THE MADRAS MONGREL
FEB 8, 2009 – EVER SINCE I CAUGHT KATTRADHU THAMIZH on television, after having missed it during its theatrical run, I’ve been meaning to write about it. I disliked the film intensely, but in the weeks since, I’ve come to realise that this reaction isn’t simply the knee-jerk dismissal that you’d accord a rank bad piece of filmmaking. There are several aspects of this gory drama (by director Ram) that I don’t care for – for one, the choice of a bludgeon as the primary tool of communication – but something about the film continues to gnaw away at my insides, and that’s the unequivocal positioning of the language of Tamil Nadu as, simultaneously, a one-way ticket to nowhere as well as the provenance of great chauvinistic pride.
Prabhakar, the protagonist played by Jeeva with a fanatical glint in his eye, is a graduate in Tamil. Where someone with common sense, in these globalised times, would put himself (or herself) through an intensive computer course or master a fake call-centre accent and open a doorway to instant riches, Prabhakar opts to live by his convictions. He wants to make his living with his learning – and there, apparently, are no worthwhile jobs for practitioners of classical languages. Does it occur to the makers of the film that Prabhakar could take up an occupation in, say, any of the numerous local publications? Of course not – for that line of thinking would be practical, not pyromaniacal.
What Ram wants to do is follow the footsteps of one of the great heroines of the Tamils – he wants to scorch Madras to the ground for its apathy. He wants to raze down the software firms that fork over insane amounts of money to dude-wannabes, who lunch on burgers instead of biriyani. He bemoans the evils of globalisation that make it all but impossible for a Tamilian to live as one – in some sort of idealised womb safeguarded from the noxious fumes of the English language (and by extension, the adopted artifacts of Western civilisation). And he wants to reclaim the urban space that is Chennai for a populace of Tamil speakers that, apparently, can increasingly be found only in the rural landscapes of the state.
So when I was informed that this paper, this week, would be talking about urban issues in a thematic fashion, I could think of no better way to approach the subject than by invoking Kattradhu Thamizh and wondering why Tamil cinema is still so content to paint urban living (and the inevitable Westernisation that it entails) as a shameful pact with the devil. (There were times I felt Kattradhu Thamizh was attacking me, personally, for being Tamil and yet choosing to make a living by adopting another tongue. Truth be told, that’s perhaps why the film continues to fester away in some corner of the brain, because, at least for a second, it made me question my Tamil identity.)
Even in less incendiary films like Mahanadhi and Thavamai Thavamirundhu, there is a gradual sense of a loss of innocence (along with a loss of a beatific way of life) as characters forsake their salutary hometowns on the banks of sprawling rivers and move to the shores of the Cooum in search of a livelihood. You don’t find this in popular Hindi cinema, where urban living is celebrated to an almost ridiculous degree. The stories of the small man have practically vanished, and all we seem to see on screen are stylish slackers from South Bombay. A Paruthi Veeran or a Subramaniyapuram, redolent of fresh earth after the first rainfall, is unimaginable in Hindi cinema today – and it’s wonderful that Tamil cinema continues to tell the stories of the villages.
But when Tamil cinema uproots itself from these villages, I find I identify less with these urban characters than with those South Bombay slackers (and trust me, at least stylish I certainly am not). We don’t seem to share anything but a mother tongue. In theory, Prabhakar should be someone like me, someone trying to make a living in Chennai, who negotiates the ups and downs typical of city living – but where he loses me is in drawing a line on the sand and asking me to take sides, “us” Tamils versus “them.” I’d like to think that part of being urban is being assimilative of the good things, the fun things of the various people and cultures that make up the melting pot of a city – but why are these Tamil urbanites so rarely seen in films other than the ones Mani Ratnam used to make or the ones Gautham Vasudev Menon makes now?
Okay, so Prabhakar is an extreme example – he is, after all, an extremist in every imaginable sense – but why don’t I see myself in ‘Jayam’ Ravi in Santhosh Subramaniam (which is set entirely in a city, and yet resonates with over-reverential family values that are quite alien to me) or Dhanush in Yaaradi Nee Mohini? Where’s the saucy irreverence that characterised, say, Revathi in Mouna Raagam? She wasn’t a South Bombay kid – pampered and privileged with comforts, or locking lips with a live-in boyfriend – and yet, she shared with them a style of speaking, a manner of living, a free-spirited sense of being.
The externals may vary from city to city – but I think the one thing that identifies and links the urban youth all over India is a general state of an existence cobbled together with bits and pieces from everywhere. And that cheerful Madras mongrel is someone I don’t much see on our screens. Our urban cinema is still rooted in a chauvinistic embrace of the traditional and the conventional – and the purpose of this piece isn’t to decry this reality. After all, no one can wish away the commercial considerations that massage most Tamil films into products palatable to the B/C centres. But the recognition of this truth isn’t enough to make me brush off that other, equally valid truth – that there are urban Tamils who, though less in number, are no less deserving of space on the Tamil screen simply because we happen to think in English.
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raj
February 7, 2009
I find more of dhanush in the average chennai youngster than you.
I don’t think these characters are out of place. A significant portion of lower middle class youngsters could be like dhanush insullan minus the supermannerisms.
The dhanush who’s says “enna paarka paarka dhaan pidikkum, naanga dhaan majority” resonates with many real life youngsters for me who try to convert their disadvantage in looks to such vazhisal second rate humour to impress girls. While thos movies may be laughably unreal, some of the. Characterisation actually isn’t.
What we don’t find now probably is the west mambalam ashok vishwanath
Gautam menon seems to make besant nagar gautam vishwanaths
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Vijay
February 7, 2009
Katradhu Thamizh was an unique effort, for all its flaws. For those who complain that they dont make niche films in Kodambakkam anymore, what happens when they make one like this? The director may not get to do another film. That’s what happens. While Kashyap somehow found a producer to make Dev after his disastrous No Smoking. Jeeva came up with one of the finest acting performances amongst the young stars, in recent times. He is now back to doing mindless masalas.
Well in any case, if you want to see your version of the urban chennaite you can always wait for Gautam Menon’s Chennayil oru mazhaikaalam :-), that is, assuming, Vaaranam aayiram or the slacker in 7G Rainbow Colony or the slackers in Chennai 28 didnt satisfy your appetite.
