By Alex John
Telugu cinema is having a dream run, and Indian cinema needs it now more than ever. Okay, no claims of prophecy here, as I wrote this article in the “Reader’s write in” (link (1) below) about how Telugu cinema is going to spread its wings only after the roaring success of ‘Bahubali: the conclusion’ all over India, and the strange acceptance the extremely ‘south-ish’ ‘KGF’ got in the north. Yet, there was an air of reluctance, an almost snobbish indifference about the overwhelmingly ‘desi’ Telugu cinema invading Indian cinema, among the ‘lovers of good cinema’. I concluded the aforementioned article by saying ‘” maybe Tollywood is destined to carry on with our ‘spice-cinema legacy’. Maybe it’s filmmakers are going to keep our ‘masala cinema’ culture alive, and make the world pay attention to it, again. May be it’s their turn to make us fall in love with the DDLJ-brand of cinema all over again”. The handful of comments under this article expressed concerns over us going back to that ‘artless’ era of songs and dances. Like, is this trend going to hurt our elevated cinematic sensibilities? Will these films impede our progress into being a nation producing great films?
Well, this is happening. Telugu films are on a roll all over the country. A hitherto unknown director is competing with Hollywood in terms of scale and box office returns. Hitherto unknown actors like Prabhas and Allu Arjun have become overnight stars all over India. Bollywood is rapidly taking the back seat when it comes to the pan Indian appeal of films. Is this because the Telugu industry went back to the era of songs and dances? Not at all, because that era never went anywhere. It was always with us like an “embarrassment in the closet”. Telugu cinema just re-invented it. Or I would say they just…refurbished it. Look at what Allu Arjun has been doing for the last. say, 5 years. He has been doing what Hrithik Roshan has been doing half-heartedly for years. Both are terrific entertainers; both of them dance their hearts out, but it is obvious that Hrithik carefully chooses films that cater to the corners of Western sensibility in India. Allu Arjun, on the other hand, danced his way into being one of the biggest matinee idols of the south. It was just a matter of time before Bollywood realized the difference in the attitudes of these huge stars, and when it did, it resulted in an almost unknown movie star’s film being treated at par with one of the northern superstars’ films (Parallels to this can be drawn with the sudden rise of Kamal Hassan in the north when that one-man industry called Amitabh Bachchan started to dwindle and the other stars were trying too hard to be hip, on and off screen-a trend that continued until Aamir Khan came up with the latest version of Romeo and Juliet at that time).

Apologies if I am boring you with my previous articles in this section, but in my first write-up posted here (link (2) below) I tried to make a point on how film industries can go down the chute if its directors unyieldingly insist on giving its audience the kind of films they love to make, instead of the kind of films its audience wants. I brought up the rather dispiriting examples of the film industries from Europe to West Bengal to highlight this point. Now, I am not trying to say Bollywood has gone as far as the neonoir era Italy to almost completely alienate its viewers, but its films these days are drifting away from its non-metro filmgoers. Its male and female superstars appeal mostly to the urban viewers and their predilections. What once were considered the quintessence of Indian cinema is now more less embarrasses our filmmakers. Bhojpuri film industry, which was once considered to be an upcoming contender for the dominance in the rural areas of the north didn’t quite stick mainly due to its heavily amateurish approach to filmmaking. Now, what about our regional industries? Tamil cinema once used to lead the southern cinema, but is now stuck in the purgatory between spice-films and its almost sickening political-launch pad movies. There was a time when I was spending more days in cinemas those played Tamil movies than in classrooms, but sadly, but those days of unapologetic mass-masala Tamil movies seem to be long gone. Malayalam cinema churns out average to great films one after another, but its true acceptance in a national level still seems a very remote prospect. Non-KGF Kannada films are still largely unknown to the outside world, and Yash, for some reason, seems far away from the level of stardom his Telugu counterparts attained in North India, despite being “the KGF actor”.
Telugu cinema, on the other hand, seems gleefully insulated from the maddening outside world of excessive political correctness and movie woke-ism. It relentlessly runs its mass-market move machine that spits out rambunctious action-dramas those seldom care about the new-world sensibilities. Is that a good thing? It can be, when you are constantly served with movies that are so extensively politically conscious that they often forget to entertain you. Movies, mainstream or art, are best enjoyable when they are reflective of the society they come out of, not when they are buoyant about it. Telugu cinema epitomizes this in a hammed up, flamboyant fashion. Its movies maybe hyperbolic, but they are rooted in the real world so that an average movie goer doesn’t feel like Alice in Wonderland in a movie hall, and the added spices and gala paradoxically serves the purpose of escaping the very real world the film is rooted in. This brass-necked escapism is what lacking in the other film industries of India, and it is this void that is being occupied by the Telugu cinema all over the country.
Now, am I a fan of Telugu masala films? Well, I am not. I love mass cinema for sure, but am more enchanted by the Lijo Jose Pellissery school of cinema, where you should pretend not to be surprised when you see two obscure fellows searching for someone obscurer, and in the end, everyone flies off to the effing moon for no effing reason. Yet, it is not hard to see what is happening in our nation’s cinema, no matter you like It or not. I often fantasize myself sitting along with LJP, quoting his famous lines “no plans to change, no plans to impress”; just that I would add this to it; “no plans to change, no plans to impress, but I wouldn’t want my industry to be full of people like me”. Art-house/woke-ish romanticism might make you feel fulfilled, but time has already proved it could be fatal for the very industry you belong to. I felt really irked when superstar films made a comeback in the Malayalam industry after a 2- year hiatus which had led to a flood of great OTT movies, which I thought was a joy kill, but it remains a fact we can’t turn our backs to the reality that no industry can survive on these films for long. We need the extravaganzas that cater to the much larger section of the audience, or you’ll see the industries that can produce such films invading your movie world. Even if you are a lover of cinematic subtleties, you need RRR’s and Pushpa’s for the parallel cinema you love to survive. I wrote this at the risk of sounding snobbish, but I’m just an off-center movie buff who is also very aware of the real world our film industries are set in. I am going ahead and writing what I wrote again; “it might be the turn of the Telugu filmmakers to take us back to that time of more-hearts-than-brains, when entertaining the audience was considered far more important than edifying it”.
- https://baradwajrangan.wordpress.com/2020/11/06/readers-write-in-292-25-years-of-ddlj-thekind-of-cinema-indian-cinema-esp-bollywood-unwisely-left-behind/
- 2) https://baradwajrangan.wordpress.com/2019/10/27/readers-write-in-105-dear-coppolamarvel-movies-are-not-despicable-but-are-mediocrities-we-cant-do-away-with/
sanjay
April 14, 2022
Hindi movies are too busy toeing the official line of the Power Corridors and engaged in brainwashing and peddling soft xenophobia hence it has lost the sheen and not reflecting the true status of society.
Please be reminded the core of masala is anti-establishment and bringing the public angst against the system and giving it an outlet so one is transported to the fantasy world where the hero is giving voice to the grievances of a common man in a make believe world where a normal street alec is having the guts to quit and mouth lines like – ” main jhukhega nahi saala”
So until the Bollywood chumps developed a spine, I have no hope for any real revival mode of hindi cinema. Just look at the trajectory of Karan Johar’s / Ayan Mukherjee “Dragon” which has now turned into a religious fest “Brahmastra” with Varanasi thrown around in the Ranbir- Alia media loop of PR / marketing . So until Bollywood gets honest with itself there is nothing happening and we will continue to get a War or a Baaghi where hero will be fighting with imaginary Syria and Iraqi armies and not the real demons at home and thugs within our own country.
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Alex John
April 14, 2022
@Sanjay
Spot on about the movies set in Iraq and Syria. I don’t understand why Bollywood bankrolls these movies when the countries those actually fought/ are fighting wars in the middle east have more or less given up on such films. Movies mostly are glorified accounts of real life, so even if these films might excite us for a while for their “Hollywood flavor”, the excitement wears out very quick. Like you said, we need more movies set in our own milieus, for anything that is “stylishly-alien” to us will have us bored to death very fast, for all its style and grandeur. Think about what happened to those flashy NRI movies of the 2000s.
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RK
April 14, 2022
Being from Telugu states, it feels really strange when folks from other states praise TFI 🙂 My brother, who is an avid movie buff, is a big fan of Tamil movies/directors/actors and always used to say that TFI can’t match the talent of Tamil industry, which I grudgingly agree :). All the movies in TFI has single mantra i.e. entertainment and all the lead actors have better dancing/fighting skills than acting skills. But I guess finally TFI’s time has come and North indian market is looking only for these factors now. With many of the stars (ex : Allu Arjun, Charan, NTR, Prabhas, Mahesh) having a solid financial/political backing and highly committed to expand the market, future looks more promising for TFI market.
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Madan
April 15, 2022
RK: I think the problem with Tamil lately is the directors speak too much to the Tamil universe and echo chamber which makes them less relatable to a larger audience outside. It’s not that the technical excellence is gone but that it lacks a pan India scope that Sridhar in the 60s, KB in the 80s or Mani in the 90s had. Shankar with Endhiran was the last director to achieve that. As a Tamilian, I find myself watching fewer and fewer Tamil films for that reason. Because I don’t live in TN and the politics that seems so important to them that it must inform their films at any cost doesn’t either add much to my enjoyment or maybe even detracts from it. Soorarai Pootru is a case in point. Of how they took a national icon and reduced him to a parochial sentamilnaatil pirandha low caste warrior. Which would be fine if it wasn’t so utterly dishonest and amounted to blatant pandering. But not only that, by reducing the scope, it missed out on the opportunity to reach a bigger audience outside TN.
