of late, I have become accustomed to your long form interviews BR. This one ended abruptly…you have said in the past about all the variables at play during an interview – time allotted, flights to catch, to get a soundbite for a reel… maybe some of these variables were at play. Also I think she doesn’t seem to really know your work…Sara, anyway is not half as good on-screen as she is off-screen…it needs an Aanand LRai type director to coax a performance out of her I guess (not even Imtiaz worked out imo)
btw, I have quite enjoyed your chats with Janhavi Kapoor…
Vikram S: Just responding to this part of your comment: Sara, anyway is not half as good on-screen as she is off-screen … not even Imtiaz worked out imo.
I’m a huuuge fan of Imtiaz’s movies. But extracting performances out of his lead actresses has not been his biggest strength. Those who seem to be natural and spontaneous (for lack of better words) such as Ayesha Takia (Socha Na Tha), or Alia (Highway), end up giving smashing performances. But witness Deepika in LAK1, or Nargis Fakhari in Rockstar, or Sara in LAK2. Even someone as good as Anushka ended up with a rather flat performance in Harry Met Sejal. Deepika in Tamasha was good, but IMO very little was asked of her compared to Ranbir who shouldered most of the complex and heavy emotions in that movie.
Santa, I see your point. Maybe Kareena in jwm also can be grouped under the spontaneous actors? I quite liked DP in LAK1 & Tamasha. HMS was anyway a trainwreck with no survivors. LAK2…what can one say … Highway very good but hasn’t aged well…
Imtiaz seems to ask very little of his female leads since his films are usually about the female lead being a distant/ unattainable object of desire and his narrative is always from the male lead’s pov.
Haven’t seen HIGHWAY or LAK in a long time, but this topic of “aging well” (or not) is always of interest because there are two types of older films — one we have seen at an earlier age and are now revisiting (with those memories), and one that we never saw (eg. CITIZEN KANE) and are now watching with zero memories.
I have found the “aging” aspect easier to judge in the former films. The latter category — it’s more difficult to say.
BR, I agree on the revisited part. Seeing something for the first time is a fraught exercise. My kids couldn’t sit through Godfather…they dropped out saying it’s too slow…and here I am still nursing those wounds :-))
a key aspect of ageing is that we try to see something made in the past and then judge it with our current worldview. Say something like Seinfeld being judged today for lack of diversity. Or Friends for a similar reason.
I think the memory aspect of it is unrelated to whether we like the movie or not while revisiting it
Yes, we will reminisce about how we felt when we first watched it or we might re-live a part of our past, but I think we will also parallelly be responding to what we feel about it now – and will end up saying either “I can’t believe I liked this before” or “Wow, this is still so good”. At least that has been my experience:
Was a huge fan of Billa (2007 Ajith one) as a child. When I rewatched it last year, I realized it had nothing other than stylish people walking slowly with a cool BGM
Loved Taare Zameen Par, cried buckets every time i saw it as a kid. When I saw it again recently… I still felt very sad, and I remembered how sad I used to feel watching this movie, and I felt more sad. But I was also parallelly thinking “how manipulative is all of this?”
Imtiaz Ali movies age brilliantly IMO – and for that matter, any movie that dives deep enough into human psyche or relationships will, because we change with time as humans and when we watch a movie in Phase #824 of our life, we will see if differently as we did during Phase #313, because our views have changed and so has our ‘lens’
“Silsila” and “Daag” may be considered somewhat unconventional choices for a cinephile. While they are not regarded as bad films, they aren’t frequently cited as favorites.
Silsila and Daag had glamour, great starcast, music, gloss and a passable storyline. YRF before the advent of the next brigade did much better. Even today those 2 movies are somewhat watchable.
Both Silsila and Daag had plots about broken marriages and a man getting involved with 2 women. Atrangi Re, arguably Sara’s best performance till date, is about a woman who has trauma from childhood after being separated from her parents.
I check siblings who are nepo-kids and find that the one is who more successful ALWAYS has a more difficult relationship with their parent(s) and a more painful personal life. For example, Saif Ali Khan got his National Award in 2005. His mother Sharmila Tagore, who was the censor-board chief, was accused of lobbying for him since many considered SRK’s performance in Swades to be better than his performance in Hum Tum.
