I saw the film this week, a second time. It was even more impressive. Time and again, screenplay advice has told us that the narrative should be told from a single POV, and that the person whose POV we follow is the “protagonist”. As much as Vandhiyathevan is the “protagonist” of this film, so many events happen that he does not know about or that we do not see from his POV or that do not affect him: for instance, the great scene between Aditha Karikalan and Kundhavai, where she chides him for behaving like Arjun Reddy and says the Chola kingdom is more important than you and me and everyone else.
Thus, like in Chekka Chivantha Vaanam, we have a story with multiple “mini-protagonists”, with Vandhiyathevan being the biggest of them all. (Of course, like I have mentioned in my review, PS-1 works so much better than CCV, because here, I actually cared about the various characters.) The core credit, of course, goes to Kalki, for spinning such an engrossing, ripping yarn based on real and imagined characters — something like The Three Musketeers, by Alexandre Dumas — but the real credit, in my opinion, goes to Mani Ratnam, Elango Kumaravel, and Jeyamohan. Their “compression” of the story is a marvel of multi-character screenwriting, and I think the challenge (given the hugeness of the books) made everyone raise themselves to their A-game. For Mani Ratnam, PS-1 seems a natural culmination of a process he started with Iruvar, where he started writing sharper, flab-free “vignettes” instead of more “leisurely and flavourful” bigger scenes. Of course, the length of these vignettes has varied, and he has combined this vignette approach with bigger scenes in films like Kannathil Muthamittal and Aaydha Ezhuthu and Kadal and CCV (many shorter vignettes), which move fast. On the other hand, the romances like Kaatru Veliyidai and O Kadhal Kanmani have scenes with a lot of stay, even in the midst of the vignettes.
Here are two variations of the same aspects/traits of the Madhavan character in Kannathil Muthamittal: (1) he believes in equality and a just world (“if you have a ticket, you have earned the right to sit” in the first clip, and “why can’t we live peacefully” in the second clip), (2) has a short fuse (his bursts of anger with both the man in the bus in the first clip and with what Prakash Raj says at the beginning of the second clip), (3) has no patience with bullshit (sycophancy in the first clip, war in the second clip), and (4) has earned his fame as a writer named “Indira” (that’s why the man in the bus gets up, and that’s why the captors release him).
The first clip is a vignette. It shows these traits in an amusing way (I could not find the Tamil clip but I hope you’ll get the gist of the scene). And the second clip is a leisurely scene that shows these traits in a dead-serious way. Of course, Mani Ratnam did not invent this writing technique. I am just pointing out how this writing technique has come to dominate his post-Iruvar work (in a good way, in my opinion; I find quite a few scenes in his pre-Iruvar work quite drawn-out today, and wish they could be “vignettised”). And I think his impatience with flab has what has let to the screenplay of PS-1, where the plot points are spit out like bullets from a Gatling gun from the very first shot, where the “camera”/CGI swoops in and takes us directly from the “comet view” to the insides of the palace. The opening half-hour or so of Kadal is another marvel of compression.
I think this is one of the reasons he has begun to chop his songs, too. Because after that “Gatling gun” opening of Kadal, the film loses serious momentum when Elay keechan unfolds as a full-on song sequence, and Adiye is another major speed-breaker — and the film never recovers its earlier momentum, fascinating though some of the subsequent scenes are. The ultimate “Gatling gun” opening may be that of Raavanan. For that matter, even Kaatru Veliyidai opens cold, or what the theatre people call “in medias res”. We have no context or background to VC. We just know he is a fighter pilot in Kargil. Again, I want to emphasise that Mani Ratnam did not introduce this writing technique. I am just analysing this writing technique in the context of his career, because look at the openings of his pre-Iruvar films:
In Mouna Raagam, the Revathy character is very clearly established before we get to the pivotal “Kargil moment” (the scene where she meets Mohan, which is where the “story” really begins).
In Nayakan and Thalapathi, we get the childhood content before the boy grows into the protagonist and faces his pivotal “Kargil moment”.
Had Mani Ratnam made Geetanjali today, I think he would start with the Nagarjuna character in Ooty – instead of spending the 20-odd minutes that unfold before he lands in Ooty.
So, too, Roja — and so forth.
I am not arguing which approach is better, though regular readers know I belong solidly in the post-Iruvar Mani Ratnam camp. But all these thoughts came together while watching PS-1 a second time, and it is my position that it’s not just the length of the novel that has resulted in such a “compressed” movie. That is certainly a factor, yes — the major factor. But it’s also the path this filmmaker has been travelling on for a while now. The second time, I also noticed the economy of so many shots (like I said in my QnA, Ravi Varman and Mani Ratnam seem to have incredible synergy), and also their non-show-offy nature. (Another favourite non-show-offy scene is the superb single-take scene in Kaatru Veliyidai, where VC harasses Leela’s parents during dinner, partly because her mother literally threw him out of the funeral and also because of his guilt with them about their son’s death. The relatively “static” nature of the scene – and the fact that no one speaks but VC – literally forces you to read between the lines.)
And now for the film’s “aftermath”. I have been called for various interviews about the film and also about the aftermath. But I felt I had said everything I wanted to say about the film and its structure and so forth in my review and my QnA (and in the paragraphs above), and I felt I did not have anything more to add.
As for the aftermath (whatever happened after Vetri Maaran’s comment), I did not want to opine about that at all. Firstly, all argument is healthy. It’s a free country, and anything that makes us think (even if we end up saying that Vetri Maaran is wrong) is good. Also, regarding Mani Ratnam being a “right wing filmmaker”, as I have said many times in this blog, I think Mani Ratnam — like his great idol, Kurosawa — is a humanist filmmaker. His focus is more on, say, how a woman who does not know the language gets back her husband who has been kidnapped by terrorists fighting a war far from her homeland. The key line in the film that defines Mani Ratnam for me is “oru theeviravaadhiya manushana maathittey.” The Pankaj Kapoor character will continue to fight his battles, but those are for another filmmaker to capture. Mani Ratnam’s universe is complete when Pankaj Kapoor struggles with his conscience and lets Arvind Swamy go. It’s this humanism that makes Mani Ratnam have the sympathetic (“humanistic”) girl even in the terrorists’ camp. In other words: not all Muslims are ‘bad’.
In Raavanan, the supposedly “right wing” Mani Ratnam says: not all Hindu gods are ‘good’. He makes the “lower caste” Veera a better “humanist” than the “upper caste” Dev (which literally means god). In the bridge fight — where the oppressor/bad guy wears white, and the oppressed/good guy wears black (a colour reversal, like in more overtly political Kaala) — Veera saves Dev by not letting him fall.
Why was this aspect not noticed in Raavanan, when it came out? Because this is not an explicitly political film. Mani Ratnam, like in Nayakan, embeds the politics in the songs. There it was:
மாடங்கள் கலைகூடங்கள்
யார் செய்தார் அதை நாம் செய்தோம்
நாடாளும் ஒரு ராஜாங்கம்
யார் தந்தார் அதை நாம் தந்தோம்
தேசம் என்னும் சோலையில்
வேர்கள் நாங்களே
தியாகம் என்னும் ஜோதியில்
தீபம் நாங்களே
in the ‘Andhi mazhai megam’ song. And here it is:
சோத்துல பங்கு கேட்டா
அட இலயப்போடு இலய
சொத்துல பங்கு கேட்டா
அவன் தலயப்போடு தலய
ஊரான் வீட்டு சட்டத்துக்கு
ஊரு நாடு மசியாது
மேகம் வந்து சத்தம் போட்டா
ஆகாயம் தான் கேட்காது
பாட்டன் பூட்டன் பூமிய யாரும்
பட்டா போடக் கூடாது
in the ‘Kodu potta’ song.
Another song where Mani Ratnam embeds his politics or ideology is ‘Vellai Pookal‘ from Kannathil Muthamittal: (Thanks Eswar, for the comment.)
குழந்தை விழிக்கட்டுமே
தாயின் கத கதப்பில்
உலகம் விடியட்டுமே
பிள்ளையின் சிறுமுக சிரிப்பில்
…
எங்கு சிறு குழந்தை தன் கைகள் நீட்டிடுமோ
அங்கு தோன்றாயோ கொள்ளை நிலவே
எங்கு மனித ஈனம் போர் ஓய்ந்து சாய்ந்திடுமோ
அங்கு கூவாதோ வெள்ளை குயிலே
Now, you may argue, won’t these ‘stances’ become clearer if they come in the form of dialogue. But like the Kashmir drama in Roja, like the Sri Lankan troubles in Kannathil Muthamittal, all this is the “background” against which the main, “humanistic story” is told. If you don’t follow the lyrics, you lose this facet of the story — and that’s okay, because Mani Ratnam is not a political/ideological filmmaker, but a humanistic storyteller. He is like Kurosawa, as I said.
No Regrets for Our Youth has the background of war (Japan’s invasion of Manchuria, and its aftermath), but the focus is on a woman and two men, in a sort of complicated love triangle. This Senses of Cinema essay sums up this aspect well: “The director forgoes engaging in explicit political commentary in favour of focusing upon a character-driven narrative. Granted, the socio-political scenario depicted within the film is certainly integral to the narrative and must not be understated but, as always, characterisation is key to Kurosawa’s artistic success.” Another similar comment from a Criterioncast post: “The film deals with Japan’s descent into fascism, and the brutal cost that this massive error inflicted on their society… [but] rather than focus on the plight of the soldiers or whatever intrigues took place at the highest levels of the government or military command centers, Kurosawa directs our attention to a fairly typical, middle class scenario.”
Take this passage from this Moviemaker article: “Mizoguchi didn’t have Kurosawa’s flair for spectacle… he made films about peasants and prostitutes….” But Mizoguchi was more well-regarded in some circles. It is human tendency to compare/contrast, even if they are humans are exalted as Godard and Rivette and other filmmakers of the French New Wave. I don’t agree with their criticism of Kurosawa — but not because I think Kurosawa is beyond criticism. It’s because I don’t think there is a “first rank” in art, and both Mizoguchi and Kurosawa are great in their own ways. I have read criticism of Seven Samurai, that Kurusawa undermined the peasants because he did not make one of them the saviour; instead, he made them rely on “upper class” samurai to be saved. I do not agree with this, because cinema cannot always show the “ideal” — and in this particular story, this particular set of villagers placed their faith in this particular set of samurai. In other words, cinema for me is what is WITHIN THE FRAME, and what’s within the frame is what the director puts in it, despite what Scorsese (kinda-sorta) says:

Another reporter wanted my thoughts on “Dravidian cinema,” and why we are not making cinema based on ideologies anymore. I said we do have Pa Ranjith and Neelam Productions making such cinema, but we must also understand that the cost of making cinema today means that anything didactic has lesser chance of success at the box office. Why? Because other than people who study, write or read about cinema as an art form, most of the audience want an answer to the question: “Is this engaging me?” Most of the audience want stars. Most of the audience is still religious, they believe in temple worship and religion-sanctioned weddings — all of which was anathema to the Dravidian movement. Then this reporter asked me about the “Brahminical values” in the cinema of Mani Ratnam and K Balachander, as opposed to the more democratic cinema of Mahendran, Bharathiraja, etc.
Firstly, I don’t know what’s so “Brahminical” about a filmmaker who makes his heroine a prostitute in order to support her impoverished Tam-Brahm family. I am talking about K Balachander’s Arangetram, which has this terrific scene where a Tam-Brahm client discovers that the woman he slept with is a Tam-Brahm, too. He slaps her for “defiling” the community. She slaps him back, holding his “sacred thread” and asking if he wasn’t ashamed to sleep with a prostitute, being a Tam-Brahm (see 8.30 – 10.30 in the clip below). SP Muthuraman (another ‘upper caste’ director) does something similar in Oorukku Upadesam (written by Visu, another ‘upper caste’ filmmaker). The story is centered around an upper-caste man (not sure if he is Brahmin) who gives lectures on the Ramayana, and whose sons are named Raman, Lakshmanan and Bharathan. In this telling, the Sita character’s father is shown as a womaniser, whose illegitimate daughter is now a prostitute. Here is a subversion of the Ramayana that predates Raavanan.
There’s also Bharathiraja’s Vedham Puthithu, and many other such films that question “caste” values. Maybe this was not a “movement”, but what I told the reporter was that I reviewed films based on their form and content, and not from a sociological perspective. There are many others who do that very well, and I just stick to my “specialty”, if you will. To me, Sarpatta Parambarai is spectacular film that shows a superb filmmaker at the peak of his powers — but is it “better” than other films that do not talk about caste issues?