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film_buff
April 15, 2022
Tamil films made by big starts are what you call a “poota case”. No point talking about them. Commercial Tamil cinema other than that is now appealing mostly to the urban audience (doctor, maanadu etc). But there is a good set of non commercial tamil movies over the last few years which is good for the industry. Even Ponniyin selvan would be good only if it keeps the core intact (cauvery, veeranam, small time kings politicking etc), if the script loses its authenticity in the name of pan Indian appeal the movie would flop in TN. Despite the above mentioned shift in tamil commercial cinema, there is a still a good chunk of audience in TN and of course in rest of the country who still want to watch the good old masala movie. That’s where telugu cinema is shining. But if tamil starts choose to make a pushpa they will be mercilessly trolled and the film would flop.
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Jeeva Pitchaimani
April 15, 2022
I m so glad I am seeing an essay about something which I really want to preserve – a genuine Indian invention – the great Indian masala cinema. May be Alex, you and me and probably Rangan are in the minority, but I really miss the great masala movies that once filled my childhood and adolescence. Whenever I search for a film to sit with my family and watch especially during a festival like Diwali, I can just go back to only the yesteryear Suresh Krishnas and KS Ravikumars and not someone who belongs to this day. I can watch a Dhool or Enthiran or a Baasha but how can I sit and watch a blockbuster like Jai Bhim or Maanaadu which is either super serious or a bit complicated for my mother’s taste, on a festival day where I want to be in ‘a celebration zone’? Of course, I am glad we are having niche films like these which were a rarity during my childhood but in the process of becoming international why have we forgotten to cater to the locals? This is one reason why Sivakarthikeyan was enjoying a boom for a while in the villages but he too seems to have been bitten by the ‘niche’ bug after Hero and Doctor.
As Rangan mentioned recently I enjoyed Dangal which fit really well in the genre of Feel Good masala that Aamir had pioneered that started with his 3 idiots but it was only SSR who reminded me of who I really am. He is the only one who as Rangan keeps telling, takes this genre very seriously and every frame and turn and movement of these films are filled with that sensibility to cater to everyone. As we grow up, it is very fashionable to say ‘I like films with complex characters like a hero who needs to visit his therapist or a villain who doesn’t want to be genuinely bad’. And of course I need to see films which approach some levels of reality and show the unexplored sides of human beings and their idiosyncrasies but it must not happen at the cost of losing something which I had loved all through my childhood. I need superheros like Baasha’s Manickam or RRR’s Alluri Ram to keep reminding me that being great or being infallible is not so difficult if one can keep at it. I know all these characters are caricatures but it must also be remembered that some illusions or dreams are worth carrying along even if they are not going to be realised someday. But it is one nice way to lead your mundane, flawed existence and compare your personal tragedies and drama with those that filled up these masala stories and draw a good bucketful of self-sympathy and confidence with one comforting assumption – all your troubles will end someday and ‘you will live happily ever after’.
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The Man The Myth The Legend
April 15, 2022
This doesn’t make sense. After RRR, which Telugu film are you hoping will break out pan-india this year? You may have to wait till Pushpa 2 comes out. Even until then…nobody is ready to acknoledge just recently they are coming off a mega pan indian flop from Radhe Shyam, Khiladi, Bheemla Nayak etc
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Alex John
April 15, 2022
@Jeeva
I still cherish the memories of the time when Mohanlal in Malayalam and Rajinikanth in Tamil used to be a part of some of the great mass-market movies of the time. I think the era of great masala movies in Tamil continued until around when movies like ‘Ayan, and ‘Singam were released..Salman Khan pioneered the masala films in Bollywood around this time. Since then, we saw the gradual decline of such films over the last decade in the country.
Just finished watching Chris Stuckmann’s review of the film ‘Ambulance’, in which the guy, as ever, laments the lack of the mid-budget action flicks in Hollywood off-late. There is something in the air that makes filmmakers/ people oblivious to the charm of the simplistic, unapologetic mass movies nowadays, around the globe. Are we too comfortable to seek solace in the escapism these movies offer? Or are we becoming too prideful to admit we like such films? I’m not sure. Either way, I miss those escapist fares of yore, even my cinematic tastes are inclined towards experimental cinema.
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Madan
April 16, 2022
But the problem isn’t lack of masala in Tamil. It’s that Vijay/Ajith suck epically and their (or even some of the other movies featuring the other stars) movies have gone beyond masala and totally jump the shark with no coherent narrative or messing up of a decent conceit with a whole mountainload of deux-es-machinas (Jayem movies fit into this category). What Telugu has achieved with these few successful movies (and I offer no comment on the remaining 99% that are allegedly as gloriously bad as ever) is to return to delivering a simple but grand conceit with, well, grandeur and style. That is the mode in which masala works best. The problem is that mode can and does get repetitive. Hindi broke out of it not because stars turned woke overnight (there was no wokeism in today’s sense in the early 00s) but because the old masala formula was delivering grand turkeys like Mela or Mann. A change of tone was needed then. It is needed again today because it is now the multiplex movies that have become not just ubiquitous but stale. They have also become vehicles of transmitting social empowerment messages that may be heartwarming to hear but have diminishing entertainment value. Both Baahubali and RRR delivered unabashed, mindless, brainless entertainment for which there will always be a market. It is disturbing to hear Karan Johar confirm what we suspect: that most directors in Hindi today don’t even know how to capture that tone.
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Madan
April 16, 2022
” I can watch a Dhool or Enthiran or a Baasha but how can I sit and watch a blockbuster like Jai Bhim or Maanaadu which is either super serious or a bit complicated for my mother’s taste, on a festival day where I want to be in ‘a celebration zone’? ” – That’s a false binary when it comes to Tamil, though. The problem isn’t JB or Maanaadu. The problem is how bad the likes of Master or Beast are compared to the earlier masala films. The two stars who are the biggest commercial juggernauts in Tamil cinema today are also its biggest headaches because they polarize unlike previous mass stars. Rajni didn’t polarize. Even after the fans got obsessed with the sloganeering at the expense of even a pretense of plot or narrative, what I experienced was only mild irritation, not an overwhelming urge to run away from those films the way I do with Vijay/Ajith.
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Jeeva Pitchaimani
April 16, 2022
Alex, I am so impressed with the choice of your favourite mass films in Ayan, Singam etc. I think Ayan is one of the finest ‘almost there’ mass masala films in the last decade or so. I liked M Kumaran when I saw in 2005. It was pucca masala (Telugu remake). Singam came in 2010 and it too was ‘almost there’ great. But even Hari cannot make those kind of films anymore. The universe has to conspire and a lot of things have to come in harmony for a great masala film to appear on earth . Even the same film makers cannot repeat them so easily. Hari was never able to come near the greatness of Saamy in my opinion. Same for Dharani for who did Dhil, Dhool and Ghilli. KSR was doing them in the 90s with a fairly better strike rate than others but it is so sad that he is the last in Tamil. And for a masala film to work, we need great comedians, great music, great cast and of course a great script and most importantly, all of them to work in perfect tandem. So it is not completely in the hands of one person to make a damn good masala movie. After Singam, Kaththi and Thuppaaki came close (the only weak link in Singam was the comedy). Enthiran too is ‘almost there’. Osthe could have been a great masala film had STR been replaced in favour of someone else – the music was good, comedy was nice and someone like Vikram could have aced it. STR single-handedly wrecked that film. Sethupathy starring VJS came a bit close but VJS wasn’t too comfortable with that role in my opinion.
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Jeeva Pitchaimani
April 16, 2022
Madan, we think alike in terms of Vijay Ajith too. 90 percent of the films of these actors are made purely for the FDFS. Which directly means that these film makers want to see only how the film does in the first weekend. So their target audience is pretty narrow as a result of which people with a sweet tooth for good masala are instantly repelled by how flagrantly discriminating these films are- ‘strictly for thala/Thalapathy fans’. I decided with Viswasam that I am not going to see an Ajith film anymore, ever. And Vijay’s last few films except Master are all pure fan packages and I had absolutely no patience for them. Atlee, Siva and Pandiraj are those who will ensure that I will keep finding reasons to hate mass masala even if I am a strong masala devotee.
Another great point Alex made here is the way wokeism is making sure none is going to have a good time at the movies. Why couldn’t movies be simple minded and easy going just like the majority of the audience are ? In one scene in M Kumaran, Jayam Ravi lashes out at his sister for getting into the loo with her boyfriend. I know it is consensual and a brother has no say in her adult sister’s sex life, granted. But this ‘conservative’ scene has a strong emotional hook that pays off nicely at the climax and this scene worked for me then. May be I have changed in the last 17 years but back then, a lot of brothers were taught to protect their sisters like that and this scene rang true.
