(by Amit)
It had been a really long time since I had seen a Surya film. I was excited for SP. Sudha Kongara had mightily impressed everyone with Irudhi Suttru. This was also supposed to be Surya’s big comeback which it very well might still be.
When I was watching Soorarai Pottru, I was often reminded of another film – Velai Illa Pattadhari – A film that was supposed to be a big comeback for another actor – Dhanush.
The films are eerily similar. Let me.
In Maara, and Raghuvaran, we both have individuals who wanted to succeed but couldn’t because of the society trying to bring them down.
Both of them have father issues and loving mothers. This is where SP falters. This is where VIP shone. Most of why it doesn’t work is because we don’t get to know them all too well.
Both SP and VIP has the scene where the disgruntled son has an outburst towards his dismissive father. In VIP, that scene was among those that warranted your attention, and it held it beautifully once it got it. It worked because we saw Raghuvaran’s anger being pent up. A slow build up and an explosion is always cathartic. In cinema, and elsewhere.
But in SP, it’s just noise. The major part of why it doesn’t work is there’s too little time invested in getting to know that Maara. A series of montages as a flashback quickly sped through is not going to make us care enough for the outburst.
Both Maara and Raghuvaran lose their parent. Both Maara and Raghuvaran are late to visit their dying parents.
In SP, the build up to the mourning is beautifully set up. Surya sells us the agony he is in when he cannot pay up for the airline ticket to visit his.
But the actual mourning. Now that felt too long, too theatrical. Contrast that with the silence of Raghuvaran. Raghuvaran’s silence spoke much louder than all the wailing of Maara. Again this is because the father-son relationship was simply non-existent in SP.
We feel for Raghuvaran’s plight more (at least I did) even when his childishness was the cause of his mother’s death. Maara was misunderstood of not loving his father due to short and unstable telephonic calls, and he clearly wasn’t the reason his father died so you’d expect Maara’s plight would tug at one’s heart even deeper but since there was no on-screen portrayal of their relationship, it simply wasn’t enough.
Both SP and VIP has the scenes where the crowd pitches in. In VIP, that was a whistle worthy moment. In SP, that was a scene that played out normally. There was no punch. It came out of nowhere and disappeared where it came from.
On the other hand, the scene where Karunas hands over his life-savings is executed well. I only wished the crowdsourcing scene had the same impact.
Both SP and VIP has a social message spouted as a piece of dialogue during the proceedings. Raghuvaran rants about the education and it kind of blends in. The socialite/socialist seemed forced in.
In both VIP and SP, there’s a scene where the protagonists reach out to the people in large. Raghuvaran uses social media. Maara uses AIR.
The similarities don’t end there. Even the villains of SP and VIP are similar. One villain is hell bent on unleashing the dark force while someone close to them reminds them that maybe, maybe… don’t go all in. In SP, it is Paresh’s brother. In VIP, it was the villain’s father.
All this is not to say the film was bad. It was anything but bad. It was good for most parts. But it had it in it to become great. The production values are top notch. The visuals are good.
I don’t know what’s with current generation directors’ tryst with non-linear filmmaking is. The technique is not in question, it’s handled pretty well. But the usage is.
Just when we are trying to soak in, the film carries us over and drops in another entirely different setting. It doesn’t let us breathe. This going back and forth also doesn’t help in establishing any sort of emotional connect one would hope in a drama.
Simple, conventional storytelling would have salvaged much of the beats the non-linear filmmaking misses. Non-linear filmmaking generates drama in films like Memento, Pulp Fiction, Vada Chennai because the device is used in a way that facilitates drama. Here it fizzles away the drama. It uses non-linear filmmaking as an excuse for too many flashbacks.
The relationship between Maara and Bommi was the brightest spot in the film. It’s been years since I last saw an equal, progressive couple in Tamil cinema. The last I could remember is OK Kanmani. Aparna was a whiff of fresh air. Sudha has a great eye for her heroines.
But even Bommi’s spunk which kept the first half lively, fizzles away in the second half. Speaking of slaps and controversies, here’s a man, who’s living off of his successful wife and he slaps her without any repercussion. I felt this to be problematic. That after this, the only thing she does is throw a tantrum doesn’t help either.