Aren’t there other issues? Who, before K Balachander, gave so much agency to women in Tamil cinema? In the 70s, he made Avargal, which shows Sujatha bringing her infant to office, because she’s new to the city and has not yet found a nanny. What a unique and all-too-common problem this is! Is it not a “worthy” issue? Who, before Mani Ratnam in Mouna Raagam, showed us what a woman feels before the wedding night, especially in an arranged marriage? These are not small things — and to me, filmmakers talk about issues that they find pertinent, that they think about, issues that matter to them, and that they feel qualified to talk about. But I think the reporter wanted one crisp quote, and none of this made it to the article. Anyway, because I just spoke about all this over the phone, I wanted to put it all down.
Let’s continue to praise filmmakers for making films based on issues. But let’s also understand that there are many kinds of issues, and we cannot expect a single filmmaker to make convincing movies about every one of them.
Oh, and before I forget… (I did say in the title, that this is a “random” set of thoughts!) What do I think about Vetri Maaran’s comment about Rajaraja Chozhan? I really have no opinion on the subject, as I am not a qualified historian. Mani Ratnam and his writers followed Kalki’s book, and — movie-wise — that’s all there is to it. That’s how I evaluate the film, as a critic. But if I were to think of the king outside of the book/film, I’d like to think of him as — first — a human being, flaws and all. I’d like to think that he did a great many good things, a great many bad things (perhaps to protect his kingdom and people, like all kings do), and if anyone makes a new movie only about him (there’s an older one with Sivaji Ganesan, which is mostly hagiography), I’d like to see the man’s “humanity” in all its glory.
Macaulay Perapulla
October 12, 2022
Lovely essay that puts forth a strong case. “Mani Ratnam and his writers followed Kalki’s book, and — movie-wise — that’s all there is to it. ” This line is interesting. Why did Mani treat the book as sacrosanct? Was it because it was loved by millions of tamizh raisgargal? Had Mani not treated it sacrosanct, would his writing approach have significantly changed for the movie?
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tirukumar
October 12, 2022
Loved this write up and the analysis of the film BR. I watched it twice too and I liked the film even more on second viewing but also disliked the score more. So much of the score seems so out of place. There were some stand out moments when I thought the music was good, like when AK finds Pandiyan in the hut … but when the same score was used on a boat fight at the end, it simply felt so out of place.
I know this may be an unpopular opinion but I think the music (accept Alaikadal) and score missed the mark with this film
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H. Prasanna
October 12, 2022
“What do I think about Vetri Maaran’s comment about Rajaraja Chozhan? I really have no opinion on the subject, as I am not a qualified historian.”
You are kind of a film historian, at least for me, a film chronicler. Vetrimaaran said immediately after that “this will happen in films too” [portraying Rajaraja Cholan as Hindu]. Do you think it should be OK to portray a fictional Rajaraja Cholan as Hindu? Or as Vetrimaaran says, can it never be OK?
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vijay
October 12, 2022
“PS-1 works so much better than CCV, because here, I actually cared about the various characters”
your familiarity with the characters from the book may have sub-consciously helped here I think(?)..Because constantly the audience is expected to empathize with a character because he says so..that he is pained or troubled..It doesnt come out via the scenes as much is what I thought..I still liked the film overall but given the density of the plot and the number of characters there was no time to delve into past back stories, separation and such, they played out like a quick 2-min teaser preview..But since the actors were good(in this case Vikram) it made overcoming this a tad easier.
Imagine in Dalapathi if Rajni had talked about his love to Mammootty instead, with the aid of a quick montage flashback, then that eventual breakup scene with IR’s BGM, which is now popular, would’nt have been as effective. The reason we feel at least a part of his hurt in that scene is because of the scenes prior to that, that show them together enjoying their moments despite the class diference. Here, in PS, we miss that. Same with Kundavai or Nandini’s characters. Nandini’s entire past is limited to that shared 2-min Vikram’s flashback and the brief hut scene where she pleads to spare Pandyan’s life and gets brutally rejected. I think this was what that got partially lost when translated to screen, the emotional stakes that we are supposed to have in these characters.
As a purely plot-driven palace intrigue it works as they have’nt missed to mention anything important that we should know about these characters I guess. And maybe thats how the movie is meant to be savored, a quick crash course on the characters and their stakes and then focus on the aftermath..
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vijay
October 12, 2022
Prasanna, what does VM mean by saying “portraying RRC as a Hindu”? what has he been portrayed as in films, until now? This whole argument on just semantic differences is a bit perplexing if not amusing.
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Anand Raghavan
October 12, 2022
Excellent analysis BR. Saw in a few YouTube videos , where MR was so wrongly projected as pro-RW and so much venom that was spewed on him!! He and Kamal are two film makers who endure “Mathalathukku rendu pakkamum adi”.
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Kay
October 12, 2022
H. Prasanna – Raja Raja Chozhan is not a fictional character. Did you mean if he were fictional then is it ok to portray him as Hindu? IMO how can there be a right answer to that question?
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brangan
October 12, 2022
Prasanna: You are kind of a film historian, at least for me, a film chronicler.
Hence my comparison of MR with Kurosawa, along with some of the comments about Kurosawa’s cinema — because that is FILM history. And I know cinema, have seen a lot cinema, have studied cinema from the past and present.
I have done very little of the sort about real-life history, and hence I am not qualified to talk about RRC.
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H. Prasanna
October 12, 2022
@vijay (paraphrasing) According to VM, in the past, [upper caste] propagandists had used cinema to perpetuate wrong history. And DK basically seized the propaganda machine and stopped the rewriting of history by upper castes. He says appropriation of history happens now too [in political discourse, e.g., propagandists claim Valluvar and RRC are Hindu] and it will happen in future in movies as well.
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brangan
October 12, 2022
And honestly, like Vijay, I am still puzzled about exactly which scenes in PS-1 show or talk about RRC or the Cholas as anything but Shaivites.
A list of such scenes would be really useful, as I picked up nothing of the sort even after the second viewing.
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Madan
October 12, 2022
I do prefer the development approach over the vignettes. I think the main reason it works in PS is it is an SPV mission to adapt the book faithfully – to the extent possible – to cinema. Hence, proceeding with the events as they unfold in the book works but otherwise, I would like the film to explore the characters. As Macaulay Perapulla puts it, it seems to be a decision to treat the book as sacrosanct to honour the book and its following.
It’s not a big issue either way for me because the critical feedback has been so confusing. You can’t have people saying both the things – that it’s too much and you have to watch very attentively and that it’s a ‘slow burn’ – at the same time. I mean, it can be either Spa or Monaco, it can’t physically be both at the same time. If those in the audience, including critics, who have issues with the pacing are not able to say what precisely is their issue with it, I say doggone it and stick to a faithful adaptation.
But it did feel like I had to watch every scene with full attention so that I don’t miss anything important. Basically, thriller-whodunnit mode watching but not BECAUSE it’s a thriller (and if it was meant to be, the ‘pitch’ had to be more feverish, more RRR-esque) but because the plot is dense and Mani decided – correctly – that people will laugh out scenes like the never ending trudge through the desert in Lawrence of Arabia today. I still wish the success of this film will embolden somebody someday to make a more unorthodox adaptation of PS and ‘imagine’ something out of it rather than recreate it. Because with the faithful adaptation out of the way and the book fans satiated, that will no longer be an expectation from anyone else who takes it on. Like comparing the classic BBC Sherlock series and the Cumberbatch take on it.
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Jeeva Pitchaimani
October 12, 2022
Social media needs topics more than how a new-born infant needs milk and warmth. So it keeps spawning one topic a week and the crowd rushes in to collect and revel in them getting YouTube views, comments and counter-arguments some of which become money for them. IT wings of political parties too have a vested interest in giving people something trivial to chew upon so that they don’t think about issues that really matter like the falling rupee, soaring inflation, unemployment, fuel prices, rising electricity bills, India’s super-rich overtaking international corporate moghuls in terms of wealth amid all these economic chaos,etc. BR, Kadasila ungalayum urupadi illadha topic la ezhudha vechutanugala?
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brangan
October 12, 2022
Prasanna: So are you saying VM did not refer to the film at all?
Then what is this explosion of videos claiming PS-1 has Hindu-ised RRC?
Also, what was Valluvar? Wiki says this: “Valluvar is generally thought to have belonged to either Jainism or Hinduism.”
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brangan
October 12, 2022
Jeeva, I protest. I think there is some urupadi in the first half of this piece 😀
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Madan
October 12, 2022
“He says appropriation of history happens now too [in political discourse, e.g., propagandists claim Valluvar and RRC are Hindu] ” – But RRC IS Hindu no? By today’s understanding of it. If DMKists insist on this line, I will also have to repeat Anand Ranganathan’s line – was RRC then a member of the Catholic Church instead? There is shaivism outside of TN too and as far as I can tell, the differences between shaivism in TN and outside aren’t especially significant. So the fiction of shaivism as a separate religion TODAY that still does not have anything to do with Hinduism doesn’t stand. If you say RRC was not called Hindu back in the day and leave it at that, I will accept it as an anodyne statement that is likely to be true. But there is nothing to be appropriated to say he could be considered Hindu today. If there is, I must be missing something here.
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H. Prasanna
October 12, 2022
@Kay “Raja Raja Chozhan is not a fictional character…
How can there be a right answer to that question?”
I think every time a historical character is portrayed in fiction, parts of their identity are rewritten according to the artistic requirement. So, it is essentially a fictional character (I would argue even a documentary is colored by the maker’s choices). So, what parts of one’s identity is OK to change (e.g., blackface in Hollywood was culturally OK even until late 2000s, but it is not so now)? And when does art stop being art and starts being propaganda?
Vetrimaaran thinks there can be a right answer. And that answer is artists and viewers should be on the lookout to identify and reject it (e.g., portrayal of Valluvar and RRC as Hindu) when it happens. Perhaps he believes there is enough context for people to identify artistic choices and propagandist choices.
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Madan
October 12, 2022
“Social media needs topics more than how a new-born infant needs milk and warmth” – Adhukku debate yen pa thevai, Modi himself is busy inaugurating a new complex in Ujjain. Everything changa si in Modiland, coffers full to the brim, even as RBI depletes forex reserves to fight off the surging dollar and contain inflation. And by the way, I don’t let Palanivel off the hook either. I find his arrogance quite annoying albeit it is justified in pushing the CG and EC back where they have no business interfering. If TN is so well run, why does it still run a revenue deficit as large, in percentage terms, as Maha’s fiscal deficit. And this is not today, consistently TN has been more profligate in spending. If all of it went to building useful public assets and not throwaway freebies, I would endorse it but at one point, the success of Sun and Kalaignar TVs were boosted by free distribution of TVs.
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Madan
October 12, 2022
I am ok by the way with the stance that since RRC is so far back in time and from a period when Jainism and Buddhism overlapped much more with Hinduism than today, we cannot conclusively say he is Hindu or not a Hindu. But if Vetri says calling RRC a Hindu is right wing appropriation, I call BS.
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H. Prasanna
October 12, 2022
@BR I also misinterpreted Vetrimaaran as referring to PS 1. I think he was referring to films in general and the timing and choice of examples (Valluvar and RRC) led to many people thinking it was about PS1.
And yeah, Wikipedia says Chola dynasty was Hindu as well.
“Hinduism’s” meaning has changed in political/cultural discourse. A while back I read a piece on Caravan about it:
https://caravanmagazine.in/religion/how-upper-castes-invented-hindu-majority
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Jeeva Pitchaimani
October 12, 2022
@brangan 😀 boss neenga nalla/urupadya thaan ezhudhringa.. But Jeyamohan often tells he tries to keep himself away from these trivial discussions.
https://www.jeyamohan.in/173273/
Mudinja Try to read the above link. Semma comedy ah irukum!
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brangan
October 12, 2022
Jeeva, thanks for this.
இருக்கிற நாலஞ்சு வசனம்கூட ஏஆர் ரஹ்மான் ஸ்டுடியோவிலே மட்டும்தான் தனியா கேக்கும். ஆனா அவரு வசனத்த கேக்கமாட்டார். கேட்டா அதுக்கு உடனே மெட்டு போட்டிருவார்…”
ROFL!
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vijay
October 12, 2022
Jeeva, Jeyamohan waded into this controversy long back with his christian missionary funding theories..
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Jeeva Pitchaimani
October 12, 2022
அன்புள்ள சிவகுமார்,
நான் பலமுறை சொன்னதுதான். பொன்னியின் செல்வனின் விளம்பரச் செலவு முப்பது கோடி. அந்த விளம்பரத்தில் ஒரு பகுதியை தன்மேல் திருப்பிக்கொள்ளும் முயற்சிகள் என்பதற்கு அப்பால் இவற்றுக்கு எந்த மதிப்பும் இல்லை. இன்னும் பத்துநாளில் வேறு களம்நாடிச் செல்வார்கள். இந்த குபீர் வரலாற்றறிஞர்கள், திடீர் இலக்கிய ஆய்வாளர்கள் எல்லாரும் பொன்னியின்செல்வன், சோழர் வரலாறு எல்லாவற்றையுமே மறந்துவிடுவார்கள். இவர்களை ஒன்றும் செய்யமுடியாது.