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Madan
April 16, 2022
“Another great point Alex made here is the way wokeism is making sure none is going to have a good time at the movies. ” – Not just the movies, but in general. I hope Will Smith has, inadvertently, woken up the world with that slap. But I am going to bet that the wokes will dig in and still pretend cancel culture is an aberration. Oh, and how dare Chris Rock make a joke, the only riposte to such ‘violent’ words is, well, actual violence and if that means breaking California law, so be it.
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Alex John
April 16, 2022
@Jeeva
‘Almost there’ is how I would describe Ayan too. It had a ‘Hollywood-ish cool’ which is largely alien to Indian films in general, but it didn’t quite get there completely.
Like I said, there is something in the air these days that prevents the filmmakers from giving us those no-holds-barred masala films from before 2010. Is that excessive woke-ism? Or the unrealistic aspiration of our filmmakers to turn everything they do into international stuff (our filmmakers are reciting the names of Scorcese and Ki-Duk much more than ever)? Even the films like Kathi and Thuppakki makes us feel the filmmakers are trying to prove something rather than entertaining us.
And yes, Simbu didn’t fit in the ‘Osthe’ character at all. That Salman Khan trait of being-childish-with-serious-undertones was largely missing in the Tamil version of that character. Vikram would have nailed it of course, but I have a strange feeling that even an actor like Vijay Antony would have done more justice to that role than Simbu.
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sanjana
April 16, 2022
Telugu cinema is also part of Indian cinema. Instead it can be like telugu cinema versus bollywood or kollywood.
Indian cinema is having a dream run, not telugu cinema in particular.
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vijay
April 16, 2022
As long as Annathe, Valimai or Beast are making money and the actors/producers are happy they are’nt going to give a damn ababout any pan-India audience or whatever. You need that if your budget is inching towards 500Cr.Like if Ponniyin selvan is really 500Cr, then Mani maybe needs a pan India penetration to break even and then make some. Vijay has a healthy market base even in the unlikeliest of places-Kerala, where Beast has opened well again
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/tamil/movies/news/beast-vijay-starrer-gets-record-breaking-fan-shows-in-kerala/articleshow/90704011.cms
and looks like they have already made 100Cr in just 2 days.
So despite what a few of us may be lamenting about here, looks like the ecosystem which includes the star fans are happy enough about this whole thing. It would require a couple of big bombs to spur introspection and reinvention.
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Alex John
April 16, 2022
@ Vijay
The Tamil stars may be doing this for now, but if they think they can do this forever, well, they are wrong. There was a trend in Kerala in the decade before the last, when the stars didn’t care about the quality of the film, because they knew the satellite/overseas rights for the film would cover the production costs. Like you are know, average film-goers like me were worried at the time that if that trend was going to last forever. But it all came crashing down when people stopped watching those shitty films even in television, which paved way for the new-wave movement in Malayalam cinema everyone hails now.
So, if the Tamil stars think they can survive playing bunt shots forever, its is just a matter of time before they will be proven wrong. May be for better.
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vijay
April 16, 2022
Alex, you hope so. Because Ajith/Vijay have been doing this close to 2 decades now. Its not like as if Sura/Villu/Vettaikaaran were any better than what Vijay is offering in Beast. Just that the hype levels are much higher now, and his teasing political stance(which he probably stole from Rajni) along with DMK monopolizing the big movies production is helping him as well..Like I saida a couple of bombs will set the ball rolling in a different direction. Not just an ordinary bomb, but a Baba-level bomb. But I am not holding my bretah because the biggies in TN are virtualy assured of a free run for the first 2 weeks these days thanks to how the business is run. And that may not change in the next 4 years..Ultimately, much like in politics, its left to the audience/fans/followers/us to drive that change…And thats usually a painfully long wait.
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Thupparivaalan
April 16, 2022
Wait I might be colored by bias and nostalgia, but ayan is an almost there film aa, it’s a perfect film lol. Great action set pieces, solid emotional core, Surya and tamannah at their peak, great music, it’s a perfect film. It was the first film I watched at theaters that I went out with friends. I remember me and my friends skipping few rows to go and dance for that honey honey song, we caught a few disapproving stares from the family crowd. Kamlesh is an great villian and the film in a while has so many quotable lines.
The way Surya switches from ‘I don’t wanna be a mushroom in your company’ to ‘naa, ulla neruppu maari irukudhunga naa’ gets me everytime. ‘laddu la vachen nu ninachiya daa, nut la vachen’ is another gem. ‘un porul un kaiku varum settu’, I could go on and on.
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Madan
April 16, 2022
Thupparivaalan : Funnily enough, Ayan was the first time I came out feeling a little irritated from a Tamil mass film. The conceit was interesting but wasn’t executed well enough, which I could say about a number of films since then. In my defence, I hadn’t watched stuff like Gilli in the middle so I was caught unawares more than I should have been. I hadn’t caught on to the change of tone where we suddenly went from tightly put together masala action like Kaakha Kaakha, Ghajini or VV to the incoherence of Ayan.
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R. Kailasham
April 16, 2022
Ennappa ore oppaari saththama irukku. There is still hope in the form of Lokesh Kanagaraj. Waiting eagerly for Vikram. Karthik Subburaj showed a lot of promise, but the trailer of Mahaan seemed too serious to be a masala film, so I didn’t check it out.
Hoping that Pushkar-Gayathri become a more regular feature in the director landscape.
Also, movies by Hip-Hop Thamizha are reasonably good masala material, and remain watchable by the whole family.
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vijay
April 17, 2022
Kailasham, expecting a 66-year old senior citizen to revive the masala genre? How demanding of you? 🙂
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vijay
April 17, 2022
Alex, you(or we) may be in the minority I am afraid. Quite a few viewers here in this blog itself have given a thumbs up to Beast over the last few days, not to mention the general fans outside. So dig in your heels and load up for the long haul ahead..this ain’t going away anytime soon
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Alex John
April 17, 2022
@ Vijay
I can’t help but compare this to the situation of Malayalam films in the 2010s again.At the time, we too were worried to hilt that it was never going to change. The big Ms of Malayalam cinema were in their 40s and 50s. Just like you mentioned the fans of Beast, there were a great number of fans who lapped up the tedious family dramas these two were churning out. We also had a long, tiresome wait of almost a decade for the things to change, but when the change came, it came with a bang. I believe there is a fairly good number of actors in Tamil who want to be a part of sensible films, be it masala or offbeat. Its just that these huge stars are just eclipsing their efforts with their mega-releases. And then there is the excessive political inclination of Tamil cinema that makes it impossible for the filmmakers to do the make-belief stuff they used to do with flair a decade ago.
All that being said, I still believe this can;t go on forever, and things will change for good in the Tamil film industry. Eagerly waiting for those grand suspend-your-disbelief stuff to make a come back in Tamil cinema.
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brangan
April 17, 2022
Alex John: The 2010s you talk about was also a very different time. It was either TV or the movies – if you wanted entertainment. It’s a whole new world now, with the smartphone and downloads and so on.
There’s no guarantee that history will repeat itself, especially in an industry that keeps betting on stars and even people — even cinephiles — decide that they will only go to big-star movies in theatres. The rest can be watched at home.
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Madan
April 17, 2022
“even people — even cinephiles — decide that they will only go to big-star movies in theatres. The rest can be watched at home.” – I think Karan Johar has pretty much predicted this and he is right. And also, irrespective of what some specific cinephiles may want, if producers and distributors like Dharma decide some movies are tentpole and meant for the big screen and some for OTT only, that’s how it will be. You can see the contours already – Gehraiyaan and Atrangi Re were received well on OTT. 83 and Jhund decided to first offer themselves up on the big screen and tanked. GK, Pushpa, RRR and KGF have done well on theater. Without even watching Beast, I can safely say it is a lot more like the last category of films. So if ‘A center’ permanently migrates to OTT, we will in fact get even more of Beast.
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Alex John
April 17, 2022
@brangan
You are right about the very limited modes of entertainment at the time(correction, I was actually talking about the Malayalam cinema in the 2000s not the 2010s), but I was actually hoping this change would come to the big-star Tamil movies themselves, not exactly what happened in the Malayalam cinema, as these industries are structurally very different from each other. In fact, I realize I am not even hoping for something new here, just wanting Tamil cinema to go back to the time of its glorious masala films we were all crazy about once upon a time.
Of course, I could be wrong here as I look the Tamil film industry from the outside, but I think if Tamil cinema keeps producing such halfhearted star-vehicles for a long time, it could find itself in deep water that might take decades to recover from.
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vijay
April 17, 2022
Plus, a big recent elephant in the room that nobody including Galatta plus will talk about is that DMK under Udhayanidhi has taken over the film business and they are arm-twisting theaters to continue playing Beast even where the film is running to half packed thetares. They will ensure that every bad biggie that they are funding from now on(which is virtually all of them) is run competiton-free in theaters for 2 weeks regardless of what those films offer. so why would there be an incentive for the Nelsons and Atlees of the world to churn out anything painstakingly crafted?