Vikram s
March 25, 2024
of late, I have become accustomed to your long form interviews BR. This one ended abruptly…you have said in the past about all the variables at play during an interview – time allotted, flights to catch, to get a soundbite for a reel… maybe some of these variables were at play. Also I think she doesn’t seem to really know your work…Sara, anyway is not half as good on-screen as she is off-screen…it needs an Aanand LRai type director to coax a performance out of her I guess (not even Imtiaz worked out imo)
btw, I have quite enjoyed your chats with Janhavi Kapoor…
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Santa
March 26, 2024
Vikram S: Just responding to this part of your comment: Sara, anyway is not half as good on-screen as she is off-screen … not even Imtiaz worked out imo.
I’m a huuuge fan of Imtiaz’s movies. But extracting performances out of his lead actresses has not been his biggest strength. Those who seem to be natural and spontaneous (for lack of better words) such as Ayesha Takia (Socha Na Tha), or Alia (Highway), end up giving smashing performances. But witness Deepika in LAK1, or Nargis Fakhari in Rockstar, or Sara in LAK2. Even someone as good as Anushka ended up with a rather flat performance in Harry Met Sejal. Deepika in Tamasha was good, but IMO very little was asked of her compared to Ranbir who shouldered most of the complex and heavy emotions in that movie.
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Vikram s
March 26, 2024
Santa, I see your point. Maybe Kareena in jwm also can be grouped under the spontaneous actors? I quite liked DP in LAK1 & Tamasha. HMS was anyway a trainwreck with no survivors. LAK2…what can one say … Highway very good but hasn’t aged well…
Imtiaz seems to ask very little of his female leads since his films are usually about the female lead being a distant/ unattainable object of desire and his narrative is always from the male lead’s pov.
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brangan
March 26, 2024
Haven’t seen HIGHWAY or LAK in a long time, but this topic of “aging well” (or not) is always of interest because there are two types of older films — one we have seen at an earlier age and are now revisiting (with those memories), and one that we never saw (eg. CITIZEN KANE) and are now watching with zero memories.
I have found the “aging” aspect easier to judge in the former films. The latter category — it’s more difficult to say.
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Vikram s
March 26, 2024
BR, I agree on the revisited part. Seeing something for the first time is a fraught exercise. My kids couldn’t sit through Godfather…they dropped out saying it’s too slow…and here I am still nursing those wounds :-))
a key aspect of ageing is that we try to see something made in the past and then judge it with our current worldview. Say something like Seinfeld being judged today for lack of diversity. Or Friends for a similar reason.
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abishekspeare
March 26, 2024
I think the memory aspect of it is unrelated to whether we like the movie or not while revisiting it
Yes, we will reminisce about how we felt when we first watched it or we might re-live a part of our past, but I think we will also parallelly be responding to what we feel about it now – and will end up saying either “I can’t believe I liked this before” or “Wow, this is still so good”. At least that has been my experience:
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Rahul
March 26, 2024
“Silsila” and “Daag” may be considered somewhat unconventional choices for a cinephile. While they are not regarded as bad films, they aren’t frequently cited as favorites.
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mvky
March 26, 2024
Silsila and Daag had glamour, great starcast, music, gloss and a passable storyline. YRF before the advent of the next brigade did much better. Even today those 2 movies are somewhat watchable.
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BR fan
March 27, 2024
Considering her sense of humor she could be the next juhi chawla if she gets such roles
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Isai
April 1, 2024
Both Silsila and Daag had plots about broken marriages and a man getting involved with 2 women. Atrangi Re, arguably Sara’s best performance till date, is about a woman who has trauma from childhood after being separated from her parents.
I check siblings who are nepo-kids and find that the one is who more successful ALWAYS has a more difficult relationship with their parent(s) and a more painful personal life. For example, Saif Ali Khan got his National Award in 2005. His mother Sharmila Tagore, who was the censor-board chief, was accused of lobbying for him since many considered SRK’s performance in Swades to be better than his performance in Hum Tum.
This is what Saif’s sister Soha says about his relationship with their mother: https://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/soha-ali-khan-calls-mom-sharmila-tagore-slight-nag-says-she-fights-with-saif-ali-khan-i-ve-to-intercede-101641819985661.html
And people get annoyed when I say that it is not privilege but pain caused by their family that makes a nepo-kid successful.
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