The film throws one conflict over another. While conflict generates drama, you can’t keep battering the protagonist until a point when the audience thinks, “This is it, right?”
After getting beat left-and-right, you at least want the payoff to be grand, to make up for the slow build up. The explosion. The happy ending. What is with the new-gen directors and their need to be subtle all the time?
The climax was anti-climatic. There was nothing rousing as one would expect. You want to go out on a high. Not limp afterwards. Imagine Bolt going at full-speed for 90 metres only to walk the last 10 metres. Imagine Ken Miles going at it in full-throttle for much of the race only to slow down before the chequered flag. Oh wait. That did happen and the frustration I felt at that time was akin to what I felt watching SP’s climax.
There’s only so much runway for a film to take off. This one doesn’t and even if it does, it barely flies. It’s like the bumblebee metaphor the film uses often – it flies alright, but is it high enough?
Snowman
November 15, 2020
Why a comparison at all??? Are reviews written by comparing two movies?? In that case VIP was also a old wine in new bottle kind of a story with changes done to suit the new generation.. I did enjoy that movie !!! SP was also good in its own way!! Comparison kills the beauty of the view of two different people..
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Surekha Verma
November 15, 2020
I strongly disagree with you sir. Why are we highlighting the relationship with parents in both the movies. It’s a part of his story. Also a strong fight or disagreement with parents do happen in many of our lives. Especially someone with ambitions. It does not mean we don’t have any feelings for our parents. It is the opposite. We do have lot of respect n stronger feelings that comes out as anger on them or their thoughts or ideology. This movie is about thinking big. It definitely 100% conveys that n inspires us with a sucess story at the end. Note: VIP was not this gripping either it’s an inspirational story. Many couldn’t connect with it apart from civil engineers alike SP.
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shivalagisetty2442
November 15, 2020
I’m really sry but there is no comparison between vip and SP.. SP is an inspirational story where VIP was a comedy and satire kind of movie. I really don’t understand how and why the idea of comparision of SP and VIP had striked 😂
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SNK
November 15, 2020
Comparing these two movies is not at all accepted.. don’t give such useless reviews. It’s like u r trying to divert people who are yet to watch the movie.. Personally I feel, as a movie, it’s far better than VIP.
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Amit
November 15, 2020
Let me make it clear. Soorarai Pottru is a much better film than VIP. I am not comparing the film VIP with the film Soorarai Pottru. I was just comparing certain scenes and their emotional impact and how I would have liked Maara’s father get more screen time.
I never said VIP was a better film.
Soorarai Pottru is a very good film. See these lines:
What I mean by that is, this is already a very good film. But it could have become a great film.
This was not my intention. If more people feel this way as is evident from the comments, BR, you can gladly take down this piece.
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Satya
November 15, 2020
For all their similarities, I have only one thing to say. Raghuvaran was a ‘hero’ from start to finish. Nothing apart from his mother’s death could be called a blow throughout the movie, considering how the villain is constantly after him. And then, the climax ends rather comically. Soorarai Pottru’s Maran is anything but that. His victory is so noble and necessary, that a lack of connect with his ambition can actually fail the film for one.
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Siddharth
November 15, 2020
The most inappropriate review I have seen in my life. VIP and SP concepts may be similar but the Raguvaran’s journey is shown as a commercial mass entertainment movie. SP has just struck so many emotions , the way husband and wife aspire about their careers at the same time tell their romance without any song set on a fantasy island … There are many more such emotions which have been shown in a such a pure lens. Both movies are good but they both are in a different setup . I don’t think it’s apt to compare them .
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Venkatesh Palanimuthu
November 15, 2020
I never read such a worst review recently… Both are unique…
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brangan
November 15, 2020
Amit: If people read the title and STILL think it’s a “review” and not a POV, I think it’s on them.
You had something interesting to say. People are going to agree or disagree. I don’t think the solution is to take down the post.