Its not about A center moving to OTTs..A lot of A center audiences themselves, with more spending power and less options(artifically created by the politician backed business model inn TN) have started watching these movies. Just look at the comments of some of the regulars here who say it is “fun” and its “not at all bad” and so on..Even those who crib, they do so, AFTER they catch the film first week. Its a combination of more spending power+revenge watching+lack of options on festival days creating a potent mix. Otherwise, as bad as these 3 films have been-Valimai, Annathe, Beast- what explains them easily crossing 100cr mark?
Expect more form this DMK gang as they hold the ditribution rights for Vikram, Don and other biggies..
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Madan
April 17, 2022
Revenge watching and lack of options will dissipate as factors as the post covid world returns more and more to normal. But the fact that middle budget movies are moving to OTT hand in hand will in any case eliminate competition to the star vehicle as a format.
And: “DMK under Udhayanidhi has taken over the film business and they are arm-twisting theaters to continue playing Beast even where the film is running to half packed thetares” – Sounds like what Yash Chopra did with DDLJ at Maratha Mandir multiplied 100x.
We will basically have to wait for Vijay and Ajith to get old, really old. Ajith by sporting grey hair and a beer belly is slyly ensuring the audience is ready for his older version and accepts him as superstar even after he is 70.
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Lurker
April 17, 2022
“Just look at the comments of some of the regulars here who say it is “fun” and its “not at all bad” and so on..”
What’s this supposed to mean? Noone else is supposed to like this movie? You aren’t superior (or inferior) to anyone because of your opinion on a movie.
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Eswar
April 18, 2022
Valimai, Annathe, Beast- what explains them easily crossing 100cr mark?
If you limit the assumptions and variables, the simple answer is the audiences do not have a problem with these movies. They enjoy them as they are. Or they have their expectations low.
There is no point blaming the makers and stars if the audiences are happy with these works. However, if one believes that these movies should be of higher standards, one should look at raising audiences’ expectations. This change can happen only through organized movements. Blog posts and comments are helpful, but their influence is limited.
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therag
April 18, 2022
So much discussion because people here really expected a Vijay film to be amazing? Perhaps people are not familiar with his filmography and the quality of an average VJ film? I have not and do not plan to watch Beast but I’d imagine it is above average for a VJ film.
Even if you think this is a lean patch, I think Tamil cinema is doing pretty well. They seem to have enough talent in the pipeline (the so called next-gen) and their regulars (Shankar, MR, Vetrimaaran, Venkat Prabhu) are still around. And they did generate a bunch of hits last year (Master, Karnan, Doctor, Maanaadu) which were all very distinct films.
And Thiagarajan Kumararaja should have his next ready in 2028 or so.
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Jeeva Pitchaimani
April 18, 2022
I don’t know of how much pertinence does the point I am trying to make here is going to be to this post. But I want to address Eswar’s point. Both the MGR-Sivaji, Rajni -Kamal eras had almost substantially talented stars emerging as superstars and dictating the features of this industry. But the liberalization era of India especially of TN was the time when the young who also became one of the largest movie watching age groups in the state started determining the content of the mainstream industry. As more and more young people started visiting theatres, film makers found it expedient to tailor make their films to their tastes. This is not per se a problem but in the subsequent decades the younger generations that were weaned on the Science- IT dichotomy that ignored and looked down upon Arts( Literature, Political science, Economics ) turned out to be the one that had absolutely no knowledge about anything outside their domain. They had very less consciousness of politics, arts, economics and the like. They had no time to devote to or they were taught to look down upon anything outside their domain as something expendable and or of very peripheral importance. This led to them turning out to be people of relatively poorer tastes which led them to falling prey to anyone who could manipulate them. The era of Vijay and Ajith was precisely that. Vijay was a good dancer with a good sense of comedy but he wasn’t a great emoter or a man with a great screen presence – something which Rajni was. His supposedly polar opposite Ajith was also a star of very mediocre capacity. His career was built on a plank of Vijay hate rather than something of substantial, unique value. Both these actors had no good traits of their predecessors barring looks perhaps, yet they were allowed to take over only because this generation was the one which never knew what it actually wanted. It liked Vijay for his dance movements and crowned him as Rajni’s successor and those who were repelled by this atrocious act decided to join a camp that purportedly was the ‘classier’ one – the Ajith camp. In reality, Ajith for the most part was doing the same that Vijay had been doing, wearing blazers and stylish coolers. But with the growth of time, both these actors slowly began to learn the basic nuances of acting only in the last 7-8 years or so and by this time even those who didn’t like them all these years also had started warming up to them may be because there wasn’t no alternative (just like how we people were warming up to Edapadi as a political leader). In my opinion, only Vikram and Surya are deserving successors to the Rajni Kamal dichotomy but they had no capacity to manipulate their fans explicitly like how Ajith and Vijay did in their early days and hence weren’t able to command a faithful fan base.
So in my opinion, the culprit is the politico-economic system we inherited in 1991 which wanted its workforce to have a very tunnelled kind of vision that shrank its viewfinder to only things that mattered in its daily life. Societies that made a drastic turn to capitalism also suffered from this issue where there was a mild collapse in the tastes and cultural preferences of that era which improved only after capitalism relented a bit to give way to a kind of welfare capitalism.
Ayo engayo armichu engyo poitene !
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Madan
April 18, 2022
Jeeva : It would be easier to relate to your analysis if similar trends were observed outside TN. I mean, liberalisation was for all and everywhere, not just TN. How is it that Ranveer Singh works very hard on his craft and takes pride in it and the audience too rewards him for it (well at least pre-83 when some weird conflation of justice for ssr and bhakt politics seemed to affect its box office prospects) while Vijay /Ajith fans don’t care about that at all? I think that is just a logical extension of the superstar phenomenon in TN crossing over into outright idol worship. It happened with MGR and Rajni, it’s just that they themselves didn’t believe in giving acting a wide berth. Vijay/Ajith’s decadence OTOH matches the unstinting devotion of their fans, they are made for each other.
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Anand Raghavan
April 18, 2022
With the narrative being set in TN for all the movies to have a political voice and trying to read colors and images as political statements, expecting a pan-India hit seems far-fetched.
Who would have expected ARR-Raja debate would spill into a territory other than music a week back. One can only hope Ponniyin Selvan is not seen through different political colored glasses as it is adapted from a novel written in 1950s. If the novel is one of highest selling in book fair year after year, the movie should also be seen as movie.
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Madan
April 18, 2022
Anand Raghavan : ARR-Raja debate? What did I miss? Is this to do with Raja’s dubious foreword to a book where he compared Modi with Ambedkar?
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Anand Raghavan
April 18, 2022
@Madan: A week before ARR posted an unconventional Tamizhthai photo while Amit Shah’s Hindi promotional comment was made which polarized people on RW vs Dravidian lines A couple of days back IR endorsed Modi as someone who fulfilled Ambedkar’s ideals which again polarized on political lines. And the comments against both the legends were so demeaning, one can only wonder what it has come to
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Madan
April 18, 2022
I mean I completely disagree with IR on that but he is hardly the first celebrity to insert himself in politics. But as you say, everything blows up into a verbal war with demeaning language.
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kaizokukeshav
April 18, 2022
@brangan: Just a doubt, if audience want to see non-big budget movies in OTT why are some relatively smaller movies becoming huge hits (Doctor, Maanadu, Jathi Ratnalu, DJ Tillu etc.) .. may be it’s an overblown idea.
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brangan
April 18, 2022
kaizokukeshav: It’s hard to predict any pattern here, as yet. The Tamil films you mention came after the second lockdown, and people were waiting to exit their homes. So that may have had a part to play. (Plus the fact that they were good films.)
But they are also “entertaining” films. A few years ago, an intense non-star film called PARIYERUM PERUMAL became a decent-sized hit. One of last year’s best movies, WRITER, on similar themes, went practically unnoticed.
So maybe serious films are doomed (unless, like JAI BHIM, they have a star like Suriya in it). But again, it’ll take a year or so for things to become clearer.
This year, no Tamil film has become a hit (so far).
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Jeeva Pitchaimani
April 18, 2022
Madan, thanks for the question. India’s south especially TN was the fastest and first among many to race quickly into this neoliberalism- driven education model (rat race). Engineering colleges proliferated here faster than anywhere else and TN took a lead in producing the most number of educated yet artistic novices. That might be a reason. And this idol worship was something that is not completely new. We had temples for MGR and the devotion is all something that TN had always had a sweet tooth for. I still think today’s Ajith or Vijay fans are less devoted to their stars than MGR/Rajni fans of yesteryear. But MGR, Sivaji and Kamal all of them almost earned it. And most importantly, the fans were to an extent more fastidious than today’s generation.
When they made slack movies, they were instantly punished. I see a lot of ‘Baba’-like MGR films that were made with a lot of over confidence and nonchalance for the fans and audiences having bombed the box office then. So the previous generation knew a thing or two about art than our generation and they never made blockbusters out of ordinary films like Bigil or Veeram or Vedalam. So if our ajith Vijay fans are making superhits out of mediocre content, it is not because of their devotion alone, they don’t know what to appreciate and what not to. HHT’s rise is a case in point. Whenever I see his films doing well, I feel like relinqushing Indian citizenship and applying for one in Ukraine or Syria or Somalia. If Modis and Edapadis can rule this country, HHT can be a superstar. It is a scary age to live in.
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sanjana
April 18, 2022
Who is HHT?