“why are these Tamil urbanites so rarely seen in films other than the ones Mani Ratnam used to make or the ones Gautham Vasudev Menon makes now?”
The makers themselves, I am talking mostly about the established directors here, are’nt probably city-bred. Cheran, Bala, Ameer Thangar Bachchan and the likes have all probably made the village-to-city transition, and it shows in their films. Their pet subject, the one closer to their heart, cant be expected to have an urban sensibility to it.
You dont have too many Farhan Akhtars down here. Maybe Gautam Menon is the closest to being one. Venkat Prabhu and Selvaraghavan to an extent.
so your question could be re-framed as “why dont we have more directors possessing an urban sensibility in their films?” Maybe because we just have one city, as against several that serve Bollywood? Tamilnadu is mostly a village if you think about it. And the directors too mostly hail from what we fondly call the “B and C” centers.
“but why don’t I see myself in ‘Jayam’ Ravi in Santhosh Subramaniam (which is set entirely in a city, and yet resonates with over-reverential family values that are quite alien to me)”
I havent seen it but maybe it was just a Sooraj bARjatya-like film with only the setting being urban. You remember all the mid-to-late 90s fluffy Hindi movies with joint families, values upholding NRIs and all that? This probably falls in that category. “Clean” family entertainer types. Jayam Ravi’s brother does only those kind of films. He tests them with the golt audience first and if it is a hit, remakes it with Ravi in Tamil.
Just like it took a Dil chahta hai to shake up things in Bollywood, there could be something coming up like that in the future that might suddenly make the cool Chennai urbanite hot commodity.And I suspect that will coincide with us embracing the multiplexes more.
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SMan
February 7, 2009
Baradwaj,
I do agree that the portrayal of an “us” Tamils vs. Them is clearly over the top. But, what led to this thinking is very clear.
An urban tamil today has in his thinking, a tacit acceptance of the stereotypes that non-hindi speakers are subjected to in India, today.
The not-so-urban tamil, clearly with much lesser exposure and much more rooted to his nativity finds a need to constantly go back into a shell to find and take comfort in the identity that will protect him against the perceived cultural onslaught from up north. He would then totally identify with a film like “Kattradhu Thamizh” where his pent-up frustrations at perceived disrespect to his Thamizh are portrayed with such accuracy.
The murdering ways of the protaganist may be over the top. But, a lot of his feelings are way too accurately portrayed.
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Prasanna
February 7, 2009
Well,’KT’ seemed to ask disturbing questions on the how the society is going to meaningfully engage the youth pursuing non-vocational courses like fine arts, literarute,etc(Tamil was the “bludgeon” the director used) and how globalization has polarized the society more than the rural vs urban divide!
Probably you chose to give vent to the festers in your brain that ‘KT’ may have caused!:)
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karthik
February 7, 2009
Rangan…..Wut about Naan Kadavul ??
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Venkatesh Sellappa
February 8, 2009
BR,
Very well thought out piece.
The only statement i would take an exception to is – “Gautam Vasudev Menon and Tamil urbanites in the same sentence” . I always find his films to be “psuedo-urban” – pretend-urban if you will, like one of those Karan Johar college films – no colleges like that exist anywhere. English usage alone doesn’t make it urban.
Its a certain something
May i present Amala from Agni Natchatiram for the authentic experience. Simran’s introduction scene in Vaali, where she walks down in jeans with earphones, conveys more urbanism than anything from Gautam Menon.
I know this is not the main point of your article ., but for some reason it riles me that Gautam Menon’s films should be given as an example.
Rant over. 🙂
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SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
February 8, 2009
Very well said. Really liked this piece….
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Venkatesh Sellappa
February 8, 2009
@ SMan : “The murdering ways of the protaganist may be over the top. But, a lot of his feelings are way too accurately portrayed.”
Absolutely right.
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Ramkumar
February 8, 2009
You hit the nail on the head..Well written piece! I believe these kinda films portray the majority of tamilian’s mindsets. While moral policing is being condemned all over, I could hear conversations among the majority of Tamilians saying what happened at Mangalore Pub was a right thing!!! Movies will need atleast 10 farhan akhtars to change this mindset! I guess IT is doing its bit by bringin so many north indians to chennai. One of the recent films which I found easy to relate was FIVE STAR. Hope Susi Ganesan makes more of such movies rather than making cock man n other larger than life fantasies!!
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raj
February 8, 2009
Vijay, good write man.
I don’t think 7g ravikrishna will be in the same postcode as baradwaj, literally and figuratively 😉
I think the problem with tamil films now is that most of these directors want to conduct a moral science class.
Mr ram of KT before release of the movie said “this is my revenge against the apathetic society” 🙂 – some would say watching that movie would have been apt punishment for the ‘society’
What a concept to make a movie on!
But I don’t have a problem with these characters including dhanush in padikkadhavan. I see them all around. Only the treatment and motivation of these films turns out to be pathetic
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raj
February 8, 2009
Vsellappa, I wouldn’t say gautam menon’s protagonists don’t exist in real life – baradwaj was probably one such :I)
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Gayathri
February 8, 2009
“There were times I felt Kattradhu Thamizh was attacking me, personally, for being Tamil and yet choosing to make a living by adopting another tongue. Truth be told, that’s perhaps why the film continues to fester away in some corner of the brain, because, at least for a second, it made me question my Tamil identity.”
Completely agree!
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s
February 8, 2009
“Karan Johar college films – no colleges like that exist anywhere”
That came as a suprise. i may not identify with the characters in Gautham’s film but the surroundings he created seemed quite real.So comparing that with Karan Johar’s college which was in archie-town is kind of surprising.
The comment section just here indicates how diverse the experience have been.
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brangan
February 8, 2009
Venkatesh Sellappa: I’m not defining urban as English-speaking or jeans/earphone-wearing. As I said in the article, these are merely externals, and that’s why I used the example of Revathi in Mouna Raagam.
That’s not an alienating “Peter” character at all. She’s very middle-class (like Karthik in Agni Natchtiram), and you can literally find her/him next door — a naturally free-spirited person with distinct thoughts and ideas, and without too much “social/class” baggage. (Karthik’s baggage, for instance, is emotional, being the son of a mother whose marriage isn’t legally recognised.)