And oh, by now, I have gotten used to people thinking the “reader’s write in” pieces are mine, so don’t worry about that! 😀
PS: I really don’t see how people can read a piece and skip the byline right on top, but hey…
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Srihari
November 15, 2020
You seriously are a fan of only good commercial movies in tamil. Go watch Vijay and Dhanush and such commercially dependent actor’s movies then.
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Yajiv
November 15, 2020
Wow, it looks like the Suriya fanboy army turned out in full force. The tone and tenor of the comments in this section are not at all like the what’s usually seen in this blog. I’m seeing lots of new names too. Almost like someone shared this article link in some Rasigar Sangam Whatsapp group and people started piling on it.
Amit, (not sure what value my opinion holds but) I thought your article was great. I had never thought to compare these two films but I really enjoyed the similarities/dissimilarites that you had found. It was cogent and well-written. While there was stuff I did disagree with (as is true with any article), It definitely didn’t need to elicit such a strong response in the comments. I saw it for what it is: your take & your opinion on a movie, that’s all. It’s not like you were needlessly bashing some religion or political group or particular community, etc.
To all the other commenters: Ivvalavu kovam thevaiya? I understand that you enjoyed the film (and that you are possibly a big Suriya fan) but you are responding as if someone personally attacked you/your family. Why is that? There seems to be some enmeshment issues there.
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Madan
November 15, 2020
Yajiv: My favourite is “Go watch Vijay and Dhanush and such commercially dependent actor’s movies then” Yedho Suriya periya Warren Beatty pola.
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Leela Krishna
November 15, 2020
I never remembered VIP while watching SP ..that means I don’t know how to watch movies..by comparing with others..like every move having songs and fight same steps and same words they use and same Stunts .so as per your explanation everything is same ..all are copy right
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ninte thantha
November 15, 2020
i dont who who you are, but you are clown. lol
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Abinav sivashankar
November 15, 2020
Seriously! What are you smoking?
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Shyamsundar
November 15, 2020
Baradwaj rangan has become too predictable and doesn’t seem to distinguish between a good and bad movie. Why the comparison. Both movies are totally different. SP is a lot better movie than VIP. It seems Baradwaj has a personal issue with Surya to make such a review. Totally uncharacteristic.
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Srinivas R
November 15, 2020
I havent watched SP and VIP is one of my fav Dhanush movies. In VIP, I actually felt the dramatic point came out of the blue. The death of Raghuvaran’s mother came with no warnings and it seemed to at least like a forced decision of bump off a character to inflict a turning point. Also, a lady being a recipient of his mother’s lungs and he advising her not to smoke etc. Didn’t really fit in, IMO. These are only minor issues in an otherwise entertaining movie. The cast was brilliant. I really missed Saranya in the second half. Samithirakani and Amala Paul were good too. The hero-fication of Raghuvaran was inevitable but i missed his family in the second part of the story.
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GK
November 15, 2020
Whoever wrote this review has a strong comparison mind set. First of all the story of SP is based out of a book. Are you saying VIP story is stolen from the same book? Every movie has some similarities when compared to other makings. If you start comparing the movies made with the previous one, it means already the reviewer has made up his mind here.
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Madan
November 15, 2020
“First of all the story of SP is based out of a book.” – Based is the most charitable interpretation you can come up with for a story that has been disfigured so much to pander to box office needs.
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Severus Snape
November 15, 2020
Is it difficult to read ‘(by Amit)’ under the title?
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Subramanian G
November 15, 2020
Worst comparison I have ever seen. Whether it is a pov or a review; whether it is by B. Rangan or by Amit. It is just worst to compare sp with vip. It is like comparing power of a tiger and a cat just because they both look similar. SP is an interesting and a geniune attempt having its own flaws. On the other hand vip is just an another commercial, mass masala movie that failed in most of its aspects…
I beg you. Please don’t compare SP with Vip. If you need justification for my words go and watch sp again or try to understand the clownliness of vip….
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Ajay Kumar Reddy B
November 15, 2020
No comparison bro just enjoy the movie
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Osiyan Hater
November 15, 2020
Glad to know even Suriya has a toxic…oops sorry loyal fanbase
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Nightowl
November 15, 2020
Hope the writer doesn’t compare his/her spouse with someone elses. 🙂
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Ram
November 15, 2020
I second with Yajiv here. The negative comments here do appear as if coming from a Surya fans WhatsApp group that took collective offense. Soorarai Potru is a well made movie with very good performances. But end of the day it is another glorified masalafied commercial cinema.