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Jeeva Pitchaimani
April 18, 2022
One more thing I want to point out here- TN embraced neoliberalism without completely dismantling its welfare system- a model that is similar to what happened in South Korea or China. As long as the welfare system provided by the State is kept intact, early neoliberalism will help substantially in better ‘trickle-down’ outcomes. More wealth is generated and there are very little blocks in the trickle down mechanism(due to PDS,etc) as a result of which every strata of the society gains a bit from the economic boom. Post 2006, both the ADMK and DMK led govts made it a point to ensure TN never lagged in socio-economic indicators and the IT boom that went hand-in hand with the construction boom allowed more money to circulate among the masses. The IT generation had more money to spend than their predecessors and in the last decade or so, the time when TN’s welfare system was still doing much better than what it used to be in the previous few decades, we saw booming consumer expenditure all over and that is one big reason why even mediocre films were able to easily cross the 100 crore mark. This ability to consumer more (with basic needs having been satisfied by the Welfate State) combined with a near total ignorance about what constitutes good cinema and what not, has helped the careers of Vijay and Ajith and HHT to a very great extent.
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AlterEgo
April 18, 2022
HHT is hiphop tamizha? Then I am sad that I could guess it correctly.
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Madan
April 18, 2022
Jeeva : I think the failure of Baba and the relative success of new Ajith /Vijay films can be explained by technological changes since Baba which have made it easier for big movies to recover their cost quickly.
During the time of Baba, most theaters were still single screen and carpet bombing with digital prints was not yet possible. Today you can simply screen the movie in multiple screens of the same multiplex, multiply that across all locations of the big multiplex chains and then arm twisted single screen owners into paying more to buy the film, thus transferring losses or the risk thereof to them.
Take a mega event film like RRR. Even for that film, in all of three weeks, the Tamil and Telugu versions are already clean out of Mumbai theaters and even 3D Hindi is showing only in limited theaters. The 2D edition is still running across a healthy number of theaters but again, this is RRR. It’s as big as Baahubali, Endhiran or 3 Idiots.
So your typical Vijay/Ajith starrer has a 3 week run fuelled by hysteria inducing publicity to move the base (fans) into the theaters. Anything beyond that is a bonus. That was not possible in the time of Baba. Even Rajni films had to pull a very broad audience and not just depend on the base. It’s not a coincidence that Rajni films too increasingly limit their conversation to the fans. That’s enough to ensure ROI.
So yes, the success of Vijay /Ajith has to do with neoliberalism but in a different way from your premise. It is the intersection of the power of big pockets and technology with the tradition of idol worship of superstars in TN. It’s a potent and virtually fail-safe combination.
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Srinivas R
April 18, 2022
The biggest problem for TN films is as others have pointed out, their only objective is hero worship. Rajini, VIjay or Ajith movies need to be 3 hours of worshipping the stars. That;s what the audience wants, so I don’t think there is any hope for improvement in quality. Telugu cinema, in spite of the hero worship, has vey good writing. I don’t need to be a fan of Allu Arjun to enjoy Vaikuntapuram or Pushpa..the character is interesting enough, the world built for the story is interesting enough.
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Jeeva Pitchaimani
April 18, 2022
Madan, by giving a different perspective on the issue you are only proving my point. Technological changes would not have happened and single screens wouldn’t have transformed into multiplexes had TN people not had enough money to spend upon films. Welfare spending coupled with a booming neoliberal economy put more money in their hands and this led to a boom in both restaurant and cinema industries.
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Alex John
April 18, 2022
@Srinivas R
That’s an interesting point, Srinivas.While plots are built around heroes in Telugu cinema, plots need to be ALL about heroes in Tamil cinema these days,
Telugu cinema now is like the Tamil films of the 1990s, where the plot as well as the protagonist were thoroughly interesting, and that is where I hope Tamil cinema goes back to from what it is now.
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Madan
April 18, 2022
Jeeva : I am only pushing back against the notion that the audience itself is somehow much worse than before. I don’t think people would have taken the risk to make a Jai Bhim in the 80s in the first place. So if anything, there is a lot more freedom today to experiment because the audience accepts it. It’s just that the same ecosystem which enables this experimentation also enables Vijay /Ajith to manufacture hits by catering to the base.
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KS
April 18, 2022
@jeevapichumani:
Wait, so you’re saying that the previous generation, armed with an unambitious dummy BA pass arts degree from their neighborhood tutorial college, were somehow deeply sensitive about the nuances of art and politics, and responsible for a wave of intellectual cinema. And since the advent of science-engineering, the collective taste has dropped and resulted in thala-thalapathy?
Seems a biiit of a stretch, don’t you think? I mean, I’m not claiming the engineering generation is full of science wizards. But surely, they’re far better than the kuttichevuru arts guys of the previous generation for whom the pinnacle of personal achievement would have been a clerk gob in a govt office?
I’m tempted to revisit Dhanush’s VIP dialogue on the earnestness and struggles of engineers 😀
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Lurker
April 18, 2022
@KS – You just demonstrated Jeeva’s point about the disdain that today’s generation holds for the arts degrees.
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sanjana
April 18, 2022
And there is also something called bachelor in commerce.
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KS
April 18, 2022
@Lurker:
Absolutely, and I’m quite aware of how my comment would be interpreted. Do I personally look down on arts degrees? I totally do, but thats an entirely different discussion. Still, his claim that the arts guys of the past, with their supposed deep understanding of art and politics and reality, shaped the supposed high level of cinema (compared to today), needed to be pointed out as being a bit of a stretch.
@sanjana: Yes, I am aware that there exist other fields of study that don’t get categorized under arts/humanities or science/engineering. But thats the dichotomy he was talking about, and the one I too chose to address. Now that you mention commerce, I wonder how a commerce degree affects your taste in cinema, according to the psychoanalysis of @jeevapichumani.
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Jeeva Pitchaimani
April 18, 2022
KS- You are making a strawman out of my point. My only point is the following : ‘Today’s engineering and IT oriented education/profession does not help students/professionals to spare their time for some other pursuits as a result of which most of them did not have time to develop a taste for cinema or other forms of art. Also our parents did not want their children to know anything other than exams and careers as a result of which our social/artistic consciousness also suffered terribly’.
Also I am not saying that the previous generation were all intellectuals and socially super-conscious and we had great movies every now and then. I am just saying they had better tastes and better political consciousness. That’s it. And as Lurker says. you just proved my point. Thanks 🙂
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KS
April 18, 2022
@JeevaPitchaimani (apologies for misspelling):
Actually now you’re weaseling out of what you implied earlier. I admitted that I do think humanities degrees just produce bullshit artists (and your claim sounds a lot like the kind they would yap about to flatter themselves), but thats not the point here. Our previous generations lived like a frog in a well, with very limited knowledge or exposure beyond their immediate circles. They had narrow aspirations and rarely moved beyond their towns their whole lives. I find it hard to believe that these frogs used their vetti time to build artistic skills or social consciousness, as opposed to sleepwalking through their namesake degrees and starting a family at 20 using the hefty dowry their degree got them.
If anything, people today have way more general awareness and exposure to thought and content from all over the world. We’re more in tune with social justice, travel more, and (are forced to) interact with people from diverse backgrounds. Not that we’re perfect angels, but its still progress in many ways. It has very little to do with the three or four years that you waste away in some college, whether it is arts or science.
I’m not sure how cinema was in any way better before we philistine engineers and science guys took over. This could again be a survivorship bias at play, where we conveniently ignore or forget the humongous amounts of trash from those times, and remember solely the few gems. The same effect would play out for our era too in a few decades (and its likely the engineering fad too would have waned by then), at which point someone like you would opine “back in the 2000s, there were so many engineering/science people, so unlike today, cinema was high quality as the audience was scientifically literate, logical and didn’t suffer nonsense”. Flattering as that may sound, it would still be bullshit, and baseless hindsight correlations.
Regarding the Thala-Thalapathy dark age, Madan’s theory about the business dynamics of cinema seems a lot more reasonable.
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vijay
April 18, 2022
The sense of discretion has taken a hit, as I mentioned earlier. If it is a well made masala like Thuppakki, yes we will watch it. If its crap like Valimai or annathe, yes we will still watch it (atleast for the first 3-4 days)as it is the only release on festival days these days and we have time to kill, movie-going rituals that we need to take care of and have quite a bit of dough to spend as well. So we’ll just go out there, scream our heads off and have a good time. This is a lot of the audience that fills up the first 3-4 days. Rest will be taken care of, by OTT revenues and overseas markets.
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Jeeva Pitchaimani
April 18, 2022
KS- No I have never meant even once in my previous statements that our previous generations were all intellectuals and the like. I just went through what I had written and I don’t see any evidence for that. I am just saying they were relatively more socially conscious and had better tastes. That’s really it. TN never came close to Kerala or West Bengal when it comes to Art and social consciousness. I am sure writers like Jeyamohan and S Ramakrishnan will agree with me. They are all people who are terribly worried how much the reading habit has shrunk in TN especially with respect to my generation. A lot of publishing companies have closed down due to poor readership.