THESE are the people you don’t find on screen much anymore. And Vijay is right, in that Mani Ratnam is a city-bred director and he gave shape to these characters he’d seen around him. But once he packed his bags for pan-Indian cinema, no one else came in to fill his place. (Well, except Gautam.)
The point is not that characters like the ones Dhanush plays don’t deserve space in the cinema. The point is that we rarely get to see the OTHER side of urban youth, the ones who were convent-educated and watched English films (or listened to pop/rock) while growing up and so on. You don’t have to invoke the cinema of Farhan Akhtar. Mani Ratnam has already defined these characters in Tamil cinema.
s: reg. “the surroundings he created seemed quite real.” Yeah, I agree. The Karan Johar-gautam comparison is surprising, but then that’s what makes these discussions interesting 🙂
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Sarvan
February 8, 2009
I am a silent reader of this blog for months. This is the first time posting a comment.
I have to agree with s. I feel GM is the one director who portrays the colleges as in real.
I think people who are saying that Gautham’s college exist nowhere have to see initial parts of Minnale once again. Tell me one tamil movie which has portrayed the Mechanical-Comp.science rivalry in Colleges.
Even in VA, though very less screen time is given, GM touched all the aspects we face in college life such as last bench chat, Cricket, arrears, rowdism, Junior senior fight , culturals, GRE, Higher studies, Gym body,tc. I am so thrilled at some dialogues such as
“Senior na enna venam pannalama”. “Idhellam Madras la vechukko”
“Mechanical na oru Fire venama”
“Juniors kitta solven. Bodya maintain pannung nu” etc.
These are the dialogues you can see at almost any engg. college but did not find place in any tamil movie till now.
I almost fekt like standing up and whistling when GRE and Berkley University finds its place in a Tamil film.
I dont remember much of the films which tells about how a person is changing in the course of college life. How the new surroundings and situations changes him. I feel a person’s character is developed in college years which is portrayed very well in VA.
I dont understand why people(critics) are celebrating the rural movies but always criticising movies such as VA, Poi solla porom(very nice remake of Khosla ki Khosla which should have made more noise among both classes and masses)
Even though I am not from Chennai, I would love to see more of that cheerful Madras mongrel(as bharadwaj puts it) in Tamil movies.
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Venkatesh Sellappa
February 8, 2009
Hmm , i seemed to have provoked a discussion.
BR : “I’m not defining urban as English-speaking or jeans/earphone-wearing.” Neither am i ., i have no problems with MR’s Mouna Raagam, Kartik in Agni Natchathiram, the kids in Anjali et all. To me they defined what i was seeing all around me. The attitude, the free-spiritedness its all there.
But for some reason its that certain something i find missing in Gautham Menon’s films. The incessant “I Love You Daddy’s” in VA is a particularly egregious example. When was the last time a “Madras Mongrel” said that.
With regards to comparison to Karan Johar’s films – i meant to compare the artificial milieu in a KJ; film with the artificial attitude in a GM film. Thats all. One of the plus points in a GM film is that they are largely not-set bound.
Let the discussions continue. 🙂
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Venkatesh Sellappa
February 8, 2009
With regards to Dhanush-type films , the inital portions of “Thiruda-Thirudi” taken in Trichy are as authentic an experience of small-town urbanism as it gets.
I havent seen Padikkadhavan.
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Vivek
February 8, 2009
I do not intend to politicise this debate, but isn’t anti urbanism (anti-Peter!) a very integral part of the erstwhile Tamil culture which has been severely shaped by the anti Brahmin and later anti Hindi phases that it went through.
I do not think any city bred, educated director will be able to survive in the current Tamil industry with its Anti Sri Lanka or Anti Kannada political compulsions. Chennai is still the least cosmopolitan among all major metros in the country and so it is no surprise that it’s cinema bears the same burden.
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Priti
February 8, 2009
i haven’t watched kattradhu tamizh, but the romanticizing of village life is very much a real-life tendency. i don’t know this prabhakar’s background in the film, but villagers to this day are unable to embrace Westernization,and are to some extent afraid of it, because it means letting go of mores they have adhered to all their lives… particularly those who have moved to the city from villages for a livelihood often rue about what they have left behind for this – living in an urban ghetto in relative anonymity, and struggling to make ends meet, only because of a lack of choice (or perhaps, a certain lack of aspiration to look beyond their available options, in the city itself)
this letting go of their mores, to embracing other things that might have been taboo in their village is a sort of a loss of innocence too, atleast according to them, isn’t it? and the city provides unlimited opportunities to do these things, and that IS the truth. living in a village all your life restricts the options you have, and you are always resigned to your options. nothign can really prepare a villager for all the unlimited ‘evil’ options a city can offer.
not that gandhi was your average man by any standards, nor am i comparing people today glorifying the rural and deeming anything urban as evil to gandhi, but despite the kind of exposure he had and everything, he was very much guilty of romanticizing the villages too. it perhaps is possible for a foreign return even, to do that 😀
the decline of the language, and its adulteration is probably one of the most visible signs of ‘Westernization’, and i honestly do not think there is anything wrogn with it, and it would also be wrogn to get all judgemental about it, having lived in a city the way we always have, perhaps, without having discovered all the glory of the Tamil language for ourselves yet. and the angst of someone who HAS, might jsut be justified.
tamilnadu has been guilty of chauvinistic pride. but again, does this prabhakar want to chase out all non-tamil speakers out? 😀 i wouldn’t know.
not that i know a lot, but i don’t think many movies in recent years have explored this urban-rural ideological conflict of sorts. tamil movies, that way, have tried to give us perspectives. and filmmakers do tend to take sides :)atleast, we do have a mani ratnam and a ram. bollywood is becoming increasingly one dimensional according to me, in this respect.
end of rant.
that beign said, being the free spirited madras ponnu that i am, i certainly WOULD like to see more typical city bred characters gracing our screens. 😀
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raj
February 8, 2009
“She’s very middle-class (like Karthik in Agni Natchtiram), ”
Yes, thats precisely what I was hinting at – we dont get that particular section of the society any more in tamil cinema. Gautam Menon’s characters are more besant nagar/Adyar.