இவர்களை நான் எதிர்கொள்ளும் முறை ஒன்றே. கவனிப்பதே இல்லை. என் வேலையில் முழுக்கவே ஆழ்ந்திருப்பேன். இந்த நாட்களில் நீங்கள் நினைக்கவே முடியாத அளவுக்குப் பணியாற்றிக்கொண்டிருக்கிறேன். அதுதான் ஒரே வழி.
இந்தவகை கூச்சல்களும் ஒருவகையில் நல்லதே. அவற்றை கவனிப்பவர்களில் ஒரு சிறுபகுதியினர் என்னைப்பற்றி கேள்விப்பட்டு, என் இணையப்பக்கத்துக்கு வருவார்கள். நான் எழுதியிருக்கும் கட்டுரைகளை, கதைகளை வாசிப்பார்கள். அறிவியக்கம் என்பது எவ்வளவு பிரம்மாண்டமானது என உணர்வார்கள். அவர்கள் என் வாசகர்களாவார்கள். இதுவரை இங்கே வந்தவர்களில் ஏறத்தாழ மூன்றிலொரு பங்கினர் இப்படி வந்தவர்கள்தான்
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Jeyamohan’s response on how he addresses criticism from social media.
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The Ghost Who Walks
October 12, 2022
I was dragged to this movie for the 2nd time by the family and to my surprise, I found that I enjoyed it more than my first viewing. It could be that I was watching the 2nd time in a larger Imax screen and it enhanced the experience. But I really felt that as a non reader of the book, my first time was muddled with trying to keep up with the hectic happenings on the screen. With that done, I could engross myself more the 2nd time around. Based on this experience, I would recommend giving it a second chance if you were left underwhelmed the first time around.
Having said that, I really hoped the battle scenes were better done. I do not expect Bahubali level OTT battles, but there could have done with a better choreography and for a lack of a better term, better imagination. All the battle scenes felt a little ho-hum.
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Aravindan R
October 12, 2022
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hari prasad
October 12, 2022
You brought up Aayutha Ezhuthu right in this article… Whenever I rewatch it , I feel bad for Mani sir on the failure of the movie… Dude made a really good commercial fare with solid character building , the subtle colour detailings , the vignettes storytelling approach working wonders , the super amazing songs from Rahman and Trisha!!!
I wish Vikram did Maddy’s role of Inbasekaran coz his look in Raavanan resembled that character but Maddy did a commendable job…
The movie is simply amazing to watch and it still holds up well today
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vijay
October 12, 2022
since youtube videos and views are a separate revenue stream these days wonder why Mani&Lyca did’nt try to release music videos of these songs.. even if they decided to chop it out in the film it would have been something if they had shot these songs separately and released it..it would be getting its own audience I think by now..
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therag
October 12, 2022
@Madan, the idiosyncratic adaptation of a well-known epic was done by Mani himself with Raavanan. Antha padam vodaathathanala thaan intha padam ipdi vanthurku. Not that I’m complaining with what we got, but oh I wonder if Raavanan had been a big hit…
I am quite positive Raavanan was a test-bed for the single-film adaptation of Ponniyin Selvan Mani was trying to make in the early 10’s, just like CCV was for PS-1. Thalapathi was probably the test-bed for the 90’s attempt at the novel.
So, it would be an interesting exercise to predict how the other versions of Ponniyin Selvan would have turned out, especially as a oneshot.
@BR, maybe you can ask your buddy Siva for a copy of that single-film screenplay?
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RP
October 13, 2022
Watched the movie and my thoughts echo vijays comments above. I felt the movie was underwhelming for me as far as pure movie experience is concerned. Did not work at all. Movie is a Visual and Audio medium, the movie has to enrich my experience at some level. The only thing i left with after watching the movie is mild intrigue about the characters. From a purely movie watching experience it did not leave me with anything at all. The movie overall was well taken and competently acted and looks like a faithful adaptation of the book for people who read it. But as vijay said above for others where does the emotional connect come for the characters? I followed the overall plot line pretty easily( i have not read the book) but there was nothing which was keeping me engaged. A movie of this scale needs to have some highpoints(no i am not asking for RRR level stunts) which can linger with audience. But i found nothing. The worst was the music overall. The songs and the exaggerated choreography of the songs made me cringe and wanted to take a break during those songs. The BGM was a total mess(what was ARR even thinking in some scenes). I don’t buy the usual nonsense talk about being different , being different is useless if its not effective. This movie required a superior talent music composer(we all know there is only one ). It reminded me of a conversation i saw a few years back between Steven Spielberg and John Williams. Steven said that when he went to John for Schindlers List John initially said that this movie needs a much better music composer than me for which Steven said but they are all dead John. Imagine a genius like John saying like this. But here we have a living genius who would have give a another element to this movie which could have stayed with me when i left the theater(would have loved if some of characters had small themes to them musically i mean).
All this talk of how understated the scenes were is not what a movie should be. Scenes need not be over the top but a movie needs some drama and action to engage people. Here all the characters are so subdued(except for Vikram’s even that was poorly portrayed and his acting in some scenes when he reminisces about his love reminded me of Raavanan). All the scenes are so low key, action and battle scenes are so generically shot and to add to it it keeps cutting to different places and characters. We are supposed to be engrossed how? admiring the lighting or admiring how a scene is shot or how a camera pans out? really.
This is all my view. I guess the people have liked it and made the movie a successful one for Mani. Good for him. I guess the family audience including seniors have made this movie a successful one. I wish Mani had made a web series out of this it would have worked better i feel.
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Heisenberg
October 13, 2022
Speaking of appropriations, I felt in the recent ‘Natchathiram Nagargirathu’ there was appropriation of ilaiyaraaja as dalit icon. If anything Ilaiyaraaja has tried all his life to get rid of that identity and majority of tamil nadu people barely knew his caste.
Few years back when Ilaiyaraaja was given some ‘padma’ award and there was a news article that titled it as ‘dalit outreach by BJP’ there was a huge uproar. I personally had at least 2 people ask me if Ilaiyaraaja was dalit.
To me Ilaiyaraaja is someone who broke all the barriers despite all odds and emerged as undisputed king for a significant time period. I believe its a disservice to people like Ilaiyaraaja, APJ, ARR who are widely celebrated by all and appropriating them as dalit/muslim icons to put forth their ideology is plainly wrong.
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madhusudhan194
October 13, 2022
@Hiesenberg: I think at some level the success of a person becomes important for a community for their upliftment and as an inspiration. I don’t think anybody is “reducing” IR or ARR or APJ to their religious or cultural identity alone. The fact that they have broken the barriers and accepted and loved across the country is all the more important and hence they are celebrated.
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lurker
October 13, 2022
@rp – Who is this mysterious musical genius you allude to?
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Honest Raj
October 13, 2022
@lurker:
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lurker
October 13, 2022
@honest: Ah! Ok. Didn’t occur to me as he is in semi-retirement these days.
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Heisenberg
October 13, 2022
//The fact that they have broken the barriers and accepted and loved across the country is all the more important and hence they are celebrated.//
@madhusudhan19 – I completely agree with you, hence I expressed the concern about appropriating Ilaiyaraaja. As for ARR, APJ it hasn’t happened yet but I just put them all in same league as they are loved widely.
Unfortunately Ilaiyaraaja is in a unique position to be appropriated by both sides (Hindutva & Dalits).
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therag
October 13, 2022
Raja would be a poor choice for this adaptation of PS which is very contemporary and not at all like usual period films.
Not that he’s not capable in theory (to be honest the last amazing Raja soundtrack I can think of is “Thaarai Thappattai”), somehow I feel his style wouldn’t fit this film. Like the Ravi Varman-Mani synergy which is apparent on watching the film, the well known ARR-Mani synergy also comes into play.
This is again exactly like CCV, ARR’s soundtrack fits the film IMHO. So if the film didn’t work for you, the soundtrack also probably didn’t work.
The 90s post Thalapathi PS would have been scored by Raja, so we can hypothesize how that would have turned out….
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Eswar
October 14, 2022
A fantastic piece. Thanks for sharing, BR.
Another song where Mani Ratnam embedding his politics or ideology is Vellai Pookal from Kannathil Muthamittal:
குழந்தை விழிக்கட்டுமே
தாயின் கத கதப்பில்
உலகம் விடியட்டுமே
பிள்ளையின் சிறுமுக சிரிப்பில்
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எங்கு சிறு குழந்தை தன் கைகள் நீட்டிடுமோ
அங்கு தோன்றாயோ கொள்ளை நிலவே
எங்கு மனித ஈனம் போர் ஓய்ந்து சாய்ந்திடுமோ
அங்கு கூவாதோ வெள்ளை குயிலே
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Rajesh A
October 14, 2022
“இருக்கிற நாலஞ்சு வசனம்கூட ஏஆர் ரஹ்மான் ஸ்டுடியோவிலே மட்டும்தான் தனியா கேக்கும். ஆனா அவரு வசனத்த கேக்கமாட்டார். கேட்டா அதுக்கு உடனே மெட்டு போட்டிருவார்…”
@BR all BR fans know that you thought about the heavy orchestra for the bird’s death in 2.0 (for which Resul Pookutty worked hard) when you read it.
w.r.t Kannathil Muthamittal -We see many articles and many people saying that Mani Ratnam didn’t knew the srilankan problem details. But, after reading this article, my understanding is more confirmed now. KM talks more about humans than about the SL war.
I have two thoughts on Vetrimaaran’s comment 1) Had it come 7-10days earlier and become national controversy, the movie might have run better in Hindi belts but it’s success in TN might have reduced little bit. 2) People would move over Vetrimaaran’s comment just like any other breaking news. Unfortunately, it is advantage BJP only.
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Rajesh A
October 14, 2022
@BR – Can we expect a session between you and Jeyamohan on VTM(-1) and PS-1?
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Rajesh A
October 14, 2022
@BR – Can we expect a session between you and Jeyamohan on VTM(-1) and PS-1? Apart from these 2, there are many movies like Ozhimuri, Naan Kadavul, Angadi theru, Kadal, 6 mezhuguvarthigal, Kaaviya Thalaivan, Papanasam, 2.0, Sarkar. Also upcoming Indian-2, PS-2, VTM-2
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brangan
October 14, 2022
Thanks for that comment, Eswar. I added these lines to the post above 🙂
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New
October 14, 2022
@BR,. is there a way to ignore a user, so that I won’t see thier comments on the blog?
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shaviswa
October 14, 2022
@therag
“the idiosyncratic adaptation of a well-known epic was done by Mani himself with Raavanan. Antha padam vodaathathanala thaan intha padam ipdi vanthurku. Not that I’m complaining with what we got, but oh I wonder if Raavanan had been a big hit…”
One of the main issues with the Ravanan film was the reversal of characterisation. Mani Ratnam shows Raavanan as a god hearted hero who wants to avenge his wronged sister while the hero Rama is shown as a scheming cold-hearted villain. And he also showed the Seetha character run back to save Raavanan from Rama. Ugh!
You cannot spoil an epic worse than this way. To say this in Tamil – சிதைத்து சின்னாபின்னம் ஆக்கி விட்டார்கள். And people just could not accept that. That was the reason why the film flopped badly. There may be n number of analysis on why it flopped. But IMO it flopped because of such horrible reversal of characterisation of the leading characters.
After such a horrible experiment failed, it was good to see Mani Ratnam shelve such thoughts and stick to what was originally written in the story by Kalki. He has learned his lesson. Rather – film commerce teaches directors better common sense than anything else.
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shaviswa
October 14, 2022
Freudian slip there. I meant to say “good hearted hero” 🙂
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Yajiv
October 14, 2022
@shaviswa: I remember talking to Sri Lankan friends when Raavanan came out and to them this was the characterisation that they had grown up with (Raavan as the tragic hero & Ram as the antagonist). So they had a far easier time accepting that.
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Yajiv
October 14, 2022
I’m stating this to mention that this ‘idiosyncratic’ characterisation may be far less modern or New Age than one might think it is
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therag
October 14, 2022
@shaviswa, well that is what idiosyncratic means. It was the Ramayana seen from a Dravidian prism. The film flopped badly in Hindi, but did decent business in Tamil, where the context was not totally lost. I also remember reading somewhere that Raavanan was made a tribal chieftain probably in a nod to Veerappan and the police atrocities that led to him getting a lot of support from forest tribes. The movie was way ahead of its time.
On another note, Ramayana veriyargalkaagave speciala “Adipurush” nu oru padam thayaarikkiraanga. It is guaranteed to follow the epic to a tee.
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Rajagopal
October 14, 2022
Enjoyed the article.
Just 2 points.
This ‘Maniratnam is RW’ nonsense is just that, nonsense. Sparked by journos/pols with vested interests and no familiarity whatsoever with his oeuvre.