And with respect to our previous generation being frogs, they did not move much because most of them did not have enough money to. Had they had more money they would have done better than us. And an economically humble generation must concentrate on achieving those narrow ambitions even if it does not cultivate artistic or political consciousness. They had ends to meet and if they were socially illiterate, it is quite pardonable.
Regarding the future, I think we will do better. In the next 40-50 years, we will be moving into a phase where capitalism has really taken over and some amount of Welfarism would have returned. We will have second to third generation graduates and India would have moved closer to today’s Europe in terms of receiving Art and possess improved social consciousness. I am sure philistines will give way to a new generation of learned people and better human beings. I am only ashamed of my generation. Thats it. Ulagam Oru naal Needhi Perum!
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KP
April 18, 2022
“Our previous generations lived like a frog in a well, with very limited knowledge or exposure beyond their immediate circles.”
Tamil people were seafarers always, hence the spread of community widely across the globe. This was the reason for bigger budgets for tamil movies historically because they had markets in Singapore/Mal/SL etc although the state of Andhra was larger in size and population and movie watching. With IT and US expansion Telugu people have now surpassed this.
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KS
April 18, 2022
@JeevaPitchaimani:
I never blamed the previous generation for being frogs in the well. Sure, its all pardonable if they were narrowly focused on making ends meet even at the cost of social consciousness, who am I to judge. If anything, I admire them for setting concrete personal goals and achieving them, instead of wasting away with incessant idle talk in the guise of intellectualism. As for whether they would have been better than us if they had money, thats a pointless hypothetical.
So lets not pretend they had better tastes and superior awareness on the one hand, and excuse or find causes for their lack of consciousness on the other hand. Which is it? On what basis are you making the vague and general statement that previous generations had better taste and social consciousness? I’d be more inclined to believe people are more knowledgeable now than earlier, reflecting in their tastes.
As for publishers closing down, thats a worldwide trend, and probably long overdue. There are so many ways of gaining knowledge and skills, and books are often overemphasized and romanticized by those who have a stake in their dominance (like writers and publishers themselves). Snooty old farts who spent their lives validating their own intellectual self-esteem simply by passively reading what others have written, tend to bemoan the decline of books “ooo I read 100 books this month, I’m so smaart, look at the dumb kids stuck on their ipads all day”, as if people don’t constantly learn how to paint, code, design, write, sing, dance, play instruments, play chess, craft, learn languages or other enriching skills through ways that are not books. Activities that involve learning, creativity, improving, competing and challenging oneself, instead of passively reading someone elses thoughts and feeling all intellectual. None of that counts? The internet constantly exposes us to astounding talents in every activity, people who demonstrate undeniable excellence by learning and doing (as opposed to simply reading and bullshitting). Sure, many just goof off mindlessly on tiktok, but by that logic, “Pappa pota thapal” is also technically a book. And “Art and social consciousness in Kerala/WBengal” overall sounds more like these same old farts jerking each other off in support groups without actually doing anything, and masturbating over “a new generation of learned people and better human beings” whatever that is supposed to mean. This is what I was referring to as bullshit artistry that takes itself too seriously and marinades in its own self-importance.
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Dwarakanath R
April 19, 2022
@Jeeva your comments look a lot like rose tinted glasses for sure , in my conversations with previous gen folk I have not observed this “better taste”.
I can think there is truth to rose tinted glasses point of KS and economic reasons you provide.
1) rose tinted glasses wrt to quality of yesteryear movies as well, since the better ones are the ones which would be talked about today and all the garbage would be forgotten.
2) Expanding on your point of trickle down economics working well in TN.
Movies becoming less of a luxury spend and more of a commodity hence it is more a trivial expenditure deserving less thought from the consumer side and less effort from the movie production side to entice customers
3) Role of luck :Also another point, it is entirely possible we might have gotten lucky with Rajni and kamal , and it is not a given that every generation would be guaranteed of great talent, if you follow tennis the grand old men in tennis terms nadal, djokovic etc have ruled the roost for past 2 tennis generations( which is much shorter than movie star generations)
Also. If we sidestep masala movies, vetrimaaran, mari selvaraj Or pa ranjith have put out content which might not have found audience in previous generations, so there as well I am having trouble squaring with better taste of precious gen
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vijay
April 19, 2022
“vetrimaaran, mari selvaraj Or pa ranjith have put out content which might not have found audience in previous generations,”
well the previous generations had their own balumahendras, Rajas, KBs, Mahendrans and Fazils..so dont quite agree here.
Its just that with more disposable income in the hands of folks, less choices on holidays, and with a carpet bombing type of business model, it has all so far lead to fail-safe bomb-proof outcome for the producers regardless of content. In the 80s, it was not uncommon for several Kamal/Rajni masalas to bomb in a single year. Now they build the hype up for a year even before releasing it.
Will be interesting to see what changes this tide in the future..
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brangan
April 19, 2022
vijay: In the 80s, it was not uncommon for several Kamal/Rajni masalas to bomb in a single year. Now they build the hype up for a year even before releasing it.
At their height, Rajini and Kamal used to charge about 15-10% of the film’s budget. So the costs remained reasonable and even if a film bombed, the market (i.e. the industry + the distributors, who are the last link of the food chain) did not crash.
Plus, the interest rate on financing for films was not 36.5%.
Today, with that interest rate, plus Rs 100 crore (paid in advance) to the hero, plus 20 crore (paid in advance) to the director, etc etc, a big star film lands up costing 200 crore or something. (Look at that interest rate again.) So the carpet-bombing is absolutely necessary to make sure at least the first few days have audiences, even if the film bombs Monday onwards.
Back then, too, there were plenty of single screens, and they could have done a carpet-bombing. But the general strategy was to release a film in three to five theatres and slowly spread the print count based on hit/flop status.
Not sure if this really added to the discussion, but just wanted to point this out.
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Dwarakanath R
April 19, 2022
“well the previous generations had their own balumahendras, Rajas, KBs, Mahendrans and Fazils..so dont quite agree here.”
Fair point there Vijay
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Alex John
April 19, 2022
@ brangan
So, I think it is time somebody belled the cat. I know these industries are structurally very different, but I wish the Tamil audience gave the same message to these overpaid actors that was given to “the” Amitabh Bachchan in the 1990s by the Hindi filmgoers. And how he responded to it is something that could be a synonym for re-invention.
And I beg to disagree with anyone who thinks this can’t be done in the south, because Baba was an adequate message to Rajinikanth at the peak of his career saying “look, you may be a demigod, but we won’t lap-up all your crap”. With Thla-Thalapathy approaching ‘Rajini’s ‘Baba age’, I hope Tamil audience have something for them in the store.
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vijay
April 19, 2022
BR, but why is DMK movies pvt. ltd willing to pay stars such exorbitant salaries at such interest rates? Because they are maybe confident that they can get it back and some with their carpet bombing and monopolizing approaches. They can arm twist makers of Maanadu into not releasing their film so that Annathe can be screened uncontested. This kind of political family interference in movie business doesnt happen a lot in other states I guess.
Alex, but Baba did’nt deter Rajni from doing what he was doing. If anything he is doing the same old, with more vigour. With Vijay, it would take another 10 years until he reaches Baba stage. He still looks young on screen. So thats why I said you need to dig in and prepare for the long haul. Salman in his mid-50s is still doling out the same stuff. It would take not one, but a string of flops for these guys to do what AB decided to do.
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Anonym
April 19, 2022
@KS – Phrases like ‘100 books a month’, ‘passive consumption bad’ and so on belong in a productivity blog, maybe.. your comment looks out of place in a blog largely dedicated to movie discussions.
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Alex John
April 19, 2022
@Vijay
“Baba did’nt deter Rajni from doing what he was doing”
I believe it did. He took his time and came up with a much stronger script in Chandramukhi.
He even put a cap on his idiosyncrasies to an extent in that film.I would say Charndramukshi was the most “non-Rajini-ish” film of that time. Then he went on to collaborate with the most iconic director of the time who he clearly knew he will have to equally share the credit for the films’ success with (I believe there wouldn’t be an Enthiran if not for Baba). He tried to do a classy thing Pa. Ranjith in 2 films even though the plan went off rails very quickly.
So, I think Baba did something good to Rajini’s career, although he kind of squandered it in the long run.
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Madan
April 19, 2022
Anonym : Not to mention that argument is a complete strawman. I have never met a single book lover who boasts about stuff like 100 books a month. It’s not our version of going to the gym.
The notion that you can learn ANYTHING off the internet is also dangerous because unless your learning is backed up by what you have learnt earlier either through the academic route or through the acquaintance of someone who is an expert in that field, you might land up on a body of knowledge that sounds persuasive and is presented well but is completely wrong anyway. It doesn’t help that YouTube caved in to the SJWs and stopped showing the number of down votes. That was a useful way to know right off the cuff whether the video was presenting something useful or was just, in the words of The Dude “like, your opinion, man”.
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sanjana
April 19, 2022
There is nothing like a good book. Unlike films, books give wings to one’s imagination. Google gives information which is also very handy. A person who reads books can also be tech savvy. Getting information from google also makes one feel knowledgeable and superior. We tell doctors that those medicines are not to be prescribed! The biggest enemy to doctors and teachers is google knowledge used against them! Separating science and arts is foolhardy. There are no fixed borders. A BA can very well understand and use technology. Even10th fail become computer engineers and provide good service. Knowledge is immeasurable and we can get knowledge from anybody and anything, from learning recipes from grandmas to learning how to pronounce from small kids, how to fix an inverter, a computer, a mobile etc. from the repair person. We may know many things, yet our knowledge is just like some drops in a ocean.