BR, I do get the point that this sort of vecha kudumi(Dhanush in apdikkadhavan) seracha mottai(Surya in VA) is not very encouraging. Just wanted to point that Padikkadhavan, or Thiruda Thirudi as VSellappa observed, in a warped way might appeal to that section of the populace as “real” and “genuine”.
I would suggest given the current socio=political mix of TN, then, these movies certainly have believable characters – the problem is in the treatment and the general action-hero fetish. Thats why it is dangerous to compare Hindi and Tamil cinema as they exist now and suggest the former is superior – if the metrosexual Farhan Akthar seems real to the audience who consume Rock On, then these Dhanushflicks perhaps appeal similarly to another section of the populace.
To quote a great critic, then, we might be able to say, might, not will, “IMO, this is a valid way of film making” 🙂
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raj
February 8, 2009
“tamilnadu has been guilty of chauvinistic pride”
Not any more than any other state.
Hindi chauvinists didnt need to craete political movements that spewed rehtoric against other languages because Hindi was/is politcally dominant.
An average Hindi speaker assumes that he has God given right to speak iN Hindi wherever he goes in the country – that is arrogance AND chauvinism
I dont condone tamil fanatcis – but I wont condemn them less than the Hindi fanatics – the most important point is that a Hindi fanatic may not be a political peson but normal people who are average Hindi speaking professionals who are seemingly ‘not parochial’ but hide an inborn arrogance and “hindi is the national language” chauvinism
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Venkatesh Sellappa
February 8, 2009
Leaving aside all the comparisons with MR and GM ., the film itself is internally consistent, which is a lot better than the general majority of films that come our way in Tamil.
For that we should be thankful i think.
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Vijay
February 9, 2009
Raj, KT was’nt that bad man. It was very good in portions. Anganga sodhappals. Take it as just the POV of the director. So what if he wanted to make the film to hit out at what he perceives as the apathetic society? Cinema is a personal statement after all.And I believe there are really a lot of folks out there who do share his opinions and frustrations.
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Krishnan
February 9, 2009
I had difficulty sitting through KT but liked it, for the most part. The movie could easily have been 30 – 45 minutes shorter. For the most part, directors who seem to focus on the subjects that are somewhere in the middle between rural and urban, seem to focus a lot more on the tamil pride. So, a cheran doesnt focus on tamil pride in his pandavar bhoomi (given village life serves as a replacement) whereas he definitely focusses on it in autograph (where the hero is neither rural nor urban). As someone who grew up in a small town in TN, I can probably identify with the stories except for the tamil pride (maybe if I was still in 8th standard, I might).
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brangan
February 9, 2009
Priti: reg: “madras ponnu” – it reminded me of Radhika in Niram Maaraadha Pookkal. You know, “Madras girl” (you have to say it in Vijayan’s accent for full effect) 🙂
raj: “Just wanted to point that Padikkadhavan, or Thiruda Thirudi as VSellappa observed, in a warped way might appeal to that section of the populace” – of course it would. Where am I saying that these films should be banned? I’m just making a case that the other kind isn’t finding representation, that’s all.
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raj
February 9, 2009
“And I believe there are really a lot of folks out there who do share his opinions and frustrations”
Oh yes, Vijay, you believe. I actually meet such people 🙂
The sadism in Jeeva’s character apart, the frustrations are quite real. And the sadism itself, quite plausible. I think where I come from is that the director’s immaturity showed as rants – rants are okay if a non-entity like me is posting them in a blog like this, not in a mainstream movie that aspires to be a cut above. He could have almost made a pre-No-Smoking No-Smoking if he had the maturity and the ability.
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Vijay
February 9, 2009
Raj for being someone who constantly pricks the Hindi film bubble, I am surprised you think of No smoking as some sort of benchmark. Even Raja Sen, who usually sucks up to pretentious stuff, disliked it 🙂 And he said the movie was a ripoff too from Stephen King, if I remember right.
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Vijay
February 9, 2009
Actually I found that link of Sen’s take on Anurag:
http://www.rediff.com/movies/2007/nov/15rs.htm
The following lines are, ahem, interesting 🙂 :
“The ultimate pretension lies in creating an artifice and imagining it has meaning. You don’t get it, we don’t get it, but hey, somebody could read layers into it. Hell, somebody could read layers into a Mr Bean episode, man! “
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The Normal Guy
February 9, 2009
We believed in the hero’s cause , empathised with his helplessness and were rooting for him . But, that was only until he killed some innocents in the beach scene for no apparent reason.’Ok, now this guy is not sure what he is fighting against.’
I think the whole survey in the end where the ‘us vs them’ comes into play was inserted for commercial purposes, hoping to receive patronage from the like minded people. That was a blatant attempt to turn this movie from becoming an artsy critic’s favourite into a moneyspinner from B and C centers.
One thing I loved about this movie is the treatment given out to English.The narrator seems to be at ease with English , quotes it frequently but still stands for what he believes in , viz. Tamizh. He even says in the college episode ” They didnt ask me whether I am a Munuswamy or a Peteraxe , but assumed that I didnt know English.” It was only the poseurs with the fake accent he was after.Looks like Prabhakar knew that the language is just a means to end , be it english or tamizh. And its just the end that counts.
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bart
February 9, 2009
Vasanth tried in “Aei, nee romba azhaga irukka”, Mani in “Ayudha ezhuthu” (Sidharth – Trisha) and few others here and there. The market and success of such movies decides their numbers ofcourse other than the director’s backdrop etc.
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brangan
February 9, 2009
raj: I can’t believe I’m actually on your side of an argument for a change, but you’re absolutely right about the rant aspect. It’s like how Madhur Bhandarkar wants to prove his point about the badness of Page 3 and Fashion, and constructs his arguments in such a unidimensional and idiotic way, it becomes laughable. By all means, say what you want to say. But at least do us the courtesy of presenting a reasoned argument, instead of just going on a murdering rampage.