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Yajiv
November 15, 2020
@Madan:
I LOLed at that as well. As if any male Tamil actor isn’t beholden to commercial success. They are making Suriya out to be some Nasseruddin Shah type.
My hypothesis for what happened: Suriya Rasigar Mandram got super angry at BR for his Soorarai Pottru video review (clearly evident from the Youtube comments), found his blog, didn’t even bother to look for the right review article and poor Amit got flamed instead! One could write an Armando Iannucci-esque farce with this plot!
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Madan
November 15, 2020
Yajiv: In one sense, I am amused. BR didn’t give a good review for Mass either and wasn’t wholly effusive of Thaana Serndha Kootam either. But this is the first time I am seeing a Suriya fan club attack on this blog. Almost like the ‘demeaning’ comparison to Dhanush was what it took for them to emerge from their woodwork.
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S.gopalakrishnan
November 15, 2020
Suriya’s acting was identified. Director of this film SP prooved seen by seen her touch. The Director mainly concentrate on every body acting on facial expressions. Superb.
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Eswar
November 15, 2020
Hey Amit. I haven’t read your post. But in principle, I don’t think you should consider taking it down even if it starts attracting viler comments. Enjoy reading them. Good luck 🙂.
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rsylviana
November 15, 2020
@Amit – I get why you were prompted to compare both the films but I feel both of these films tried massifying the underdog story very differently and one of the things that could have affected the different approaches is the fact that one of it is almost a biopic. I stand with you about how well the family scenes(with Samudhrakani-Saranya-Dhanush) and dialogues about the haves and have-nots worked in VIP but would beg to differ regarding Karunas’s scene(where he offers money to Surya) in Soorarai Pottru. They did nothing for me and I found it to be executed laughably bad especially when compared to how well the film had progressed until then. Nevertheless,I quite liked the climax of SP and felt that it had woven a clever twist into the “climax template”.
Regarding Maara slapping Bommi (does he actually slap? I seem to remember him shoving her down), I should have a problem with it but I didn’t. I’m not sure but it could be because Maara is shown to quickly regret his actions and immediately search for Bommi to make amends and not shown as the quintessential mass hero who just takes her for granted and feels that his fight is bigger than her feelings. I also thought his insecurity about him being a man “living off” of his wife was really well executed and her reply when he finally musters his courage to ask for financial help was terrific- “Periya Periya plane laam parakka vidureenga konjam periya manushan maari nadanthukonga Maara”! The team of SP deserves a round of applause for just this!
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Abhishek Balakrishnan
November 15, 2020
Deiii mottaa .. nour daaa 😏
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haarvest
November 15, 2020
Useless Review.. The movie is against your kind of people. So it’s obvious you write it down..
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rsylviana
November 15, 2020
Almost like someone shared this article link in some Rasigar Sangam Whatsapp group and people started piling on it.
@Yajiv – I’m willing to bet good money that this is actually the case.
@BR – Now that you have gone pukka mainstream, treat vainga Saar! 😀
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Voldemort
November 15, 2020
…here’s a man, who’s living off of his successful wife and he slaps her without any repercussion. I felt this to be problematic. *
Well, in the words of a great person, if you don’t have the liberty of slapping each other when you are in a relationship, the relationship is not real at all. 🙂
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Severus Snape
November 15, 2020
Madan: ‘But this is the first time I am seeing a Suriya fan club attack on this blog.’
There was that bullet point report on 7aum Arivu, right? People arrived out of no where and started calling BR names for pointing out that hopping to foreign locations for duets is not Tamil culture.
But seriously, people(of the fan base), a bit more respect and a bit more patience will help you. A lot.
