evidence he saw and others couldn’t is confiscating evidence), if he was in real world, he would be in jail too.

Secondly, since you have said you’ve not watched more than first few seasons, let me tell you. House MD could be unaccountable for all his genius but the showmakers do make him accountable for his actions. He faces lawsuits a lot, which goes his way usually because he a) has rational reasons and b) the patient is saved. His life sucks in general, so yes he has suffered from his genius.

“After watching a few episodes of House MD, I felt every episode was essentially the same – as they say in Tamil aracha maava araikkirathu.”

That’s the very definition of a procedural.

And House MD isn’t what it is because of its intellectual part. But because of the emotional interplay between the characters. Each episode of House is more about his relationships with others than the cases he solve.

Each episode is funny, has drama, has great one-liners and House’s cynical world view and the bonhomie between him and Wilson.

I’d go as far as saying that the friendship of House and Wilson is the greatest that has been portrayed on screen of its kind. And Sherlock and Watson on whom House and Wilson are modelled on don’t even come close and that say’s something about the show.

And House M.D is the most accurate medical drama there is. It outperforms all others by a mile. Have a look at the reviews of each episode for its accuracy here by an actual doctor –

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Sifter

I liked this show too.

Also love The Good Place and Jessica Jones as well.

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Ramit

@Amit- from the link you posted. About the first episode of the series :

“I did have problems with the way the supposedly brilliant Dr. House arrived at his conclusions. There seemed to be no logic behind his deductions, he just seized on some minuscule fact and used it to concoct some untenable theory.”

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tonks