Also, I think Agni Natchathiram is the uber MR-film-as-series-of-vignettes. Well before his Iruvar days.
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Macaulay Perapulla
October 14, 2022
I don’t know why BR didn’t respond to this question. “Why did Mani treat the book as sacrosanct? Was it because it was loved by millions of tamizh raisgargal? Had Mani not treated it sacrosanct, would his writing approach have significantly changed for the movie?” Let me elaborate on this by drawing rough parallels to Rings of Power. If you come to think of it, both Ponniyin Selvan and Rings of Power had onerous expectations.
While PS1 was offered in a platter by Kalki, Tolkien didn’t fill the complete story of the Second Age. While PS1 stayed sacrosanct to the original material, the showrunners of Rings of Power did a much more radical creative work (at the risk of being iconoclastic, amidst all accusations and brickbats they are getting now for not staying true to the tolkien lore). As this thread attests, did the failure of Raavanan make MR stay strictly focused on bringing Kalki’s vision to life? The movie worked for me because I had done some homework:) But, I can see why it wouldn’t have worked for many. And so I am wondering why MR found the need to stay true to Kalki’s vision?
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Srinivas R
October 14, 2022
Manirathnam sticking to Kalki’s version might simply be because, that is the version he likes and that is the version that rings true to him.
Thalapathy was a straight placement of Karnan’s legend to a fictious current world. Surya in Thalapathy is the same wronged, tragic hero as Karnan.
Manirathnam didn’t feel the need to reimagine Kalki’s version is my guess.
Ramayan as a story is a very simple good vs evil. If you reimagined for today’s world hard to make an interesting movie. There had to be intrigue about the characters. If he had taken the same approach as Thalapathy and stayed true to the epic, it would have been very boring imo.
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lurker
October 14, 2022
“While PS1 was offered in a platter by Kalki, Tolkien didn’t fill the complete story of the Second Age.”
But the very reason a series was made on the second age is that the ‘Lord of the Rings’ trilogy of movies by Peter Jackson was super-successful. And those movies were faithful adaptations of the books largely, just like PS
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madhusudhan194
October 14, 2022
Mani Ratnam has always played around with our idea of Good and evil in his films that if you look at Raavanan, what he did with the characters is actually not that surprising. Even in Thalapathy, the Arvind Swamy character is shown to be someone who is blindly following the law and establishment without making an effort to understand the ground realities of the region. He doesn’t intervene when one of the police officers rapes a minor girl but is outraged when the same police officer’s hand is chopped off. This is a rather subversive interpretation of the Arjuna character.
The reason Thalapathy worked and Raavanan not so much purely has to do with the storytelling. Thalapathy had a clean screenplay and strong emotional content whereas Raavanan was a frozen cold film. It should have been a lot more riveting given the potential it had. It just seemed half-hearted in everything it dealt with – politics of the region, Veera-Ragini relationship and the subverted Ram vs Raavan conflict. Except for the flashback portions and Vikram’s terrific performance, very little of that film really made any impact.
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brangan
October 14, 2022
New: I don’t think you can do that. Maybe you can just ignore the comment if you see a particular name?
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Eswar
October 15, 2022
Ravanan, as a hero, is not that radical in Tamil Nadu. One of my school tuition mate’s father’s name is Ravanan. I have wondered why anyone would keep a name like that. Later I learnt about the alternative narration of Ravanan prevailing among sections of Tamil Nadu. The Dravidian Movement section on the Ravana Wikipedia page has some information on this topic.
Even outside of the Dravidian movement, there is numerous interpretation of Ramayana. Again, the Ravana Wikipedia page covers some of them, but I remember A.K.Ramanujan’s Three Hundred Ramayanas essay discussing it better.
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brangan
October 15, 2022
Macaulay Perapulla: I am wondering why MR found the need to stay true to Kalki’s vision?
Because this is not a very well-known story to today’s audiences. And with so many characters, the best way to make this screenplay as linear as possible.
If you chart out the broad beats of the screenplay, it’s really easy to follow:
Broad Arc One: Karthi gets Mission 1 from Vikram, and this introduces us to the bad guys
Broad Arc Two: Karthi gets Mission 2 from Trisha, and this introduces us to the youngest prince in Lanka — and the bad guys from pre-interval get to do their thing.
The triumph of the film is in how a vast array of characters is moved in and out of this simple design with specific scenes to highlight their traits — plus, with “invented” scenes like the one with Kundavai and the courtiers and the Kundavai/Vikram face-off.
Anything else will be very complicated. My 75-year-old uncle (who has not read the novel) said he really enjoyed the movie — and his technique was to forget the names of the characters and see the film as “oh, sarath kumar is doing this, jayam ravi is doing that etc.”
This is what Peter Jackson did in LOTR, too. He stayed faithful to Tolkien. You can twist known epics like the Ramayana around — because had RAAVANAN been a straight retelling, it would have been boring. It is TOO well-known. But with PS-1, LOTR etc., it’s best to go linear (with the story) and do your subversions in the filmmaking.
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KayKay
October 15, 2022
Honest Raj…Kadavule! Of all the ways you could have answered “Ilayaraaja”, digging out a cringe Bhagyaraj video from one of his Cringe “Late Phase” films is an assault on the senses!
Could have spared my visual cortex and maybe opted for “Raja, Rajadhi Rajan Indha Raja” from Agni Natchathiram 🙂
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Honest Raj
October 15, 2022
@KayKay: “Raja Rajadhi Raja” is almost trite now. Also, this one is more apt to the situation, no? 🙂
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Honest Raj
October 15, 2022
@Eswar: Also, there’s a shrine dedicated to him at the Nellaiappar temple in Tirunelveli.
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vijay
October 15, 2022
madhu, Raavanan also had an issue in that it relies heavily on you knowing Ramayan to buy silly characterizations like that of Karthik’s character, who literally jumps across trees and lands in front of the camera just to tell us that he is ‘Hanuman”..seriously? Or Prabhu who is shown as a glutton since he is Kumbakarn and all that..after a point it became silly..the last 10-15 mins is where the subversion happens but by then the movie tests your patience many times..
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vijay
October 15, 2022
remedial measure for that Bhagyaraj video
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Honest Raj
October 15, 2022
I think Mani Ratnam — like his great idol, Kurosawa — is a humanist filmmaker.
Sure, but some degree of political acumen is required on the filmmaker’s part—especially, when the films have a political backdrop. IMO, MR and Mysskin haven’t come anywhere close to what Kamal achieved in Virumaandi. No wonder, those great filmmakers who wax eloquent about him seem to be in awe of his craft rather than the films.
About his supposed right wing leanings, I believe (after having revisited a few scenes from Roja and Bombay) it’s valid to a certain extent. The flag-burning scene, the lyrics of “Thamizha Thamizha”, all, pander to right wing sentiments (atleast, in the context of TN). Perhaps, they were “compromises” as he wanted to go pan India. But then, art is political (even if the artist is apolitical).
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madhusudhan194
October 15, 2022
Read this paragraph in the book Psychology of money, which refers to another book called Why don’t we learn from History by BH Liddell Hart. Seems quite relevant in this context:
“History cannot be interpreted without the aid of imagination and intuition. The sheer quality of evidence is so overwhelming that selection is inevitable. Where there is selection there is art. Those who read history tend to look for what proves them right and confirms their personal opinions. They defend loyalties. They read with a purpose to affirm or to attack. They resist inconvenient truth since everyone wants to be on the side of the angels. Just as we start wars to end all wars.”
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Karthik
October 16, 2022
that’s okay, because Mani Ratnam is not a political/ideological filmmaker, but a humanistic storyteller
One question is if the reason that the human interest story is the foreground and political commentary relegated to the background (and subtext) is because Mani wants his films to be mainstream. And his mainstream sensibilities were shaped over more than three decades, which includes censor troubles with films like Bombay and Iruvar (and even Mouna Ragam if I remember correctly).
I think its the mainstream sensibility that makes the writing in a lot of his films have a rubberband quality, which is best reflected in the exchange that Madhavan and Shalini have in Alaipayuthey. He tells her he’ll do anything for her. But when she asks him if he would jump off a moving train and he says no (a dialogue that interestingly finds a reworking in PS-1). Mani rarely takes his characters to a place where they cannot come back from.
This is much more evident in his non political films. In Mouna Ragam, despite asking for divorce, there’s very little doubt that Divya would get together with her husband (unlike say Suhasini’s character in Nenjathai Killathey). In OK Kanmani, a film that was about “short-term” live-in relationships, again there’s never any doubt about where it was going to end. But when that rubberband was stretched more in Kaatru Veliyidai, it became less convincing. Yes, Leela is a healer, and she believes she can “fix” VC, but her inner world is relegated to background/subtext. So as a viewer, it can seem like the self interest of one character is given the short shrift.
This rubberband quality when applied to political films also limits how “messy” characters can get. You can only show them engaging with “solvable” problems (“solvable” on screen). If I take the example of Madhavan’s character in Kannathil Muthamittal. He is a (renowned) writer, and so I would expect him to have a deeper, more complex engagement with the political context he has been thrust into. But the film limits it to the kind of exchange he has with Prakash Raj in that scene, which is a rather light handed take on the subject. Its sensible, safe, suited to mainstream.
(Although you didnt mean that) I do want to add a point that political/ideological filmmaking does not preclude humanistic storytelling. A film like Natchathiram Nagargiradhu is for me a very deeply humanistic film that showcases the complexity and unpredictability that makes people what they are. Although it might be termed an overtly political film, I personally found much stronger connection to some of the characters and their (inner) worlds. Although the form (as described by Pa Ranjith) breaks free of conventional storytelling, it seems perfectly in tune to the world today, where thanks to social media, we as people can now have more than one personality. We are far more aware of our social context, and are constantly in conversation “about” society even as we live in it. And what better way to capture that conversation, and more broadly the performative nature of people on social media than a stage production. The simple and unsubtle messaging aside, the film works for me even if I completely ignore the politics of/in it.
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brangan
October 16, 2022
Karthik:(Although you didnt mean that) I do want to add a point that political/ideological filmmaking does not preclude humanistic storytelling.
Of course, Karthik. I did not intend to say that Mani’s films are apolitical or that Ranjith’s films have no humanism.
Which is why I mentioned the lyrics in Mani’s films, because they hit hard on the issue, while the screenplay plays it a little softer.
That way, everything we say or do is political — because everything reflects a mindset or a bias (not in a bad way) or a whole lot of other things.
What I meant was that, like Kurosawa, the human-interest story is what comes first.
Is it also a mainstream decision? OF COURSE! Hardly any people saw NATCHATIRAM NAGARGIRADHU in theatres, and most of them are writing about it after watching it on OTT. (Which is why we uploaded our LIGHTS CAMERA ANALYSIS with Ranjith after the OTT release, so more people would relate to the specifics.)
It’s like SCHINDLER’s LIST vs SHOAH. One is a mainstream-ed and humanistic take that places the focus on the protagonist, while relegating Jews to the background action. One brings Jews to the forefront and records their presence (or their “absence”, if you will.)
I wrote about SHOAH here:
https://www.firstpost.com/entertainment/on-international-holocaust-remembrance-day-looking-back-at-claude-lanzmanns-french-documentary-shoah-7961471.html
Huge amounts of criticism was placed on Spielberg from some quarters, and yet the film was also embraced by critics and audiences. To each, their own — depending on how they see it, their worldview etc.
Again, I am not arguing that “humanistic” storytelling (i.e., bringing the protagonists to the front and using their “story” to reflect on the issue, rather than bringing the “issue” to the forefront) is better than overtly political storytelling.
I am just pointing out that Mani is this kind of filmmaker. And I differ with you about “Mani rarely takes his characters to a place where they cannot come back from” and “there’s very little doubt that Divya would get together with her husband”.
Because that is a charge you can apply on EVERY mainstream film, including SARPATTA PARAMBARAI.
Is there a doubt Arya will win at the end?
Is there a doubt that THIRUCHITRAMBALAM with unite the friends at the end?
Is there a doubt that GURU-bhai will “win” at the end?
Is there a doubt that (MAHANADHI) Kamal will find his son/daughter/family again?
Is there a doubt that (KADAISI VIVASAYI) the farmer will be freed at the end?
Or taking a tragedy, is there a doubt that (GUNA) Kamal will find a way to unite with his Abirami at the end?
Yes, there are some brilliant examples of subversion at the end, like in SAMSARAM ADHU MINSARAM, where you expect the family to unite at the end and Lakshmi drops a bomb and says she’d rather stay away. I think it’s Visu’s finest hour.
Coming back to Mani, I expected the (ANJALI) child to be accepted by the family in the end, but the kid dies — and the movie flopped. So I think I understand why he does his “subversions” within the film — for example, with the “three POV” screenplay of AAYDHA EZHUTHU — than at the end.