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Arun prakash
November 15, 2020
Disappointing comparison sir. VIP is more about success of individual whereas SP is success of common people to fly. Even in climax maran tells to villan that people have started flying and he doesn’t bother about what happens to him next. SP right from the beginning talks about the rich and poor of our country and how they are threated. VP is just another rajini kinda movie who wins at last. Sorry your comparison Don’t work, not for me atleast
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Krishnamurthy T V
November 15, 2020
Apologies Mr.Rangan. If you want to bash a movie do so without trying hide it behind another one like VIP and then go full throttle at this one. Just now saw the movie and it is fantastic and engaging. Not a frame out of place and just lean and taut. Non linear film making is a style and not everyone may like that style. But I wonder if you would have been so scathing of say Momento or Irreversible. I could go on but would strongly recommend seeing this movie for what it is not having another movie in your mind and spoiling it for yourself and others.
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Imran
November 15, 2020
Wondering how you got this write up published or you were hired to write a so called comparison with a movie of a completely different genre.
Suriya has been going through past failures but he’s got in everything of his craft to give the best for himself and then entertain the audience.
It’s definitely a fictional bioepic or a part of it, it’s still good enough for a good watch. If this was coming in theatres, it would have helped the ecosystem two folds after covid
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Eswar
November 15, 2020
I suggest all Readers Write In column should include a flashing text after every line:
Intha article ezhuthi kondiruppavar ungal Baradwaj Rangan alla.
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Aman Basha
November 15, 2020
This thread is so amusing….
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Suriya******
November 15, 2020
I’m really enjoying this comment space. I suggest we add some appropriate comments about other Suriya films too. Like, why would Suriya dare act with Anushka shetty when she is a foot taller than him and he has stand on a box in all scenes with her? Should stick to acting with Jyothika, who is his wife.
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Satya
November 15, 2020
Deepavali pandaga road la meeda jaruguthunna tapassulu matram ikkada peluthunnay. Papam.
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Kay
November 15, 2020
This is turning out to be my favourite comments section 🙂
Amit – enjoy the fanfare.
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KayKay
November 15, 2020
Amit my boy, first off, a good and interesting write up, and I only regret not being able to comment on it’s content because I’ve seen VIP but not SP.
Secondly, ignore the sudden invasion of the Dipshit Trolls on this blog. If their illiteracy at not being able to read a fucking byline to distinguish between a review and an opinion piece isn’t bad enough, some of their WordPress handles (one moron calls himself “Ninde Thantha” which is Mallu for “Your Father”) gives away the fact they created it 10 mins before flaming you and then abandoning it most likely soon after. If these Mensa members were in the US, they’d vote Dem and call for cancelling you because they excavated a non-PC comment you made 10 years ago.
Yajiv: Spot on, I haven’t laughed so hard at the comments space around here for ages! Comments like “Please not comparing SP and VIP, one is tiger one is cat, both look same but both different power” is practically a self-generating meme 🙂
It’s like walking into your regular yuppie pub only to see a group of tattooed bikers with faded leather jackets and ZZ Top beards sitting at the bar.
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Voldemort
November 15, 2020
runs to grab popcorn*
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Heisenberg
November 15, 2020
//Intha article ezhuthi kondiruppavar ungal Baradwaj Rangan alla.//
Lol. That really cracked me up..
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Dr.Thudi Prashanth Reddy
November 15, 2020
What is this nonsense!!!how can we compare SP with VIP!?!!idiotic senseless relative comparison.. VIP is a commercial flick whereas SP is a patriotic emotional &very heart touching film…why to make such masterpiece less by comparing it with a masala movie!?!!this writer is a retarded madguy without basic emotions or an imbecile socialite as shown in the movie in my opinion..
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RAMESH PURUSHOTTHAMAN
November 15, 2020
Better you could write every film story and Screenplay with it’s directors. VIP. Is a film which hero doesn’t even respect his father as human.itself. But, Suriya’s victory slaps many to sleepless. Dhanush is just a cracker. Suriya. A monster. and dynamite. Sudha Kongara proves this SP is life and VIP just film. Already comments mean what? Sanghi dhanush ka chamcha
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AdhithyaKR
November 16, 2020
@BR This was a really unpleasant comments section to go through, though it was amusing. I feel like it could do with a little moderation. Especially comments about the writer’s (and your) personal life, physical appearance, etc. I don’t see how it’s promoting healthy discussion and this is going to be really demotivating for first time writers.