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raj
February 9, 2009
“I can’t believe I’m actually on your side of an argument for a change”
Why, is it that uncool? 🙂
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raj
February 9, 2009
vijay, dont know. I dont have that much dislike for Kashyap as with the others in Bollywood – maybe because he himself is an outsider in Bollywood 🙂
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Vijay
February 9, 2009
I actually didn’t disagree with Raj on the rant part 🙂 But still the movie had some strong and effective scenes to be dismissed completely. Not to mention a fine lead performance. I guess BR took this film too personally and it seems to have affected his objectivity 🙂
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Venkatesh Sellappa
February 10, 2009
“It’s like how Madhur Bhandarkar wants to prove his point about the badness of Page 3 and Fashion, and constructs his arguments in such a unidimensional and idiotic way, it becomes laughable.”
Finally. Someone had to say it.
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brangan
February 10, 2009
raj: reg. “Why, is it that uncool?” No. More because you usually take such extremist positions, “drawing a line on the sand and asking me to take sides, “us” Tamils versus “them.” ” DUDE! Kattradhu Thamizh is about YOU! 😀
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raj
February 10, 2009
BR, oh really. Dont think you get my point or position at all. I have no love lost for Tamil or tamilness. Merely pointing out the problems with certain attitude of bollywood/hindiwallahs doesnt mean I dont speak Hindi or lack aaffinity to India.
As I said before, I can speak 6 Indian languages. How many can you speak? If I go to Rajahmundhry or Midnapore or Chikmagalur or Kochi, I can still speak the local language. Is this how you define a fanatic?
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raj
February 10, 2009
You have fallen prey to the typical “Speak hindi, then not fanatic, speak several other languages but refuse to accept Hindi is national language, then fanatic” notion freely bandied upon in this nation. That notion is against the very idea of India and if I am called a fanatic for saying so, then so be it
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raj
February 10, 2009
BTW, I am not the loser. I still get to see good movies in all these languages without a barrier. Look at you, you miss out on Malayalam classics because you only know Hindi outside local language and English. Then why this false pride that you are a cool cosmopolitan and I am a ‘regional’ fanatic loser?
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Zero
February 10, 2009
“One thing I loved about this movie is the treatment given out to English.The narrator seems to be at ease with English , quotes it frequently but still stands for what he believes in , viz. Tamizh.”
The Normal Guy has in fact highlights one of my major problems with the film (one of the things that irreversibly spoils the film IMO). Employing this trope, Prabhakar actually distances himself from the real Tamil medium-educated people that the film is trying to address. There are many moments in which Prabhakar is out there to prove that he’s not a “Munusamy” and it’s pitiably ironic. Mind you, I’m not overstating this point. This can be looked at a broader level. In general, he’s depicted as someone “exceptional.”
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brangan
February 10, 2009
raj: Dude, I was just kidding. The way you were kidding when you said, “I wouldn’t say gautam menon’s protagonists don’t exist in real life – baradwaj was probably one such :I)” Where is “false pride” in this? I guess I should just stick to responding to specifics in the comments henceforth.
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raj
February 10, 2009
being gautam menon’s protagonist isnt exactly an insult, right :-). yeah, I didnt get your import – sorry about that.
Anyway, what triggered me was my second comment on this which is something that irritates me – mostly, hindi speaking people define broad-mindedness as speaking Hindi. I dont understand how a frog in the hindi well who expects everyone else to speak in hindi to him can have the stupidity to assume that someone else who has taken more pains to understand various indian languages and cultures is less broad-minded. Such stupidity of monstrous scale I encounter frequently so I guess that triggered me off when I found, you, of all people seemingly subscribing to that notion. sorry boss.
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Anand
February 10, 2009
BR: There are a few characters which I can remember – Junior Kamal in Indian, Siddarth, Trisha and Esha in Aiydha Ezhuthu, Maddy – Shalini in Alaipayudhe, Ajith in Aasai, Shalini in Amarkalam(She hammed, but the written character had the sensibility that you mentioned), Ajith (the younger one) in Vaali, Genelia in Sachin(same as Shalini), Asin in Ullam Ketkume(to some extent), Sada in Priyasakhi and Unnale Unnale, Reema Sen in Minnale..If you really think hard, you can come up with a lot more.
But where Mani scored was not only in the character, but also the complete ambience he created..Nowadays they do it only in Hindi (Rock On, Luck By Chance, JTYJN)!
What say, raj 🙂
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raj
February 10, 2009
“Sada in Priyasakhi and Unnale Unnale”
Werent these more of caricature
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Shankar
February 10, 2009
raj, freeya vidu, machchi. 🙂 Let’s not go the rediff way, getting personal. We have a good thing going with great interaction…let’s keep it that way.
BTW, Baddy is a very cool guy 🙂
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Anand
February 10, 2009
raj: yes sir..agree with you, but I thought they were similar to Divya (Mouna Ragam) in terms of their background, education etc.
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raj
February 10, 2009
BR, Shankar, Anand: sari, sari, mea culpa.
I’ll leave with the last word though mannikka therinjavan manushan
mannippu ketkaravan periya manushan
🙂
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raj
February 10, 2009
Anand, I think Priyasakhi should have had an alternate title –
Why Baradwaj Rangan Cannot Stand The Average Tamil Movie
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Shankar
February 10, 2009
raj, Endhiranukku oru dialogue writer thevaiyyam!! 🙂
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Kiruba
February 11, 2009
You took me by surprise this week. While I expected something on Nagesh or Naan Kadavul or Vennila, you chose to give us something on the vanity of Tamil pride!
BTW, Kattrathu Thamizh, despite its blaring rhetoric, worked for me big time as a portrait of the agony of a deranged mind. Prabhakar is not a ‘normal’ man and it is evident his thought processes are twisted. There are enough indicators in the film that he is turning insane long before he starts his killing spree. He has adequate reasons (troubled childhood and adolescence, a violent streak, a complex and the loss of valued possessions and people) to grow up in to the psycho killer he eventually becomes. Even in the city, his aloofness and sense of loss of Anandhi seem to influence his reactions more than his sense of Tamil pride. His intense hatred towards techies and other upwardly mobile classes, I thought was natural for a loser going out of his mind. It’s a maladaptive coping mechanism and like most such behaviours, only worsens his condition.
[I did have problems with the film; the way Prabhakar repeats many dialogues in English made him look very phoney and towards the last his tirade against IT sector in front of the camera stuck out oddly. Also outside the film, we had Ram’s interviews which made me suspect if my understanding of the film is really valid.]