To invoke the spirit of KayKay, mainstream films are like certain massage parlours. You need the “happy ending”, but what matters is how each individual likes to be pleased in order to get there 😉 That’s where the skill lies.
Like I always say in the form/content debates, it’s not the WHAT but the HOW.
Is there a doubt that (MULLUM MALARUM) the sister will go away with Sarath Babu? No. But the HOW is why the film stands out, the HOW of “Rajini ‘allowing’ to let the sister go with Sarath Babu”.
PS: As idle curiosity, I wonder how the ending of MULLUM MALARUM or any of other older films (say Visu’s family dramas) would be received in today’s times by Twitterati.
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brangan
October 16, 2022
PPS: Want to add this point, that even something like KADHAL (where the lovers are separated by caste), is an “expected ending”. I mean, you may not know exactly how the separation will happen (at the end), but the screenplays moves in such a way that you watch with dread, expecting the inevitable.
Another point: time changes things. For instance, Mohan is too nice a person in MOUNA RAAGAM, but if the same film were made today, I think he’d be more layered. I wonder how I’d react to the film today, if I saw it for the first time!
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brangan
October 16, 2022
This is very strange. I had to rescue vijay’s RAAVANAN comment from Spam, and it did not even have any links. Any idea what’s happening here — because sometimes there’s so much in the Spam folder that I just do a ‘delete all’?
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Karthik
October 16, 2022
Because that is a charge you can apply on EVERY mainstream film, including SARPATTA PARAMBARAI.
I probably didnt convey what I wanted to say well enough. When I said “there is very little doubt” I wasn’t referring to the happy ending itself (which I agree is an accepted staple of mainstream cinema) but instead how much of the stakes do we feel as we get there. In Nenjathai Killathey, there always was a lingering doubt about what Suhasini’s character would do— in no small part due to Prathap Pothen being, well, Prathap Pothen, whereas with the washed-in-whites Mohan, the stakes feel lighter. With simpler characters, and a simpler time, this isn’t an issue in Mouna Ragam. But by the time of OKK and KV, the experience feels insufficient. So the point I tried to make is that Mani’s mainstream sensibilities might be making him too “safe”.
Sarpatta is a great example of mainstream film where despite the predictable ending the stakes felt much heavier. The character of Arya, for one, is so “unheroic”, and in his down spiral, he’s pushed so far away from a typical mainstream hero. Its been a while since I watched that movie, but I cant really recollect if other than his boxing prowess, there’s any obviously attractive character facet that Arya has in that movie. In contrast, in Mani’s most recent interview with you, it was interesting that his solution for Kaatru Veliyidai was to give VC an additional positive quality for audiences to accept him.
I obviously know very little about Mani’s writing process. But I have this recollection of reading in your “Conversations” that Mani generally knows the structure or arcs of his story when he sits down to write. And he admires how some writers just dont know where their characters are going to take them. Pa Ranjith, based on his most recent interview with you, seems like that kind of writer. And I think when dealing with complex subjects or difficult characters, that kind of “unpredictability” makes the story ring truer.
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Madan
October 16, 2022
Karthik: I hear you on this. I THINK the level of technical craft in Mani’s films leads us to expect writing that’s less pat, less convenient and we don’t get that. For eg, Mani talks about how he introduced the flashback track in Mouna Ragam because otherwise he thought the idea was too radical. But Mahendran had already sort of gone there in Nenjathai Killathe which was, I am afraid, a bolder film if one that required a little more investment on the part of the viewer. I think when you look it at that way, it makes complete sense how Mani’s PS has turned out. It’s pat because it’s Mani. In musical terms, I would put it as music that makes you believe it’s going to be Steely Dan but it turns out to be Huey Lewis instead. OR (maybe this is going to offend some quarters) Ajay-Atul rather than Ilayaraja – all the grandeur with none of the unsettling stuff.
As BR said a few posts down (though this was specifically in the context of PS), Mani puts the subversion in the technique and not the writing. For a lay viewer who is not so educated in technique like me, that’s disappointing. And Hollywood new wave directors like Kubrick, FFC, Scorsese all pampered me to expect the writing to meet the boldness in the technique. It’s also for similar reasons that I thought Dibakar Banerjee’s Byomkesh was beautifully shot but ultimately underwhelming.
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Karthik
October 16, 2022
Madan: Keeping aside the too safe/too clean aspect, I still find there’s lots to like about Mani’s screenwriting. For instance, in PS, I just loved the writing in the segment from Devaralan Attam until Ratchasa Mamaney (and the subsequent boat scene). I loved the echos in the film, like the one between the fear filled conspiracy meeting in Kadambur with an “invisible” Nandini, and then Kundavai addressing the same group in broad daylight in a more cheerful tone. I loved the contrast between the introduction scenes of the two princes. And there’s other stuff too.
What’s probably different in PS is that Kalki has provided a treasure trove of material, a whole lot more of character building than one needs when writing for a movie. Mani’s ability to weave together all the different aspects of filmmaking in a coherent narrative vision just made everything work so well (for me).
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brangan
October 16, 2022
Karthik: Oh, I agree. I think what Mani meant by “additional positive aspect” to VC in KAATRU VELIYIDAI was something like what happened in ARJUN REDDY — something like “this character has anger-management issues” that “explains” to the audience why this man in behaving in such a dick-ish way. It helps the audience “root” for him instantly — or at least, understand him and stay with him. Without that, VC comes across as just a dick. (The equivalent to the “anger management” explanation in KV comes in the hospital scene, but that is too small a scene, and very unconvincingly written — and it doesn’t help much in making us “root” for VC. I would have been happier had this explanation been taken away altogether and VC had just been a toxic man who realises his faults in jail, without saying he “inherited” it from his father.)
But that apart, KV still works for me — whereas, I find OKK more bland in this regard. I wrote in my review:
“But after a point, all this classiness becomes stifling. It’s one thing to have no melodrama. But OKK just doesn’t have drama. There’s barely any conflict and gradually the characters come to resemble soap bubbles, very pretty to look at and iridescently alive, but literally weightless. Maybe this is the whole point. Maybe after a couple of heavy dramas, Mani Ratnam just wanted to do something ultra-light, without much depth. But we still need something to hold on to, some reason to invest in the fate of these characters, and that reason never arrives. Everything happens so blithely, so easily, you may begin to wish for an axe murderer (or at least members of the VHP) to wander into the couple’s bedroom. Even the live-in angle is incidental. You could watch it with your grandmother. The film would have played this exact way even if Aadhi and Tara had simply been two commitment-phobes who happened to fall in love.”
I find the Madhavan character quite layered in AAYDHA EZHUTHU. He is a wife-beater/wife-lover. He is so power-hungry, he kills his brother. Yet, he’s human enough to be devastated when he learns his wife has had an abortion. All this in one-third of a film’s running time.
I find that Gautham Karthik character in KADAL quite layered. He resents his father for not accepting him, and is disappointed further when his “adoptive father” is found a criminal and jailed. So he finds a new “parent” in Arjun, and goes bad and kills people, until he delivers a baby and sees a new kind of blood on his hands — that of an infant.
I think the layered characters come and go in MR’s films, and it would be interesting to know how he decides how far to push a character.
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Karthik
October 16, 2022
I would have been happier had this explanation been taken away altogether and VC had just been a toxic man who realises his faults in jail, without saying he “inherited” it from his father
Absolutely! That hospital scene is dense and economical but not helpful.
Lallan in Yuva worked very well for me (Madhavan in Aayutha Ezhuthu, not as much). But one thing I wonder is, if that portion worked because of the shortened length, and not despite it. When you spend time with a character you want a closer view of the warts and it cant be pretty.
Kadal definitely has the most interesting characters in Mani’s universe (although technically they are Jeyamohan’s).
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Madan
October 16, 2022
Karthik : Oh yeah, don’t mistake what I said to mean it didn’t work for me. In this film the pat-ness worked because of the density of the plot. Plus what wasn’t in the frame per Scorsese. No neat heroes and villains. Which would be ahistorical anyway because it’s not like Pandyas were scum and Cholas were purer than Ganga.
It’s just a gap between the technique and the writing. The former is quite considerably more sophisticated while in the writing, Mani pulls some punches.
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therag
October 16, 2022
In Tamil Cinema, there is an invisible line that you better not cross (by making overly political films). Once crossed, there is no going back. Kamal crossed that line with Thevar Magan, Ranjith was already across the line during his debut. It is safe to assume Mani will always operate on the other side. So, he embeds the politics in the lyrics or context, boosts the technical prowess and hopes for the best. Without this, you are only left with the lighter fluff. This hope has, more often than not, never been repaid by the audience and hence, he takes the safe way out by taking out the politics and leaving only the fluff.
Coming to OK Kanmani, the last quarter of the movie (where the couple know they’re going to have to split and decide to make the most of it, yet dread the coming day) is prime Mani-ARR. One of my favourite segments from the Romance trilogy. I know Mani got some heat for getting the couple married in the end, but for this particular couple, I think it made perfect sense. They’ve seen the Ganapathy-Bhavani relationship, they’ve decided that they’ll keep their relationship alive no matter distance and dreams knowing it is going to take some sacrifice, at this point, marriage is the logical conclusion no?
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hari prasad
October 16, 2022
Ya , Kadal may not be one of Mani’s finest movies , but it shouldn’t have received that much hate it got during its theatrical run because many people thought at that time Kadal would be Mani’s contemporary take on Alaigal Oivathillai , since Karthik’s son and Radha’s daughter made their debuts with this movie and the hype was all around them and eventually they got disappointed seeing ” two uncles fight over God and Satan”
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hari prasad
October 16, 2022
Same with Thiruchitrambalam , another movie that had a much hated climax with Nithya Menen getting married to the leading guy.
It would make you squirm when you watch it , but then as you said it is a logical conclusion.
We all know , if a boy and girl are shown as buddies till the end in a movie , they are bound to get married
Except for very few movies like Kadhalum Kadandhu Pogum , Priyamana Thozhi , most of the movies that were about the boy – girl friendship end in this fashion.
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vijay
October 16, 2022
“Except for very few movies like Kadhalum Kadandhu Pogum ”
its a shame that this movie was’nt as big a hit as Thiruchitrambalam..which explains why filmmakers like Mani tend to stay on the more conservative side (and hence sometimes get branded as RW-leaning)..Even if you are in an abusive relationship or a live-in relationship with doubts, it has to be all ultimately wrapped neatly ending in marriage..In fact Mani’s explanation for OK Kanmani also was along those lines that he sees today’s youngsters as experimenting but ultimately abiding by prevailing social mores, and he was vindicated when it became a hit..that way Vinnaithaandi varuvaaya I thought was bolder on what it managed to pull off in 2010 and achieve commercial success as well..
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vijay
October 16, 2022
“Want to add this point, that even something like KADHAL (where the lovers are separated by caste), is an “expected ending”. I mean, you may not know exactly how the separation will happen (at the end), but the screenplays moves in such a way that you watch with dread, expecting the inevitable.”
I saw Bombay in bits and pieces long back on TV so dont remember the scenes exactly..but do you think the way Bombay was heading would a climax like where the leads fall prey to the mobs rather than assuaging them with a monologue would have been possible? Movies with tragic endings have become hits like Kaadhal or Ek Duje ke Liye before, so it is’nt exactly a compromise on the commercial front to have had that kind of an ending..Mani always wants his audience to walk out of the theaters with a smile or a sense of relief on their faces, why? Rajni was not supposed to have survived in Dalapathi, so the subversion of Mahabharat is made just for a commercially palatable ending but that is understandable since he is a star..But in Bombay its again about the ‘humanism’ in the mob? Really? That didnt still stop a couple of blokes from hurling bombs at his house after the release.
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Joyal
October 16, 2022
Got to watch PS1, but it turned out to be a below average affair. It gave the vibes of a movie like Marakkar Arabikadalinte Simham (Malayalam movie released last year) where there were lot of characters (mostly unnecessary) where none of them really connected or made an impact.
But ofcourse it was still much better than Marakkar overall as the latter’s second half was plain bad with copied scenes, awful dialogues and a terrible love story to drive the plot.
But the first half of Marakkar and the general vibe/feel given by PS-1 felt similar, where lot of characters were introduced and entire settings were driven by a partially engaging plot with good technical aspects, but ultimately turning really underwhelming due to lack of character connection (or sort of half baked characters) and without giving any major impact in storytelling.
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brangan
October 16, 2022
vijay: No, he wanted to end BOMBAY on a hopeful note. The humanism is not in the mob, but in the “city” itself… which is represented by a transgender character.
From the BOMBAY chapter:
RANGAN: During the riots, one of the children is saved by a transgender. An obvious extrapolation is that this ’minority’ person would have more compassion for minorities like these kids, who are partly Hindu, partly Muslim.