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AdhithyaKR
November 16, 2020
@Amit: First, congrats on an engaging piece. I don’t agree with everything written in the article but it was an interesting and coherent read. Loved the last paragraph. Hope you don’t take all the toxic comments to heart. Do keep writing.
I feel there could have been a small paragraph conveying what you intended to do with the piece in the beginning. Maybe it’s the listicle format, but a point by point comparison makes Soorarai Pottru look lame in this article next to VIP. The context is being missed by the readers that they’re two different types of movies and this is just a set of observations where they are similar. At least, that’s the sense I got from the article.
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Nathan
November 16, 2020
Seriously, Amit! Where do you get off comparing two movies? If everybody started doing that, then every Singam movie would be fighting copyright battles with the next one!
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Faroo
November 16, 2020
@Amit: I really enjoyed your comparison. I wasn’t reminded of VIP while watching SP, but reading your article brought out the similarities. It also reminded me why I enjoyed VIP so much and felt SP was meh. Keep writing!!
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Heisenberg
November 16, 2020
@Amit – I think your comparisons for specific parts in each movie are valid. I also felt many of the scenes were rushed in soorarai pottru like highlights in a cricket match and it was hard absorb (especially the big fight with his dad).
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Heisenberg
November 16, 2020
BTW looks like BR’s blog is slowly becoming mainstream. We’re only few months/movies away from getting full fledged assault on this blog 😀 (Most likely from Ajith/Vijay fans)
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Srinivasan
November 16, 2020
Unfair to compare with VIP.
Anyway Dhanush Fans write in this way.
Real Film critics never compare and write this way.
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Srinivas R
November 16, 2020
This has got more comments than BR’s review. This is a key milestone in your career Amit, all the best to go onwards and upwards.
Also, thank heavens its a Surya movie. If Thala or Thalapathy fans read such unfavorable comparisons, this place would have turned a lot more toxic. I am tempted to do a psycho analysis on the toxic fans, but will hold off for my own good.
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Suriya****
November 16, 2020
BR, stop censoring my name!!!
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Rad
November 16, 2020
Thanks BR, this thread made my day!! This one has more laughs than Mookkuthi Amman!! ROFL “Intha article ezhuthi kondiruppavar ungal Baradwaj Rangan alla” reading this. Like the saying goes, hatred / anger blinds your vision, they can’t even figure out who the writer is.
BTW, Amit, I liked the way you called out similar setup / situations and shared how the directors handled it differently, which one worked for you and why, between the two movies. Nicely done.
I am sure BR is having fun in a cool weird way!! Choose your words, going mass, mainstream and all!! Next stop, party flag.
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Megavannan Pragasam
November 16, 2020
Its was a great registration of your view through the lenses you saw SP. I respect that, however, it’s my humble thought that SP was nowhere resembled a fictional story of VIP, whilst the former is a factual one.
Everyone must accept that it’s very hard for any director or a screenplay to depict to an entire fact based movie with the entire life of an achiever whose success we wish to see on a big screen within a limitation of just 120 to 160 minutes of the runtime of a movie. With that told I felt the team has done justice to the movie.
It’s my humble thought that VIP being a great movie of it own with it’s own ingredients for a factual based commercial movie, it is rose resembling any slightest touch of the former in SP. The movie is based on a few true incidents which will certainly give confidence and will motivate the struggling youngsters who are with great ideas to make their mark in the history to create success for all those this movie will certainly be a great booster to push them to the next level.
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shaviswa
November 16, 2020
ROFLOL!! I read the comments here only today!!!! Man….there are so many loonies out there on the internet I guess.
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Padmavathi Menakshisundaram
November 16, 2020
Loved this review. Beautiful comparison. While SP was artsy, VIP made itself a “mass” film. Yet somehow as cinema, VIP was more convincing.
I couldn’t agree more about the climax. We needed a real high after all that battering. Suffering on the line of Irudhi Suttru, Madhavan’s eyes moist with pride was our takeaway… at least give us a visual memory like that to walk away with.