An ipad can malfunction, but a book will not.
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Madan
April 19, 2022
sanjana : To be fair, it was Jeeva who introduced that art vs science dicohotomy and then KS lapped it up. As the commerce guy, I am watching in bemusement. These silos are useless anyway. Einstein was passionate about music. So was Steve Jobs. Formula 1 driver Adrian Sutil used to play the piano and very well at that. Mick Jagger is a savvy investor at least in so far as managing his funds though he may not be like Oracle of Omaha. OP Nayyar became a homeopathy doctor in later life. The examples are legion.
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Eswar
April 19, 2022
Just like Baba, haven’t there been many movies that failed harshly at the box office for Vijay and Ajith? Don’t you think this would have affected their decisions? I would have thought Ner Konda Paravai and Yennai Arinthal are not the usual Ajith films. Similarly, aren’t some of the recent Vijay films better than his earlier works? If it is true, don’t you think the criticism against Ajith and Vijay is unfair? The change may be slow, but they are changing. Rajini and Kamal were actors before they became heroes. However, Vijay and Ajith have always been heroes. So the transition is a lot more difficult for Ajith and Vijay.
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Alex John
April 19, 2022
@ Madan,
With your permission, adding David M. Solomon, also known as DJ Sol, who is the current CEO of Goldman Sachs, and also a DJ and a part-time composer to this list.
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vijay
April 19, 2022
Eswar, they wont change. They will be forced to change at some point because a string of films flopped. And that will take another 5-10 yrs. By then they would have earned enough to buy an island next to Nityananda;’s and settle down there or even try politics for fun like how Kamalagaasan is doing. Real change is when stars agree to slash their salaries or get sidelined by producers who have grown a spine, or stars agree to act in multi-starrers(like RRR) and so on and so on..Dont see that happening anytime soon in Tamil.
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Anonym
April 19, 2022
@Madan – Agree. The only flexing I’ve seen is from ’52 books a year’ types who mostly read business/self-help books. People who read recreationally don’t keep score. I also disagree with the notion that ‘passive’ consumption of a book (or any art form) is a ‘waste of time’, but such phrases are regularly thrown about in productivity circles (which I keep my distance from.)
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sanjana
April 19, 2022
Earning period is quite short in a lifespan.. So they try to make hay while the sun shines. So commerce interferes with art. Who can say No to money? Ultimate winner is commerce and commercial considerations.
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Heisenberg
April 19, 2022
A little late to the discussion, but here I go.
If the older generation were such connoisseurs why Rajini/MGR were more popular than their contemporary rivals Sivaji/Kamal?
VJ/AJ are insufferable curse to tamil cinema and it is really a wonder how they became the biggest stars of their generation. But simply tying that to liberalization of Indian economics is unconvincing.
I may be generalizing but many pre-liberalization era directors spent more time to come up with innovative games to play on heroine’s navel compared to today’s directors. And yeah, Kamal did most of his experiments during this post liberalization period as compared to before.
I find the current generation to be more socially conscious and aware of movies around the world compared to previous generation. That is also a by-product of post-liberalization without which we may have still believed our movies are the greatest, our culture is the greatest, our language is the bestest.
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shaviswa
April 19, 2022
I do not buy into the theory that the older generation had better taste.
I happened to watch a couple of MGR movies recently. Boy oh boy!!!
Sivaji may overact, but at least his films had some substance.
MGR’s movies were by and large utter crap. And it got worse as he went into that pre-politics phase in the 1970s. Content wise crappy, cringe-worthy performance by all actors and some racy duets which may not pass the censor even in today’s times.
Despite all the goodwill Jaishankar had, his movies were horrible. The other actors during his time Jaiganesh, Sivakumar, Vijayakumar were also starring in some horrible movies.
The 1970s also probably had some of the worst Tamil film music until the arrival of Ilaiyaraja.
I would rate the late 1950s up till around 1970 as probably a good period in Tamil cinema when movies with a strong storyline were being made. There were also some pretty good directors like CV Sridhar who made some excellent movies until he landed in the MGR camp.
Of course – I am saying all this based on the films that I have watched from the period on youtube and other platforms. And probably the future generations would be laughing similarly at the kind of films we make today.
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Rambo
April 19, 2022
Really late to this discussion and the comments have veered off topic into the quality of tamil cinema of the generations rather than on the quality of Telugu cinema. I am really interested in knowing what’s good to catch up on in Telugu cinema, if indeed it is thriving in some way. I have so many recommendations of Malayalam cinema in the past few years and have watched some of them and been very impressed. I just haven’t seen anyone recommending telugu films with the same vigour or frequency (except SSRs films). Has left me with the impression it is still poorly acted (looking at you balakrishna) fare with three heroines and half a dozen songs. That is probably grossly unfair. So would someone be able to suggest a list of films from the past few years that are worth catching up on?
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Lurker
April 19, 2022
To piggyback on Rambo’s comment, are people really saying KGF2 and RRR are good cinema, and these are the types of movies that our stars are not doing? Maybe these movies score high on entertainment value, but the basic problems are the same, be it an AJ/VJ movie or Yash/RC movie (toxic masculinity, hero worship, machismo, infallibility of the protagonist, and so on..)
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Eswar
April 19, 2022
Vijay, you are probably right about the timelines for change. But isn’t this true for most individuals in most industries? What is required for an individual to give up their income and status? They should have a burning desire to do something better or become jobless or less marketable. We don’t give up our well-paid job just because someone somewhere believes we are not meeting their expectations. So why do we expect moviemakers to do so, especially when we don’t have skin in the game? If Vijay and Ajith decide to make better movies, how would I reward them as an individual? I would appreciate their effort with 3 hours of my time, a small sum of my income and a star rating in a few places. For such a small cost from my end, I am expecting them to risk their careers, power and status. When I understand this asymmetry in risk and reward, it’s unfair for me to expect them to take the risk. They can only change at their own pace without risking losing everything they have gained so far. For an outsider, it is easy to think they don’t deserve their current economic and social status for various reasons. But for them, they have worked hard to reach where they are now. Even the nexus you talk about is impossible if they had not attained the current position. So what they are experiencing today is a reward for what they have gone through. Hence they are not going to throw it away. They could only change within a boundary. And this is probably true for most people irrespective of the industry.
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kaizokukeshav
April 19, 2022
One thing I find funny about this narrative is that Telugu cinema was always like this. The new big movies were just the same wine in costly looking bottles, and that just worked out. Also don’t forgot the guerilla marketing tactics.
Baahubali storyline was the same since ages. Father-son-revenge drama is like daily lunch for Tollywood but they wrapped it in a great canvas. Same can be said to any cinema in general all they need to do is keep their brains in the freezer while making the movie. Tamil cinema can make another Padayappa-in-disguise in a national scale and it will turn out to be a bumper hit bigger than any of these movies.
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vijay
April 19, 2022
Eswar, I am not “expecting” anything from AJ/VJ. In fact in one of my earlier comments I have pointed out that the entire ecosystem including the fans are happy with these films, so the few lamenting here are actually in the minority. This is precisely why I expect them to continue to be the way they are..
“They can only change at their own pace without risking losing everything they have gained so far. ”
well they dont even have to change at all, as long as things are going fine for them, why would they? For any change to happen it starts with the audience/fans/viewers to make that first step and reject a few of these films to break this cycle and get the ball rolling in a different direction. In the current ecosystem and the way the business is run I dont see that happening anytime soon. And that’s why those long timelines. It’s much like politics that way. In fact it was Alex who expected things to change much sooner and is more optimistic that way.
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Ravi K
April 19, 2022
Vijay and Ajith had their flops, but nothing like Baba, which was Rajini’s attempt blending spirituality with a mass entertainer. I think the main lesson he took from that was to not do such personal projects.
What is it about Amitabh Bachchan’s flop movies that audiences rejected, and what can we infer about those audiences that they rejected those movies? Why is the Tamil audience different? They are still enthusiastically queuing up to see Rajini continue to play young heroes dishing out punches and punch dialogues.
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Madan
April 20, 2022
Ravi K: AB was on somewhat shaky footing but still bankable when he took a break after Agneepath /Khuda Gawa. By taking a break, he allowed the three Khans to completely fill the void (and Akki, Ajay Devgun, Sanjay Dutt, Govinda all joined in too). By the time he came back with Mrityudatta, the market had moved on. I THINK likewise Ajith might have got wiped out in the mid noughties but Vikram and Surya, particularly the former, began to run out of steam and opened up space again for Ajith. And Ajith was also much younger and LOOKED much younger than AB in Mrityudatta. The Coolie accident and its resulting impact on AB aged him a lot and the more he grew older, the more the audience couldn’t look past that. MAYBE he too could have chosen extensive makeup like Rajni to hide his age but for whatever reason, he didn’t. His choice of keeping it real, so to speak, cost him at the BO and he had to return primarily as KBC host and then as a solid supporting actor or anchor as old lead for smaller films.