RATNAM: This, again, is a feature that represents Bombay and its cosmopolitan nature very clearly. The transgender community is all over the streets there, very aggressive, very friendly, interacting with the commuting public, very much a part of Bombay life. They are not so open here [in Chennai], but in Bombay, they are a strong community, not a rarity. When you go from here, it’s something that strikes you. And they are in a kind of no-man’s-land, caught between two genders. The twins are practically like that, caught between two communities, not knowing which one they belong to. So in a way, all these people are in a limbo, trying to find their feet.
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brangan
October 16, 2022
vijay: Regarding your point about EK DUUJE…, I think audiences are more open to love stories ending in tragedy. Even if you take SUBRAMANIAPURAM (not exactly a love story), it’s the “love story” that leads to the tragedy.
And over time, I think it’s become more difficult to lure large audiences to films with a downbeat ending. Even a modest hit like PARIYERUM… ended on a hopeful note that made us think. And like you did for BOMBAY, you could make a case that the protagonists’ death might have provided more power (in a hypothetical alternate scenario).
Actually, what karthik started may be a thread worth exploring — about our auteurs and how they tackle mainstream cinema and its must-haves
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vijay
October 16, 2022
Would Nayagan count as a ‘tragic’ ending? Kamal could have been acquitted for want of evidence and leave it at that..
Yes our audiences seem to prefer Shawshank redemption’ish endings than No country for Old men’ish type meditations 🙂
Bala, was the anti-thesis to this approach and still found commercial acceptance for a while before it became a bit too much..
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Madan
October 16, 2022
BR: On the one hand, I find his take on the transgender community in Mumbai, well, interesting to put it politely. They are tolerated (as would just about anyone and anything in Mumbai) and have their space but they are distinctly othered and ostracized out of mainstream society and not ‘free’ in a genuine sense. Speaking at least of transgender beggars whom I believe Mani is referring to here. There have been transgender persons inducted into Maharashtra police recently but put transgenders in what I would call ‘Indian drag’ and the reaction of the public changes.
But on the other, yes, the ending to Bombay was hopeful and that is how us Mumbaiites took it back then. I don’t know if that ending would fly TODAY but at that time, people in theater applauded the scene, thunderously and not fitfully. The movie as such was very warmly received in Mumbai. Maybe looking back, it could be considered too topical and hence weaker than some of his other work, but at that time, it was like the balm the city was searching for. I remember discussing this with Macaulay in another thread – maybe today because of the hyper polarized times we live in, we would look at Mani’s humanism suspiciously but that wasn’t how it went down back then.
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hari prasad
October 16, 2022
Speaking of VTV , I don’t know why people call it a “feel good” romantic movie and place it along with the likes of Kushi , Sachein , Kaadhalil Sodhappuvadhu Yeppadi and Kanda Naal Mudhal , which were the actual feel good romance movies , I mean wtf?!?
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vijay
October 16, 2022
“Actually, what karthik started may be a thread worth exploring — about our auteurs and how they tackle mainstream cinema and its must-haves”
I second it.
Also, do you think as a reviewer/critic you have to consciously not fall for the disclaimer of “based on a true story” during a film’s opening credits which automatically buys some gravitas for the movie from the audience? I feel even if it based on a true story, not mentioning it in the credits would be a better test of how the movie fared in engaging the audience or keeping their belief suspended for 2+hrs, than to buy their attention/disbelief by declaring upfront that hey this is based on true story, (so dont look for logical loopholes and such)..This declaration alters my perception of the film somewhat I feel. I think I would be able to better evaluate the film without this. Kaadhal, wouldnt have lost much if Balaji had’nt mentioned that it was based on a true story. I did some search around this and this article interestingly from western media seems to suggest something along similar lines
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/based-on-a-true-story-it-s-the-most-overused-tagline-in-cinema-at-the-moment-but-can-we-really-believe-it-8216817.html
“It is often the most unbelievable plotlines that carry claims of truth. With real life this exciting, why bother with fiction? And do we really care if it’s a lie if it is a good movie? I suspect not. But it is a crass means for filmmakers to ensure we suspend our disbelief.”
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Kannaa
October 17, 2022
On the topic of Raavanan (though not Mani’s Raavanan, which I did not like), Kamban’s version of Ramayanam (aka Ramaavataaram) draped Raavanan in encomiums about his physical prowess, his expansive knowledge, his musical skills (a virtuoso) etc. And in Tamizh consciousness, Raavanan’s virtues are generally acknowledged, even if he may not be ubiquitously revered for it. His fatal flaw was in turning into a pile of mush over Sita (that and being a hegemonic bully arrogating power to torment his enemies).
Leave it to Kamban’s lovely imagination (a poet’s poet) to paint various shades of Raavanan’s breathtaking obduracy in not letting go of Sita, despite the numerous pleas from his family. Sample below. Here is Raavanan’s pathetic lamentation to Sita (at Ashokavanam) after dispatching his brother Kumbhakarnan to wage war on his behalf.
தோற்பித்தீர்; மதிக்கு மேனி சுடுவித்தீர்; தென்றல் தூற்ற
வேர்ப்பித்தீர்; வயிரத் தோளை மெலிவித்தீர்; வேனில் வேளை
ஆர்ப்பித்தீர்; என்னை இன்னல் அறிவித்தீர்; அமரர் அச்சம்
தீர்ப்பித்தீர்; இன்னம், என் என் செய்வித்துத் தீர்திர் அம்மா!
Here is another slice of his stupidity that comes ahead of the incident surrounding the above stanza. After getting his “உயிர்ப்பிச்சை”, he is returning from the battlefield crestfallen. He isn’t worried that he faces ridicule by those he had tormented earlier (the devas, the rishis, …). What he most agonized over was “what will beautiful Sita think of me now ?” 🙂
வான் நகும், மண்ணும் எல்லாம் நகும், நெடு வயிரத் தோளான்
நான் நகும் பகைஞர் எல்லாம் நகுவர் என்று அதற்க்கு நாணான்
வேல் நகு நெடுங்கண், செவ்வாய், மெல் இயல் மிதிலை வந்த
சானகி நகுவாள் என்றே நாணத்தால் சாம்புகின்றான்
(Aside: In the song “இளமையெனும் பூங்காற்று, பாடியது ஓர் பாட்டு”, Kannadasan waxed philosophical about love/lust & offered this quintessence : “தேகம் துடித்தால் கண்ணேது?”)
In the end, Raavanan wasn’t defined by his prodigious martial / intellectual skills, but by his most crippling vice(s) ! Back to Ponniyin Selvan – 1 🙂
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brangan
October 17, 2022
vijay: What I am evaluating is not — say — Nambi Narayanan, but Madhavan’s film on Nambi Narayana’s life. What I am evaluating is not Kalki’s novel, but Mani Ratnam’s film version of Kalki’s novel. What I am evaluating is not the Bombay blasts, but Anurag Kashyap’s film version of those events.
So, as a CRITIC, the only thing that matters is what is within the frame, the four sides of the screen.
As an ESSAYIST, I may broaden the scope of my piece to include other thing, for a critic, only the film matters.
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KayKay
October 17, 2022
“In the end, Raavanan wasn’t defined by his prodigious martial / intellectual skills, but by his most crippling vice(s) !”
Or to put it more simply…in spite of having 10 heads, like all men since the dawn of time, he still let the OTHER one do all his thinking:-)
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KayKay
October 17, 2022
“Also, do you think as a reviewer/critic you have to consciously not fall for the disclaimer of “based on a true story” during a film’s opening credits which automatically buys some gravitas for the movie from the audience?”
Never mind critics, I believe it is the most naive or casual movie goer who still falls for this.
Especially when you watch enough Hollywood movies, the moment you see that “Based on a True Story” line flash on screen, the needle on your Bullshit-O-Meter should start going crazy. Especially when applied to biopics, and ESPECIALLY when you know said biopic could only have been made with the explicit consent of the Subject Matter’s Family/Estate.
So, it makes perfect sense that BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY would portray Freddie Mercury as the most debauched and hedonistic member of Queen while John Deacon, Brian May and Roger Taylor were portrayed as “decent family men” who at the end of the day just wanted to go back to their families. The Iconic Queen Frontman as Tormented Queer while his Bandmates are Paragons of Normalcy? Deacon, May and Taylor had producer credits while Mercury is no longer alive to defend himself. Based on a True Story? Yeah right.
Applies to any filmic depiction of a True Life Figure or Incident. It’s the Hook to reel you in. Most of us stopped falling for it Line and Sinker.
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KayKay
October 17, 2022
“To invoke the spirit of KayKay, mainstream films are like certain massage parlours. You need the “happy ending”, but what matters is how each individual likes to be pleased in order to get there 😉”
Touch Panniteenga, B! Romba, Deeeep-aaaa Touch Panniteenga
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sravishanker1401gmailcom
October 20, 2022
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vijay
October 20, 2022
“What I am evaluating is not — say — Nambi Narayanan, but Madhavan’s film on Nambi Narayana’s life. ”
well that’s obvious thats what you intend to do..but on a sub conscious level the fact that this has something to do with a real life (or based on an epic) can sometimes convince a viewing member of the audience to accept or gloss over certain inconsistencies in arcs or logical loopholes in the movie..maybe less so for a seasoned critic like you but nevertheless..
Take raavanan( based on ‘ramayan’ )- Karthik’s silly characterization especially the way he was introduced in the film after jumping across trees is glossed over since you sub-consciously recognize he is ‘hanuman’.. assume for a moment that this was not based on Ramayan or inspired from there, then you would wonder why in the world would this otherwise regular character be doing these things..Same with some of these inspirational biopics like Pursuit of Happyness, the fact that most of this actually happened and the current status of the characers are flashed after the movie ends lends some sense of artificial importance to what was shown on screen..its almost successfully used as an emotional crutch to make the film seem more ‘important’ in the eyes of the general audience..same with Brockovich, Dark waters and other such movies..
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sravishanker1401gmailcom
October 20, 2022
Vijay : Post of the day!
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sravishanker1401gmailcom
October 20, 2022
Sorry @KayKay too
‘Any resemblance to characters living or dead is PURELY INTENTIONAL’
Forget art. Every piece of shit that every man has to eat for the rest of his life is autobiographical as Hell
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hari prasad
October 22, 2022
BR , have you ever posted something about Kannathil Muthamittal here in this blog like this one?!?
If so , please share the links with me.
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Vinaya
October 24, 2022
Maniratnam had a job to do, to show us what the hullabaloo about the book was all about.
As to whether he succeeded is reflected in the box office, for a film touted to be the pinnacle of Tamil cinema, it’s performace is less than flattering.
Not that I liked the PS book, could not read the book beyond a few pages, the quality of the Tamil left much to be desired, that left me uninterested in the Chola going ons.
The writing for the movie also reflected it’s parental style, it contains some of the most trite lines I ever heard in a mainstream movie by a mainstream flim maker. Shame on you JM.
I have commented on other aspects elsewhere so there is little need to repeat it here.
This is the Instagram era, where everyone self certifies, adorable anju says one.
Now the same disease in evidence in directors too.
Despite sub standard work for most of his career, Myshkin thinks of himself as a hot shot, the guy advises others on film making.
Next in line is Vetrimaran about whose work can be summarised with one word, cinema horribilis, now he has become an icon of sorts.
There will be others who follow soon, because we now have a generation that’s filled itself with screwed up analysis of cinema garbage, where but from YouTube, and they are going to beat their chests and claim they are the best.
Baradwaj has a point, the directors job is limited to the frame, but then this is an audience that is so lacking in self confidence that they need to have a message in every cinema, sub texts need to scream from every frame.
Enna message solraru, is a frequent question, oru message sollanum is something you hear from every prospective director.
Baradwaj is right to ignore these questions, cinema is at best am aesthetic pleasure and is best left unanalysed.
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lurker
October 24, 2022
“Next in line is Vetrimaran about whose work can be summarised with one word, cinema horribilis”
Care to elaborate on this sweeping (and very generic) lament?
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Vinaya
October 24, 2022
Lurker,
Guess that calls for a larger post for which today is unsuitable.
Just a tip:
It is Vada Chennai that put me in this murderous mood.
Happy Diwali
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Vinaya
October 24, 2022
Lurker
My earlier verbiage, generic again, is here.
https://baradwajrangan.wordpress.com/2022/10/11/readers-write-in-506-ponniyin-selvan-a-masterpiece-and-a-masters-peace/
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Vinaya
October 24, 2022
In its original avatar Dravidian politics was victim politics, which started out as kind of a sham, but found its true humanistic and liberal bearings later.
The famed gains of the Dravidian model drive from that last humanistic surge.
The new Dravidian politics which has no real resemblance to its predecessor takes victim politics to a more urgent level, this time its idealogues are from the victims of the earlier victims who populated the earlier version.
If the earlier version celebrated pioneers like Bharathiar, this version is cool towards such pioneers, it accuses then if not going the full lap.
Brahminism is actually irrelevant to this new Dravidian politics.