The one and only thing this movie has working for it all the way is the female lead, it’s her movie, simply because we wanted only those scenes again and again. The only relief and the winner was Bommi. In that, this film beat VIP hands down.
Wish it were titled Bommi Bakery. Her triumph is no less worthy.
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brangan
November 16, 2020
Megavannan Pragasam: Whatever one’s views about the actual film, I’d say SP is as much “fiction” as VIP, and hardly a “factual one” as you say. Yes, it is “based on” a real-life story, but it takes such liberties that you can hardly call it a biopic.
Forget the caste angle. Forget that a Kannada-Brahmin is now a Tamil backward-caste person, or that even dominant-caste actors feel the need to play oppressed -class characters on screen to please the “masses”. These are things we know are the norm in Tamil cinema.
But even with just the “class” angle, the film transforms an upper-class capitalist entrepreneur into a bleeding-heart socialist. It has him spitting punch lines on Vijay Mallya when the latter actually bought the airline. You could add several such points.
For sure, any film can take any such creative liberties. My point is just that SP is hardly “factual” (which does not bother me one bit, because all I care if whether the film works in what it sets out to do, “factual” or not).
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Aman Basha
November 16, 2020
Actually, the more interesting story is how Mallya took over Air Deccan. As per Gopinath himself, it wasn’t a very pleasant experience and more a hostile takeover. But given that it doesn’t end well for the hero, it’s not delved into. Someone ought to make a movie on that someday.
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AdhithyaKR
November 16, 2020
That’ll be the day
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brangan
November 16, 2020
Madan: I was genuinely intrigued by this editing aspect, so I asked an editor (who will remain unnamed). This is the conversation.
Me: As an editor, you did not feel it was rushed?
Editor: It did feel rushed, as in a lot of sequences started midway and was cut too fast, etc. But I also felt that decision saved the film in a lot of ways. The script as you said in your review wasn’t special in any way. So if the pace was slower, the responses would have been drastically different.
A faster pace often gives audience a feeling that they are watching a smartly written film. So I think that’s the reason the majority loves the movie.
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brangan
November 16, 2020
Aman Basha: Actually, the more interesting story is how Mallya took over Air Deccan.
But again, I don’t mind that they ended on a high rather than showing him a “loser”. Several Hollywood “bio-pics” end at a high point.
As for “factual,” one of my favourite films (AMADEUS) is also almost fully “imagined”. Mozart and Salieri were actually friends beyond their initial says 😀
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shaviswa
November 16, 2020
@brangan Agree with that editor. Even with this Singam-like editing style, the film was laborious. With a regular edit, no one would have finished the movie.
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Movie buff
November 16, 2020
The core idea of the two movies are notthe same. He did not just strt the airline simply because of his father also , the driving point is not the father son equation . The movie is larger than that. While vip was not well put atleast in the second half. Sp is a movie about inspiration and courage. It revolves around desperation to acheive to break class and improve the standard of living of people . The driving force is not the father but his desperation for equality and growth. It is more deep rooted. So , your comparison of vip and sp is quite baseless sir.
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Madan
November 16, 2020
BR: That is a great point indeed. Maybe this kind of distracting editing is intended to make the unsahikable watchable.
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gnanaozhi
November 16, 2020
@amit, congrats you have made this a typical FB / YT comment section type cesspool now 😉 😉 lol.
Just kidding. Am surprised at the Intolerant “don’t write such articles blah blah”
I for one thought that it was a very interesting take. Wonder why though the consensus seems to be that SP was a superior movie. As pure Masala (which both are), I personally liked VIP more
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Voldemort
November 16, 2020
Madan : LOL at “unsahikable”
That’s such a nice word!
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Madan
November 16, 2020
Voldemort: Learnt it from Raja fans on the IR forum, not my word. 🙂
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shaviswa
November 16, 2020
Agree @gnanaozhi. I like VIP a lot more. Even recently, I watched it and the first especially is simply top notch. The second half of course is standard masala fare but still not mindless drivel or lacking in logic. But I will watch that film for it’s first half and always wonder what if – only if – the makers had the guts to make the entire movie like that. Would have been an awesome film.