Even if you don’t buy the above argument (which may well be a conceit of mind) there were enough things that made KT one of the better films of 2007 (Jeeva, the excellently rendered and shot ‘Paravaiye Engu irukkiraay’, good camerawork, some memorable moments in Prabhakar’s childhood and adolescence and some haunting scene like where a drunken Prabhakar rags the BPO worker, etc.
So I’d like to see KT as a psycho film and it is a quite good one at that. Most ‘serious’ psycho films also have an attached baggage of social commentary and if you ask me how does KT fare in this regard; I think Jeeva blaming the techies for all ills plaguing the society needs to be considered a valid argument only if you’d think Kamal blaming women for the same in Sigappu Rojakkal is valid. Both these may have elements of truth (atleast for the respective protagonists) but at the same time are extremely simplistic and childish interpretations of a complex reality.
Therefore, I think there is no need for BR to take Prabhakar’s arguments to the heart as a personal attack and question his own Tamil identity. [:)]
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raj
February 11, 2009
kiruba, nalla extrapolate panni irukkenga. Ungalai madddhiri oruthar dhaan thevai Tamil film world-ku – epdiyum directors yosikka maattengaranga, I was thinking Baradwaj Rangan maadhiri oru critic tamil films-ku irundha, he can help find imaginary merits or merits not imagined by the maker in tamil films, too. Apdiyavadhu, standards raise pannalamnu.
As you said, nothing Ram said in his interviews helps an interpretation like you did. Having said that, if a movie is what its viewers make of it as BR says, then your reading elevates KT.
Good point on Sigappu Rojakkal. Hopefully, women didnt feel worthless after seeing that movie.
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brangan
February 11, 2009
Kiruba: KT as a psycho-murderer movie? Wow! An excellent reading/interpretation of the film. Thank you so much. You have, in effect, given me a different prism to view the film from – unlike most Tamil film reviews, which engaged very superficially with the film.
Perhaps it’s because we don’t have the culture of interpretative reviews in our country, and we look at films as merely an artist’s statement — and completely overlook the fact that WE are equally important in shaping the film, because we are looking at it with OUR eyes.
This notion that a film is 50% the artist’s vision and 50% the viewer’s interpretation is rarely understood here, and of all films, I never expected Kattradhu Thamizh to remind me of the fact. Thanks man 🙂
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Anand
February 11, 2009
kiruba: There is no counter in KT. In SR, Sridevi was the counter. Kamal in fact writes that he loves Sarada.(The writing on the wall 🙂 )
KT was a not a film about a childish psycho. It was a childish film about a pshycho.
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brangan
February 11, 2009
Anand: “The writing on the wall.” LOL!
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raj
February 11, 2009
“Perhaps it’s because we don’t have the culture of interpretative reviews in our country,”
BR, of all people how can you say this? Andha gumbaloda thalaivane neer dhaane 🙂
(This said with affection and admiration for your skills – absolutely no offence)
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raj
February 11, 2009
Anand, I rememberr seeing a ticket counter in KT 🙂
(habba, pazhikku pazhi on BR for all his sambar columns!)
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raj
February 11, 2009
“raj, Endhiranukku oru dialogue writer thevaiyyam!! ”
Shankar, aanal idhukku BR othukkanume?
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Shankar
February 11, 2009
raj, nice try!! 🙂
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Kiruba
February 12, 2009
BR, raj: Thanks guys, I very nearly believed your flattery!
I don’t often get into the habit of wishful thinking with respect to films, but KT was profoundly disturbing at the first view. I thought then it was really because Prabhakar vaguely and strangely reminded me of Raskalnikov! That led us to attempt some sort of a preliminary psychoanalysis of Prabhakar. after watching KT some 4 times and a lot of discussion, we decided the similarities were minimal if any. The interest initially may have been just that. but probably having read too much out of the film in this process, it’s grown on me and I’m reluctant to accept what other reviewers and even its maker have to say about it.
raj: Good memory you have. That counter you mentioned is the Mambalam railway station ticket counter. And Prabhakar should probably blame it too for creating a murderous maniac out of the mild mannered loser that he originally was.
Anand: I don’t want tp stretch this line any further, but you’ve asked for it. don’t know how a ‘counter’ like Sridevi (or even Anu perhaps) would help the proceedings here. SR and KT are fundamentally different in detailing the psychopath’s story and I mentioned Kamal here only to point out how a delusional belief that the protagonist holds and propagates is an overly simplistic notion.
Also, Prabhakar’s violence may not be childish but his deepest desire seems to be to retire into the safe cocoon of his childhood existence with Anandhi, as if it would solve al his problems. And this paves the way for his eventual death.
As for KT itself being childish,
on the contrary I thought its main problem was that it got quite messed up trying to achieve too much.
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Anand
February 12, 2009
Kiruba: It is quite obvious you liked the film and I didn’t. Lets agree to disagree! KT’s director will be thrilled, I guess, after reading your comment!
I remember having so many interpretations (I still do) for Dasavatharam, that my friends told me to contact KSR and give him my views so that he could come out with some intelligent ‘sound bytes’ 🙂
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raj
February 12, 2009
“unlike most Tamil film reviews”
Man, you actually read those ones? Avlo time irukka 🙂
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brangan
February 12, 2009
Anand: seeing layers in Dasa and coming up with interpretations isn’t all that far-fetched. It is written by kamal, after all. It’s just so frustrating that what was probably a fine product on paper so completely lost its way to the screen because of (a) the wretched filmmaking, and (b) all the ten roles being played by kamal, which made the whole thing look like a stunt/joke.
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Kiruba
February 12, 2009
Anand: Let’s rest it there. However, Ram, must be livid with anger if he reads this interpretation. Wasn’t his vision behind making KT reforming our decadent society?!!
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Sridhar Raman
February 12, 2009
Ever since I saw Katradu Tamizh at the theatre twice in the span of three days, I’ve been waiting for the day when you would review/between-review it. Now that it’s happened, I should say that I am disappointed, but nevertheless not surprised. It is a movie that one just can’t ignore – you either hate it or love it. I belonged to the latter category.