For the Brahmin is long dead and gone, his influence on the modern polity at least in Tamil Nadu is next to nothing.
So when the old version attacks the Brahminical suppository, it is actually defending itself against the new version which has begun to denigrate them as quislings to the cause.
So there it is.
Until this fact, that the attack is actually a defense, is understood, all of us will be wasting time taking sides on old questions.
The war is no longer between Varnashrama and Jati, it is between the middle jatis and the lower ones, to which is added the immigrant note, a post 13th century appendage that derives from the loss of the lands and then loss of majority to the new invaders.
The Pa.Renjith model targets not the Brahmin but their real oppressors, who had hidden themselves behind the old version for the last fifty years, and continued to denigrate the lower ones.
That most of the oppressors are immigrants is true and this is the Seeman platform.
In the earlier version, Dravidian politics used Brahminism as a basketball hoop into which they could shoot their balls, the new version seeks to shoot the older ones balls, and thus fear has gripped the older gang, they are hard at work trying to point out to the new gang that the hoop is elsewhere. That’s is the Raja script, the attack on old and irrelevant scripture.
Hee is merely trying to tell the new gang, Eh, that’s where you ought to shoot.
But that’s not going to happen.
These guys are going to get shot, give it take another ten years. To survive till then, they need Anti Brahminism if just butt to save their balls.
The best advice for Baradwaj is not to get involved, the fight is elsewhere and best not to get in the crossfire.
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Vinaya
October 25, 2022
Thanks Baradwaj for putting up this blog, a nice place to chew on cinematic cud.
Only complaint is that now that others are also writing set pieces here, the quality seems to have taken a hit.
I think that originally film criticism was like art criticism, to point out what did not work rather than what worked, that would be called art appreciation.
Now it’s all got mixed up, and a lot of the material here seems like hagiography, an old Tamil disease best kept away with searing and antiseptic writing.
For a start, I guess this blog should have something like a post view poll for your user’s, asking whether a cinema worked for them, or did not.
That would make it a “quantified cinema” blog as opposed to a place where you have a independent dependable review plus all that lazy cud chewing.
It might be a shock to your older audience but may work better with newer ones.
What do you think of it?
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hari prasad
October 25, 2022
“Originally film criticism was like set criticism , to point out what did not work rather than what worked , that would be called art appreciation”
But then , nowadays everyone is just focused more on criticising movies rather than appreciating it , or if a movie gets wide spread love , someone has to bring about something about its messaging , philosophy or whatever to tell why we should not watch it.
Ex. Asuran being called a movie that encourges kids to pick up a sickle and slash people.
Vikram being called out for “romanticization of drugs and mindless violence” , and now Kantara being called a movie that promotes Brahminism and Sanadhana Dharma.
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hari prasad
October 25, 2022
Also , I think people are no longer interested in enjoying movies at all , they just watch it to poke fun at it or to just shit on it or else to waste some 2 hours with your whole family talking about some nonsense and munching some snack as if the theatre is a picnic spot.
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Madan
October 25, 2022
Vinaya: I am a little confused now as to what your views are because in the Readers Write you gave an unqualified verdict to Mani’s film and now you seem to be criticizing it. I mean, it’s ok to criticize but just asking if you have changed your verdict now and if so, why? Did you watch it again and found it underwhelming or did you react to the fellato overload (which lines up with the trend hariprasad mentions)?
When you say, “As to whether he succeeded is reflected in the box office, for a film touted to be the pinnacle of Tamil cinema, it’s performace is less than flattering.”
If you are referring to the box office performance of the movie, I am not sure exactly how it is less than flattering. In this blog, 2.0 which barely made more than its budget after carpet bombing the f out of theaters is hailed as a big blockbuster. Compared to that, both PS and Vikram are genuine blockbusters which raked in the moolah through high intensity of audience participation in Tamil Nadu and in Tamil pockets elsewhere. Yes, it did average biz, maybe semi flop, in Telugu and a small hit in Hindi but nobody complained back in the day about Raja Hindustani not being a big hit in Tamil Nadu. I think its Hindi biz is actually surprisingly encouraging for a film that is rooted in not only Tamil language and the book but in Tamil cultural nuances (the Alwarkadiyan-Vandhiyathevan debate would fall flat outside TN where Vaishnavism v/s Shaivism is no longer such a big debate). It got a smaller release than KGF, RRR or Brahmastra and still overtook Brahmastra’s collections comfortably and on a lower budget at that. So I don’t think the box office performance is up for debate nor have I heard anyone – except maybe BSM whose videos I haven’t seen? – suggest that it’s not a hit.
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Madan
October 25, 2022
“I think people are no longer interested in enjoying movies at all , they just watch it to poke fun at it or to just shit on it or else to waste some 2 hours with your whole family talking about some nonsense and munching some snack as if the theatre is a picnic spot.” – Word!
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hari prasad
October 25, 2022
Also , I hate it when people bring their children to watch violent and gory movies , despite knowing it that it isnt suitable for them and then later scream at Twitter by saying ” omg this movie is violent as hell , me and my children cant stand it for 5 mins , the movie is so gory that the blood splattered on my face hehehe and pregnant ladies dont watch this as itll affect your pregnancy”.
Classic hypocrite stuff.
Dude , who’s gonna force a pregnant lady to watch these kinda movies , but then horrible people like that exists sadly and blame it on the filmmakers if something bad happens.
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hari prasad
October 25, 2022
The whole “bringing your family and kids to watch a violent movie and complaining how violent the movie” thing is like stabbing yourself with a knife and put the blame on the knife that it was responsible for the stabbing.
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Vinaya
October 26, 2022
Hariprasad,
I guess that Baradwaj answered that part well elsewhere, the single question the general audience asks is whether it is engaging to him/her.
Modern film criticism fails to answer this question and takes refuge behind the fact that experience is relative.
This is despite evidence that a film that moves one million people does move the other millions too.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but then exceptions are what reinforce the rule.
Note there is nothing wrong in appreciating our enjoying certain portions or certain characters or scenes, but the whole, as far as cinema is concerned, it is better that good cinema be greater than the sum of the parts rather than otherwise.
Otherwise how does one delineate one experience as ordinary and another as great when it’s ingredients are the same .
How does one celebrate the extraordinary coming together of things, which is exactly the directors job, to elevate the ordinary into an experience that as Wordsworth pointed out is enjoyed as repeated recollection too.
I do take your point of people going there to trash the movie, it does happen.
People who have been there done that do expect to the engaged far beyond the ordinary and if you ask yourself if will tell you that great cinema as if by magic does do that, it moved you beyond your expectation of movement, it makes your forget the world, and immerses you in its own.
The bar is high, and very few actually can cross over it.
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Vinaya
October 26, 2022
Madan
I guess I qualified that statement with pinnacle, and the general financial expectation from epic format (high spend) films where the revenue multiplier is 3+ times budget if that movie is highly popular. Hollywood sometimes make even more, but then we need not go there.
PS1 – 500 crore collection includes around 150+ in pre-sales, 100 in foreign/other state collections, 50 from other rights, if my understanding is correct.
Correct me if I am wrong, Tamilnadu average daily collection is around 10 crores for a superstar hit, 20+ for opening 3 days. Ajith movies outrun others at 30 at least on opening day.
PS1 hit it early on, and tapered off rather quickly, meaning that it was from general expectation rather than from word of mouth which is the usual non tech qualifier for a hit.
Perhaps it was my expectation overflow, but I went to see it on the eleventh day, in a prominent theater in a prominent city, there were around 40 people, the car lot had just four cars.
Underwhelming
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Maniratnam has not done really well in terms of box office collections recently, except for the odd one, but still I expected more.
In summary, this puts PS1 in the league of other local non epic format films that did very well, like Vikram, which spent around 150 crores as against 300 crore theatrical collection, and 1000+ screens
Just for reference, a late pick up but blockbuster performance timeline is here –
https://m.behindwoods.com/tamil-movies/ratsasan/ratsasan-box-office-nov-04.html
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brangan
October 26, 2022
Vinaya, here is a box office acculumator. In the first ten days, the film did not dip into single digits except on one day. That means exceptional word of mouth (and not just expectation) plus the fact that even those who have not read the book wanted to see the film.
Had it been just the hype, the film would have fallen hard from Monday itself (even with the holidays). But like VIKRAM (similarly termed as confusing by some), this was the rare film where people showed up for second helpings. Even if you argue that they did so only to “make sense” of the film, the fact that they did not wait for OTT for a sexond viewing means a lot these days.
For a film with mixed reviews, and for a film not taken in a massy Ajith/Vijay style, these are mind-boggling numbers. The trade is still in shock and several historicals are being announced as we speak.
https://www.sacnilk.com/quicknews/Ponniyin_Selvan_2022_Day_12_Box_Office_Collection?hl=en
Of course, I am only talking about the Tamil version. Other language versions have not done too well.
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hari prasad
October 26, 2022
Trade analysts speculate that if PS1 runs for another month in the theatres here in Tamilnadu , then it has a great chance of overtaking Vikram as the highest collecting Tamil movie of all time , thus becoming the first ever Mani Ratnam movie to top the Tamil box office.
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lurker
October 26, 2022
I think it has already overtaken Vikram, but falls behind 2.0
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hari prasad
October 26, 2022
2.0 ‘s overall box office collection still remains a mystery…
Some say it collected 800c , while others say it collected only 600c
Either way , the movie is still a below average grosser because of the gargantuan budget the movie was made under.
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Madan
October 26, 2022
“PS1 – 500 crore collection includes around 150+ in pre-sales, 100 in foreign/other state collections, 50 from other rights, if my understanding is correct.” – No, its to date worldwide gross of 464 cr is basically 300 cr India gross and 162 cr overseas. This does not include the OTT and satellite rights which add up to another 150 cr. And the comparative figures of Vikram of 450 cr and 2.0 of 600-800 cr are also worldwide gross so it’s apple to apple.
You say you went on the eleventh day and if my understanding is correct, that makes it the second Monday (not even second weekend) which is historically bad for most films unless you want to go back to the days of Sholay (which roared in an era without colour TVs, VCRs or satellite channels). And when you say prominent theater in prominent city, that’s not telling me whether it was a center in TN or outside. You can’t reasonably expect big crowds for a Tamil film on the second Monday in North/Maharashtra. There’s no film that’s done that in a very long time.
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hari prasad
October 26, 2022
What I read on the internet that Ponniyin Selvan was announced in early 2019 as a single standalone film that would be made under a budget of 500 crores , but since it’s really impossible to tell the whole story as a movie in just 2 hours , MR and Lyca decided to split the movie into two parts , thus spending 250 crores each for a part.
If that’s the case, then PS-1 had earned double the budget at the box office which makes it a grand success like KGF2 , RRR
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Madan
October 26, 2022
BR: ” and for a film not taken in a massy Ajith/Vijay style, these are mind-boggling numbers.” – Exactly, this is like a Tamil Mughal-e-Azam except 60 years and more since the days of Chandralekha and other such historical/period films.
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Madan
October 26, 2022
“If that’s the case, then PS-1 had earned double the budget at the box office which makes it a grand success like KGF2 , RRR” – Yeah, not a match for KGF2 which is a monster, an all time blockbuster in the sense the term was used before but if you compare box office to budget ratio, yeah, like RRR. Vikram has been a little more profitable than PS but grossed less. Profitability wise, Kashmir Files and Kantara are the most successful this year.
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Madan
October 26, 2022
“Modern film criticism fails to answer this question and takes refuge behind the fact that experience is relative.
This is despite evidence that a film that moves one million people does move the other millions too.”
I think the reason why modern criticism emphasises the relative nature of experience and tastes is in your second statement or rather the fact that the second statement doesn’t really hold true anymore. HAHK is considered the next biggest Hindi blockbuster after Sholay and I didn’t like it. I know many who didn’t either. The notion that ‘everyone’ likes the big blockbusters of the year was gone a long time ago.
In the Indian context, it went basically the moment cinema moved from making genre films like drama, romance, comedy, thriller to masala entertainers. Sholay was the high watermark of masala and has a near-universal appeal but with Manmohan Desai, the genre increasingly entered the ‘one time watch’/’full timepass’ territory and was less and less timeless or memorable. This happened with a lag in Tamil. Probably started with the lesser Rajni blockbusters like Arunachalam and was cemented from the point the reign of terror of Ilayam and Thala began.
So box office success is now an unreliable predictor of wide appeal. Movie makers know this and look to target a ‘base’ instead. Making films that young people will like is a good bet to get large crowds to the theaters even if that doesn’t necessarily mean all demographic sections like it. PS is very old fashioned in that sense as its appeal is indeed very broad. Everyone in each demographic may not like it but this is a film that has appealed to people across demographics rather than targeting specific sections.
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hari prasad
October 26, 2022
Ya , if we judge movies with box office success , then Bigil and Annaatthe would have been one of the greatest Tamil movies of all time and people would call Vikram 2022 as Kamal’s best movie instead of Nayagan or Mahanadi.