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madhusudhan194
November 16, 2020
An amusing article with a more amusing comments section. If Maara in SP broke class and caste barriers, Amit Joki seems to have broken some barriers too in terms of the reader base of this blog. BR sir, you owe Amit big time.
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Ravi K
November 17, 2020
Speaking of editing, it would be great if you did a video interview with some editors, either as a one-on-one or with a group of editors.
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KaaviyaThalagani
November 17, 2020
HARD disagree with the editing bit.
(I’m an editor (for a few years now – just for context) but even otherwise)
While the edit can change the flow or focus of the picture, there’s NO way it can change the perception (intelligence or takeaway) of the audience. Namma audience enna avlo muttala? No chance.
It’s just catering to the lowest common attention span (in theatres) mindset and all the more annoying given that OTT allows you to take breaks, pause etc. The edit can just psychologically push the audience to FEEL a certain mood or rhythm, like Ayalathe’s romance in beats of threes in Angamaly Diaries or the intense cross-conversation between timelines in Steve Jobs – Both very fast sequences.
Which is why most tamizh audiences don’t complain about the pace in MUCH slower films online. They only notice when something is erratically cut a la Vada Chennai, Kadal, this film.
I’m sure they’re way sharper and more accepting of what they experience on screen than most other audiences, regardless of how well they can articulate it.
Rest is all just misconception from the technicians and the filmmaker.
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KaaviyaThalagani
November 17, 2020
On the contrary, it’s a disservice to the discerning members of the audience that likes to savour the moments that DO work well. This way, outside the flight-montage with various faces at the end of the film (which is magnificent) nothing is given too much time to register. So that’s what they take away the most.
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Madan
November 17, 2020
KaaviyaThalagar: Thanks for your comments. Interesting to know that it does indeed irk editors as much/more as it did to me.
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AdhithyaKR
November 19, 2020
Haha, my dad uses this word a lot but he’s not on any forums… Wonder what the origin of this word is.
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Alia
November 22, 2020
Two things:
1) Why do you say that certain moments need to be highlighted and dramaticized more in SP? I think the ending (and the other plot points) would be easily gone into cringe-territory if they were more dramatic. The balance between semi-mass moments and subtlety is one of the film’s best strengths imo.
2) Why the BS fixation with him slapping her once? This whole complaint about being “politically correct” in films since Arjun Reddy is starting to get really irritating. Yes, of course, he shouldn’t have slapped her. That’s obejectively wrong. BUT, especially in Indian relationships, I’ve seen/heard of many, many happily married couples— who fully respect each other and clearly see each other as equals— slap each other. It’s wrong, but it happens. That’s just the way it is in a lot of relationships, and it’s not fair to judge relationships (aka slapping each other once = time for divorce and respect and kindness towards each other = healthy relationship) without nuance. It should absolutely be acceptable to show relationships the way they really are in movies. No need to get all politically correct and liberal about it (and I say this as a liberal feminist).
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Alia
November 22, 2020
Also, I want to clarify that I’m not a Surya fan in particular and my previous comment has nothing to do with the actors I like. I think too many of the comments on this thread are being unfairly written off as “insane fan” comments.
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corkscrew2brainbottle
November 24, 2020
Funny anecdote. My grandmother, an avid cricket nut, had used the word ‘unsahikable’ to describe an Indian batting collapse way back in the 70s. As it came out of the blue from a person who didn’t speak or write English, it sort of caught on with repeated references in my family to elicit giggles initially. Today, ‘unsahikable’ is still commonly used among close relatives to describe anything close to cringeworthy. It is weirdly funny to see it surface in this family as well, thanks to Madan 🙂
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Kay
November 24, 2020
Alia – one slap ≠ divorce but one slap (during a confrontation) = disrespect. Not just between adults but even between an adult and a child. There’s no two ways about it.
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anonymousviolin20
July 24, 2022
Hope all the Suriya fans are placated after the 5 National Award wins for this film lol
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sanjana
July 25, 2022
This comments space is like a virtual battlefield. A good advertisement for both the movies discussed and dissed. Thanks to all who contributed!
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