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KayKay
April 20, 2022
“I THINK likewise Ajith might have got wiped out in the mid noughties but Vikram and Surya, particularly the former, began to run out of steam and opened up space again for Ajith”
Yeah, I keep thinking, in a parallel universe, Vikram &Surya could have just built up their star power with ever bigger mass hits, creating much better competition in the market, and maybe even resulting in VJ/Ajith making better movies to keep up.
Or…who the hell knows? They could have just continued producing the same stuff their fans have been lapping up for decades, because if there’s one thing they’ve proven, it’s that Thala/Thalapathy fans set the bar REAL LOW in terms of expectations. Interesting that even today, criticisms of VJ (who still emotes like a guy forced out of bed 2 hrs early to report for a shoot) still elicit this defense: Look at him man, still so trim and such a good dancer.
Keeping your figure and knowing how to dance: Congratulations! What amounts to entry level requirements for a back-up dancer in a mid-budget Bollywood Item Number is apparently the X-Factor to be the No 1 Star in Tamil movies.
As for Ajith…the popularity of this other Charisma Vacuum who now sports a Dad Bod and whose fans extol his decision to “go grey” like he just donated a kidney is still a head-scratcher. Even during his Chocolate Boy hey days, there was barely anything distinguishing him from other also-rans like Prashanth.
Which leads me to think of the title of a recent film: Ivanukku Engeyo Macham Irukku
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Madan
April 20, 2022
“Even during his Chocolate Boy hey days, there was barely anything distinguishing him from other also-rans like Prashanth.” – To give the devil his due, he could stretch and extend his acting a tad bit and show some intensity (the most important qualification to be a masala hero, apparently, since AB and onwards – NOT that AB was limited to just intensity or Rajni for that matter). Prashanth OTOH ran into his, er, limitations pretty quickly, to put it politely. But yeah, I wonder how many realize that our much touted ideal of masala hero is really just a slightly romantic version of Kiefer Sutherland at this point.
As for Vikram and Surya, I think both did show more ambition already in their best years than Ajith and Vijay in their entire career. Vikram just hit too many self-goals with his role choices until people lost the faith. Surya probably just exhausted the remit of his potential. With him not being very tall and also lacking a very arresting voice, he was always going to land up into a sort of poor man’s Ulaganayagan slot, except maybe I would make it a VERY poor man’s Ulaganayagan. Even having watched stuff like Perazhagan, I am not convinced he has even an iota of the range of Kamal. Vikram had everything though…for one moment in time, as the Whitney song goes. Unfortunately, it was just a fleeting glimpse.
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KayKay
April 20, 2022
“NOT that AB was limited to just intensity or Rajni for that matter”
EXACTLY! It’s easy to overlook the fact that in spite of both of them having hit the pinnacle of Mass Stardom in their respective areas, AB is a TERRIFIC actor and even Rajini with the right role is capable of amazingly nuanced performances (an early hit Aarulirinthu Aruvathai Varai comes to mind).
And that’s the kicker. At their height, a choice between Rajini and Kamal was one between a Mass Actor who could still, given the right role, be a very good actor AND an uber-versatile Actor who could still effortlessly do mass movies.
Today?
It’s between a Trim Good Dancer and Greying Dad Bod.
And agree on Surya. I like the guy but I see something like Perazhagan or SK’s Remo, they resemble heavily diluted versions of Kamal’s signature roles akin to those parody sketches on Vijay TV variety shows.
As for Vikram…..sigh! Monumental talent married to mind-bogglingly poor commercial sense in choosing scripts. I hope Mahaan and upcoming Cobra can effect some kind of course correction but it may be too late. Dude’s already 56.
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vijay
April 20, 2022
” and whose fans extol his decision to “go grey” like he just donated a kidney is still a head-scratcher. ”
not just that, some of these (educated) idiots actually held up banners on the streets asking for “Valimai update” sometime back, which had even Ajith a little pissed I heard. That’s a new low, not seen even in the 80s with all the adulation for Kamal/Rajni back then. But then what do I know, this is supposedly the ‘smarter’ ‘socially conscious’ ‘intelligent’ new gen of viewers out there. So the rest of us can just buzz off..
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Rambo
April 20, 2022
Think a good barometer of the talent of acting is the ability to play a villain. Rajini excels in it (as recently as in endhiran), as did Kamal. And AB too had a few such turns early doors. Vijay has been terrible at that. I cant see Surya pulling it off either. Ajith on the other hand – has done it quite well. And in that sense, I think Ajith is as much of a lost talent as Vikram considering the dross he keeps dishing out of late.
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Karthik
April 21, 2022
Tamil cinema once used to lead the southern cinema, but is now stuck in the purgatory between spice-films and its almost sickening political-launch pad movies.
There is perhaps a void right now in Tamil cinema, the one left by Shankar who at least until Enthiran used to make the kind of tentpole cinema in Tamil, that Rajamouli today makes in Telugu with a lot better writing, excesses that are organic, and a phenomenal sense of pan-Indian sensibilities. I dont think the solution to that void is in the “Who wants to be the next MGR” group of Vijay-Surya-Simbu-Sivakarthikeyan, but rather the more pertinent question is who are those filmmakers who can grow to have and execute that kind of grand vision.
And theres also the fact that the post-pandemic OTT-overfed era is a strange time to evaluate “draw crowds to the theatre” kind of movies. I am inclined to say that pre pandemic, movies like Kabir Khan’s 83 or Spielberg’s West Side Story would have had much better returns than they actually did. Kabir Khan’s Bajrangi Bhaijaan is as much a showcase of his tentpole sensibilities as any.
But looking at the general pool of filmmaking talent, I find this to be a really exciting time for Tamil cinema. In the last one year alone, there were the outstanding Karnan and Sarpatta Parambarai, the entertaining Master and Maanadu, the crackling but could have been better Jagame Thanthiram and Mahaan, and the once-in-a-generation breathtakingly brilliant Kadaisi Vivasayi (and a special mention to Writer and Kadaseela Biryani). As a Tamil film viewer, I really dont have much to complain…
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kaizokukeshav
April 21, 2022
” Vikram &Surya could have just built up their star power with ever bigger mass hits, creating much better competition in the market”
At one point, Vijay and Suriya brought a different kind of stardom into Tamil cinema which set great standards but they never took off unfortunately. Those movies were like ‘Stars who does out-of-the-box roles’ which was directly from the Kamal Hassan schools of acting. They simultaneously did roles like Anniyan, Daiva Thirumagal, Ghajini, Perazhagan and they also came together for Pithamagan. Even with successive failures they still tried with I, Irumugan, Mattrann etc.
Suriya doing preachy social message movies and Vikram doing some random thriller movies is really not any of us wanted to see. This is where the writing is not living up to the standard in terms of creating that impact and entertain audience. Atleast they should’ve pulled in story writers from other states
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kaizokukeshav
April 21, 2022
@Rambo: Suriya was the villian in 24, and he pulled it stupendously well
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Karthik
April 21, 2022
Actually, more than the lack of good masala movies, my pet peeve with Tamil cinema is the lack of good writing of women characters. Almost all the movies I listed shortchange their women characters. And I dont think more masala movies is going to fix that. If anything, I’d say the reliance on archetypes will only make the problem worse.
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Enigma
April 25, 2022
On the topic of Tamil actors playing the bad guys on screen, they balance it out by playing the standard good guy character too. Kaizokukeshav referenced 24, in that film Suriya played the hero too. Others too do the same thing, if they are trying something different, they also play the regular heroes in the same film. Not like Hollywood, where Johnny Depp, Jake Gylenhall, Kenneth Branagh, Jack Nicholson, Christian Bale, Leonardo Di Caprio and countless others play a variety of interesting characters without feeling the need to balance it out. Even In Bollywood we have seen Shah Rush Khan, Ajay Devgan, Akshay Khanna and Akshay Kumar take up villain roles. It is only in Tamil cinema that we see actors being prisoners of their own image.
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Lurker
April 25, 2022
@enigma – Good point. Come to think of it, what you said applied even to our finest, most experimental actor Kamal Haasan. His negative roles are always in his ‘multi action’ films like Aala Vandaan, Indian, MMKR..
The only ‘unreservedly bad guy’ role I can recollect is Ajith’s character in Mankatha.
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Cathy
April 30, 2022
As someone with limited knowledge of Telugu movies, Shankarabharanam and Sagara Sangamam are the two jewels I knew of thanks to Doordarshan. And I am obviously familiar with the recent big names – Arjun Reddy, Bahubali, Pushpa and RRR. What other movies are part of this recent Telugu dream run?
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Honest Raj
April 30, 2022
… not just that, some of these (educated) idiots actually held up banners on the streets asking for “Valimai update” sometime back, which had even Ajith a little pissed I heard. That’s a new low, not seen even in the 80s with all the adulation for Kamal/Rajni back then.
All this has more to do with the age which we are living in now. In the late 80s, Bharathiraaja was mobbed by a group of fans (of a top actor) in a Madras theatre and was allegedly hit by someone on the face (source: ‘Bayilvan’ Ranganathan). Imagine, what if someone like Shankar is subjected to such a treatment today.
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