Despite Annaatthe getting trashed left , right and centre by even the most die hard Rajini fans , it did really well at the box office , especially in Tamilnadu where it got more than 50 percent of its collections even after all those negative reviews and it’s shocking early Netflix release (imagine seeing a new Rajini movie on TV , just 20 days after its release!)
, thus becoming the 2nd successful Tamil movie of 2021 behind Master.
So , as Madan said box office success is an unreliable predictor.
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Deepika
October 26, 2022
Do anyone know when PS is releasing on OTT?
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Madan
October 26, 2022
Nov 18 on Amazon Prime according to one source on the net.
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Srinivas R
October 26, 2022
@Vinaya – Just commenting on the box office info. By all accounts, PS is a monster hit. Even after Deepavali release and one of them(Sardar) with a decent WoM, PS 1 is still running at least 2-3 shows in multiplexes nd cinema halls in TN. It is already the highest grossing Tamil movie in TN. Will most likely top 500Cr by end of this week.
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Anand Raghavan
October 26, 2022
I think PS1 is the most discussed movie on this blog. Hope PS2 will shatter this record. 🙂
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hari prasad
October 26, 2022
The Remo review post and its discussion thread laughing
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hari prasad
October 26, 2022
What I meant was , Sivakarthikeyan’s Remo was the most discussed movie ever in Baddy’s blog due to obvious , serious reasons and I think PS might come a close second.
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Severus Snape
October 26, 2022
The Remo thread was the first one I ever read on this blog, after watching a few interviews of BR on FC South channel. While I didn’t immediately read all the comments, I did so at a later point of time. It cleared a few muddled thoughts I had back then and provided a sense of maturity, so I’m glad the discussion took place.
About PS-1, I was hoping to see 400+(or even 500+) comments on a single thread, but then it was split into two(and this being third one regarding the movie).
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hari prasad
October 27, 2022
I think that remains the most commented post in Baddy’s blog with 476 comments , I think…
And happy to see Tamil Cinema trying its best to portray love without the stalking , slut shaming and threatening to die stuff coz of the awareness it gained with Remo and all the horrible incidents that happened to the girls because of the infamous “rugged boys”.
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hari prasad
October 27, 2022
Speaking of stalking and molestation , I just saw a post on Instagram about VTV that said something like ” if Rahman didn’t compose the Omana Penne song , then the scene where Simbu kisses Trisha in the train would have felt like him molesting her”.
People are sharing that post a lot on their instagram stories and I fear they might call out GVM for that…
Anyone please share your view , take , perspective on how you saw the Omana Penne song?
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madhusudhan194
October 27, 2022
@hari Prasad: In the song its clear that the Trisha character is equally attracted to him. She doesn’t stop him when he starts kissing her. It’s just that she doesn’t reciprocate with the same intensity as his but there are clear positive signals for him there. In the end he asks sorry and she says “I’m sorry too”, meaning she was into it in a way. It’s too much of a stretch to call it molestation. This comes from a certain acquired woke mindset that has no understanding of human emotions.
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Rahini David
October 27, 2022
There were multiple Arjun Reddy threads and each was considerably long. But PS threads (along with the few Reader’s Write Ins) have mostly remained within topic. I can’t think of any other movie (perhaps one of the Bhansali movies) where the discussion actually remained about the movie and still invited comments.
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hari prasad
October 27, 2022
I think it was Bajirao Mastani…
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hari prasad
October 28, 2022
No Madan , PS1 is available on Amazon for rent from today and next week on Nov 4th , it’ll be available for free…..
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Madan
October 28, 2022
hariprasad: Thanks, so they got ahead of that source! 🙂
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Vinaya
October 28, 2022
I guess there were other bits in my original comment somehow this budget thing gathered more attention that it deserved.
Thanks to everyone who corrected me, on pure figures I was wrong.
There seemed to be a bit of misunderstanding on my point that good cinema is more or less like a beautiful thing, or woman r child, or man ( trying to avoid the sexist tag here)
A thing of beauty is they say a joy for ever, it is said, that poer should have said everyone too. We now have research that across the world the idea of beauty is similar.
What’s true of beauty is true of cinema too, great cinema moves everyone everywhere.
I remember sitting though the slowest Polish movie which ran for fair plus hours and by the end, the audience were not only engrossed but in tears.
Look at it from my perspective, Maniratnam got the money, the talent, the audience and he could have made a cinema that moved the world.
If some random filmmaker from some random country can move the world with his creation, even with cinema commercial, why is it that our foremost filmmaker fails to do so.
Did PS1 measure up?
I am setting the bar a little high, but that’s what the expectation is
I am in a bit of a hurry, but this point is something worth ruminating till I can bet back.
Thanks Madan Srinivas, Hari Prasad and others for going through what’s essentially a rant and paying attention to the bits.
Indebted
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brangan
November 16, 2022
https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/how-did-they-condense-pentalogy-two-films-writers-ponniyin-selvan-speak-169974
See, this portion (about putting thoughts into songs), like I said in the essay above:
“Besides, verses in songs have also been used to foreshadow upcoming events. For instance, the lines ‘Vendan kudi ketaal boodhavi, Rathathinai kotti baliyidu. Ilaiyon thalai ketaal bairavi, Rathathinai kotti baliyidu’ from the song ‘Devaralan Aatam’ hint at how someone in the royal bloodline and the youngest child of the king are in danger.”
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Macaulay Perapulla
November 16, 2022
“At the beginning we are introduced to the Cholas before the glory days. The elder son is fighting in the north, the younger son is fighting in the south and the king is bedridden in Thanjavur and a comet appears bringing with it bad news and assassins.
By the end of PS 1 the set-up still remains, the elder son is still fighting in the north, the younger son is still in the south and the king is still bedridden. ”
I thought this was an interesting observation about the arc of the movie.
https://lowlylaureate.com/2022/11/05/frs-ponniyin-selvan-i-2022/
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Heisenberg
November 29, 2022
Mani Ratnam made agenda movie Roja with soft sanghi Balachandar and ARR contributed to islamaphobe in TN. While Ilaiyaraaja (Dalit) is being questioned for being part of caste promoting movies, Rahman is left of the hook because he is a muslim who converted from dominant caste.
This is not post from random twitter troll. She is relatively known dalit/feminist activist with a regular column in popular weekly magazine. Just wow.
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Heisenberg
November 29, 2022
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Heisenberg
November 29, 2022
https://www.huffpost.com/archive/in/entry/the-right-wing-hindu-hypernationalist-politics-of-mani-ratnam-s-films_in_5f382534c5b69fa9e2fc3eef
And here’s an expert analysis of why Mani Ratnam is right wing.
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Madan
November 29, 2022
Heisenberg: Have read that piece before and don’t find it convincing. I think both extreme left and right should understand that there is a big middle in between them. That everyone to the left of you (if rightie) or right of you (if leftie) isn’t ‘left wing’/’right wing’. I am a centrist and most definitely to the right of Rajesh Rajamani but I am not a Sanghi which is no doubt the conclusion he and others of his ilk will derive (aka everyone to the right of RR is ‘sanghi’).
I haven’t yet seen anything from Tamil cinema (other than, at a stretch, random discount Manoj Kumar rants by Captain) that could be remotely described as even soft Sanghi. Perhaps RR and his likes should watch some Hindi cinema/series to know what Sanghi propaganda inserted in films and series would look like.
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Raghu Narayanan
November 29, 2022
Wow!!! I never realized that MR’s films can be interpreted in this way too! Room pottu yosipaangalo? It seems to me that the context was predetermined and the arguments were worded conveniently to suit the context.
For example, regarding passing of the Triple Talaq bill,
“While the Government hailed it as a victory for gender justice, it was heavily critiqued by several civil society members who called it a charade and labelled it as an anti-minority law”.
‘Several CIVIL society members…’? So no one from the ‘Civil’ society praised the bill? And so conversely, all those who praised it do not belong to the ‘Civil’ society? This shows how the writer is smartly sneaking in words and subtly trying to influence the narrative here.
Further, this point is followed by the section on the film Bombay where the writer puts forth the arguments as to how the movie tries to school and secularize Muslims. That you take a movie which happened more than 2 decades ago and connect it to a legislation passed in 2019 and use it in support of your argument to color MR’s political idealogy shows how really weak the argument is. Just because you mention the movie later in your article does not mean it happened later in real life too. Similar example, when the writer uses the character of Michael Vasanth in Ayutha Ezhuthu and connects it to the beginnings of AAP! Maybe he is a time traveller who got confused about the various time periods he finds himself in?
Again, the line where the writer says the movie Roja speaks in favor of the Kashmiri Pandits….did it really? I dont mind getting schooled by anyone in this forum as to how Roja took the position of Kashmiri Pandits. While I did watch the movie when it was first released in theaters and then a few times on TV, this angle never really crossed my dumb brain. Is the writer talking about the scene where Madhu will be praying in a temple with Janakaraj, and breaks a coconut? I remember there is a pandit appearing in that scene. But apart from this, was there any scene or dialogue which took the support of Kashmiri Pandits???
The whole article seems so replete with arguments which don’t seem to stand the simple test of ‘what if?’ or ‘so what?’ questions, that instead of going on and on, I would rather choose to shake my head and leave it at that…
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Heisenberg
November 29, 2022
@Madan – In TN, sanghi or soft sanghi is mostly decided by birth. Body of work doesn’t matter. 😀
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Madan
November 29, 2022
Heisenberg: I get that. And it’s unfortunate that they don’t understand that this simply perpetrates continued caste differences in another way.
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Madan
November 29, 2022
Raghu Narayanan: Well argued…especially the way you have prised out the ‘several’/’many’ canard in his argument. It is usually nothing more than a disguise to obfuscate the lack of a consensus on the question or even that the consensus goes the other way from what the writer is arguing.
In fact, Roja is one of the films held up as Muslim apologia and humanizing/sympathizing with the terrorists too much by the right wing. AFAIK the only films that discussed the plight of KPs before the release of Kashmir Files were Sheen and Shikara.
The RW have similar views about Bombay too (I am certain it would be banned today in the North for promoting love jihad). Poor Mani gets it from both loonie flanks. And as Javed Akhtar put it once, when that happens, you may just be doing something right.
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hari prasad
November 29, 2022
https://kirukkal.com/2022/10/13/mani-ratna-chozan-2/
Thought of sharing this post by longtime blogger and big fan bro of Mani saar , Kirukkal Subbudu that talks about Mani getting bashed by the left and right for his handling of politics in his movies…
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Anand Raghavan
November 29, 2022
MR and Kamal are usually bashed by both RW and LW/Dravidian Stocks…BR termed MR as humanist which movies like Anjali, Kannathil Muthamittal, Bombay clearly show. But TN is being polarized on Aryan/Dravidian narrative by political parties here ..
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Srinivas R
November 29, 2022
@Heisenberg – You have to be ideologically paranoid to call MR a right wing director or label Bombay or Roja as Islamophobic. MR at worst comes across as politically naive because of his movies. That doesn’t take away from his human drama.
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Srinivas R
November 29, 2022
@Heisenberg – Just to be clear the ‘you’ in my previous is not addressed at you specifically but a general one. I read it again and thought there is room for misinterpretation.
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Honest Raj
November 29, 2022
About KB, this particular scene from Kalyana Agathigal is pretty much an indication of his political leanings (atleast upto that point in his career):
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KS
November 29, 2022
@Heisenberg:
In that hilarious article you shared, this line was interesting:
“But unfortunately, the subtle promotion of Hindutva ideals is much more dangerous than outright fascist, casteist or propaganda films. Because while it is easy to see the problem in those films and confront them, the subtler approach goes mostly unnoticed and any criticism made against it can be easily dismissed as over-reaction.”
Because this exactly mirrors what the right wing too says about Bollywood and its push of Urdu 786 stuff. Seems like its always enakku-vandha-ratham-unakku-vandha-thakkali-chutney from both sides. But the bright side is that its good to have competition instead of monopolies. As long as the propaganda (whichever side) is subtle, and the package is of good quality and has artistic merit, no reason to complain. FoE, counter art with art, and whatnot.
ManiRatnam and Kamalahaasan types are comedy pieces when it comes to politics. They can talk atheism, communism, jaadhi ozhippu, whatever, but being in Tamil Nadu, evlo dhaan kuttikarnam potalum they’ll still be dismissed as sneaky brahmins and never trusted.
Also, isn’t that reporter whose tweets you quoted the same nutcase who tweeted about filing an SC/ST atrocities act against a brahmin neighbor over some minor wifi disagreement (but moaning that she was unable to do so since she’s Christian)? I would think a journalist who grandstands about justice and lofty ideals would lose some credibility though such reckless words, but seems like everyone just brazens it out, and noone seems to expect any degree of decency from anyone in public life anymore.
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hari prasad
December 28, 2022
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