I was disappointed with what you have written as there is so little written on the actual “movie”. But, probably, that wasn’t the intent of this piece, anyway.
To me, KT consisted of two parts – the movie, the concept. And, both of them worked beautifully. I am a Tamilian-Bangalorean-IT, and still felt every bit of Prabha’s anguish, not least because I had been questioning myself for a long time. I hadn’t/haven’t been smart enough to figure out why I was getting paid all that money. Neither did I find an answer as to why the supposed metric of money wasn’t accorded based on the criticality of the job to society. Which is why Prabha’s comments struck a chord in me. And note, I did NOT subscribe to ALL his points of view (definitely not the whole T-shirt episode), but that is what makes this movie even more special. Prabha is a flawed character – and that is what raises him and the movie.
When he laments the fact that, while, in the teaching profession, salaries are so low, it is more his anguish at having to re-calibrate what he thinks is a “good salary”. When he goes to his friend’s office and mentions the 2000 he gets, and the possible 4K he might get, there is genuine joy in his eyes. Then, it comes crashing on listening to the 2 lakh salary. It’s not that Prabha is against non-Tamil. He isn’t able to cope with the sudden disparity. His means of dealing with it might be questionable, but that shouldn’t take away the validity of his concerns. As one person says at the end of the movie, “You can’t say that entire India has improved because of IT. A sign of good health is the entire body becoming bigger. Just one part becoming bigger isn’t good health, it’s elephantiasis”. That, more than anything else, sums up what’s ailing this nation.
Coming to the actual facets of the movie, it was brilliant film-making. One of my favourite scenes is at the end. *** SPOILER ALERT *** Prabha and Anandhi are by the tracks. He takes out his geometry box, and shows her the feather. It flies up and lands on a wall, at which point the police chasing Prabha come into view at the edge of the frame. This prompts him to ask Anandhi to leave, failing which, he pushes her onto the tracks. Just as she gets up, she hears the train through the tracks. And then the poetic ending. *** END OF SPOILER ***
These are the touches that made me fall in love with this movie. These had nothing to do with what the movie supposedly “preaches”. They were just signs of a director in complete control.
Here’s my wish for more Rama Subbus.
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Kiruba
February 12, 2009
Anand: Looks like I can’t rest for a while. Was searching for KT’s screenplay this evening. I’ve known for sometime that it’s on the net in Ram’s blog (and that its in English!) As before wasn’t able to lay my hand on this today too, but I came across a review by chenthil (aka Dabbler in blogworld) which comes very close to my interpretation. And he even mentions the similarity with Raskalnikov in this short piece.
http://chenthil.blogspot.com/2007/10/kattradhu-tamil.html
I’m excited and even more motivated to trace out the screnolay. It must indeed be true when they say No man is an island!
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Anand
February 12, 2009
Sridhar Raman / Kiruba: I am sorry I am not able to share your excitement. But honestly, I am happy for you guys. Happy that the film is able to create this kind of an excitement in you. It always is heady stuff, right?
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brangan
February 12, 2009
Sridhar Raman: I agree that there were a lot of nice-ish ideas in the film. But I’m afraid I do not share your enthusiasm about this director’s staging talents. That specific scene you mention — about Jeeva finding out how much money his IT friend makes — was among the many things that made me cringe. And that “touch” with a feather drove me nuts too 🙂
But that said, this discussion has made me interested in watching KT again. One of the painful things about watching films on TV is that they get butchered by five-minute ad breaks and lose all sense of thematic continuity. (That’s why, in this piece, before I stated my dislike for the film, I made it a point to mention I watched it on TV.) Now I want to see how it plays out in its entirety.
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Laksh
February 12, 2009
This movie worked for me in parts. More than anything else, I fell in love with the Cinematography by Kathir. Particularly the scenes where the little Prabakar and Anandhi go up a hill. Direction was good except for the portrayal of extremist concepts.
And Director Ram’s blog http://directorram.blogspot.com/2008/06/blog-post_15.html has the entire screenplay in English.
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Kiruba
February 13, 2009
BR: “But that said, …KT again.” Really?! That’s nice. However my experience with watching films again is that the second time, (though it brings to focus some fine nuances or flaws missed over the first time), only reinforces and strengthens the opinion formed after watching once. I’ve radically reversed my opinion only for 2 films: 10A and Dum Dum Dum.
Again, ‘One of the painful things about watching films’ that’ve flopped in theatres, ‘is that they get butchered’ by the operators ‘and lose all sense of thematic continuity’. That happened with KT too at Devi. Luckily Sathyam showed the whole movie.
And KT has come on TV? I’m sure it was telecast on a festive occasion, meant to be watched by one and all in the family and get inspired and joyous! WE MUST INDEED BE A SICK SOCIETY. [:-)]
bcos you surely won’t find time/need to do a BR on VeNNilaa KK for now, let me ask here what you thought of it.
Anand: thanks man
Sridhar Raman: “Neither did I find … to society” Really, do you suppose any of the jobs here are non critical to the “society”?! I think even BR’s job of a film columnist is equally important in our dishearteningly complicated lives [:-)]. the pay, as you’ll agree, is always determined by market forces. Yes, it is sad it has to be like this, but there’s also no simple wishing away this practice.
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brangan
February 13, 2009
Kiruba: I actually want to do something on VKK because I liked it a lot. I wish our filmmakers would go for these “small themes” and do them well, instead of attempting grand conceits and struggling to pull them off in their entirety. On a first viewing, this wasn’t in the league of Ch-28, but I was impressed by quite a few things — yes, including the end, which many people had issues with. I thought it was built up to very well, with hints dropped along the way that something of this nature would occur. And when it did, it was pulled off very well.
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Kiruba
February 13, 2009
Laksh: Thanks a lot for the link. I’ve been searching this for long.
BR: Point about small themes well taken. I did like VeNNilaa a lot but won’t share your enthusiasm abt the climax. knew something of this sort was about to happen, but had thought it would be the other way round – SPOILER ALERT:Mari left wondering what happened to ‘SheWhoMustNotBeNamed’. END
But then that would have been too common and predictable, isn’t it? Don’t we need an ending that sends the audience into shock?
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Vijay
February 14, 2009
Kiru and Sridhar, fine posts on elaborating what I liked about KT. I wish Ram gets another chance. He deserves that much. Maybe someone can rob Perarasu’s house to fund Ram’s movie.
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s
February 14, 2009
what is vkk? or Vennilla KK?
This discussion has def. put me off KT.
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Rags
February 19, 2009
Hi Baradwaj,
I am extremely disappointed with your review/re-review of KT. many people missed the point about the film completely and they think its a film abt “how a tamil teacher is suffering” and such banalities.
The KEY to tht film is a dialog in the film itself “my address in life always used to be death”. Its the story of a misfit. On another level, its a clever reworking of a “Shankar” film.. what with the hero killing people for a vigilante cause. Ram definitely takes these points and makes a film completely different from what Shankar usually dishes out.
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Rags
February 19, 2009
KT is one of the best ever tamil films I have seen and the sequences with the kids playing around on a hill – they are sheer poetry on screen.
The hero is a psychic misift and he wud remain so no matter what profession he chooses. I am amazed at how so many people can miss this simple point.
Try to watch some interviews of Director Ram – there used to be a 3 part interview in indiainteracts.com. That man is something, for sure !!!!!!!
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NISHANTH
February 25, 2009
Please watch the film again,
Its a GEM
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vivek
October 2, 2011
BR – I’m going leave a comment here, not sure if you’ll still read/reply but nevertheless.
Yes, i’m glad that i watched this movie, then read your review, and felt that i was not the only one thinking this lost the plot somewhere – if i had one specific part, it’s the one where Jeeva repeats ‘I’m not justifying myself’ towards the end – no, the director WAS justifying him for everything he did – I think the trauma and sad backstory was just an alibi that he used to make the larger point – his rant against globalization, money, IT.
if he had let go off trying to create a ‘straw-villain’ by way of IT, then this movie would have been beautiful, it would have worked end-to-end. but as we get to the end, what could have simply been explained as a story of man, with a traumatic past, who’s caught in a society that ‘s changing, he’s here firing away at imaginary villains – not required, the plot, acting, cinematography, music had enough going for it even otherwise.
And you nailed it right, this is typical of Chennai cinema, maybe even the currently evolving Chennai urban culture – you can experience it first hand – any pub, club, movieplex and mall. it’s hypocritical, patronizing and chauvinistic – it’s got roots in communism and casteism, and its not going away anywhere anytime soon. I still love Chennai, but the urban space there has less and less room for plain, old fashioned , open mindedness which you expect in a city. Every time a Vijay-type movie with a story of a 12th pass local street rowdy, hitting on and winning over a rich-white, upper class girl and ‘converting’ her into a ‘good’ person becomes a hit, a little more of that urban liberal space is encroached upon by some actual local goon trying his luck. When you lose such space on the street, you’re not going to see anything of that sort on screen for sure.
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sridharvisu76
September 29, 2015
I am one the very few who didnt like Katrathu Tamizh especially the scene where hero goes at a woman in s/w office wearing a t-shirt. This is the bludgeon in all its gory.
The reason why I didnt like it is for all its film making techniques it is unjust… It is unjust to expect others to bear outcomes of your convictions. At its heart is that injustice which is made up (as in put on a make up) to look like a innocent child / victim.
The worst thing is that
a) this is somehow marketed as heroism (a scene from sasikumar movie where he talks proudly about his history lessons or scene where s/w engineers are punished in Kadavul Arai enn – comes to mind even though they are told in jest)
b) it loses a very fine opportunity to truly talk about a Tamil MA. How inner contradictions of the character – between convictons and reality – impact their life and how they find something new to hold onto.
Do they still choose conviction or go with practical “adjustment” as they dont want to be a “hero”. These are such golden opportunities that this director ruins it.
In fact, this bludgeon-of-a-character could have proceeded as in this movie but changed later to realize their own faulty ways. That would be a true movie. But alas no.
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Madan
August 21, 2017
So it seems Ram’s first film also provoked a lot of discussion and I mean from a socio-cultural perspective, not so much the merits or demerits of the film (the usual ‘why didn’t you like this movie so much’ argument). As much as I find the premise bizarre, I am intrigued too and want to see it. As somebody said in the Tharamani thread, for Tamil/Hindi cinema standards, merely triggering a conversation like this is itself a good sign even if some of it may be for the wrong reasons.
“And that cheerful Madras mongrel is someone I don’t much see on our screens.” – Maybe I should visit the Adyar/Besant Nagar side of Chennai more but in wandering through my usual Kodambakkam/T Nagar/West Mambalam circuit, I would say Chennai is as such an identity and caste conscious city and there are hidden pointers even if it is not seen as necessary to spell it out. I don’t know if I have narrated this amusing incident before but I was visiting the Vedanta Desikan temple in Mylapore and was offered puzhungal arisi and curd rice as prasadam. In a momentary lapse of sanity, I allowed my right hand to go all the way into the mouth. Another visitor noticed this and asked me not to do so at least near the sanctum sanctorum. I agreed. But he wasn’t done. He asked me where I was from and I said I was from Mumbai. He snorted, “Adhan, Western culture!” I had half a mind to tell him that if I was actually into Western culture, I would have insisted on a spoon like my cousins living in the US. I don’t know if for some reason I attract these ‘types’ like a magnet when I am in Chennai, but to me the city seems to be full of these unheralded Einsteins and Hawkings, geniuses who make conclusions about you in an instant and are incredibly confident about them too. So I am intrigued about this film because I don’t think Chennai has slain the Tamil chauvinism beast and it’s probably an integral part of the city’s identity. And, no, I live as a Tamilian in Mumbai and Marathi chauvinism is not nearly the same thing and most locals irrespective of class see right through it. It may have been comparable in the heyday of the Tiger but not anymore.
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Tamil
June 22, 2019
The Movie is not perfect. But, you can’t completely dislike it. The protoganist is a victim of globalisation. This reviewer doesn’t even know how a life of a guy who earns 2k will be like. He is a very biased reviewer, Who appreciates only the Mani Ratnam and Gautam Menon movies. The truth is majority of the Tamil people won’t even speak the way the characters speaks in those movies. If someone uses a rich vocabulary, it will not make them a good reviewer. Clean your eyes and see the reality.
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